Josie and Kaitlin use music as a way to explain the mystery of the trinity.
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- Welcome back to the Superbook show.
- Today, we answer your many requests
for a show about the Trinity.
- With the Trinity?
didn't we already doa show on the Trinity.
- Yeah, but I'm not happy about it.
All the metaphors that we use to explain
the Trinity are flawed.
They either showed themall as separate parts,
Father, Son and Holy spirit.
- Okay.
- Or it showed them all mixed together.
- Right.
- But what we didn'tget was an example where
they were all separateand at the same time one.
- Sure, because that's impossible to show.
- You who have ears tohear, let them hear.
- Oh wait, what are you talking about?
- The show we did on the Trinity was good
and it helped explain a lot,
- But?
- But we only used our eyes for that show.
And I think it's time we used our ears.
- I'm listening.
- Jeremy Begbie.
- Oh, I know that name.
That's that Beetles songthat my dad listens to.
- That's Eleanor Rigby. (chuckles)
Jeremy Begbie is a theologian musician.
- Cool.
- He explains the Trinityusing a piano. Let's go.
(drum rolls)- Wait.
- Begbie makes a pointthat visual metaphors
to explain the Trinity are limited
because the visual is limited.
- What way?
- No two objects can be
in the same physicalspace at the same time.
- Of course they can't.
- Or can they?
- Stop playing with me.
- Close your eyes.
- No no no, last timeyou asked me to do that,
I ended up with banana pudding on my head.
- No pudding, just mind blowing.
Come on.
- Okay.
(piano plays)- Do you hear that note?
- Yeah.
- Where is it?
Can you point to wherethat note is coming from?
- It's everywhere.
- Exactly. The note doesn'tinhabit one spot in space.
Sound is everywhere.
Now how about this one?
(piano plays)
- Yeah, I can hear it.
- Is it different thanthe one I just played?
- Yep.
(piano plays)
Can you still hear that note
and the first note I played?
- Yeah I can hear both notes.
- Both separate yet,inhabiting the same space.
One chord, two notes insideeach other and yet distinct.
- Yeah. It's...
Okay I'm getting it, play a third.
(piano plays)
Three distinct notesexisting in the same space
at the same time, the Trinity.
- Father, Son and Holy spirit.
And not just in the same space
here how they resonate with each other.
(harmonious piano)
- Harmony.
- If you look inside the piano
they're not just in harmony.
When I play a note,(piano plays)
the strings vibrate
and those around it in tunewith the cord vibrate together.
- The Trinity interactingas sounds, as vibrations.
- And the notes around it,
the ones in tune with thechord resonate together.
- Which is a metaphor for us, right?
- Yes. When we are in tune with God,
Jesus and the Holy spirit, we resonate.
- And when we sin,
we are out of tune and therefore,
(piano plays)
do not resonate.
This is really helping meunderstand the Trinity better.
- God gave us many senses,
sight, hearing, taste, touch and smell.
- And we can sense God morecompletely by using all
we are, all he created us to be,
to be in touch with him.
- That's right. Not a perfect metaphor.
God is too mysterious and complex
for any metaphor to ever be complete.
- Still that Begbie guyhas some pretty cool ideas.
- I hear you.
(piano plays)(both chuckles)
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- See you next time.- See you next time.
- All of the metaphors that we used
to explain the... (jabbering)
He talks about the Trinityusing a piano. Let's go.
- [Speaker] Don't run off.(Kaitlin laughs)
- We resonate.
(piano plays)(Kaitlin chuckles)
I'm sorry
- [Speaker] When you talkabout not resonating.
- Right.(Kaitlin laughs)
That Begbie guy hassome pretty cool ideas.
- You're... You got it.(Kaitlin chuckles)
- Now hear this.
Don't hear anything.(Kaitlin chuckles)
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- See you next time.(Kaitlin chuckles)
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