Pastor Caleb Kaltenbach, raised by gay parents, shares how to learn to love others without sacrificing your convictions.
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Andrew: HIS PARENTS
Andrew: HIS PARENTS
DROP A BOMBSHELL.
THEY BOTH CAME OUT OF
THE CLOSET.
Andrew: AND THE
HATERS STARTED HATING.
THESE SIGNS SAID THINGS
LIKE, JESUS HAS NO ROOM
FOR YOU.
I KNEW I NEVER WANTED THE
NAME CHRISTIAN TO BE
ASSOCIATED WITH ME.
Andrew: IT WOULD
CHANGE HIS MIND ABOUT
CHRISTIANITY.
I ENDED UP FOLLOWING
JESUS.
Andrew: ON TODAY'S
"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."
GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME
TO THE SHOW.
THE LGBT HAS REMAINED A
HOT BUTTON WHEN IT COMES
TO THE CHURCH.
SOME SIT BACK IN SILENCE,
NOT KNOWING WHAT TO SAY.
Terry: DR. CALEB HAS
SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE
TOPIC.
AFTER HE PARENTS DIVORCED,
BOTH CAME OUT AS GAY.
WHEN I WAS TWO, MY
PARENTS DIVORCED.
AND THEN THEY BOTH CAME
OUT OF THE CLOSET.
I SPENT MOST WEEKS WITH MY
DAD, AND HE WAS VERY QUIET
ABOUT HIS SEXUALITY.
I SPENT WEEKENDS AND
BREAKS WITH MY MOM, AND
SHE WAS NOT QUIET ABOUT
HER SEXUALITY.
AS A KID, I EVEN MARCHED
IN GAY PRIDE PARADES.
I REMEMBER AT THE END OF
ONE OF THESE PARADES,
THERE WERE SOME CHRISTIANS
THAT WERE HOLDING UP SIGNS
ON STREET CORNERS.
AND THESE SIGNS SAID
THINGS LIKE, JESUS HAS NO
ROOM FOR YOU.
AND THEY WERE SPRAYING
WATER AND URINE ON
EVERYONE.
I REMEMBER LOOKING AT MY
MOM AND BEING CONFUSED AS
A YOUNG KID.
I ASKED HER, MOM, WHY ARE
THEY ACTING LIKE THIS?
AND SHE SAID, CALEB,
THEY'RE CHRISTIANS, AND
CHRISTIANS HATE GAY
PEOPLE.
GROWING UP, I SAW HOW SOME
CHRISTIANS TREATED PEOPLE
IN THE LGBT COMMUNITY.
I WATCHED HAS PEOPLE WHO
HAD AIDS WERE SHUNNED BY
THEIR FAMILIES.
I KNEW I NEVER WANTED THE
NAME "CHRISTIAN," TO BE
ASSOCIATED WITH ME.
Andrew: CALEB HAS A
VERY UNIQUE STORY.
HE IS WITH US NOW.
WELCOME.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
Andrew: GOOD TO HAVE
YOU HERE.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE FOR YOU
TO BE RAISED IN THE LGBT
COMMUNITY?
IT WAS DEFINITELY A
VERY INTERESTING
EXPERIENCE.
IT WAS A VERY FUN
COMMUNITY.
AT LEAST THE PEOPLE THAT
MY MOM SPENT TIME WITH.
AND IT WAS ALSO A VERY
PASSIONATE COMMUNITY.
MY MOM JOINED THE BOARD OF
DIRECTORS FOR GLADD, SHE
AND HER PARTNER.
AS A YOUNG ELEMENTARY-AGED
STUDENT, THEY TOOK ME TO
GAY BARS WITH THEM AND GAY
PARTIES AND PARADES, AND
CAMPOUTS.
I MARCHED IN THESE
PARADES.
AND I REMEMBER PEOPLE
SPRAYING URINE ON PEOPLE
AND HOLDING UP SIGNS.
I REMEMBER WALKING INTO A
HOSPITAL ROOM ONE TIME,
AND WATCHING ONE OF MY
FRIENDS DIE FROM AIDS, WHO
WAS AN OLDER MAN, ONE OF
MY MOM'S FRIENDS, AND
SEEING HIS CHRISTIAN
FAMILY SHUN HIM AND NOT
TALK TO US OR THEM.
AND MY MOTHER DRILLED IN
MY HEAD, HEY, IF YOU'RE A
CHRISTIAN, YOU DON'T LIKE
PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT
FROM YOU.
AND SO FOR ME, I GREW
UP -- I COULDN'T STAND
CHRISTIANS.
Andrew: SO HOW DID
YOU, THIS KID WHO DIDN'T
LIKE CHRISTIANS, BECAUSE
YOU FELT THEY DIDN'T LIKE
THE GAY COMMUNITY -- HOW
DID YOU FIND CHRIST IN
YOUR LIFE?
I GOT INVITED, WHEN I
WAS ABOUT 16 YEARS OLD IN
HIGH SCHOOL, TO THIS BIBE
STUDY.
I THOUGHT I WOULD BE A
NINJA CHRISTIAN.
THAT I WOULD PRETEND TO BE
A CHRISTIAN AND LEARN
ABOUT CHRISTIANITY AND
DISMANTEL THEIR FAITH.
SO I WENT, AND I GRABBED A
BIBLE OFF OF THE SHELF,
AND I WALKED INTO THE
HOUSE, AND I HAD NEVER
BEEN IN A CHRISTIAN HOUSE
BEFORE.
AND I THOUGHT, WHY DO
THESE PEOPLE HAVE PICTURES
OF SHEEP AND LIONS AND
BIBLE VERSES ALL OVER
THEIR HALLWAYS.
I SAID, WHEN I TURN
CHRISTIAN, DO I HAVE TO
GET A SHEEP PICTURE.
I WENT DOWN TO THIS BIBLE
STUDY, AND THEY WERE
READING OUT OF 1
CORINTHIANS, AND I LEARNED
REAL QUICK THERE WAS AN
OLD AND A NEW TESTAMENT.
BUT I LEARNED THAT THE
JESUS OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT
LIKE THE PEOPLE ON THE
STREET CORNERS, ALIENATING
THEIR KIDS.
HE WAS DIFFERENT.
JESUS HAD VERY DEEP
THEOLOGICAL CONVICTIONS,
BUT HE ALSO HAD VERY DEEP
RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE
WHO WERE NOT LIKE HIM,
PEOPLE WHO WERE FAR FROM
GOD.
Andrew: SO YOU BECOME
A CHRIST-FOLLOWERS, AND
THEN YOU NEED TO TELL YOUR
PARENTS.
HOW DID THAT GO?
OVER LIKE A LED
BALLOON.
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW A
SAME-SEX ATTRACTED OR GAY
TEENAGER FEELS WHEN THEY
COME OUT TO THEIR
CHRISTIAN PARENTS, I WAS A
16-YEAR-OLD CHRISTIAN
TEENAGER COMING OUT TO MY
THREE GAY PARENTS.
AND THEY DID OWNED ME.
THE SAME TREATMENT THAT
SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY GET
FROM THEIR CHRISTIAN
PARENTS, I GOT FROM MY
LGBT PARENTS BECAUSE THEY
FEARED THIS EXTREMISM, AND
THEY CAST THAT FEAR RIGHT
BACK ON TO ME.
THAT'S HOW THEY REACTED.
Andrew: YOU BREAK
DOWN A LOT OF THE REASONS
WHY THE GAY COMMUNITY AND
THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY
SEEM TO BUTT HEADS.
FOR SOMEONE WHO IS A
CHRISTIAN AND SOMEONE
COMES OUT TO THEM AND
EXPRESSES, HEY, I'M
HOMOSEXUAL.
HOW SHOULD THAT CHRISTIAN
RESPOND?
NUMBER ONE, DON'T LOOK
DISGUSTED.
EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T AGREE
TO BE IN A SAME-SEX
RELATIONSHIP, THEY STILL
CARE ENOUGH TO TELL US TO
LET US INTO THEIR LIFE.
DON'T LOOK DISAPPOINTED.
DON'T TRY TO GET THEM
COUNSELLING.
THAT IS NOT THE TIME.
AND THAT IS NOT THE TIME
TO THROW OUT BIBLE VERSES.
AND THE LAST THING I WOULD
SAY IS, DON'T COMPARE
SINS.
DON'T COMPARE THEM TO A
MURDERER OR A THIEF.
DON'T SAY THAT'S LIKE ANY
OTHER THIN, BECAUSE IN
YOUR MIND, YOU'RE
COMPARING THEM TO HANABEL
LECTOR.
Andrew: WHEN THEY SAY
YOU NEED TO STOP BEING
GAY, WHAT IS THE
HOMOSEXUAL HEARING IN THAT
STATEMENT.
THE PERSON SEES IT AS
AN IDENTITY.
SO WHAT THEY HEAR THE
CHRISTIANS SAY IS GIVE UP
WHO YOU ARE.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIMES
IN CHRISTIANITY, WE THINK
THAT SOMEBODY IDENTIFIES
AS LGBT BECAUSE OF WHO
THEY WANT TO BE SEXUALLY
INTIMATE WITH.
I REMEMBER MY MOTHER TELL
ME SHE AND HER PARTNER
DIDN'T HAVE SEXUAL
INTIMACY DURING THE LAST
FEW YEARS OF THEIR
RELATIONSHIP.
AND I SAID, THEN YOU
WEREN'T A LESBIAN ANYMORE?
AND SHE SAID, SURE, I AM,
THAT'S WHO I AM.
IT DAWNED ON ME FOR HER IT
WASN'T THE SEXUAL
IDENTITY.
IT WAS ABOUT
RELATIONSHIPS.
SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
WE NEED TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SEXUAL
INTIMACY, BUT THAT'S NOT
WHERE WE START BECAUSE WE
DON'T WANT TO REDUCE
SOMEBODY DOWN TO THEIR
SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
Andrew: SO FOR
CHRISTIANS WHO WANT TO BE
SUPPORTIVE, PERHAPS, OR
LOVING, HOW DO THEY
NAVIGATE THE FACT THAT AT
THE SAME TIME THEY MAY NOT
WANT TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR
THIS LIFESTYLE.
THERE IS A BIG
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL.
WE SHOULD ACCEPT
EVERYBODY, NO MATTER WHAT.
THAT MEANS YOU LOVE THEM
WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THEIR
LIFE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE APPROVE
OF EVERY LIFE CHOICES.
EVERY WEEKEND I SHAKE
HANDS WITH PEOPLE IN MY
CHURCH, AND I'M SURE I
DON'T APPROVE OF THEIR
EVERY LIFE CHOICE, BUT I
LOVE THEM WHERE THEY'RE
AT.
Andrew: TELL US ABOUT
THE INTERESTING THINGS
THAT OCCURRED IN YOUR
PARENTS' LIFE.
MY MOTHER'S PARTNER
DIED AFTER 23 YEARS, AND
SHE DIED WITHOUT CHRIST.
THEY HAD BEEN TOGETHER 22
YEARS, SO MY MOM WENT
THROUGH A DEEP DEPRESSION.
MY FAMILY AND I MOVE TO
DALLAS, TEXAS, AFTER
PASTORING IN CALIFORNIA.
WHEN WE WERE IN DALLAS,
BOTH OF MY PARENTS,
SEPARATED FROM ONE
ANOTHER, MOVED THERE TO BE
CLOSER TO OUR FAMILY.
THEN THEY STARTED
ATTENDING MY CHURCH.
THEY'RE THE CARD CARRYING
MEMBERS OF THE ACLU, AND
MY MOM WAS ON THE BOARD OF
GLADD, AND THEY STARTED
ATTENDING MY CHURCH.
AND TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE
LEFT TO GO TO CALIFORNIA,
BOTH OF THEM SUBMITTED
THEIR LIVES TO CHRIST.
IT IS INCREDIBLE.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW ALL OF
THAT GOES TOGETHER.
IT WAS JUST AN INCREDIBLE
THING TO SEE.
Andrew: AND CALEB,
WHY IS YOUR BOOK CALLED
"MESSY GRACE"?
IT IS NOT BECAUSE GOD'S
GRACE IS MESSY.
IT IS BECAUSE OUR LIVES
ARE MESSY.
THE FIRST TWO LETTERS OF
MESSY ARE "ME."
I THINK GOD LOOKS FOR
OPPORTUNITIES TO BE
GRACIOUS.
Andrew: IT IS A GREAT
BOOK.
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO
GET IT.
BECAUSE CALEB DOESN'T
INSTRUCT OR TELL US HOW TO
RESPOND TO VARIOUS
COMMUNITIES, BUT HE GIVES
US WONDERFUL PERSPECTIVES.
IT IS CALLED "MESSY
GRACE," AND IT IS
AVAILABLE WHEREVER BOOKS
ARE SOLD.
CALEB, THANKS FOR BEING
WITH US.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
Terry: STILL AHEAD,
TRUE CONFESSIONS ABOUT MEN
FROM A LIFE-LONG FEMINIST.
YOU CAN'T LIVE WITH
THEM, AND YOU CAN'T LIVE
WITHOUT THEM.
BUT I COULDN'T SAY THAT.
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WHEN
YOU'RE A FEMINIST.
Terry: FIND OUT WHAT
SHE WAS ABLE TO SAY AND
WHY IT CHANGED HER MIND
FOR GOOD.
THAT'S COMING UP NEXT.
Terry: IF YOU SEE
BRIDGET NOW, YOU WOULD
NEVER BELIEVE SHE HAD A
PAST, AND A RADICAL ONE AT
THAT.
FROM MEN TO WOMEN TO
DRUGS, BRIDGET TRIED THEM
ALL, SEARCHING FOR
SOMETHING, ANYTHING.
FOR YEARS SHE WANTED
ANSWERS, AND SHE FOUND
THEM IN THE LAST PLACE SHE
EXPECTED.
Reporter: THERE
SEEMED TO BE NO ANS FOR
BRIDGET BEDARD.
EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS OF
COUNSELLING, WRITING DOWN
HER THOUGHTS, SHE WAS NO
CLOSER TO FILLING THE
EMPTINESS SHE HAD FELT
SINCE SHE WAS A CHILD.
THE EMPTINESS, LIKE I
DON'T FEEL ANYTHING --
IT'S LIKE WHEN I WAS A
LITTLE CHILD, I DON'T FEEL
NOTHING.
Reporter: SHE GREW UP
IN MONTREAL, CANADA, AND A
HOME WHERE EMOTIONS AND
DISPLAYS OF AFFECTION WERE
KEPT IN CHECK.
AT CHURCH, SHE SAW GOD AS
UNCARING, AND JESUS, A
FAIRY TALE.
EVEN AT THAT TIME, I
KNEW THE LIFE OF JESUS.
I READ BOOKS ABOUT HIS
LIFE.
I LIKED HIM VERY MUCH, BUT
THAT'S IT.
Reporter: AT 11 YEARS
OLD, SHE FOLLOWED THE LEAD
OF HER FRIENDS, DRINKING
AND USING DRUGS.
SHE ESPECIALLY LIKED THAT
IT OPENED UP HER
INHIBITIONS.
I DISCOVERED INTENSITY.
THAT'S WHERE I
EXPERIENCED, FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN MY LIFE, SOMETHING
THAT WAS, LIKE, SO STRONG.
I WAS FEELING ALIVE.
Reporter: BRIDGET
LOOKED FOR A WAY TO DEFINE
HERSELF APART FROM HER
PARENTS AND GOD.
AT COLLEGE, SHE INCREASED
HER DRUG USE AND BEGAN
STUDYING FEMINISM.
IT TOLD HER WHO SHE WAS:
POWERFUL, COMPLETE,
WITHOUT MEN AND THE
CHURCH.
SHE THOUGHT SHE HAD FOUND
HER IDENTITY.
I WAS THE VICTIM.
I WAS A WOMAN.
AND THE MAN, THE HISTORY,
THE CHURCH, THE GOD, WERE
WRONG; I WAS RIGHT.
Reporter: EVENTUALLY
SHE STARTED HAVING LESBIAN
RELATIONSHIPS.
BUT IN ORDER TO BEAR THE
CAUSE OF FEMINISM, SHE HAD
TO SUPPRESS HER NATURAL
NEEDS AND DESIRES TO HAVE
A MAN IN HER LIFE.
THAT'S THE BIG PARADOX:
YOU HATE THEM, BUT YOU
WANT TO BE WITH THEM.
YOU CANNOT LIVE WITH THEM,
AND YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT
THEM.
I WANTED TO MARRY, HAVE
CHILDREN, A HOUSE --
SECRETLY.
SECRETLY, DEEP DOWN,
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.
BUT I COULDN'T SAY THAT.
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WHEN
YOU'RE A FEMINIST.
AFTER EIGHT YEARS, THAT
LIFESTYLE, I WAS VERY
CONFUSED.
Reporter: BRIDGET WAS
IN AND OUT OF THERAPY FOR
YEARS, TRYING TO MAKE
SENSE OF THE CONFUSION IN
HER HEART AND MIND.
SHE GOT OFF DRUGS BUT
JOINED A DRUG SUPPORT
GROUP, HOPING TO FIND
ANSWERS.
AT ONE OF THE SESSIONS, A
MAN IN THE GROUP HANDED
HER A NOTE WITH THE NAME
OF A MONASTERY.
SHE SUGGESTED SHE MIGHT
FIND THE ANSWERS THERE.
ARE YOU CRAZY?
YOU THINK I'M GOING TO GO
TO SEE THE PRIESTS?
I HATE THEM, YOU KNOW.
AND HE SAID, WHAT DO YOU
HAVE TO LOSE?
Reporter: BRIDGET
DECIDED HE WAS RIGHT.
I'M DESPERATE.
THERE IS NOTHING.
THERE IS NO SENSE OF THIS
LIFE.
THERE IS NOTHING.
Reporter: SO SHE MADE
THE TWO-HOUR DRIVE TO THE
MONASTERY, AND THEY GAVE
HER A PLACE NEARBY TO
STAY.
THE NEXT DAY SHE MET WITH
A QUIET, VERY PATIENT
YOUNG PRIEST.
I SCREAMED MY 30 YEARS
OF RESENTMENT, OF
LONELINESS, OF
DESPERATION, ALL OF MY
QUESTIONS.
MY RESENTMENT AGAINST MEN
AND GOD.
Reporter: THE PRIEST
SAID NOTHING.
HE WAS REALLY
COMPASSIONATE WITH ME.
Reporter: THEIR
SECOND MEETING WAS MORE OF
THE SAME, HER RAILING
AGAINST THE CHURCH AND
GOD, AND HIM QUIETLY
LISTENING.
THEN ON THE THIRD DAY,
BRIDGET CAME TO THE
MEETING EMOTIONALLY
DRAINED, WITH NOTHING LEFT
TO SAY.
IT WAS THEN THAT THE
PRIEST SPOKE AND TOLD HER
THE TRUE STORY OF JESUS
AND HIS SACRIFICE FOR HER.
I LOOKED AT HIM AND I
SAID, WHAT?
IT'S TRUE?
I MEAN -- OKAY, LISTEN --
IT'S TRUE?
JESUS IS GOD?
IT'S TRUE?
IT'S NOT A STORY?
MY GOD, HE IS ALIVE AND
GOD IS JESUS.
IT WAS A REVELATION.
I REALIZED THAT I WASN'T
LESBIAN OR AN INTELLECTUAL
OR A FEMINIST OR ANYTHING.
I WASN'T ANYTHING.
ALL I WAS WAS THE DAUGHTER
OF GOD, AND HE LOVES ME.
HE LOVES ME SO MUCH HE
DIED FOR ME.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY
LIFE I FELT LOVED.
Reporter: THAT DAY
BRIDGET FOUND HER LIFE IN
JESUS CHRIST.
SHE NOW KNEW WHO SHE WAS.
FOUR YEARS LATER, SHE
MARRIED HUGH, AND TOGETHER
THEY'RE RAISING A FAMILY.
EACH DAY I THANK HIM.
I THANK HIM.
HE SAVED ME.
BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO
DIE.
THERE WASN'T ANY ANSWERS
FOR ME.
SO, YEAH, EVERY DAY IS,
LIKE, WOW, WHAT A LIFE.
Terry: I THINK THAT'S
THE WAY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO
LIVE IT, SAYING, WOW, GOD,
WHAT A LIFE.
AND UNTIL WE COME TO THE
PLACE WHERE WE UNDERSTAND
WHAT BRIDGET CAME TO
UNDERSTAND, HE LOVED US
ENOUGH TO DIE FOR US
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO
BE WITHOUT US.
GOD'S LOVE FOR YOU IS SO
UNCONDITIONAL.
YOU KNOW THE WORLD TRIES
TO LAB US AND EVENTUALLY
WE LABEL OURSELVES.
BUT I LOVE WHAT SHE SAID
WHEN SHE SAID, I'M NOT A
FEMINIST.
I'M NOT AN INTELLECTUAL.
I'M NOT ANY OF THESE
THINGS THAT I CHOSE TO
LABEL MYSELF BY.
I AM A DAUGHTER OF GOD.
THAT'S WHAT THE WORD SAYS.
YOU AND I ARE INVITED TO
BE CHILDREN OF GOD.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET AN
INVITATION TO SOMETHING,
PART OF THAT PROCESS IS
SAYING YES.
I ACCEPT THE INVITATION.
I WANT WHAT YOU'RE
INVITING ME TO.
GOD SEES US IN OUR
LONELINESS, IN OUR SEARCH
FOR MEANING, OR SEARCH FOR
SIGNIFICANCE, OUR SEARCH
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS
ALL ABOUT.
THE WORLD'S VOICE IS SO
LOUD, SO LOUD, WANTING TO
DROWN OUT THE WAY GOD
SPEAKS TO US.
THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS: HE'S
A STILL, SMALL VOICE AND
THE QUIET OF OUR HEARTS,
SPEAKING TRUTH.
AND IF YOU'LL COME AWAY
FROM THE LOUDNESS OF THE
WORLD, IF YOU'LL COME AWAY
FROM THE OPINIONATION OF
YOURSELF, AND JUST STRIP
DOWN TO, GOD, I'M HERE IN
FRONT OF YOU.
WHO ARE YOU?
WHO AM I?
AND WHAT AM I TO BE TO
YOU, AND WHAT ARE YOU TO
BE TO ME?
YOU SEE, IT'S NOT
COMPLICATED.
WE MAKE IT COMPLICATED.
BECAUSE AS WAS MENTIONED
IN THE INTERVIEW A FEW
MINUTES AGO, OUR LIVES ARE
MESSY.
THEY'RE JUST REALLY MESSY.
BUT GOD, IN HIS AMAZING
LOVE AND GRACE AND
PATIENCE, WAITS.
HE WAITS FOR US TO COME TO
THE END OF OURSELVES SO
THAT WE CAN HEAR THAT
STILL, SMALL VOICE THAT
SAYS, COME UNTO ME, ALL
YOU WHO ARE WEARY AND
HEAVY LADEN; I WILL GIVE
YOU REST.
JESUS SAID, I CAME TO SET
THE CAPTIVE FREE.
TRUTH CANNOT BE RELATIVE.
TRUTH IS TRUTH.
HE SAID, "I AM THE WAY AND
THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE."
I DIDN'T COME TO TALK TO
YOU ABOUT IT.
I'M IT.
WILL YOU RECEIVE ME?
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION TO
YOU TODAY: IN THE MIDST OF
YOUR MESSINESS, IN THE
MIDST OF ALL OF THE THINGS
THAT THE WORLD HAS TOLD
YOU YOU ARE, OR MAYBE YOU
HAVE LABELLED YOURSELF AS,
WILL YOU COME TO HIM?
LIKE A BABY, WITHOUT ANY
OF THE BAGGAGE, UNCLOTHED
BY ALL THAT HAS BEEN LAID
UPON YOU, AND JUST SAY, I
AM A SINNER AND I NEED A
SAVIOR.
AND, JESUS, THANK YOU FOR
LOVING ME ENOUGH TO DIE
FOR ME.
YOU SEE, THE AMAZING PART
ABOUT THAT TRUTH IS THAT
HE DID THAT FOR YOU AND
FOR ME.
WHILE WE WERE STILL MESSED
UP.
WHILE WE WERE STILL MESSY.
AND HE SAYS, COME, LET ME
CLEAN YOU UP.
LET ME PUT A RING ON YOUR
FINGER AND CLEAN GARMENTS
ON YOU, AND A CROWN UPON
YOUR HEAD BECAUSE YOU ARE
A CHILD OF THE KING OF
KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
LET ME TELL YOU WHO YOU
ARE BECAUSE I SAW YOU
BEFORE YOU WERE EVER
FORMED IN YOUR MOTHER'S
WOMB AND I HAD PURPOSE FOR
YOU.
DON'T MISS OUT ON FINDING
WHAT THAT PURPOSE IS.
DON'T LET THE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF YOUR LIFE
DEFINE YOU.
GET AHOLD OF TRUTH.
AND THE TRUTH IS JESUS
CHRIST.
IF YOU'D LIKE SOMEONE TO
PRAY WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR
SPIRITUAL NEED TODAY, GO
TO YOUR PHONE.
THERE IS OUR NUMBER.
IT IS TOLL-FREE.
THE PERSON WHO IS
ANSWERING THE PHONE ON THE
OTHER END IS SOMEONE WHO
HAS ALREADY PRAYED THAT
PRAYER WE JUST PRAYED
TOGETHER.
JUST SAY, I PRAYED THAT
PRAY AND I WANT TO KNOW
HOW DO I GROW IN MY FAITH?
IT IS A JOURNEY STARTED
TODAY.
GOD LOVES YOU.
AND NOTHING, NOTHING,
NOTHING CAN SEPARATE YOU
FROM HIS LOVE, UNLESS YOU
CHOOSE NOT TO RECEIVE IT.
ANDREW?
Andrew: THANK YOU,
TERRY.
COMING UP, A YOUNG BOY
CARES FOR AN ELDERLY WOMAN
AFTER SHE INJURED HERSELF
GETTING WATER.
YOU'LL SEE WHY THIS DUO
DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT
Andrew: WHEN YOU
BECOME A CBN PARTNER,
YOU'RE HELPING PEOPLE ALL
OVER THE WORLD.
LIKE THIS LONELY BOY AND
ELDERLY WIDOW IN CHINA.
THE TWO OF THEM HAVE A
STRONG FAMILY BOND, EVEN
THOUGH THEY'RE NOT RELATED
AT ALL.
Terry: WHEN MAMA
JIKES HUSBAND DIED, SHE
FELT LIKE GIVING UP.
INSTEAD, SHE REACHED OUT
TO OTHERS, LIKE YOUNG AMU.
MOST OF THE TIME HIS
PARENTS WORK OUT OF TIME.
MOST OF THE TIME I WAS
ALONE.
BUT MAMA TOOK CARE OF ME.
MAMA HAS SUCH A GOOD
HEART.
HAVING AMU HAS GIVEN ME
MEANING AND PURPOSE IN MY
OLDER YEARS.
Terry: EVERY DAY,
MAMA JIKES WALKED THREE
MILES ALONG A DANGEROUS
ROAD, WHERE SHE FETCHED TO
BUCKETS OF WATER TO LIVE
ON.
IT WASN'T EVEN CLEAN.
BUT IT WAS THE ONLY AND
BEST WATER SOURCE WE HAD.
Terry: ONE DAY MAMA
JIKES TRIED TO FETCH MORE
WATER THAN NORMAL.
THE GROUND WAS SLICK FROM
SUMMER RAINS, AND SHE
SLIPPED.
I COULD BARELY BREATHE,
AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING
TO DIE.
Terry: AMU FOUND HER
ON THE GROUND.
I TRIED TO GET HER TO
STAND UP, BUT SHE COULD
NOT MOVE.
SO I RAN BACK TO THE
VILLAGE FOR HELP.
I STARTED CRYING, AND A
HORRIBLE THOUGHT CROSSED
MY MIND: I MIGHT LOSE HER
FOREVER.
Terry: MAMA JIKES
SPRAINED HER BACK AND WAS
IN BED FOR TWO MONTHS.
DURING THAT TIME, AMU TOOK
CARE OF HER AND FETCHED
WATER.
SOMETIMES I WAS SO
TIRED I WANTED TO QUIT,
BUT THEN I REMEMBERED HOW
MUCH MAMA HAD HELPED ME.
IT WAS MY CHANCE TO REPAY
HER LOVE WITH MY LOVE AND
BE SELFLESS, LIKE SHE WAS.
Terry: BUT THE WATER
HE BROUGHT BACK WAS STILL
FILTHY.
WHEN CBN HEARD ABOUT THIS
SITUATION, WE QUICKLY SET
UP A CLEAN WATER SYSTEM
FOR MAMA JIKES' VILLAGE.
WE BUILT A CISTERN THAT
LAID PIPES STRAIGHT TO
EVERYONE'S HOMES.
TODAY THERE IS FRESH WATER
RIGHT AT MAMA JIKES'
FINGERTIPS.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS
TURN THE TAP AND WE CAN
DRINK THE WATER RIGHT
AWAY.
IT IS SO CLEAN AND THERE
IS SO MUCH OF IT.
NOW MAMA WILL NEVER
FALL DOWN GETTING WATER
AGAIN.
WE CAN SPEND MORE TIME
TOGETHER, AND IT IS CBN
WHO MADE THIS ALL HAPPEN.
YOU CARED FOR ME AND
GAVE ME HOPE.
I NEVER THOUGHT THERE WERE
PEOPLE AS KIND AS YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SELFLESS LOVE.
Andrew: DO YOU EVER
THINK HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE
THAT WHEN WE'RE THIRSTY,
WHEN OUR CHILDREN ARE
THIRSTY, WE CAN JUST WALK
OVER TO THE TAP AND GET A
DRINK.
AND HERE IS THIS PRECIOUS
WIDOW AND LONELY BOY WHO
ARE TAKING CARE OF EACH
OTHER, NO HELP IN THE
WORLD, UNTIL PEOPLE LIKE
YOU STEPPED IN AND MADE A
DIFFERENCE.
WHAT A WONDERFUL WAY TO
SHOW THE COMPASSION AND
LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST.
IT IS OUR PRIVILEGE TO
CARRY OUT HUMANITARIAN
RELIEF WORK LIKE THAT.
IF YOU'VE PARTNERED WITH
CBN IN THE PAST, OR YOU DO
IT NOW, WE WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU.
TERRY AND I ARE SO
PRIVILEGED TO SEE THOSE
STORIES, HOW CBN PARTNERS
ARE MAKING SUCH A
TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE
AROUND THE WORLD.
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WE HOPE THIS PROGRAM TODAY
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PERSPECTIVE OF THE LOVE OF
JESUS CHRIST AND HOW WE
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WHO NEED IT AND THOSE WHO