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The Global Lane - EP441 - April 15, 2021

Best of: Ireland forgets religious roots, these Christians bringing it back; The hidden Nazi & the untold story of America’s deal with devil; From queer to Christ. A former gay’s journey into light;” Death to America” death for elderly ... Read Transcript


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- Today, some of our bestsegments from "The Global Lane."

Ireland was once a nation

where almost everyone went to church.

Now, in parts of thecountry, almost no one does.

So what happened?

Dale Hurd reports from Dublinon Ireland's Christian legacy

and why it isn't over yet.

- If there's a symbol of whathappened to faith in Ireland,

it might be this, TheChurch of the Annunciation

just outside of Dublin.

It's one of the largestchurch buildings in Ireland

and it's about to be knocked down

because so few people attend services.

Anyone in Ireland over 50can still remember a nation

where almost everyone went to church,

but today live in a nationwhere, in some areas,

almost no one goes to church.

The Christian faith thathas dominated Ireland

for centuries died with surprising speed.

And as one leader putit, today, for the Irish,

God has become irrelevant.

They not only walked away from the church,

they legalized same-sexmarriage, abortion,

and elected an openly gay prime minister.

Nick Park heads Ireland'sEvangelical Alliance.

- It was very much a cultural religion.

They were Catholicbecause they were Irish,

and the two were seen as synonymous.

- We were very arrogant as a church.

- [Dale] Paddy Monaghan helps

lead the Evangelical Catholic Initiative.

- Sadly, it's taken the two referendums

that we fought that lost,one on same-sex marriage,

one on abortion, to bringhome to the Catholic church

in Ireland that they'renow a minority church.

- [Dale] Church buildings abandoned,

some Catholic seminaries almost empty.

One clergyman wrote that the battle

for faith in Ireland has been lost.

But a new church is rising.

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This is the largest church in Ireland

and it is Romanian Pentecostal.

The worshipers at Betania,or Bethany, Church came

to Ireland to find work but now realize

they were sent to Ireland as missionaries.

Betania Church is exploding.

It's building a new five

and a half milliondollar facility on faith.

One that will accommodate 1500 worshipers.

I met two of its pastorsat the construction site.

- We are praying for this country.

We are fasting for this country.

And I think God has a planwith us to be a blessing

for this country and themore people to know God

and to be saved in this country'cause God loves Ireland.

- We realize God has a greater plan,

a bigger purpose for ourlives to deliver His message

and His kingdom works for this country.

- [Dale] In fact, thesecond largest church

in Ireland is also Romanian Pentecostal.

Betania Pastor Jurjearemembers when nations

like Ireland sent Biblesto communist Romania.

- And those Bibles are coming back now.

- [Dale] African churchesare also growing.

The Nigerian Redeemed ChristianChurch of God has grown

to more than 100 churches in Ireland

with several thousand members.

And even though most

Irish have rejected theinstitutional church,

polls show many still believethe core of the gospel.

- Among Irish youth, I thinkit's something like 70%

of them said they really believeJesus rose from the dead.

They really believed in heaven and hell.

They really believed

that Jesus was the incarnate Son of God.

So you've still got these very high rates

of belief in the facts of the gospel.

- When we were choked byreligion and institutionalism,

there wasn't much life.

But now that we have thoseinstitutions crumbling,

I think that we're inthe land of opportunity.

- Monaghan says the spirit is moving

in some Catholic churches as well.

- There's a spiritual awakeninghappening in this country.

And some parish priests arereally becoming born again,

filled with the Holy Spirit,

and getting a vision for what's possible.

There's that spiritualheritage within this nation

that I believe the enemySatan wants to destroy

but I believe it's going to happen again.

- [Dale] Ireland, once a mission field

then a base for missions hasbecome a mission field again.

- Dale Hurd joins usnow via Skype with more.

Dale, how did Irelandleave the faith so quickly?

- Well, they did studiesback when Ireland was very

religious and it showed thatthe faith wasn't very deep.

The Irish are aboutrelationship and community.

And I think the Catholicchurch was a part of that.

And then when these scandalsjust rocked the nation,

terrible scandals involving children,

that there was nothingto hold the Irish there.

They were through.

- Many debate whether Europeis really post-Christian

because we're seeing greatmoves of God in many places.

Is it post-Christian?

- Oh, get a room of aChristian leaders from Europe

together and that'll start a fight.

There are great thingsare happening, as you say,

but the culture has been lost.

We're talking about nationsthat were completely Christian,

more or less, and now in many cases,

almost no one goes to church.

And so, while God is moving,they've lost the culture.

We have instances in nations like Britain

that are officially Christianpersecuting Christians.

And it's the only group thatthey pick on are Christians.

And they're a Christian nation.

And we have this all across Europe.

This story of the Finnishmember of Parliament

who faces prison forsimply tweeting verses

from Romans condemning homosexuality.

- And do you think thiswas going to worse, Dale?

What's the future ofChristianity in Europe?

- I think persecution will get worse.

There's nothing to keep Europefrom persecuting Christians

because it's unmoored fromtraditional standards of law.

It's whatever makes itfeel better, it does.

And right now it seesChristianity as oppressive.

But I believe in the Great Commission.

I believe in the irrevocable calls of God

on Europe and on many of these nations

and Europeans are empty spiritually.

And so there's the turf there

for a major mass revivaland many are praying for it.

- And what really stoodout to me in your piece,

many things, but the factthat Bibles were sent

from Ireland to Romaniaduring the Cold War

and now those Bibles are coming back.

Not just the Bibles, but the missionaries.

- It's called the great reflex.

And this was the prayerof early missionaries

like William Carey and David Livingstone

that the people of Africa and Asia from

these mission fields would one day

carry the gospel back to Europe.

- Well, it seems like now'sthe time and now's the day.

Dale, another excellent report.

Thank you for joining us today.

- Thank you, Gary.

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- VE Day.

75 years have now passed sincethe surrender of Nazi Germany

and the end of the secondworld war in Europe.

Adolf Hitler murdered 6 million Jews

and the war just in Europealone claimed 20 million lives.

That was double the number

of European deaths from World War I.

Here with us to provide someinsights is Mr. Dean Reuter.

He's a fellow at theNational Security Institute

at George Mason University'sAntonin Scalia Law School,

also general counsel ofthe Federalist Society

for Law and Public Policy, and co-author

of the book "The Hidden Nazi:

The Untold Story of America'sDeal with the Devil."

Dean, thank you for being with us.

We'll talk about yourbook in a few minutes.

But 75 years have now passed since VE Day.

So what lasting lessons have we learned

from that devastating conflict?

- For me, the biggest lessonis that the Americans along

with the Western alliescan accomplish anything,

which seems like a poignantand relevant message

in today's era where we're battling

yet another worldwideenemy, the coronavirus,

this one not manmade,we think at this point.

But there are lots ofsimilarities and contrasts.

But I would say the big lesson is that

good triumphs over evil.

- And not many World War IIveterans are still with us now.

So why is it importantfor us to honor them,

those who fought, those who died,

and what do you want youngpeople to know about it?

- Well, I do think there's some truth

in the notion that history repeats itself,

especially if we don't learn from it.

And it's appalling.

We recently had the 75th anniversary

of the liberation of Auschwitz.

It's appalling how people 40 years

or younger don't know whatthe Holocaust was by and large

and they certainly don'tknow what Auschwitz is.

And that's tragic for the loss itself,

but also for the for the notion

that bad could arise again,evil could arise again.

And we need to be perfectly informed

about what man is capableof doing to fellow man,

not just on a one-on-one basis,

but on an institutionalgovernment wide basis.

- And I know a lot of youngpeople aren't even aware

of who fought againstwhom in World War II.

Germany and Japan, when was that?

But anyway, your bookabout the hidden Nazi,

General Hans Kammler, who was he?

Why did the United Statesprotect him after the war?

- That's a great questionwhy they protected him.

He was the most powerful Nazi,

as we say in the book,that you've never heard of.

He was integral to the Holocaust

meaning the Holocaust couldnot have happened without him.

He was an architect and an engineer.

He helped identify Auschwitzas the main killing camp,

identified other sites for camps,

then built them out,designed the gas chambers,

installed the gas chambers and the ovens,

literally made the Holocaust possible.

From there though, he went on to rule all

of Germany's secret weapons.

And as we knew, Germanywas going to lose the war.

In the final year we wantedthose secret weapons.

The Western allies did, the Americans did,

including the vengeanceweapons, the V1 and V2 rockets.

And indeed we got the rocket team

that made the supersonic V2 rocket,

helped put us on the moon,

helped us win the Cold War with the ICBM.

But everybody assumeswe just sort of stumbled

upon the rocket team through good fortune,

found them in Germany.

But as we prove in "The Hidden Nazi,"

Hans Kammler is the generalwho delivered the rocket team

to the United States andchanged the course of history.

- And of course, manypeople are horrified by that

to think that the United Statesprotected such an evil man.

So is there a dilemma here?

Do we always have to make these choices

between the lesser of two evils, maybe?

- Well, Gary, there's certainly a dilemma.

We talk about it at length in the book.

The conclusion I can only come to is that

it's hard for me to secondguess the decisions made

on the ground as the war was winding down.

Everybody knew what theNazis had been up to.

Maybe not the extent of it,

but they knew they were evil incarnate.

Yet everyone knew thatthe Soviet Union was going

to be the next threat, agodless existential threat

to the United States.

Their way of life was incompatible

with that of the United States.

So we began to recruitNazis as intelligence assets

but also as technicians and experts,

not just to get them for ourselves,

but to keep them out ofthe hands of the Soviets.

So there's absolutelya moral question there.

The answers don't come easy.

But we pose a lot of those questions

in the book "The Hidden Nazi."

- And of course, followingvictory in Europe,

we saw the rise of theCold War as you mentioned,

and finally in 1989, thefall of the Berlin Wall,

and the Soviet Union, eventually the fall

of communism in Eastern Europe.

So right now, like the United States,

we know that Europe isbattling this unseen enemy,

COVID-19 that you mentioned.

But how likely are we to seeanother great war in Europe?

What do you think willhappen in the years ahead?

- Boy, I hope not.

The leap from World War I to World War II

in terms of munitions andkilling capacity was enormous.

And the technology, the killing capacity

from World War II to thepresent is a greater leap still.

So our ability to inflict harmand devastation on another,

not just on soldiers, butalso on civilian populations,

it has just been dramatically increased.

And so that means thestakes are enormously high.

So I don't think it'slikely, but having said that,

World War I was thought to be the last

great war of world history.

And a mere 20 years later,they're all at it again.

- And we still have manyenemies out there, don't we?

- We do, there are alot of governments that,

I mean, America, God bless America,

it's a freedom-lovingliberty-loving country.

There are a lot of dictators left,

a lot of tyrannical governments,

a lot of fascist socialistbased governments

and they're not compatiblewith our way of life.

- Not to mention some Islamic ones

that chant death to America.

Dean Reuter of the Federalist Society

and George Mason University,

and author of the book "The Hidden Nazi:

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Thank you for that and thankyou for your insights today.

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- American popular cultureis steadily being inundated

with pro LGBTQ messages.

AOC, the New York congresswoman,

pledged allegiance to the drag

on "RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars" show.

- I'm Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

and I pledge allegiance to the drag.

- Here to set us straighton cultural influences

from the LGBTQ communityis George Carneal.

Raised by a Southern Baptist minister,

Mr. Carneal spent 25 years immersed

in the homosexual lifestyle.

He is author of the new book

"From Queer to Christ: MyJourney Into the Light."

So George, tell us why is this onslaught

from the LGBTQ community occurring

in our culture at this time?

It seems they've gone from fighting

for societal tolerance toindoctrination demanding

that our culture embracea minority lifestyle.

- I think it's going tocontinue to get worse.

I knew when they opened the floodgates,

it's never going to beenough really until we look

at the bigger picture of whatthe agenda is really about.

And that is silencing Christians

and all opposition tothis agenda and anything

that is pro-family, pro-Christian,pro-life, pro-America.

It's just an agendathat's going to keep going

until they can silence everyone.

- Explain to us then how is it that you,

raised by a SouthernBaptist minister father,

came to embrace a gay lifestyle?

- I really struggled witha lot of the bullying.

When I was a kid, there was a disconnect

with my male peers andbecause of the demands

of my father's ministryand he wasn't around a lot.

I think there was something in me

that was missing maleaffection and male bonding.

And I went through a lot of bullying

so when I first steppedinto a gay bar at 18,

it was the first timethat men were looking

at me differently andtreating me differently.

I wasn't getting the negative attention

but it was a positive attention.

And it really became addicting because

for someone who really didn't have that

for 18 years of their life,

I just quickly becameaddicted to that life

and it just descended within three years.

By that point, I wasalready battling drugs

and alcohol, depression.

I had a sex addiction.

I was a prostitute andI attempted suicide,

and it would still be 22 more years

before God would finallyget me out of that life.

- There's a growing effortin states around the nation

right now to adopt legislationprohibiting counseling

that attempts to bring gays and lesbians

out of the homosexual lifestyle.

Your thoughts on that?

Should we have lawsbanning conversion therapy?

- Absolutely not.

The way they tell it, they act as if

every counselor out there is doing harm

to an LGBT individual.

And it's not the case.

I've worked with both secularand Christian counselors

and everyone has beenrespectful of my journey,

what I've been struggling with,

even my faith, I havenot had anyone harm me.

And I've been through lots

of therapy with lots of therapists.

What they need to understandis there are LGBT individuals

who do not want these feelingsand they want help getting

that healing and wholeness that they want

so they can have a family and children,

that is their desire.

And they have every right to seek out

whatever kind of counseling they need

to get that healing and wholeness.

The LGBT activists and even government,

the government does not have the right

to step in and mandate and dictate

that we have to be saddledwith these feelings.

- And I'm sure just likeyou, many gays, George,

you at one time viewedChristians as intolerant enemies.

So how should churches andChristians respond then

to gay members in their congregations?

- For me, I really hated Christians.

I had such a negative view of them

and I had really been hurt by them

because a lot of them give the narrative

that God created AIDS to kill the fags,

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

to get rid of the homosexuals.

You hear all of the perverted stuff.

And then they'll say allfags are going to hell.

And this really stole anyhope that I had in my own life

of trying to think or believethat God was really an ally.

And it was really God slowly immersing me

back into the church, but with Christians

who truly had the heart of Christ

that allowed me a safeplace to go and just sit

with them and I wasn't harassedor bullied or mistreated.

But it was sitting under the power

of the conviction of the Holy Spirit,

of pastors who had the guts to

speak the truth of God's Word.

And I knew that by theChristians in my own life

who were loving andwho invested time in me

and poured love into me

that really gave me alot of food for thought.

And God started to expose thelies of the LGBT activists,

including the liberal theologians

who pushed the gay is okay narrative.

And after I had to work through the lies

and God deprogrammed me of those lies

and gave me the healing that I needed,

it gave me the strengthto walk out of that life.

- The Episcopal church just ordained

its first lesbian Bishop Bonnie Perry.

Should people who are openly homosexual be

in leadership positions in churches?

- Absolutely not.

And that goes for heterosexuals

who are sleeping outside of marriage

or they're living withsomeone and they're unmarried.

No, there's a way that we'resupposed to live our lives

that God calls us to do in His Word.

And unless we are meeting those standards,

not that anyone's perfect,

but we should really be doing our best

to live a godly life becausewe are an influence on others.

And not only that we are representing God.

So no, they should not be allowed.

- And finally, George, howshould Christians then respond

to these LGBTQ influencesthat we're now seeing

in movies, films, politics, culture?

What's your advice?

- My advice is, is I knowHollywood is glamorizing it

and they are giving asanitized version of what is.

But until you sit down andlisten to the testimonies

of every gay, lesbian,and transgender individual

who has come out ofthat life and you listen

to the horror stories ofwhat we've been through

and the reality of that lifewhich I share in my book,

it's not X-rated but I don't sugarcoat it.

But the life is so different from what

Hollywood and what the media portray.

And so when a Christian affirms this,

they think that they'redoing the most loving thing,

but you're not.

You're not only hurting that individual,

and you're pushing theminto a life of where

they're not going to findany peace, happiness,

or contentment, but you are pushing them

into further rebellion against God.

And I've seen the casualties of that life.

And I'm warning Christiansto stop affirming this.

Tell them the truth in love.

And just so you'll know,in the back of my book

I put all of the talkingpoints that the LGBT activists

and the Christian liberal theologian Jews

and I debunked that with Scripture.

So if you have individuals in your life

who are not willing to listen to this,

give them the book or at least get it

and familiarize yourselfwith those talking points

so when they do come at you and say,

"No, no, no, no, it's okay,"you can give them Scripture

because they are not going to sit down

and study God's Word to getthe truth for themselves.

- Okay, the book is "From Queer to Christ:

My Journey Into the Light."

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- A cult of death anddestruction is rising

from the far reaches of theworld to right here in the USA.

- [Rioters] Death toAmerica, death to America.

- Death to America, death topolice, death to the unborn.

Disregard for human lifemetastasizes like cancer.

- There are more abortionson black children

than black children being born alive.

- Let's keep in mind that

we've lost 60 millionAmericans to abortion.

We're in a spiritual battle here.

- It begins with children in the womb.

Then spreads to children outside the womb.

Children are traded like property,

enslaved, and/or sexually abused.

You see, if you don't protect the unborn

and value the sanctity of life,

then all lives are no longer relevant.

Life is cheapened.

It's an attitude of no lives matter

and eventually evolves into disregard

for the lives of the elderly.

How many of them needlesslyperished from COVID-19

in New York and New Jerseynursing homes and elsewhere?

Celebrating life, honoring God,

and treating all livesas sacred is the key

to creating a morevirtuous and just America.

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