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Faith Nation: February 9, 2021

Did President Trump commit an impeachable offence for his role in the Capitol Hill riots? That's what senators will have to decide as the second impeachment trial of the former president kicks off. And protecting those facing religious ... Read Transcript


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- [John] Tonight...

- The first trial for any public official

that has been impeached twice.

- [John] Did President Trumpcommit an impeachable offense,

playing a role in thedeadly Capitol Hill riot?

That's what Senators are deciding,

as the second impeachment trial

of the former President is underway.

And...(whooshing)

Protecting victims ofreligious persecution.

How the Biden Administrationcould use refugee resettlement

to provide safety to thosesuffering around the world.

All this and more,tonight on Faith Nation.

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- Let us pray.

Eternal God,

author of liberty.

Take control of this impeachment trial.

- With that prayer beginsthe second impeachment trial

of former President Donald Trump.

Hi, everyone.Thank you for joining us.

I'm Jenna Browder.

- Good evening, I'm John Jessup.

For the first time in American history,

a second Senate trial for the same

impeached political figure.

This time, former PresidentTrump facing the charge

of inciting an insurrection for his role

in the deadly January6th Capitol Hill riot.

- With Trump no longer in office,

many Republicans sayhe can't be impeached.

Today House manager'skicked off the trial though,

by laying out why he can.

CBN News Capitol HillCorrespondent, Abigail Robertson,

joins us with tonight's top story.

Abigail, how did the House Managers

make their case for constitutionality?

- Well, the House Managersstarted the trial today

by showing a dramatic videoof the events of January 6th.

And they juxtaposed this videowith President Trump's speech

ahead of the riot rightoutside the White House.

And they used videos that

many of the rioters themselves took.

It showed them walking up to the Capitol.

It showed them goingthrough Capitol barricades,

beating up policeofficers, storming through

some of these barricades andgetting inside the Capitol.

It showed them inside members' offices,

and it even showed thegraphic and tragic moment

that one protester was shot and killed.

And this is sort of goingto be the House Managers'

strategy of playing to theSenate jurors' emotions,

having them relive January 6th,

which they were most allinside the Capitol for.

And the House Managers, theycame out of the video and said,

"If this is not an impeachableoffense, then what is?"

And then made their casefor why they believe it

is constitutional toproceed with impeachment,

even though President Trumpis no longer in office.

Take a look.

- President Trump may notknow a lot about the framers,

but they certainly knew a lot about him.

Given the framers' intensefocus on danger to elections

and the peaceful transfer of power,

it is inconceivable thatthey designed impeachment

to be a dead letter in thePresident's final days in office.

When opportunities to interferewith the peaceful transfer

of power would be mosttempting and most dangerous,

as we just saw.

And lead House ImpeachmentManager, Jamie Raskin,

also made the point todaythat if the Senate votes

it's unconstitutional tohold an impeachment trial

for a president thathas already left office

but been impeached by theHouse, then what is to stop

future presidents fromdoing whatever they please

in their final month of office?

- Abby, switching gears hereto the President's team,

can you talk about hisattorneys' defense strategy?

- Well, the President'slead defense attorney,

Bruce Castor, made thecase that this is an attack

on the Constitution.

He presented an argument that this trial,

since Trump is no longerin the White House,

is unconstitutional in itself.

And then he also said thatusing President Trump's words

from that speech against him is

a violation of the First Amendment.

Take a look.

- This trial is not about

trading liberty for security.

It's about suggesting

that it is a good idea thatwe give up those liberties

that we have so long fought for.

This trial is about trading liberty

for the security from the mob?

Honestly, no!

It can't be!

We can't be thinking about that.

We can't possibly be suggestingthat we punish people

for political speech in this country.

- He also made the pointthat this is the second time

in 13 months that many ofthese Senators are serving

as jurors in an impeachmenttrial and that impeachment

should be a rare occurrence in our country

and not become a normal thing.

- Abby, a quick follow-up here.

This is a different set ofHouse Impeachment Managers,

different defense attorneys.

What else are some of the key differences

in this Senate trial?

Well, the Supreme CourtChief Justice, John Roberts,

is not presiding overthis impeachment trial

as he did the last one.

It is being presided by theSenate President pro tempore,

Patrick Leahy.

Another big difference is Senate Democrats

are now in the majority.

So they're kind of inthe driver's seat here,

and Republicans are now in the minority.

And so the Senate Democrats have control

of the Senate right now andthey can kind of determine

sort of what happens moving forward.

- All right, Capitol HillCorrespondent, Abigail Robertson.

Thank you, Abby.

- Well, a majority of Americansbelieve President Trump

should be convicted at theclose of the impeachment trial.

A new Politico/MorningConsult Poll finds 54%

of registered voters, eithersomewhat or strongly agree

he should be found guiltyof inciting an insurrection,

and 58% say the formerPresident should be banned

from running for publicoffice in the future.

By party breakdown, 23% ofRepublicans say President Trump

should not be allowedto run for office again.

Only 19% say he should be convicted.

- And joining us now,David Brody, CBN News

Chief Political Analystand Political Reporter

with "The Hill", Julia Manchester.

Both of you, good to have you

on this historic day in Washington.

Julia, to you first.

The House ImpeachmentManagers, they started off

by arguing for theconstitutionality of the trial,

citing founding fathers and past officials

who'd been impeached.

How effective did you find their argument?

- Well, I thought probablythe most effective part

of their argument was that video,

the video of the attack on the Capitol.

It was absolutely chilling.

And we also saw a numberof clips that, you know,

haven't been aired as much in the media.

So it was definitely avery chilling thing to see

and the way it was edited,you know, with the timing

of President Trump'sspeech, his tweets and such,

and that the lawmakerswere in the chamber voting

on the electoral college certification,

you really got a sense of the

progression of what happened that day.

So I do believe that waseffective, especially effective

at getting that group oflawmakers who was present

for this attack really to relive that day.

Now, do I think it'llresult in Republicans

coming over to the Democraticside to vote to convict?

Probably not in large numbers.

However, I think in thecourt of public opinion,

which may not matter inthis case ultimately,

it was very effective.

- David, do you agree?

Do you think this could changesome of those Senators minds,

perhaps the public opinion?

- Not at all.

This is, what we're watchingis a political sham.

I don't think there'sany question about it.

Look, Julia mentioned thatvideo, an emotional video,

horrible images, 100%,we all agree on that.

Here's what was not in that video.

When Donald Trump said,"It's time to march

"peacefully and patriotically," his words.

"Peacefully and patrioticallyto the Capitol."

Huh, that wasn't in the video!

That wasn't in this videothat the media is fawning over

at this point, becauseit was so well done.

Last time I checked, when youtake videos out of context,

and when you don't includeevery single thing to make it

exactly what it was at thetime, which is peacefully

and patriotically, which iswhat this president said,

you've gotta include it.

Look, I'm not suggestingthat there wasn't obviously

rhetoric in there thatwould fire some people up.

No doubt about it.

But you gotta play all of the comments

and we're not getting all of the comments,

not to mention the fact that we know,

as there is independentreporting out there,

that this attack was already pre-planned

before Donald Trump spoke.

And the attack was going on

before Trump was even finished speaking.

And so I can go on andon about about the fact

that he said the word "fight" a few times

in an hour and 15 minute speech.

So look, this is politicslike we've never seen before.

- Julia, in the run-up to thetrial, Trump's defense team

indicated they'll argue two points,

the constitutionality and the process,

but also his First Amendmentright to free speech.

What do you make of thelatter argument there?

- Well, I think in termsof the First Amendment

right to free speech, youknow, that's definitely

going to play, that's somethingI think a lot of Republicans

in the Senate are going tobe able to relate to maybe,

because we've seen this argument

within the Republican Party.

And I think it's this overallargument of, you know,

Democrats would describe ityelling fire in a movie theater.

They would argue it justwasn't the appropriate timing

to use this rhetoric, youknow, President Trump saying,

you know "fighting" andsuch during that address.

And maybe the rhetoric from Rudy Giuliani,

Donald Trump Jr., andMo Brooks from Alabama.

That rhetoric, they would argue,

was very inflammatory as well.

But President Trump's attorneyswill argue that he was

well within his constitutionalrights to say that.

And that it was in the correct context,

because he did not literally say,

go down to the Capitol and break in.

I think you're going to behearing the word context

quite a bit through this trial.

- David, final thought.

- I think Julia is right.

I think the context is everything.

And you know, Democrats aregonna paint it a certain way.

Republicans will paint a certain way,

but sometimes, you know, wealways hear about words matter.

Well, words matter.

And once again, look,I've watched that speech

at least six or seven times ina row, Donald Trump's speech.

There was just a handful oftimes he said the word fight.

And by the way, let's ask Maxine Waters

if she said that word.

Let's ask Chuck Schumerif he's said that word.

I can go down the list.

The point is, that word issaid all the time in politics.

So the only words that he used there,

that everybody should realize is

peacefully and patrioticallyand I'm not quite sure

why media outlets aren't reporting that.

I really wonder about it.

- That's gonna have to be the last word.

David and Julia, thankyou so much for your time.

- Thank you, both.- Thank you.

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- Well, it looks like theHouse will include a $15

federal minimum wage in its final version

of its COVID relief bill.

It's still unclear, though,if it will be considered

by the Senate.

Meanwhile, as Senators hear arguments

in the impeachment trial,Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer,

is vowing to not let thetrials stand in the way

of COVID relief.

- It was said a few weeksago in all the punditry

and everywhere else, thatthe impeachment trial

would throw a wrench intoPresident Biden's early agenda.

We are here today tosay, we are not letting

that happen, we can do both at once.

We are working when we canwith our Republican colleagues

to produce a big, boldpiece of legislation

that will help us deal with

and get out of this awful awful crisis.

We look forward to workingwith Republican colleagues

to make this COVID package a reality.

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- Tony Perkins is the President of the

Family Research Council andhe joins us now for more.

Tony, we just heardChuck Schumer there say

Democrats are working withRepublicans on COVID relief.

You wrote in an FRCarticle that there's a lack

of bipartisanship in the relief package.

I take it the two of you are operating

on two different definitionsof bipartisanship.

- I think so.

Now there was truth inwhat Mr. Schumer said.

It is big.

It is huge, in fact.

$1.9 trillion is what we're looking at.

Every Republican Senatorthat I have spoken to,

and I've even spoken to members of the 10

that met with Joe Biden,there is no effort

to have a bipartisan approach to this.

This is just, you know,more political theater,

but they are pushing this thing through.

And the sad thing about it,is that we've already spent

about $3 trillion on Coronavirus relief,

on average about $20,000 perAmerican worker, thus far.

This will raise it up to $32,000.

I think Americans have to ask,

"What have I gotten for all that money?"

- Tony, if the President'sunwilling to work

with Republicans in supportof this COVID relief package,

is there any hope anywhereelse for bipartisanship

down the road, do you think?

- You know, it's sad,but I don't think so.

I mean, I think, look, weare very divided as a nation.

Divided politically,ideologically, divided spiritually.

I mean, there's a lot of talk about unity,

but let's be honest.

The only foundation for unity is truth.

There's gotta be some truthin our political discourse.

And when you have anadministration, you know,

that is advancing, really setting a pace,

when it comes to leftist ideas,

including redefinition of gender,

and forcing that on elementary schools

all the way up into colleges and sports.

It's hard to find common ground

with an administration like that.

- Tony, real quickly here,Republicans take issue

with the President's nearly$2 trillion price tag.

Where do you think thatnumber should land?

- Well, I actually think,I've spoken to a number

of the Senators thatmet with the President

and offered the roughly $600 billion plan.

Look, we haven't even spent allthe money from the last plan

that was passed at the end of the year.

So I think it's a more targeted approach.

Getting the vaccines out,taking care of those issues.

Not bailing out the bluestates like the Democrats

wanna do for their poormanagement and for shutting down

their economies in responseto the Coronavirus.

That's the wrong place to spend money.

- On President Trump'ssecond impeachment trial

that kicked off today, Tony,your thoughts as you watched.

- Sad, I mean, look.

It's just a sad time tobe in Washington, D.C.

If you have gone and mostof viewers haven't seen it

and the pictures don't do itjustice to what's happened

around our Capitol, where youhave the military presence.

You've got 10-foot fences with razor wire

all around the compound.

You know, it's like beingin a third world country.

I've gone to the Middle East.

I've been to Sudan, I've been to Turkey,

and it's not as bad as it is here in D.C.

And to make the point thatthis is political theater.

You know, we had our officeshad to be boarded up,

along with many many businesses,going all the way back

to June when Antifa and BLMwere protesting here in the city

and the officials would do nothing.

Those boards are all comingdown because the threat is gone.

But yet we see this half a billion dollar

initiative on Capitol Hillto put up this security,

all for political theater.

It's wrong.

- All right.

Tony Perkins, the President ofthe Family Research Council.

We have to leave it there tonight.

Thank you so much.

Good to see you.- Thanks, Tony.

- Good to be with you.Thanks.

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of the U.S. Commission onInternational Religious Freedom.

Gayle, thank you for joining us.

- Jennifer, great to bewith you this morning.

Thank you.

- Gayle, the U.S. RefugeeAdmissions Program

was created in 1980.

What is the purpose of this program?

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reached out to people that are vulnerable,

that they're welcome in our country,

the people that are fleeing a country.

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We have about, sort of a general average

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Of course, under this past administration

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wants to change that.

What kind of change innumbers are we talking about?

- Yes, so President Bidenin the this new fiscal year

wants to raise that to 125,000.

And, of course, thatwill be a welcome change.

I mean, the United States

can't urge other countries

to accept refugees and to

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- What are the criteria?

I mean, I know therewas criticism years ago,

under the Obama Administration,that we were letting in

lots of Muslim refugees, notso many Christian refugees.

And you know, I mean,who's keeping score, right?

Persecution is persecution.

But how do we determine, I guess,

if people are facingreligious persecution,

if they should be allowed to come in?

- Monitoring countries that are certainly

restricting religious freedom,then those are the countries

that probably people asthose restrictions get worse,

as the persecution gets worse,then those are the people

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It's how do we process theseindividuals as they come in?

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And then, how do we providethat humanitarian support?

- You're right about that, andwe will certainly be watching

the hearing tomorrow.

Gayle, as always, thankyou so much for joining us.

- Well, thank you.

And I would encourageanyone that is interested

in knowing more about thewhole refugee situation

to tune in.

- And if you would like towatch tomorrow's hearing,

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