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Faith Nation: January 12, 2021

The push to remove President Trump from office. The latest on the calls for the cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment and what happens if they don't. Plus social media moves to silences the President and some of his diehard supporters. Why some ... Read Transcript


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- [Narrator] Tonight, the push

to remove President Trump from office.

- Every day he's an office,

He remains a real and presentdanger to the country.

- [Narrator] More on thecalls for the Cabinet

to invoke the 25th Amendment,

and what happens if it doesn't?

Plus.- These are private companies,

they are not public squares.

- [Narrator] Social media movesto silence President Trump.

Why some say it's a violationof First Amendment rights.

And Supreme Court arguments today

about Christians and free speech rights.

All this and more tonight,on "Faith Nation."

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- As lawmakers look toremove him from office,

President Trump speaks out.

Good evening, and welcometo "Faith Nation."

I'm Tara Mergener.

- And I'm John Jessup.

Tonight, the U.S. House debatesusing the 25th Amendment

to remove the president from power

after encouraging his supportersto march to the Capitol

in what, eventually, led tolast week's deadly riots.

- Today, President Trumptook no responsibility

for the violence saying

his remarks were, "Totally appropriate."

CBN's White House CorrespondentBen Kennedy joining us now.

Ben, what is the president saying

about lawmaker's efforts to remove him?

- Well, Tara and John,

President Trump called impeachment

ridiculous and a witch hunt,

the same words he usedduring the first go around.

- This impeachment iscausing tremendous anger

and you're doing it.

And it's really a terriblething that they're doing.

- [Ben] President Trump made the comments

while leaving for Texasto mark the completion

of more than 400 miles of border wall.

Before boarding Marine One,

he criticized the notion

he might be impeached a second time.

- It's really a continuation

of the greatest witch huntin the history of politics.

It's ridiculous.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

- [Ben] Many lawmakers disagree

and Monday introduced asingle article of impeachment

charging the president withincitement of insurrection

and inciting violence

against the governmentof the United States.

Democrats say Trump's athreat to national security,

democracy, and the Constitution

if he is allowed to remain in office.

- For Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer

to continue on this path,

I think it's causing tremendous danger

to our country and it'scausing tremendous anger.

I want no violence.

- [Ben] House Speaker Nancy Pelosi

had pushed Vice President Mike Pence

to remove Trump by invokingthe 25th Amendment.

Pence has given no indicationof moving against his boss,

which means the House couldvote as soon as tomorrow.

- Every day he's an office,

he remains a real and presentdanger to the country.

- [Ben] House MinorityLeader Kevin McCarthy

says, "An impeachment at this time

would have the opposite effect

of bringing our country together."

Some Republicans would liketo see him leave office.

Senators Pat Toomey and Lisa Murkowski

have joined in the call for him to resign.

Any impeachment trial would likely

dominate President-ElectJoe Biden's agenda

during his early days in office.

- To a half day on dealingwith the impeachment,

and a half day getting my people nominated

and confirmed in the Senate.

- Now House Speaker Nancy Pelosi

says she has the votes to move forward.

The big question is when willthe Senate begin the trial?

We are hearing the earliest

that could happen is January 19th,

one day before Biden's inauguration.

John, Tara.

- All right, Ben, thank you.

Well, President Trump isblaming big tech companies

for causing division in the U.S.,

saying today the decisionto ban him from platforms,

like Twitter and Facebook is,

"A horrible thing for our country."

In the wake of the Capitol Hill riots,

Twitter permanently deletedthe president's account.

While Facebook and Instagram banned him,

at least until Joe Biden'sinauguration is over.

More than a dozen tech companies

now have at least some sort ofban against President Trump.

Meanwhile, some were alsotargeting Trump supporters.

YouTube is taking down channels

that post claims ofwidespread voter fraud.

Facebook removing any contentcontaining the phrase,

"Stop the steal."

- Well, here with us now is Chris Lewis,

President and CEO

of the nonpartisan Public Knowledge Group,

based right here in Washington, D.C.

Chris, thanks for joining us.

Chris, conservatives saythe social media bans

are a violation of free speech.

Their supporters though, saythese are private companies

demonstrating corporate responsibility.

What's your take?

- Well, these aredefinitely private companies

making decisions about content moderation

as we've seen in old traditionalmedia, like TV and radio.

The difference here is thatwhen these decisions are made,

they impact the voicesof individual users.

And so it's a very powerfulform of content moderation,

but it's not a violationof the First Amendment,

which only protects the Americanpeople from the government

setting rules around limiting your speech.

- Censorship is a wordbeing thrown out a lot

in this situation right now.

And you've even written aboutthis for Public Knowledge,

essentially saying,

"Not all content moderationequals censorship."

Can you explain exactlywhat you mean by that?

- Sure, you know, contentmoderation is important

to create safe spaces

for communication andcommunity building online.

And so, you know, usuallywhen we think of censorship,

we think of intrusion from the government.

But if we don't have platforms

that are enabled to dosome sort of moderation

since we don't have thegovernment allowed to do it,

we need to have some level of moderation

of these platforms to keepoff the harmful content

to children, illegal content, obscenity,

and, in this case, we'retalking about disinformation

that is dividing our country.

- This conversation,Chris, begs the question

with Twitter and Facebook'sabsolute autonomy

to pull anyone's accountand moderate what we see,

does Big Tech will too much power?

- Yeah, I think there'sgrowing bipartisan agreement

that there is tremendouspower being wielded

by these dominant digital platforms.

We saw this in the bipartisaninvestigation last year

in the House of Representatives,the Antitrust Subcommittee.

And there's growing sentiment

that something needs tobe done about that power,

so that there are choices

in the marketplace for average consumers

if they don't like the moderationpolicies of one platform,

that they can move to another.

So we'll see where those conversations go

around platform competition,competition policy.

And, hopefully, there'llbe some look at regulations

to ensure that consumers have choices.

- Chris, in a Public Knowledgeblog post just today,

you remind readers we have a government

by the people and for the people.

So the people need to take responsibility

when it comes to platformswielding so much power.

How can they do that?

- Well, first of all,

there are many people whospeak their voices loudly

and in an organizedfashion, online and off,

to ask these platforms to moderate in ways

that are considered conventional wisdom,

just in the way that we've seen

with movies and television in the past.

So that's an important voice of the user,

a voice of the public.

And if you're interestedin this discussion

about how to regulate Big Tech platforms,

you know, you should talkto your members of Congress

as they engage in this conversation,

again, bipartisan interest.

And you should read someof the conversations

in the House Antitrust Subcommittee report

to look at some of the remedies

that can give you the choicesthat you're looking for.

- All right, Chris Lewis,with Public Knowledge.

Thank you so much for being with us.

- Thank you.

- Thanks, Chris.

Blowback for the senatorswho led the charge

to object to the election certification

that preceded last week'sCapital security breach.

The brunt of the blame

put on Senators Josh Hawley of Missouri

and Texas's Ted Cruz,

with the two facing thepossibility of censure.

Hawley lost a book deal and top donors,

and Cruz faces a publiccampaign to be disbarred.

This as a few Democratic senators

have called for bothHawley and Cruz to resign.

- All right, here now for more is CBN News

Chief Political Analyst David Brody.

David, in a conversation

between the president andHouse Leader Kevin McCarthy,

President Trump acknowledged

he bears some of the blamefor last week's riot.

According to reporting from Fox News,

today, he took no responsibility saying,

"People thought what he saidwas totally appropriate."

David, final analysis.

- Well, Tara, the final analysis

is something we've knownall along from Donald Trump,

he doesn't back down,

he doesn't say that he's sorry.

And so look, the truth of the matter is,

he thought his remarkswere totally appropriate.

And what he told reporters to their face

on the tarmac today is the truth.

He doesn't think he did anything wrong.

You're never gonna get this president

to take an ounce of responsibility.

It's unfortunate, let's be honest.

And let's be clear,

and this is analysis straight up,

did he fan the flames?

Absolutely, he fanned the flames.

Is he the only one responsiblefor fanning the flames? No.

And also a couple of quickremarks as it relates,

or analysis remarks,

as it relates to the rally, once again,

he did say, "Let's peacefullymarch to the Capitol."

And, also, one thing

that has not been reported in the media,

the media keeps sayingthat he called for a march.

He never called for a march.

He said, "Let's now marchto the U.S. Capitol."

You know why he said that?

Because there was already a march planned,

he was a speaker at the rally.

So this idea that he called for the march

is also inaccurate.

So did I just say he fanned the flames?

Yes, that's a reality.

But there's a few otherrealities there as well.

And I think it's important for everybody

to have all the information

and then you come to your own conclusion.

- David, to those calls for resignation,

tremendous heat onSenators Hawley and Cruz,

not just from Democrats,

but we're hearing from membersof their own GOP Conference,

as well as corporate America,

with several companiessuspending campaign donations.

David, talk about theirfuture in the Senate,

not to mention any otherpolitical aspirations.

- Well, look, this idea that Democrats

are calling for them to be removed

or censured and everything, you know,

you know what Cruz andHawley think about that.

They don't care, they don'tgive a rip about that.

What they do care, is aboutwhat their constituents think.

So we'll monitor that.

I can tell you this, thatthey are not up in 2022,

neither one of them,

so they're kind of protected there.

And then we see whatthe editorial pages do,

we'll see what their poll numbers do.

I can tell you Ted Cruz'spoll numbers and Josh Hawley's

are down slightly since January 6th,

so we'll continue to monitor that.

There could be fallout,

but we're not quite sureexactly the depths of it yet.

- David, there's reporting showing

that House Republican leaders

are not directing the GOP Conference

on how to vote on the impeachment front.

So what does that signal for the vote

and for the president's influence

among congressional Republicans?

- Tara and John, I justspoke with Jordan Sekulow,

one of the president's lawyers.

He works for the ACLJ, AmericanCenter for Law and Justice.

You know him well.

His father, Jay Sekulow,of course, argued the case

against impeachment forthe president a year ago,

believe it or not.

Jordan Sekulow told me that he believes

there will be 20 to 25 House Republicans

that will vote alongside with Democrats

in Wednesday's impeachment vote.

Look, if that is true,

that is not only a majorrebuke for the president,

it's a downright embarrassment.

20 to 25 Republicans may votewith Democrats on Wednesday.

That's the number we're watching.

How many Republicans actually do it?

That's what his sources

are telling him.- Wow.

- And he's pretty, yeah,John, exactly, wow.

That's a big deal if it's 20 to 25.

- And I wonder what that wouldportend for the Senate vote

if it actually does go to trial.

David, we're out of time.

Thank you so much for your insight.

- Thanks, guys.

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- [Tara] All right, comingup, building relationships

before taking office.

How Joe Biden is trying toengage the faith community

ahead of his inauguration.

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- Welcome back, PresidentTrump is declaring

a state of emergency ahead ofnext Wednesday's inauguration

of President-Elect Joe Biden.

It comes after WashingtonD.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser,

pardon me, requested themove in a letter Sunday.

The order allows HomelandSecurity and FEMA

to step in and help D.C.manage any emergency response.

It is in effect now

until after theinauguration, January 24th.

Meanwhile, even more National Guard troops

are heading to the districtto help maintain order.

Some 15,000 are now expected.

- The incoming Bidenadministration has a lot going on,

the inauguration, a COVID response plan,

and nominating Cabinet members.

- That's right, Tara, anotherfocus for the transition team,

encouraging people of faith.

CBN's Eric Philips reportson Team Biden's work

to build those relationshipsbefore taking office.

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- Faith EngagementDirector Josh Dickson says,

"The transition team is inlistening mode right now.

And that means reaching out and tuning in

to hear voices of faith leaders

across the religious spectrum."

- We're all created in the image of God

with inherent human dignity and worth,

something that the president-elect

talked about a lot in the campaign.

And it's something thatreally centers his approach,

centers his agenda,

and his commitment to the common good.

- [Eric] Faith participants wasted no time

chiming in on either call.

Tatiana Torres, a Latina evangelical,

is the Director of ExternalAffairs and Engagement

for the D.C. Mayor's office.

- Evangelicals are notpolitically monolithic

and we are not just white,

and neither are Catholics.

36 million whiteevangelicals in the country,

17 million black evangelicals,

5 million Latino evangelicals.

And Latinos are thefastest growing segment

of American evangelism,

and they also are least likely to vote.

- [Eric] Torres would like tosee more emphasis on issues

she feels need more attention,

like immigration, atopic amen'd by others.

- We need to make sure that this country

is friendly to immigrants coming.

- People are afraid to cross the border

because of the disgraceful way

that Customs Border Patrol deal

with Muslims and Arabs at the border.

Addressing the culture of contempt,

or the culture ofdisrespect for human life,

that has become so transformative

in the way that law enforcement reacts

and relates to communitiesaround the country.

- [Eric] Rabbi David Sapperstein

highlighted the importanceof Israel's security,

more human rights work,

and likely fall out fromthe coronavirus pandemic.

- We're going to have a housing crisis

in the middle of the winter

unlike anything that we have seen.

- [Eric] The environmentand its faith connection

also played a prominent role.

- All the wealth isderived from the biosphere

and we must stop destroying it.

It's that simple.

- [Eric] Then discussion turned

to a battle of a different kind,

one that starts with acceptance.

- And start to build by embracing

one another's race, religion,culture, sexual orientation.

- [Eric] Interfaith YouthCore Founder Eboo Patel

noted Biden's election indicatesa shift in that direction.

- Joe Biden is only the second Catholic

to be elected presidentof the United States.

The United States for centuries

was a deeply anti-Catholic nation.

And the fact that anti-Catholicism

played very little rolein the public campaign

shows that America can change.

- [Eric] Bishop YvetteFlunder added her thoughts

as an openly gay pastor in San Francisco.

- We've got to change the dynamic

that suggests that people of faith

are just anti, anti, anti, anti.

We are more than anti.

The basic foundation ofmost of what we believe

has to do with our creator

being loving, and caring, and inclusive.

- [Eric] She suggests pro-life should mean

more care for the born,not just the unborn.

- It takes a greater commitment to care

and provide for born children,

than it does to spend millions of dollars

seeking to care for unborn children.

- But it's more thanpraying and meditating,

and it's more than theseforums, it's action.

- Much of what was discussed

fits into the day one priorities

for the Biden administration.

More events are planned to seek input

from evangelicals, like Franklin Graham.

We asked Graham, a Trump supporter,

if he would be willingto be a spiritual advisor

for the Biden administration?

He said he would be happy toserve if he was asked to do so.

Eric Philips, CBN News.

- A Georgia college threatens to arrest

a student for sharing his faith on campus.

After that threat in 2016,

he and another student sued the school.

- Tara, the case eventually was dropped,

because the school ended therestrictive speech policy

that landed the student inhot water in the first place.

CBN's Paul Strand explains

why the Supreme Courttook up the issue today.

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- Since Georgia GwinnettCollege stopped blocking speech

after it was sued, it arguedbefore the Supreme Court,

it shouldn't be penalized.

- The way that this case wasresolved is a good thing.

Litigation prompted college officials

to review their policies.

And then 10 weeks later,

to revise them in a way that maximized

and respected FirstAmendment rights on campus.

Not just for petitioners,but for all students.

- [Paul] The other side maintains

that by not punishing the college.

- It results in the government

walking away from pastharms that they caused.

- [Chike] I wanna love people

with sharing the greatestnews in the world.

- [Paul] As a student in question,

Chike Uzuegbunam said ina video about the case.

- I have to ask your permission

to exercise my First Amendment rights?

That's not freedom of speech.

- A college says, "You can'tpray here, young student."

And imagine that policyis unconstitutional.

And so if he was stopped frompraying, what's the damage?

Can you say there wasno damage? There was.

- [Paul] During a virtual news conference,

the attorney arguing Chike's case

said, "90% of colleges haverestrictive speech policies

and students need a weapon to fight back."

- The Supreme Court hasrightly said in the past

that government officials must make amends

when they violate someone'sconstitutional rights.

- The court will likely rule this spring.

Paul Strand, CBN News, Washington.

- [John] When "Faith Nation" returns,

the house of a well-knownauthor up for sale.

Why some of his biggest fansare fighting the move, next.

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If you're a fan of the films,

"The Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit,"

you're likely familiar with the author

of the books from which theywere created, J.R.R Tolkien.

- What you may not know is the home

he wrote the literarymasterpieces is up for sale

and supporters want itpreserved as a literary center.

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reports on the obstaclesstanding in their way.

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- 20 Northmoor Road in Oxford, England

is where J.R.R. Tolkien tokenlived from 1930 to 1947.

It's where he raised his family,

then also wrote some ofhis most well-known works.

Now that it's for sale,

there are many interested buyers,

including Project Northmoor,

which has several leadingcharacters helping its cause.

- In 1930, a family movedinto 20 Northmoor Road,

a big house in the universitycity of Oxford, England.

- The young fatherentertained his children

with his stories about a hobbit.

- Mr. Bilbo, where are you off to?

- [Mr. Bilbo] I'm going on an adventure.

- Well, there is no placefor Tolkien in the world.

Many other authors alreadyhave a house dedicated to them.

- [Jenna] Project NorthmoorFounder Julia Golding

wants to change that.

- In the UK, we have Jane Austen's house.

We've got Wordsworth's house.

Shakespeare, and it always struck me

that there was a real missing piece

of this literary heritagethat hadn't yet happened.

- [Jenna] Her goal, tomake it a literary center

in Tolkien's honor.

She says the center will focuson all aspects of his life,

from his writing and yearsas an Oxford professor,

to his deep Catholic faithand famous friendships.

- And he was part of agroup called the Inklings,

and that included C.S. Lewis.

So the literary center theysort of had here in Oxford,

they were people of faith.

And that was part of whatthey were thinking of

when they were writing.

- [Jenna] Project Northmoorhas just three months

to raise $6 million

before the home hits the public market.

- We had reached about half a million

in the first week, which is very good.

We shouldn't throttle back though,

we've got a long way to go still.

- There are so many of us you see,

and we all want to see this done.

- We will only succeed

if we all do thistogether as a fellowship.

- Project Northmoor also hasplans for an online community

for those Tolkien fanswho want to participate,

but can't get to Oxford.

In Washington, Jenna Browder, CBN News.

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- [Male] Young people,

Millennials are flocking to church.

- [Female] It's not an exaggeration to say

that we love to meet them

and that we love to know their stories.

- Well, finally tonight,

a new state flag is making its debut

in the Mississippi Capitol Building.

- It replaces the old state banner,

which included Confederate imagery.

The newly redesignedflag features a magnolia,

Mississippi's state flower,

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