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- Democrats in the mainstream media

characterize the personwho filled a complaint

about President Trump's phone call

to the Ukrainian Presidentas a Whistleblower

The impression is that he orshe is an intelligence officer,

a true patriot, protecting America

and the Constitution from abuse,

but our next guest suggests

the person is not a Whistleblowerat all, but a saboteur.

Former Congressman Bob Barrwas House Impeachment Manager

during President BillClinton's impeachment.

Mr. Barr is also a former CIA analyst.

He's now president and CEO of

the Law Enforcement Education Foundation.

Congressman Barr it'sgood to see you again sir

and tell us why do youthink this Whistleblower

is actually a saboteur.

- Thank you.

Well I'm very familiar withthe Federal Whistleblower Act

including the WhistleblowerProtection Act of 1998

that applied to the intelligence community

and the whole notion of a Whistleblower,

particularly in the intelligence business

is someone who uncovers somethingthat is an urgent matter

that would not otherwiseget out and that relates to

foreign intelligenceclassified information.

Now what we see in this particular case

involving the July 25th conversation

between President Trump andthe President of Ukraine

is, or has nothing whatsoeverto do with the foundation

for an intelligence community

whistleblower in the first place.

It does not concern classified materials

relating to foreign intelligence

and abuses relating toforeign intelligence

and when you look at the complaint that

was compiled by thisso called whistleblower

it becomes clear when you look at that

that this person has deepanimus toward the President

and has been putting orhad been putting together

a compendium of informationgathered from various sources,

second and third hand informationover a long period of time

at least going backseveral months this year,

and then sort of struck

when he or she though the moment was right

to basically go after President Trump.

This is not a patriot.

This is not somebody that has pure motives

such as was characterized by

the Director of NationalIntelligence last week,

and more over, when the Inspector General

for the intelligence community,

which is the person to whomthe so called Whistleblower

sends his complaint beforesending it to congress,

when that person reviewedit, Mr. Atkinson,

is the intelligence communityInspector General's name,

he did not even listen tothe underlying conversation,

or read the transcriptof the July 25th call.

So how in the world

this Inspector Generaldecided legitimately

that this was an urgent matter

involving foreign intelligenceand classified material

without even looking at, orlistening to the underlying call

is really a mystery to me.

It's either gross incompetence,

or he was trying to enable

and assist the so called Whistleblower.

- Well it seems like there's

political bias here in ourintelligence community.

Now President Trump istaken on the deep state

of the U.S. intelligence community

and Senator Chuck Schumer you remember

warned President Trumpbefore he became President

that intelligence officials have quote,

"Six ways from Sundayat getting back at you."

Is this what's happeningright now, Congressman?

A serious game of Gotcha?

- It definitely appears to be that.

There has been tensionbetween President Trump

and the intelligence community,

particularly career operatives

within the intelligence community

since even before PresidentTrump was sworn in office

in January of 2017.

So it's not surprising in a sense

that it would be intelligence operatives

that are behind the sabotageof the Trump administration.

- Now you managed theimpeachment of Bill Clinton

for the House.

What's the different with

this impeachment inquiryof President Trump?

- The difference is like night and day

between what we looked at in 1998

and the impeachment of President Clinton

and what the democratmajority in the House

is doing now with regardto President Trump.

Back in 1998 we of coursestarted with the Starr Report,

the very lengthy report that was compiled

by independent council Kenneth Starr.

He sent that to the Hillin September of 1998

and that was an exhaustive compendium,

an exhaustive analysis if you will,

of potential impeachable offenses,

which Judge Starr was required by law

to send to the House of Representative.

What we did in the House

and in the Judiciarycommittee at that time

under the leadership of Henry Hyde

is we took that report, we held a hearing,

we supplemented it with updated material,

and passed out of the Judiciary Committee

four articles of impeachmentagainst President Clinton

that were very clear, veryprecise, very well supported,

showing that the President had committed

four violations of federal criminal law.

Very different now what's happening.

The House seems to have been throwing

everything they canthink of up on the wall,

see if anything would stickof an impeachable nature.

They finally now have seized on

this July 25th phone conversation

and this so called Whistleblower report.

So that apparently is the worstthey've decided to run with,

but it's still is very unclear

that there is anythingat all in this incident

that would rise to the levelof an impeachable offense.

I certainly don't see it

and I've looked very carefullyat all of the material

that's been made available publicly.

- Well what do you think,

quickly we're running out of time here,

what do you think's goingto happen in all this?

- I think the democratshave gotten on their horse.

They're gonna run with itno matter how bad it is,

no matter which direction it takes it in,

because they are absolutely committed

to anything they can between now

and the next year election to undermine

and destroy President Trump.

So they're gonna proceed with it.

I don't think it will helpthem, but they will proceed.

- Okay, former Congressman Bob Barr,

President and CEO of

the Law Enforcement Education Foundation.

Thank you for providing those insights.

- My pleasure.