EXCLUSIVE Secretary of State Mike Pompeo: 'We're a Force for Good in the World, Not Evil'
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- The secretary of state sits down
with CBN News for a deep dive
on the administration'sfight for religious freedom
around the world.
- And he's addressingsome of the controversy
facing the White House.
Welcome to Faith Nation,I'm Jenna Browder.
- And I'm John Jessup.
Secretary Pompeo isdefending the president
after an incendiarytweet many call racist.
- Now Pompeo also says ProgressiveCongressional Democrats
are quote, "deeply troubling".
Today he sat down with CBNNews Chief Political Analyst,
David Brody, and David ishere now with us for more.
- David, much of thecountry has been looking
for a response from the administration
on these tweets.
Today you sat down Secretary Pompeo
and asked him about it.
- Right, we talked about the Squad.
We know all about the Squad now,
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and all of them
and they said, at leastaccording to the president
and many others, troublethings about America.
And so I wanted to askSecretary Pompeo specifically
about that because afterall he is secretary of state
and he goes around theworld promoting America.
So what did he think aboutthe Squads recent comments
with the president, have a look.
I wanna ask you a little bit more broadly
about foreign policy.
I know Joe Biden has been critical,
I know that's politics, butJoe Biden's been critical
of this administrations foreign policy.
And then we have the Squadthat we hear so much about.
A lot of what the president has said,
anti-Israel rhetoriccoming from these folks.
What do you make of thatas secretary of state
and what that message sendsto folks around the world,
especially Israel and some of our allies?
- Look, when a handfulof member of Congress
say things that are in the tone
of the fact that they blame America
for so much of the trouble in the world,
that's deeply troubling.
As I stare at the problem set,
whether it's work that we'redoing in the Middle East,
or work we're doing to solve the problem
of HIV Aids in Africa,
or the reconciliation effort
that we're underway with in Afghanistan.
I watch America, I watch its motives.
We are a force for good in the world,
not a force for evil.
We are not the cause of these conflicts.
And I hear these members of Congress talk
about this as if Americahad generated this trouble.
And to blame Americafirst for these things
is deeply inconsistentwith not only our founding
and our tradition, but withthe facts on the ground.
- Of course, all of thisstarted with an original tweet
that many consideredracist by the president.
It's something I asked thesecretary of state about.
Have a look.
The president trusts you.
You have a good relationship with him.
He is shockingly underattack, let me think,
all the time by the media and his critics
especially this week withsome of the tweets we've heard
and the R word, the racist word is used.
We've talked to him about that.
What do you know about him as president
that can speak to this issueabout what we have heard
so far this week about some of the tweets
and some of the controversysurrounding this.
- So I've worked for the president now
for goodness, almost twoand a half years now.
And I've watched the work that we've done
first as CIA director andnow as secretary of state.
His guidance to me has been very clear.
Our mission is to buildout American security,
talks about Americanfirst in lots of contexts.
My mission, I'm theAmerican secretary of state.
So my mission is to keepthe American people safe
and each and every time we've talked
about a particularly difficult situation
or how to respond to athreat that's imposed on us,
it's been about data and facts.
Coming up with a set of policy options
that are achievable, thatis we believe you have
to be realistic, you haveto take the world as it is,
you can't pretend that something else
is going to transpire thatyou know is very unlikely.
And we've worked on that.
And he's done this in every country.
He's done this regardless of the race
of the individuals in thatcountry, the religion.
It is about deliveringthese good outcomes.
We've built out amazing alliances.
We've got the world to workwith us on North Korea.
We've had 60 countries helpus make the lives better
for the people of Venezuela.
All of those projectsthat we're engaged in.
We do this with othernations and the president
is fully supportive.
- And so you're saying racehas nothing to do with this.
- Never seen it.- Yeah.
- Not once.- Yeah.
So I mean clearly those arethe news of the day items
and there was a lot more we discussed
throughout the interview.
- David, one of those things,Pompeo recently announced
the new Commission on Unalienable Rights.
Tell us about that.
- Right, so there's accordingto Secretary Pompeo,
which you'll hear in a moment,
he talks about, there'stons of rights out there.
Well what are American rights?
So in other words what are human rights
and they go back to the founding of this
and so that's what they'retrying to figure out.
What are human rights?
Well the women's groupsand minority groups
have pushed back to say wait a minute,
are you trying to roll backsome of these human rights
that we've heard about before?
Secretary Pompeo addressedthat, have a look,
- I'm really excited aboutwhat we're going to do
with this commission.
It's been a long timesince the State Department
has taken a good hardlook at the foundations,
the rights where they're grounded,
how we think about thosethings that are essential
to every human being.
You know this David, when you start to say
that all thousands of things are rights,
it diminishes these mostfundamental freedoms,
it diminishes these essential rights.
The right to freedom of worship,
the most powerful thingsthat each create our dignity
as human beings.
And so we're gonna gotake a good look at that.
We're gonna ground it in thefounding fathers understanding,
we're gonna ground it in our constitution,
we're gonna go back andlook at what the last time
that the Universal Declarationof Human Rights did its work
and we're going to moor what we view here
as human rights in the United States based
on this historic fundamentalset of understandings.
We think this will improve,has the capacity to improve
human rights and theunderstanding of human rights
all around the world.
- It's a potential controversy out there
depending on how theydefine those human rights.
So we'll watch that.
- David, this is not yourfirst time interviewing Pompeo.
He talks a lot about his faith
and you've asked himabout this in the past.
It's something that'sextremely important to him,
it shapes him, it guides him,
and it influences whathe champions as a leader.
- Right, especially on religious freedom,
which of course is the reason
for the Ministerial this week.
And I talked to himspecifically about that
and some of his answerwas very interesting.
Because watch the firstpart of this answer.
I think a lot of folksmight have some issues
with what he says about his faith
and how he sees the Bible.
Have a look.
- Look, as a Christian,
we have these fundamental understandings
from the Bible thattalk about how you treat
other human beings.
So whether it's the capacityto practice your faith
as a Jew in a country around the world
or your ability to bea faithful practitioner
of Islam somewhere in acountry that you're a minority,
Christians believe that that faith right,
different from mine, but nonetheless,
your expression of your faith,
fundamentally has a right to be expressed.
And we want every country to do that
and so yes, it's connectedwith my understanding
of the world and I think onethat America has held dear
since its founding as well.
- When he talked about someof those Christian principles,
detention centers came to mind.
I think a lot of people will question him
if those are the Christianprinciples at play.
So watch for some potentialpush back on that.
Finally the Ministerial Conference,
it'll be going on all this week,
it brings all of civic leadersand faith leaders together
and here's how he explained it.
- It's an important gathering.
It's the second time we've hadthe opportunity to do this.
We bring in leaders fromall across the world.
Religious leaders, civil society leaders,
government leaders, all aimed singularly
at the focus of increasing the capacity
for human beings to havethe right to worship
in the way they want, the way they choose,
in every country in the world.
And we know we're blessed here.
It's our first freedom enshrinedin the U.S. Constitution.
But that's not the case everywhere.
And our mission set is tohighlight its importance,
to educate leaders around the world
about how important this is,
how it can make yourcountry better and stronger
if you'll allow people of every faith
to practice their faith,
or if they choose not to, fine too.
And it's a wonderful opportunity.
There's small groupsthat'll gather and talk
about particular issues,particular tactics,
and then we hope throughout the year,
just in this past year,they'll be groups meet
all around the worldto further this cause.
- Full report on the The 700 Club.
Wednesday morning, immigration, refugees,
a lot more in the interview.
We just don't have enough time here.
- That's always the case.Unless you wanna
give me a few.- Sure, we'll give you time.
- David, great interview, great job.
- Thanks David.- Thanks guys.