- [Terry] The former host ofThe View and Fox and Friends.

- You get really good atbeing right about things.

- [Terry] Elisabeth Hasselbeck opens up

about her TV tussles.

- I don't think He wantsus wrong with one another.

I'm pretty sure it breaks His heart.

- [Terry] And why sheleft the anchor chair.

- It's time for my children and my family

to get the best of me, not the rest of me.

- [Terry] Plus:

- I start craving somethingstronger to numb the pain.

- [Terry] One addicts final hit.

- If I die in that state,I knew I would go to hell.

- [Terry] That and more ontoday's 700 Club Interactive.

- Hi and welcome to the show.

For 10 years, Elisabeth Hasselbeck was one

of the only conservativevoices on The View.

But when the cameras stopped rolling,

she stopped focusing onbeing right about the issues

and wanted to be rightwith her fellow co-hosts.

- Recently, we sat downwith Elisabeth to talk

about her former co-workers, her family,

and finding her own point of view.

- 10 years straight ofbeing at The View table

and holding one side ofthe table by yourself

against four voices whoare on the other side,

you get really good atbeing right about things.

And so now I kind of feel likea recovering right-a-holic

where, "Did I leave enoughroom in those discussions

"to be wrong enough to beright with the person?"

- [Narrator] In her newbook, Point of View,

Elisabeth Hasselbeck writesabout the insights she gained

during her time as theonly conservative co-host

on The View, as well as her stints

on the shows Survivor and Fox and Friends.

- In the book ofColossians, we're reading,

so that we can be unified in love.

So what does that look like?

It looks like dear God,make me wrong enough,

not holding on to pride, andnot forfeiting your truth,

which is word, but wrong enough to hear

the other person and be right with them.

Because I don't think He wantsus wrong with one another.

I'm pretty sure it breaks his heart.

- [Narrator] Elisabeth alsoshares with her readers

about the strong faith and resiliency

her parents instilledin her from a young age.

- They just have kind hearts.

They have generous hearts.

They just love people.

They just loved well.

They were forgiving.

When we messed up, they forgave us.

When we did something, they celebrated it,

but not to a point that created a pride.

And they just had thisoptimism and hope to them.

- [Narrator] While on The View,

Elisabeth gained notorietyfor her heated debates

with co-hosts Rosie O'Donnell, Joy Behar,

and Whoopi Goldberg, but says off the set,

they got along well.

- Whoopi and I don't think a lot alike,

but we love a lot alike,

She has a generous heart.

I've seen how she loves myfamily and I've seen her heart

and I see how she welcomespeople who are not like her,

even me, who doesn't think like her.

Our minds might not work the same and feel

the same about certain things,

but I do think what we share is a love

for people and a love for friendship.

- [Narrator] Another brightspot in her time at The View

was working with thelegendary Barbara Walters.

- She is like my broadcastingmom and professor in one.

She had tough love forme at times at work,

and I'm so thankful for that.

If you have a mentor who'stough on you sometimes

in a refining way, that's a blessing.

When I think about Barbara,

I really think about howloving she was to people,

how naturally curious shewas to hear their story.

- [Narrator] Elisabeth waslet go from The View in 2013.

About that same time, she wasdiagnosed with celiac disease,

prompting her to revampher lifestyle completely,

and write a gluten-free cookbook.

- I've also had some health scares that

have come up duringreally stressful times,

so I do believe that stress will push

your body to an unhealthy place.

So we try to just maintainan active lifestyle

and a fun one; this is God's body.

You know, we try to treat it as a temple,

but we also have Oreos in our house.

- [Narrator] After her stint as co-host

of the morning show, Fox and Friends,

Hasselbeck left aftersuffering bouts of exhaustion.

- I would wake up andneeded the word of God,

yet I was still trying todo it on my own because I

wasn't sure that I wasqualified enough to be there.

Getting three hours ofsleep for two years straight

is unhealthy and brought meto my worst version of myself.

I think my departure from Foxwas me saying, "I give up.

"I'm trying, I don't wantto let this team down,

"but I don't have it."

I said it on my last day atFox and when I announced it:

"It's time for my childrenand my family to get

the best of me, not the rest of me."

- [Narrator] Today, Elisabethlives with her husband

and three children inNashville, Tennessee.

Through all of the recentlife changes and transitions,

Elisabeth is often remindedof the paper bag lesson

she learned from an art teacher.

- I was trying to drawthis old crinkly paper bag.

I thought, how am I goingto draw this bag with all

these dents and cracks and shadows.

And she said, "I'm notasking you to draw the cracks

"and crinkles and cracks on the bag.

"I'm asking to see how thelight hits it and draw that.

"Draw the light and you'll draw the bag."

And I did.

So really, that's kind of been how I think

about all these situations,like, what's the light on it?

Because that's God's word and truth

and what He wants you to see.

Are you looking at the awful first,

or are you looking at the goodness first?

Life is gonna throw you somecurves, like all the time.

You might get fired.

It's happened.

You might take a wrong turn.

That might happen.

But God still sees you.

And He says, considerit pure joy my brothers,

whenever you face trials ofmany kinds because you know

that the testing of yourfaith develops perseverance.

Perseverance must finishits work so that you may

be mature and complete,not lacking anything.

Blessed is the man whoperseveres under trial.

When you're working sohard to try to get through,

that you realize youcan't do this on your own

and there's the surrender.

- Such candor.

- Yeah.- I mean--

- Yeah, really.- That really,

I think it's such an honestinterview and therefore,

it's filled with so much rich--

- Yeah.- Wisdom and advice

for all of us.

- And of course, it startedout with her talking

about how it's importantto be in right relationship

with people and we candisagree with people,

but how do we stand withthem as friendships,

and just trying to keepcivility and love and--

- Yes.- When we're disagreeing

with people; good advice for all of us.

- Yes, boy could take someof that in Washington, huh?

- That's for sure.

- (laughing) Coming up,

he's the most influentialphotographer on the internet.

An artist, entrepreneur,and sought-after speaker,

whose mission is to help ordinary people

find their extraordinary potential.

Jeremy Cowart joins uslive, right after this,

so stay with us.

(lively music)

Jeremy Cowart has garneredworldwide attention

for his various projects and efforts.

He's an award-winning photographerwho has taken pictures

of many celebrities likeTaylor Swift and Sting,

but he also uses his skills to bring hope

and healing to many around the world.

Take a look.

- [Narrator] Jeremy Cowartstruggled in school,

unable to focus on his studies.

But in seventh grade,

he found something he excelled in, art.

Since then, Jeremy hasfollowed his creativity

and in 2014, he was named themost influential photographer

on the internet by Huffington Post.

In his book, I'm Possible,this award-winning photographer

shares how he pushedanxiety and fear aside

to discover his talents and why he uses

his artistic platform to inspire others.

- With me now is the very talented

and creative Jeremy Cowart.

Thanks for joining us.- Of course.

- It's great to have you here.

- It's good to be here and thank you.

- When you were growing up, I mean, today,

there are so many people who applaud

your work and recognize that it's

so creative and unique and valuable.

But growing up, you reallywere a child who felt

like you didn't fit in andyou didn't know who you were

or what you were supposed to do.

Share a little of that with us.

- Yeah, just I didn't makegreat grades and I assumed

that grades were your value as a person.

And so, I didn't thinktoo highly of myself.

I didn't think I would do much in life.

My two words were I can't.

And so yeah, even as an adult,got fired from my first job.

I got a D in photography,nearly failed photography.

So yeah, there were a lot of challenges.

- Your parents, along theway, while you were saying,

"I can't" kept speakingPhilippians 4:13 to you.

I can do all things throughChrist who strengthens me.

I'm sure you were frustrated by that,

but I'm also sure it madean impact on your heart.

- Yeah, it's one of the verses, as a kid,

you hear so much that it starts--

- Yeah.- To blend in.

But I think eventually, okay,if my parents believe in me,

they're telling me this verse,

maybe I can start toachieve things and so, yeah,

over time I really didstart to believe in myself.

- [Terry] So how did the guywho got a D in photography

finally figure out hehad a gift? (laughing)

- I don't know, I just,

I was so intimidated by all theF-Stops and shutter speeds--

- Yeah.- All the technical--

- Yes.- Stuff.

But I was good at seeingand so my love for seeing

led me to finally figureout all the technical--

- Yeah.- Stuff, which turns out,

is not that challenging.- Yeah.

- Which is really the message of the book.

The things we think aretoo hard or too technical

or too intimidating arereally not that hard.

- Once you picked up a cameraand you just started working

with it and you sawthat you could recreate

what you saw with your eye,

did that lead you to wanting to know more

about the options and thethings that you can do with it?

- Oh, for sure.

I always say, the moreyou learn technically,

the more you can achieve creatively.

- Yeah.- So I started

to figure out, oh, if Iactually read the manuals

that come with all the gear,

that'll teach me how toachieve my ideas, yeah.

- You had an idea alongthe way to take pictures

of people in need.

What was it that youwanted to convey with that?

- Yeah, I wanted to givethe photo shoot experience

with hair and makeup andwardrobe and catering

to the homeless--- Yeah.

- To people who have never experienced

a nice portrait of themselves.

We did it in Nashville first in 2008,

then the next year, itbecame a global movement.

- Yeah.- Where we announced it

on social media around the world.

That's the idea, to justfind people in need,

take their pictures and give them away,

give the photos to them.

- That's happened, that national acclaim,

international acclaim, hashappened to you multiple times.

Did you have any idea, whenyou started taking photos

of people who were in crisis situations

or extreme poverty, that theresponse would be what it was?

- No, I really didn't.

I don't go into it thinkingabout the end result

in terms of publicity or marketing.

I just go do the projectand follow my heart.

- Yeah.- You know,

follow those whispers that God gives me

and just hope for the best.

And it seems like eachtime I lean into that,

incredible things happen, both for me,

for the people involved.

It's always a good outcome.

- That happened in Haitiafter the earthquake.

Did you just feel like, Ijust have to go see this

and show people or what led you there?

- Yeah, I was justwatching TV and watching

the news and just seeingthey weren't telling

the stories of the people.

They were just showingthis many people died,

this many buildings fell down.

I was like, well, howare the people feeling?

So I got off the couch and used Twitter

to find a place to stay in Haiti and spent

a couple weeks there tellingthe stories of the people,

which, that was the earlydays of social media

and that really took off.

- Half of what you read in here, I think,

is based around what you just said.

I got up off the couch.

- Yeah, yeah.- You know?

- Yeah.- I mean, a lot of us think

those things, but you gotup and went and you didn't,

you didn't question--- Mm-hmm.

- The validity of the choice.- Sure.

- You just went.

Let's talk a little bitabout how God has used

laying forgiveness on your heart for that.

You had a reconciliation project--

- Mm hmm.- That was really powerful.

Share that.

- Yeah, I found out that myfriend Laura Waters Hinson

was doing a project in Rwanda,

telling the stories of the people who

had forgiven each other for murder--

- Yeah.- During the

'94 Rwandan genocide.

I was like, I need to go there with you

and tell the stories through photographs.

We did that and spent a few weeks there,

photographing them together.- Yeah.

- Like this person murderedthis person's family--

- Yes.- They've now reconciled

and they're working togetherto rebuild the communities,

which is just extraordinary.- Powerful.

- Here in America, wecan't forgive each other

for stealing a parking spot.- Yeah.

- But over there--- Yeah.

- They're forgiving for--- And usually shoot.

- Yeah, much worse.- Sadly.

You also went to Ugandaand had an opportunity

to shoot pictures of childrenwho had been child soldiers.

These were kids who hadbeen forced to kill people.

What did you experience there

and what did you catch with your lens?

- Yeah, well, as an artist,I heard about this project.

My friends at Exile International,

they do art therapy withformer child soldiers and they

used art to go through thehealing process with these kids,

where they're able to paintthe pains of their past

and the dreams of their future.

- Yeah, wow.- And it really is

a part of their therapeutic process.

I just went and acted asa mentor through that.

- I want you to share your hotel project

because it's your latest, it's pretty big.

(laughing)

- It is big.- Talk about that.

- God gave me an idea in 2012to build a global hotel chain.

I was like, that one's a little too big.

- Yeah.- You know.

- [Terry] Excuse me,

God. (laughing)- The other projects

I can jump right into.

So I spent three yearsof fear of that idea,

but then in 2015, my businesspartner and I decided

to start walking towards it.

Now we're running andwe're actually building

this first hotel in Nashville, Tennessee.

- And what is it for?

Tell me what the purpose of the hotel is.

- Yeah, everything in the building will

be connected to causes and non-profits.

Every room will sponsor achild on Tell Their Story,

the internet fuel fightingagainst human trafficking.

The soaps and shampoos cancome from Thistle Farms.

- Wow.- They'll be

a charity water wheel in the lobby.

Everything will have a causeor a non-profit associated.

- Wonderful; I think people are so hungry

to make a difference in the world today.

All the clamor and theangst and the frustration

and anger around us isnoisy that sometimes,

you can have that in your heart,

but you don't ever get there.

- Yeah.- You've written

not impossible, but I'm Possible.

What's the take-awaymessage you want people

to have from this?

- It's just been my lifelong realization.

All those things that I was afraid of,

photography, cameras, you know, hotels.

I just realized, all thosethings that I thought

were scary are not that scary.

And if I can overcome all the stuff,

than surely anybody can.

So that's what I want people to know.

- [Terry] Where does one start?

- Just jumping--- Get up off the couch.

- Yeah, jumping into the first idea.

Jumping Into Fear is the subtitle.

- Yeah.- You gotta go for it.

- Yeah, I love thesubtitle: Jumping Into Fear

And Discovering A Life of Purpose.

The book is wonderful, it'sencouraging, it's inspiring.

It is available wherever books are sold

and so, go out and get one for you

and then pass it on toa friend or better yet,

get your friend to buy one.

Jeremy, thank you for being with us.

- Thank you for having me.

- Great to have you here.

- Thank you.- Very inspiring.

Andrew.

- Thanks so much, Terry.

Still to come, a drugdealer who thought he had

what it took to evade the cops.

(lively music)

- [Kevin] I thought I hadsomething that was just different

than the other drug dealers' quality

that caused me to float under the radar

and not get caught by police.

- Well, it is right; he didn't get caught,

but he turned himself in.

Find out why when we come back.

Stay with us.

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Kevin Howard remember thesmell of his childhood home.

It was a scent thatseeped through the walls

and filled the rooms.

It came courtesy of his mother'saddiction to crack cocaine.

And years later, that same burning odor

filled Kevin's home as well.

(dramatic music)

- It was like a living hell.

I had a thirst that couldn't be quenched.

I kept feeling like Icouldn't catch my breath.

- [Andrew] Kevin Howard didn'tplan to deal drugs for long,

and never expected to become an addict.

But soon, it was about more than money.

It gave him a sense of worth.

Being respected in our neighborhoods

and as being the man.

- [Andrew] Kevin grew up in the projects

of Norfolk, Virginia,the oldest of three kids.

His mom was just 14 when he was born.

Despite their hard circumstances,they were close early on.

- She used to take me everywhere with her.

My mom had a big smile.

She was full of life, youknow, a people person.

- [Andrew] But when he was seven,

his mom's behavior beganto change dramatically.

- I remember she began to spendmore time with her friends

and not with me.

She would say things verbally

to kind of wound me or offend me.

And I noticed lack of food in the house,

lack of clothing andthe things that we need.

The stench, this haunting smell,

that at the time, was cocaine.

- [Andrew] Eventually, shechose the streets over her home.

- When she started dwindling away,

that's when I was longing for her just

to get that nurturing,you know, that love,

that acceptance from her,the closeness we had.

- [Andrew] His mom lostcustody of her kids

and Kevin had almost nocontact with his dad.

He started staying withhis grandmother and spent

his teen years searching for acceptance.

- It affected my confidenceand a sense of self-worth

and wanna feel that I belonged to someone,

and I belonged to a purpose.

I was lacking in that and Istruggled with my identity.

I started dating.

I was looking for closeness, affection,

and I actually startedbecoming sexually active

between 14 and 15.

- [Andrew] After high school graduation,

Kevin planned to join the Air Force.

But when he found out hisgirlfriend was pregnant,

he wanted to be aroundand provide for his son.

He saw an easy way to dothat in his own neighborhood.

- Because the drug dealers, the money,

the clothing, the carsand things they had,

it started becoming attractive.

I thought I was smartthan the drug itself.

I thought I had somethingthat was just different,

you know, than the otherdrug dealers' quality

that caused me to float under the radar

and not get caught by police.

(dramatic music)

- [Andrew] It worked that way for years,

but Kevin began to falterafter a hard breakup

with his son's mother.

- I start craving somethingstronger to numb the pain.

As a drug dealer, youknow, one of the sayings,

don't get high off your own supply.

That smell, that cocaine,

that was a stench thatwas so haunting to me,

and so intimidating, it became my friend.

(dramatic music)

- [Andrew] Kevin overdosedseveral times and was

in and out of jail onvarious drug charges.

Though he attended Bible studies in jail,

he always started usingagain when he got out.

- I was doing crack cocaine, heroin,

alcohol, smoking mariajuana.

Everything had reachedits apex at this time.

I felt that if I died in that state,

I knew I would go to hell.

(dramatic music)

- [Andrew] With a warrantout for his arrest,

Kevin stopped evading thepolice and turned himself in.

- I was willing to dowhatever it takes to get free

because I felt, inside, thatI didn't have no more control.

I wanted out, I wanted out of that life.

- [Andrew] Kevin was arrestedand placed in a one-man cell.

He remembered what afriend's grandmother said

about God when he was a kid.

- She used to tell me,

you're gonna need Godfor yourself one day.

She taught me about God,how to open up your heart

and receive God and have faith.

I got on my knees and I just began to cry.

I just began to weepand to call out to God.

And I asked Him to save meand I told Him I was serious

about living a life to serve Him.

I felt this peace come into the room

and it was like I feltlike I wasn't alone.

I felt like I wasn't abandoned.

I felt like I hadsomebody come into my life

and that was on my side,

that everything was gonna be all right.

- [Andrew] Now, Kevin wascommitted to living out

his new faith and love for God.

And his four-year sentence wasreduced to only seven months.

This time, Kevin was able to stay away

from the drugs for good.

- I wanted a new foundation.

I knew that I had toinvest in a new nature

that I had in Christ and that's by feeding

the Word of God, engaging in His presence,

and learning how to giveGod true worship and praise.

- [Andrew] Kevin has forgivenhis father and his mother,

who came to Christ before her death.

(dramatic music)

Today, he works hardfor a graphics company

and likes to go on mission trips.

Kevin married Castella in 2018,

and they love theirblended family of nine.

He says, without the grace of God,

he wouldn't be alive today.

- He became my Father,He became my friend,

and guess what, no rejection is there,

no abandonment is therebecause His love is fulfilling

and I'm just gratefulthat God have saved me,

have given me another opportunity.

(gentle music)

- Hear Kevin say, "He became my Father

"and He became my friend."

It's amazing what God can do

when we surrender our life to Him.

You know, we all have pain in our life.

For some people like Kevin,

it's more significant than others.

He was in circumstances in his childhood

that he really had no control over.

And he was on a path that he didn't choose

for himself and he had to cope.

And of course, thatcarries into adulthood.

How do we numb the pain?

You heard Kevin say, Ichose to numb the pain,

and he did it through,primarily, drug use.

We all have pain in our lifethat we wanna push aside,

bury, ignore, or just become numb to it.

A lot of times, we get involvedin substances like drugs,

or alcohol, for somepeople, it's pornography.

And we try and bury it,cover it up, ignore it.

That only works for ashort period of time.

Because then you become addicted,so you have two problems.

You've got a problem with pain and trauma

and you're trying to getover the hurt you feel.

And now you find yourself addicted

and that cycle just will not end.

We have to come to the realization

that Jesus can set us free.

In the Gospel of John, we read,

who the Son sets free is free indeed.

You know, we get into realtrouble when we stop doing

or ignore what God wants us to do.

We get in really big trouble when we begin

to rationalize why weren'tnot being obedient,

why we're not doingwhat God wants us to do.

And that cycle of substance abuse

is really hard to get out of.

It's admirable for peoplewho try and walk away

from what has them inbondage, try and turn from it,

make decisions to get ahold of their life

and move past an addiction,to break an addiction.

It's admirable.

But I put before youtoday that the real key

to overcoming addictionand bondage is to chase

after something else andto chase after a person

and that is the person of Jesus Christ,

who walked among us, buthas the power to save

because of the work done on the cross.

I encourage you, today, don'tjust try and bury your pain

or put it in the past or tryand conquer this addiction

or your sin problem on your own.

But approach the cross of JesusChrist and on bended knee,

just surrender and say, Jesus,I can't do this without you.

And here's the wonderful news.

This is what He desires.

He desires our surrender.

He's not gonna push you away.

He desires relationshipwith us all the time.

There is never a moment where Jesus

does not want relationship with us.

So this is your moment, this is your day,

to put your sin problem, your hurts,

your addictions beforethe cross and say, Jesus,

free me from this bondage.

I encourage you to pray with me now.

Dear Jesus,

you know my pain, youknow where I've been hurt

and you know the bad decisions I've made

in order to cope with it and bury it.

And Jesus, today, eventhough I don't understand

what you may do with mylife or my circumstances,

I have the courage tocome before the cross

and lay my sin problemthere, lay my hurts there,

and surrender my life to you, Jesus.

I believe you have the power to save

and where I doubt, helpme overcome my un-belief.

This day, I surrendermy life to you, Jesus,

and I pray that your HolySpirit leads me and guides me

on this new path that I take today.

In Jesus' name, I pray.

Amen.

Please call us, let usknow you prayed with me.

800-700-7000.

We would love to pray with you more.

We leave you with this verse from Titus.

He saved us,

not because of the righteousthings we had done,

but because of His mercy.

He washed away our sins.

God bless you.