This Regime Is on a Genocidal Rampage Against Christians, Muslims, and Others - Now What?
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- Hundreds of thousandsof Rohingya refugees
are languishing in campsduring the harsh monsoon
rainy season in Bangladesh.
Now the InternationalCriminal Court appears ready
to hold the Burmese governmentresponsible for their plight.
The ICC says there is sufficient evidence
to bring the Burmese government to trial
for committing atrocitiesagainst the Rohingya.
Joining us with more is Nicolee Ambrose
of the Faith Coalition ToStop Genocide In Burma.
Nicolee, why should the Burmese government
be held accountable?
Explain for our viewers what has happened
to this people group.
- Gary first of all as youknow from traveling there
the Burmese government isrun by the Burmese military.
They really control 75%or more of the country.
And they persecute anyonewho is not Buddhist.
88% of the country is Buddhist,
but you had over amillion Rohingya Muslims
before 2017 and four tosix million Christians.
These people have beenpersecuted for decades.
George W Bush's administrationput sanctions on 'em in 2003.
President Obama liftedthem in the fall of 2016
and since then it has, the onslaught,
the brutality has ramped up to the point
that that Burmese militarycreated a genocidal campaign,
chased out the remaining onemillion Rohingya Muslims.
And those same military divisions
that chased out theRohingya have repositioned
to go after the KachinChristians in the north.
But the problem is not onlyhas the Kachin been persecuted
there is nowhere for them to run.
They're between theborders of India and China.
- So you visited thoserefugee camps in Bangladesh.
Explain the conditions thatyou witnessed and saw there.
Also I understand thata trial may be held now
because of the ICC's rulings.
So if the Burmesegovernment is found guilty,
what would happen if anything?
I'm sure those peoplewouldn't be running back home
right away.
- Right, so I did visitthe camps this spring.
And I mostly met with women and children.
And the UN has found andthe US has found that
51 to 52% of the surviving womens,
many of them they slaughtered women.
The surviving women havebeen raped in those camps.
The people who struck me the most.
There was a 13 year old girl
and like many of the womenshe had been pulled out
in a group of five to six and brutalized
in ways we can't even imagineby ten soldiers at a time.
That was their MO.
And a sweet girl.
She reminded me of Princess Aurora.
'Cause she had this pink kindof gauzy princess dress on.
She now is treated for STDs in the camp.
The women she lives with have lost
almost all their children.
One woman lost every single child she had.
Another had one of her four children left.
And they saw their children slaughtered
before their eyes.
So at the UN level,
they have called it genocide.
They have the Commission On Human Rights
has issued a report ofwe are just about to
await our own State Departmenthas really commissioned
an atrocities reportthat Nikki Haley quoted
just over a week ago inthe UN Security Council.
So we know the figures are staggering.
We are hoping SecretaryPompeo will very shortly
release that report and makea declaration of genocide.
And then at the same time theInternational Criminal Court
has recognized jurisdiction on this case
because essentially the Burmese military
was chasing the Rohingyaacross into Bangladesh
which they compared toa cross border shooting.
So we're very much looking forward to
just justice for theseRohingya but at the same time
we need to make surethe Kachin and the other
Christians in the countryaren't slaughtered
because it looks like they are next
on the Burmese military's list.
- Well I'm sure the Burmese officials
would say the only reason they're fighting
these groups, the Rohingyaand then also the Kachin
is because they form militiasagainst the government.
What do you say to that?
- Well it's interesting.
There's several reports on this.
Before the Burmese militarybegan their onslaught,
at the end of August,
they landed on August 10th, 2017
and they confiscatedthings like kitchen knives
from the Rohingya.
So you know I wouldpersonally want to be able
to defend my family.
I don't think any of uswould object to that.
But this was a very calculated campaign.
This was planned.
Their state counselor Aung Suu Kyi
called it a stabilityand clearance operation.
And their leading general said
the operation is not yet done
in an early September update.
So I think there's a big difference
between defending yourself and genocide.
- And that's quite adissapointment for many of them
with Aung San Suu Kyi, theNobel Peace Prize winner,
pro democracy activist,
now very influential in the government.
I'm sure they're disappointed with her.
They expected more from her did they not?
- Incredibly disappointing.
I think certainly I'mguessing President Obama
and a few other people whohad been friends with her
in our government.
For example, John McCainhad been friends with
Aung Suu Kyi.
But they were disappointed.
Mccain at least admitted how far she fell.
This is a really importanttime to fix our US policy
on the situation,
to reverse those sanctionsthat Obama lifted.
And we as the US shouldnot allow genocide.
We should ask for full sanctions
with the exception of foodand medicine on Burma.
And today we call it Myanmar.
- I have to ask you about thetwo Reuters news journalists
who were found guilty and sentenced
to seven years in prison
for reporting the truthabout the Rohingya.
Now this isn't fake news folks.
This is, they were reporting the truth.
They did a little digging.
Found some victims of the genocide there.
What can you tell us?
Tell us a little more aboutthat and those journalists.
- So two journalists apparently had dinner
with some Burmese police officers.
And once again,
the country's controlled by the military.
So the military and the local police
work together on everything.
And they apparently slid into newspapers
that they had at the table,
some documents which talkedabout the Rohingya crimes.
I don't believe theinformation was inaccurate.
The government then went to frame
these two Reuters journalists
for having this information
and reporting on brutalitycommitted by the military
and the police.
And they were just sentenced
to seven years in jail for this.
I'm really hoping this gets a lot,
a lot more international attention.
Amal Clooney has signed onas one of their Barristers.
Lots of action there.
But I just wanna make sure everyone knows
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