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Wendy: THE FOLLOWING
PROGRAM IS SPONSORED BY
CBN.
Gordon: COMING UP,
THE INVESTIGATIVE
JOURNALIST WHO WROTE "THE
CASE FOR CHRIST" IS NOW ON
A NEW ASSIGNMENT.
NOW HEAR LEE STROBEL MAKE
THE CASE FOR MIRACLES.
> THEN, A DEDICATED
ATHEIST --
I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT
THIS ANYMORE.
Gordon: -- WHO
STARTED TO EXAMINE HER OWN
BELIEFS.
COMES FACE TO FACE WITH
THE TRUTH SHE COULDN'T
DENY.
I WAS, LIKE, WHAT DO I
BELIEVE.
Gordon: ON TODAY'S
"700 CLUB."
> WELL, WELCOME TO "THE
700 CLUB."
THE Facebook SCANDAL IS
TAKING ITS TOLL ON ITS
FOUNDER AND ITS STOCK
PRICE.
C.E.O. MARK ZUCKERBERG HAS
SEEN HIS PERSONAL NET
WORTH PLUMMET BY
$10 BILLION, AS THE STOCK
HAS DROPPED.
Terry: OUCH.
THE SOCIAL NETWORK GIANT
HAS COME UNDER FIRE FOR
NOT PROTECTING THE PRIVACY
OF ITS USERS, AND NOW THE
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT,
PLUS 37 STATES, WANT
ANSWERS.
CHARLENE AARON HAS THIS
STORY.
Charlene: Facebook
IS BEING ROCKED BY CLAIMS
THAT YOUR PRIVACY AND
PERSONAL DATE ARE UP FOR
GRABS.
THE FEDERAL TRADE
COMMISSION IS NOW
INVESTIGATING THE SOCIAL
MEDIA GIANT, FOLLOWING A
WEEK OF PRIVACY SCANDALS,
INCLUDING WHETHER THE
COMPANY ENGAGED IN UNFAIR
ACTS THAT CAUSED
SUBSTANTIAL INJURY TO
CONSUMERS.
37 STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL
ARE ALSO SEEKING ANSWERS
ON HOW Facebook
MONITORED WHAT APP
DEVELOPERS DID WITH DATA
COLLECTED ON Facebook
USERS, AND WHETHER
Facebook HAD SAFEGUARDS
TO PREVENT MISUSE.
THE STATE ATTORNEY OF COOK
COUNTY IN ILLINOIS HAS
FILED SUIT AGAINST
Facebook AND CAMBRIDGE
ANALYTICA FOR CONSUMER
FRAUD.
THIS IS A MAJOR BREACH
OF TRUST, AND I'M REALLY
SORRY THAT THIS HAPPENED.
Charlene: CAMBRIDGE
ANALYTICA IS ACCUSED OF
LIFTING DATA FROM SOME
50 MILLION Facebook
USERS TO INFLUENCE VOTERS
IN THE 2016 ELECTIONS.
OUR RESPONSIBILITY NOW
IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS
DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
Charlene: THE SCANDAL
HAS EXPOSED THE LAX
SAFEGUARDS AT Facebook.
APP DEVELOPERS ALLEGEDLY
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A LACK
OF PRIVACY PROTECTIONS TO
SNAG PERSONAL DATA FROM
TENS OF MILLIONS OF
Facebook USERS AND USE
THAT INFO FOR POLITICS.
BILLIONS OF USERS ARE
STARTING TO DISCOVER WHAT
CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE WITH
DATE THAT SEEMS SOMEWHAT
INNOCUOUS, LIKE BABY
PICTURES AND LIKES OF
ARTICLES THEY'VE READ
SOMEWHERE ON THE INTERNET.
Marisa: O Charlene: ON
MOVEMENT, Facebook WAS
HIT BY ANOTHER
CONTROVERSY, AT
REVELATIONS THEY HAVE BEEN
STORING TONS OF CONTACT
INFORMATION OF ANDROID
USERS.
THE COMPANY ACKNOWLEDGES
IN 2015, IT BEGAN
UPLOADING CALL AND TEXT
LOGS FROM PHONES RUNNING
GOOGLE'S ANDROID SYSTEM
THROUGH ITS MESSENGER APP
AND LATER THROUGH
Facebook LIGHT.
THE FALLOUT INVOLVING
Facebook HAS MANY,
INCLUDING APPLE'S TIM
COOK, CALLING FOR NEW
PRIVACY LAWS.
WHAT I HEARD WAS A SET
OF ASPIRATIONS AND A
DESIRE TO EARN BACK THE
TRUST OF ITS USERS.
WHAT IS PROBLEMATIC ABOUT
THAT IS THAT Facebook
REALLY HASN'T CHANGED ITS
BUSINESS MODEL SINCE ITS
INCEPTION, WHICH IS, IT
HARVESTS THE DATE OF ITS
USERS AND SELLS THAT DATA
TO AVERTISERS, OR IN THIS
CASE, TO AN ACADEMIC
RESEARCHER IN ENGLAND, WHO
USED IT AND SOLD TO
CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA.
Charlene: MEANWHILE,
AFTER WORD OF THE F.C.C.
INVESTIGATION, Facebook
STOCK HAS PLUMMETTED BY
MORE THAN $70 BILLION.
CHARLENE AARON, CBN NEWS.
Gordon: THE STORY HAS
A LOT OF RAMIFICATIONS.
IF YOU'VE EVER USED
Facebook TO SIGN IN TO
ANOTHER APP, DID YOU
REALIZE THAT YOU WERE
SHARING ALL OF YOUR
Facebook INFORMATION
WERE THAT APP DEVELOPER?
AND THEN IF YOU'RE AN
ANDROID CHROME USERS, DO
YOU REALLY WANT THE
METADATA ON ALL OF YOUR
TEXTS, ALL OF YOUR PHONE
CALLS -- SO WHO YOU YOU
CALLED, HOW LONG YOU
TALKED -- ALL WITHIN YOUR
Facebook PROFILE?
THESE ARE PRIVACY ISSUES,
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT,
THERE WASN'T FULL
DISCLOSURE ON WHAT
Facebook WAS GOING TO DO
WITH THE DATA OR HOW IT
WAS GOING TO USE THE DATA.
QUITE CLEARLY, THERE IS A
PROFILE, AND THEY'RE
SELLING THAT INFORMATION
TO AVERTISERS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG
YEAR FOR Facebook, IN MY
OPINION, AND WE'RE GOING
TO SEE MORE OF THIS
HASHTAG DELETE Facebook.
> AND OTHER NEWS, RUSSIA
IS FACING A GLOBAL
CRACKDOWN FOR ITS BAD
BEHAVIOR.
JOHN JESSUP HAS MORE ON
THAT STORY FROM OUR NEWS
BUREAU IN WASHINGTON.
John: PRESIDENT TRUMP
IS KICKING OUT 60 RUSSIAN
DIPLOMATS FROM THE UNITED
STATES AFTER A NERVE GAS
ATTACK IN THE UNITED
KINGDOM.
THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS THE
OUSTED RUSSIANS ARE ALL
SPIES.
THE U.S. ALSO CLOSED THE
RUSSIAN CONSULATE IN
SEATTLE, WHICH WAS DEEMED
A COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE
THREAT.
THE ABILITY OF RUSSIA
TO SPY ON AMERICANS AND
CONDUCT COVERT ACTIVITIES
THAT THREATEN AMERICA'S
NATIONAL SECURITY...
ABOUT 20 WESTERN
COUNTRIES HAVE EXPELLED
MORE THAN 120 RUSSIAN
DIPLOMATS, WHICH INCLUDES
NEARLY TWO DOZEN IN THE
UNITED KINGDOM.
THEY PUNISHING MOSCOW FOR
THE ALLEGED POISONING OF A
FORMER RUSSIAN SPY AND HIS
DAUGHTER.
> THE F.B.I. IS
INVESTIGATING THE DELIVERY
OF SUSPICIOUS PACKAGES
SENT TO THE MILITARY AND
INTELLIGENCE FACILITIES
HERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
HALF A DOZEN PACKAGES WERE
SHIPPED THROUGH THE MAIL.
THEY ALL CONTAINED
EXPLOSIVE COMPONENTS.
FORTUNATELY, NO ONE WAS
HURT.
EACH OF THE PACKAGES HAS
BEEN COLLECTED FOR FURTHER
ANALYSIS.
> A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR
HAS BEEN KILLED IN PARIS
IN AN EVIDENT
ANTI-SEMITISM MURDER.
THE POLICE HAVE ARRESTED A
NEIGHBOR AND A HOMELESS
MAN IN THE CASE.
LAST YEAR A SIMILAR ATTACK
TOOK PLACE.
> TURKEY IS PARTNERING
WITH ISLAMIC JIHADISTS TO
CONQUER SYRIA.
NOW CHRISTIANS FROM THE
TOWN OF AFRIN ARE RUNNING
FOR THEIR LIVES, CHASED
DOWN BY BLOOD THIRTY
TERRORISTS.
CHRIS MITCHELL HAS THEIR
STORY.
Chris: AS THE BATTLE
OVER AFRIN GREW CLOSER TO
THE CITY, MANY CHRISTIANS
FOUND THEMSELVES IN GRAVE
DANGER.
THIS IS A CHURCH SERVICE
OF THE CHRISTIANS CRYING
OUT TO GOD FOR
DELIVERANCE, AS TURKISH
AND ISLAMIC FORCES DROVE
TOWARDS AFRIN.
CHARMAINE HEADING, OF
HELPING THE PERSECUTED
CHURCH IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
KEPT IN CHURCH WITH MANY
OF THESE CHRISTIANS.
A LOT OF INFORMATION
WAS COMING TO THEM THAT
WHEN THESE DIFFERENT CAME
AND SUPPORTED THIS RADICAL
ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY, THAT
WERE SEEN WITH ISIS AND
al-QAEDA, THAT THEY WOULD
BEHEAD THE CHRISTIANS AND
THEY WOULD KILL THEM.
AND BECAUSE OF MANY OF
THESE CHRISTIANS WERE
ORIGINALLY MUSLIM
BACKGROUND BELIEVERS, THEY
WERE PARTICULARLY GOING TO
BE TARGETED.
Chris: CBN NEWS
LEARNED OF AN ADDED
DANGER, JIHADISTS BROKE
INTO THE CHURCH, FOUND
PICTURES OF SOME
BELIEVERS, AND ARE
DISTRIBUTING THEM AND
HUNTING THEM DOWN DOOR TO
DOOR.
THEY SAY OUR SITUATION
IS VERY DANGEROUS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO
BECAUSE THEY FOUND PHOTOS
IN THE CHURCH BUILDINGS,
AND THEY'RE SEARCHING FOR
THE BELIEVERS NOW IN
AFRIN.
SO THE MAN IS CRYING.
HE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
Chris: HE SAYS MOST
OF THE CHRISTIAN FAMILIES
HAVE FOUND SAFE HAVEN, BUT
SAYS THE CHURCH IN THE
WEST NEEDS TO PRAY FOR ITS
FELLOW BELIEVERS IN
DISTRESS.
THEY SHOULD PRAY FOR
THEIR SAFETY.
THEY SHOULD PRAY THAT
THESE FAMILIES WILL BE
ABLE TO STAY TOGETHER
BECAUSE IN THESE
CHRONICALLY DESPERATE
SITUATIONS, WHERE MASSES
OF PEOPLE ARE FLEEING,
FAMILIES CAN GET LOST, AND
LITTLE ONES CAN GET HURT.
SO WE NEED TO PRAY FOR
THESE FAMILIES, THAT
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO STAY
TOGETHER.
Chris: CAMAL SETO OF
THE SOCIETY FOR THREATENED
PEOPLES TOLD CBN NEWS THE
WEST NEEDS TO HELP.
THE U.S.A. AND
CHRISTIANS HAVE TO HELP
CHRISTIANS IN TURKEY,
IRAQ, AND IRAN.
IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
TO SUPPORT KURDISH PEOPLE
IN THIS SITUATION, TO
PROTECT KURDS, BECAUSE WE
NEED KURDS AS ALLIES IN
THE FIGHTING AGAINST
RADICAL IDEAS IN THE
MIDDLE EAST.
Chris: HEADING SAYS
WHAT IS TAKING PLACE IN
AFRIN IS ETHNIC CLEANSING
ON A MASSIVE SCALE.
WE'VE KNOW SOMEWHAT THE
STATEMENTS THAT THEY'VE
MADE, THAT THEY WANT TO
GET RID OF THE PEOPLE IN
THIS AREA AND BRING IN
OTHER PEOPLE FROM SYRIA.
IT IS POPULATION
DISPLACEMENT.
Chris: FOLLOWING THE
BATTLE OVER AFRIN, MANY
MIDDLE EAST OBSERVERS FEEL
TURKEY AND THESE ISLAMIC
GROUPS WILL CONTINUE TO
EXPAND AND TRY TO CONQUER
MORE TERRITORY.
CHRIS MITCHELL, CBN NEWS,
JERUSALEM.
John: THANKS, CHRIS.
GORDON, AS CHRIS JUST
SAID, PRAYERS ARE NEEDED
FOR THE CHRISTIANS IN
AFRIN.
Gordon: AND WE NEED
TO BE AWARE OF THE RISE OF
TURKEY RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE BEEN REPORTING ON
SEVERAL STORIES THAT ARE
VERY DISTURBING ABOUT AN
INCREASE IN THEIR DESIRE
TO RESUME THE OTTOMAN
EMPIRE, TO RESUME THE
CALIPHATE, TO BE THE HEAD
OF ALL OF THAT, AND TO GO
BACK TO THE BORDERS AND
HOW THEY WERE BEFORE WORLD
WAR I.
AND IF THAT'S THEIR STATED
GOAL -- THEY'VE TALKED
ABOUT RAISING AN ISLAMIC
ARMY TO ATTACK ISRAEL.
WHAT HAPPENED IN TURKEY
AFTER WORLD WAR I, AN
ETHNIC CLEANSING OF
MONUMENTAL PROPORTIONS,
WHERE THEY EITHER KILLED
OR KICKED OUT EVERY SINGLE
CHRISTIAN IN THE COUNTRY.
AND THEN YOU ADD TO THAT,
BEFORE WORLD WAR I, THE
ARMENIAN MASSACRES, THE
GENOCIDE OF ARMENIA.
WHEN THIS GETS UNLEASHED
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE
PREPARED FOR IT.
BUT WILL WE RESPOND TO IT?
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
QUESTION.
AND ARE WE GOING TO
RESPOND NOW WITH PRAYERS?
BUT FROM A DIPLOMATIC
STANDPOINT, TURKEY IS AN
ANCHOR COUNTRY IN THE NATO
ALLIANCE.
IF THEY CONTINUE DOWN THIS
PATH, WHAT WILL NATO DO?
TERRY?
Terry: WELL,ALITY
YEARWELL, EIGHTYEARS AFTER AN EARTHQUAKE
DEVASTATED HAITI, ONE MAN
IS ON A MISSION TO HELP
THE NATION REBUILD.
BUT FIRST HE HAS TO TEACH
THEM HOW TO BUILD.
WE HAVE TO BUILD A
CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY AND
INVEST IN THE WORKERS.
Terry: HEAR HOW THIS
COMPANY IS ALSO REBUILDING
LIVES, WHEN WE RETURN.
Gordon: THE COUNTRY
Gordon: THE COUNTRY
OF HAITI HAS BEEN WRECKED
BY EARTHQUAKES,
HURRICANES, AND RAMPANT
POVERTY.
STILL, THERE ARE SOME WHO
HOLD OUT HOPE FOR THE
ISLAND NATION.
ERIK ROSALES SHOWS US HOW
ONE MAN IS WORKING TO
BRING THE GOSPEL TO HAITI
AND EMPOWER ITS PEOPLE TO
REBUILD.
Reporter: IT HAS BEEN
MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS
SINCE THE COUNTRY OF HAITI
WAS HIT BY A 7.0 MAGNITUDE
EARTHQUAKE, AND DESPITE
BILLIONS IN HUMANITARIAN
AID, CORRUPTION HAS FORCED
MUCH OF THE COUNTRY TO
CONTINUE TO LIVE IN
DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS.
AND WHILE ORGANIZATIONS
WORK TO TREAT THE
CONSEQUENCES OF EXTREME
POVERTY, THEY AREN'T
PROVIDED SOLUTIONS TO
REDUCE HAITI'S DE DEE DEE DEPENDENCY
ON FOREIGN AID.
ONE MAN WANTS TO CHANGE
THAT.
IT IS ONE OF THE MOST
DIFFICULT, FRUSTRATING,
REWARDING THINGS I'VE EVER
DONE.
I THINK FOR ME, BECAUSE OF
MY PERSONALITY, THE
FRUSTRATION IS I WANT
THINGS TO MOVE FASTER AND
STUFF, AND I LOVE BUILDING
THINGS, BUT WE HAVE TO
INVEST IN THE PEOPLE
FIRST.
Reporter: SHERMAN
BULGE, A CONTRACTOR, FIRST
CAME HERE MONTHS AFTER THE
EARTHQUAKE.
HE AND HIS WIFE, CHERYL,
WERE STRUCK BY HOW POOR
CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS
CONTRIBUTED TO SO MUCH OF
THE DEVASTATION.
MY HUSBAND BEING A
BUILDER, WE THOUGHT, LET'S
GO HELP REBUILD.
BUT THEN IT BECAME EVIDENT
THERE WERE MANY HAITIANS
WHO WERE NOT WORKING,
DIDN'T HAVE HOPE IN THEIR
DAILY LIVES, SO WHY NOT
TEACH THEM HOW TO BUILD
PROPERLY?
Reporter: THAT
DESIRE, COMBINED WITH HELP
FROM THEIR LOCAL CHURCH,
HELPED CREATE "ESTOLO,"
WHICH MEANS RAISE UP IN
LATIN.
THEY STARTED BY USING
HAITIAN WORKERS TO HELPED
BUILD SEVERAL ORPHANAGES.
WE HAVE TO BUILD A
CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY AND
INVEST IN THE WORKERS.
WE USE THE APPRENTICESHIP
METHOD BY EARNING AND
LEARNING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING
FOR JOBS, BUT I DIDN'T
HAVE ANY SKILL.
BUT I'D BEEN LOOKING FOR
SOMEONE TO TEACH ME HOW TO
DO THINGS.
Reporter: AS PART OF
THE ORPHANAGE CONSTRUCTION
CREW, ALTO LEARNED BASIC
MASONRY, CARPENTRY, AND
PLUMBING SKILLS.
THE COUPLE IS QUICK TO ADD
THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT
LEARNING A TRADE.
IT IS ALSO ABOUT LEARNING
ABOUT GOD AND LIVING A
LIFE LIKE JESUS.
PART OF THE TRAINING
INCLUDES LEADERSHIP
CLASSES FOR THE
APPRENTICES.
STEVE MADSON TALKED ABOUT
LIVING A LIFE OF INTEGRITY
AND RESPECT.
AFTER A QUICK FLIGHT TO
LOGANOF, A SMALL ISLAND
ABOUT 50 MILES FROM
PORT-AU-PRINCE AND A WHITE
KNUCKLE LANDING ON A DIRT
RUNWAY, WE SAW THE JESUS
HOME FOR CHILDREN VILLAGE,
PROVIDING A NEW LIFE FOR
MORE THAN 150 ORPHANS.
"ESTOLO" HAS BUILT A
BEAUTIFUL VILLAGE FOR THE
KIDS.
IT IS MORE THAN I COULD
ASK FOR.
GOD HAS ANSWERED OUR
PRAYERS.
Reporter: YOU CAN SEE
THIS PATIO, AND THIS IS
WHERE THE KIDS HAVE THEIR
SUNDAY SERVICE.
AROUND THE COURTYARD ARE
10 HOMES, INSIDE EACH
HOME, ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO
15 KIDS.
AND EACH HOME HAS A HOME
MOM.
SHE WANTS TO HAVE THE KIDS
INTERACT WITH THEIR HOME
MOM AND ALSO EACH OTHER,
AND THIS WAY THEY'LL GROW
IN SPIRIT.
YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT,
BUT MORE THAN HALF OF THE
PEOPLE HERE LIVE ON LESS
THAN $2 A DAY.
SOME 70% ARE UNDEREMPLOYED
OR SIMPLY HAVE NO JOB.
MOST CAN'T AFFORD EVEN
BASIC HOUSING, SO PARENTS
OFTEN GIVE UP THEIR KIDS.
TO HELP KEEP FAMILIES
TOGETHER, MADAM SOLLY
OPENS HER DOORS DAILY HO
GIVE THEM MEALS.
SHE SAYS, I WANT TO
RAISE THIS KIDS UP TO LOVE
THE LORD AND NOT ADOPT
THEM OUT, BUT TO BE THE
CHANGE IN OUR COUNTRY, TO
THE LEADERS.
Reporter: LEADERS
LIKE JOHN BOUTIST, WHO IS
BUILDING HIS OWN HOME,
HELPING NEIGHBORS WITH
REPAIRS, AND PROVIDING FOR
HIS FAMILY.
WHEN I MET "ESTOLO,"
EVERY MORNING PEOPLE
STARTED TO PRAY, TALKING
ABOUT GOD, AND USING THE
BIBLE.
Reporter: MORE
IMPORTANTLY, HE HAS
ACCEPTED THE LORD AND NOW
LEADS BIBLE CLASSES.
HHIS DREAM IS TO CREATE
BUILDINGS TO WITHSTAND ANY
FUTURE QUACKS, AND TO
PROVIDE FOR HAITIANS.
THE LORD HAS BLESSED
US, AND WE, IN TURN, WANT
TO BE A BLESSING TO THE
PEOPLE OF HAITI.
Reporter: "ESTOLO"
OFFICIALS ARE BUILDING THE
NEXT GENERATION OF
CHRISTIAN LEADERS AND
BUILDERRINGBUILDERS, TO BRING
POSITIVE CHANGE TO THE
COUNTRY OF HAITI.
ERIK
Gordon: HAITI IS A
PRIME EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO
IN AND REBUILD, BUT YOU'RE
NOT FOCUSED ON THE PEOPLE
AND BUILDING THE PEOPLE,
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO MISS.
HERE WE ARE EIGHT YEARS
LATER, AND THIS MINISTRY
HAS IT RIGHT.
HOW DO WE CHANGE THINGS?
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEARN
MORE ABOUT HOW THIS
MINISTRY IS HELPING THE
PEOPLE OF HAITI, YOU CAN
FIND THE LINK FOR ESTOLO
INTERNATIONAL AT
cbnnews.com.
LET ME JUST MAKE ANOTHER
COMMENT HERE: CULTURE
MATTERS.
I KNOW IT IS NOT
POLITICALLY CORRECT TO
SINGLE OUT A RELIGION, BUT
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A NATION
THAT HAS GIVEN OVER TO
VOO-DOO, AND YOU HEARD IT
IN THE STORY, MY RELATIVES
PRACTICE VOO-DOO, AND THEY
DO THIS EVERY DAY, AND BY
COMING HERE I LEARNED
ABOUT JESUS AND I LEARNED
ABOUT THE BIBLE.
I WAS GIVEN A BIBLE AND WE
PRAY EVERY DAY, AND I'M
NOTICING A DIFFERENCE --
WELL, TAKE A LOOK AT A
MAP.
GO LOOK AT HAITI AND THEN
LOOK NEXT DOOR.
SAME ISLAND, SAME NATURAL
RESOURCES, BUT THE
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC IS SO
MUCH DIFFERENT THAN HAITI.
THE STANDARD OF LIVING IS
SO DIFFERENT AND IT IS
BECAUSE IT IS NOT GIVEN
OVER TO VOO-DOO.
WE'VE GOT TO REALIZE IT.
IN WHAT WE DO, HOW WE
DELIVER INTERNATIONAL AID,
HOW WE HELP PEOPLE, THE
VERY FIRST THING YOU HAVE
TO DO IS BUILD THE
INDIVIDUAL.
THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS
TO LET THEM KNOW THEY'RE A
CHILD OF GOD.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORSHIP
DEMONS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN
THIS SUPERSTITIOUS WORLD.
THEY CAN WALK FREE OF ALL
OF THAT.
IT REALLY DOES MATTER.
AND THE GOSPEL REALLY
MATTERS.
YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF
WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
IT WAS BUILT ON THE
GOSPEL.
AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE
THAT.
TERRY?
Terry: AMEN.
> WELL, COMING UP, AN
ATHEIST SHARES THE MOMENT
SHE RENOUNCED HER BELIEF
IN GOD, AND IT WASN'T WHAT
SHE WAS EXPECTING.
I REMEMBER THE MOMENT
THAT I REALLY THOUGHT
MAYBE THIS ISN'T TRUE.
IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY HAD
DIED.
IT WAS LIKE A DARKNESS HAD
GONE OVER ME.
Terry: FIND OUT WHAT
BROUGHT HER BACK TO THE
FAITH, WHEN WE COME BACK.
Terry: VERONICA
FANCIED HERSELF AS AN
INTELLECTUAL, AND SHE
COULDN'T WRAP HER MIND
AROUND HOW A SUPPOSED
AWESOME GOD COULD ALLOW
CERTAIN THINGS.
SO SHE WENT ON A QUEST FOR
DISCOVERY, AND HERE IS HOW
SHE FOUND THE TRUTH SHE
HAD ALWAYS BEEN LOOKING
FOR.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED
ORCHESTRA.
WE'RE PLAYING BAI BEETHOVEN.
PEOPLE ADMIRED BY MUSIC,
MY TALENT.
Reporter: SHE GREW UP
IN A LOVING FAMILY IN SAN
FRANCISCO.
BOTH HER MOM AND DAD WERE
PASTORS, SO FAITH AND
CHURCH WERE THE CENTER OF
THEIR LIVES.
MY DAD IS VERY
THEOLOGY, PHILOSOPHICALLY
SO, SO ANY QUESTIONS WE
ASKED, HE WAS NEVER
INTIMIDATED.
AND MOM ADDED THIS ELEMENT
OF WONDER TO OUR BELIEF.
GOD IS INFUSED IN WHO WE
ARE, AND HE ALLOWS US TO
BE WHO WE WANT TO BE.
Reporter: BUT AT 12
YEARS OLD, VERONICA WOULD
QUESTION EVERYTHING SHE
HAD BEEN TAUGHT.
A SPLIT IN THEIR CHURCH
COMPELLED THEIR PARENTS TO
TAKE A SABBATICAL AND MOVE
TO CENTRAL CALIFORNIA.
FOR VERONICA, IT WAS
DEVASTATING TO REALIZE THE
CHURCH WASN'T PERFECT
AFTER ALL.
WHEN I WAS AROUND
BROKENNESS, IT WAS HARD TO
BE AROUND IT BECAUSE I
DIDN'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS
BROKEN AND WEAK.
I WANTED TO BE SOMEBODY
WHO COULD BE ADMIRED.
I'M JUST, LIKE, GOD, CAN
PEOPLE BE SUCCESSFUL IN
CHRISTIANITY?
Reporter: IT ALSO
AFFECTED HER VIEW OF GOD.
I STARTED TO GO, WAIT A
MINUTE.
WHY WOULD SOMEBODY SO
AWESOME ALLOW SO MUCH
DIVISION AND PAIN AND
EMOTIONAL TURMOIL?
Reporter: THE ONLY
IDENTITY SHE FELT SURE OF
WAS BEING A MUSICIAN.
AT 16 SHE ENROLLED IN
COLLEGE CLASSES AND JOINED
THE ORCHESTRA.
SHE STARTED MEETING PEOPLE
WITH DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.
MOST OF WHICH WERE OPPOSED
TO CHRISTIANITY.
NOT WANTING TO STAND OUT,
SHE KEPT HER BELIEFS TO
HERSELF.
MY SELF-CONFIDENCE WAS
DETERMINED BY HOW PEOPLE
THOUGHT OF ME.
IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR ME
TO BE IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES
LIKE COLLEGE, WHERE THEY
MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE AN
IDIOT IF YOU BELIEVE THOSE
THINGS.
OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS
DEFINITELY STARTED
AFFECTING MY OWN.
AND WHEN I STARTED TO
COMPARE AND CONTRAST, I
WAS, LIKE, WHAT DO I
BELIEVE?
Reporter: EVEN MORE
INFLUENTIAL WAS A MAN SHE
MET 13 YEARS HER SENIOR.
HE WAS A MUSICIAN AND AN
OUTSPOKEN ATHEIST.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
I WAS, LIKE, WHAT IS IT
LIKE TO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD
OR NOT TO HAVE THESE
VALUES OR EXPECTATIONS
UPON YOURSELF, THAT YOU
YOU HAVE TO ACT A CERTAIN
WAY.
WHY DO I HAVE TO ACT A
CERTAIN WAY?
Reporter: THE TWO
STARTED DATING, DESPITE
HER PARENTS' STRONG
OBJECTIONS.
AT 18, SHE TOLD THEM SHE
WAS LEAVING.
I SAID, WELL, VERONICA,
IF YOU WALK AWAY, THAT'S
YOUR DECISION.
BUT WE'RE YOU'RE PARENTS.
WE LOVE YOU.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE WHAT
IS GOING ON BETWEEN YOU
AND THIS GUY.
THAT SAME WEEK THAT SHE
WALKED AWAY, WE HAD A
MINISTERS' RETREAT, AND
THE PASTOR OF THAT
RETREAT, HIS FIRST -- HIS
MESSAGE WAS ABOUT HIS
DAUGHTER, A PRODIGAL.
AND SO THAT JUST TRIGGERED
TO ME THAT SHE HAS BECOME
A PRODIGAL.
Reporter: THAT SAME
YEAR VERONICA WENT TO UCLA
ON A MUSIC SCHOLARSHIP.
SHE SPENT THE NEXT THREE
YEARS PARTYING, PLAYING
MUSIC, AND SEARCHING FOR
THE TRUTH.
SHE HAD LITTLE CONTACT
WITH HER PARENTS, WHO
CONTINUED TO PRAY.
VERONICA'S NAME WAS FIRST
ON THE LIST WHEN THEIR
CHURCH STARTED A PRAYER
WALL.
I DEPENDED ON MY
FRIENDS THAT BELIEVED THAT
GOD WAS GOING TO BRING HER
BACK.
SO SOMETIMES I WOULD GET
REALLY WEAK.
I COULD TELL.
I'M, LIKE, OH, THIS IS
NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND I'D GET SO TIRED.
Reporter: MEANWHILE,
VERONICA DESIRED THE ONLY
WAY TO QUIET THE BATTLE IN
HER MIND WAS TO DISMISS
HER CHRISTIAN FAITH.
I REMEMBERED THE MOMENT
THAT I REALLY THOUGHT
MAYBE THIS ISN'T TRUE.
IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY HAD
DIED.
IT WAS LIKE A DARKNESS HAD
GONE OVER ME.
AND I REALLY WISHED
THROUGH IT.
I THOUGHT, OKAY, I'M NOT
GOING TO FIGHT THIS
ANYMORE.
Reporter: AFTER
GRADUATION, SHE BROKE UP
WITH HER BOYFRIEND AND
TOOK A JOB AS A PRESCHOOL
TEACHER IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.
EXHAUSTEDEEXHAUSTED IRRITABLE MOST
OF THE TIME, HER ONLY WAY
TO RELAX WAS YOGA AND
SMOKING POT.
I DIDN'T HAVE MUSIC OR
INTELLECTUALISM ANYMORE.
I HAD THE PARTYING, BUT
THEN THAT WAS REALLY ROUGH
ON MY BODY, SO I DIDN'T
HAVE ANY ENERGY ANYMORE.
I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH
ELSE AT THAT POINT.
Reporter: ALSO LIVING
IN HOUSTON WAS HER OLDER
SISTER, WHO WORKED AT A
CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER.
UNLIKE VERONICA, SHE HAD
HELD ON TO HER CHRISTIAN
FAITH AND HAD JOY IN HER
LIFE.
I STARTED TALKING TO
HER MORE, ASKING HER MORE
QUESTIONS, ASKING HER
ABOUT GOD.
AND THERE WAS JUST A DEPTH
THERE THAT STARTED PEAKING
MY INTEREST.
THIS IS MORE THAN WHAT I
HEARD OF.
THIS IS A DAILY WALK.
THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE
SHE IS GETTING REFRESHED
EVERY DAY.
Reporter: THEN IN
MARCH 2015, VERONICA WAS
IN A BAD CAR ACCIDENT BUT
WALKED AWAY WITH NO
INJURIES.
HER SISTER POINTED OUT
THAT GOD HAD PROTECTED HER
FOR A REASON.
AND THEN SHE LOOKED AT
ME SQUARE IN THE EYE.
AND SHE SAID, DO YOU THINK
IT WAS A COINCIDENCE THAT
YOU DIDN'T GET HURT IN
YOUR CAR ACCIDENT?
AND I REALIZED AT THAT
MOMENT THAT PEOPLE WERE
PRAYING FOR ME.
AND I WAS, LIKE, YOU KNOW,
I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE IT
A TRY.
IT WAS A VERY
NON-SPIRITUAL PRAYER.
I WAS JUST, LIKE, JESUS,
IF YOU'RE THERE, I GIVE MY
LIFE TO YOU.
I HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS.
DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WANT.
Reporter: HER SISTER
GAVE HER A BOOK ABOUT
CHRISTIANITY, ATHEISM, AND
THE TRUTH ABOUT CREATION
IN GENESIS.
AND YOU START SEEING
THAT IT IS THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD
AND MAN, AND THE
REDEMPTION THAT IS THERE,
THAT YOU CANNOT FIND IN
DRUGS.
YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN
INTELLECTUALISM.
YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN YOUR
FRIENDSHIPS.
YOU CAN'T FIND IN YOUR
RELATIONSHIPS.
YOU CAN'T FIND IN YOUR
FAMILY.
YOU CAN'T FIND IN
YOURSELF.
IT WAS JUST A BIG MOMENT
FOR ME.
Reporter: WITH
RENEWED FAITH, SHE GREW IN
HER RELATIONSHIP WITH
CHRIST.
GOD SHOWED HER THAT HIS
PLAN IS BETTER THAN HER
DESIRE TO BE PART OF THE
CROWD.
GOD REALLY CHALLENGED
THAT AND SAID, NO, THAT'S
NOT WHAT IT IS ABOUT.
IT IS ABOUT YOU BEING YOU.
AND ALLOWING ME TO BE
GLORIFIED WITHIN WHO YOU
ARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I
CREATED YOU TO BE.
MY IDENTITY IS IN CHRIST
AND HOW HE HAS FORGIVEN
ME.
Reporter: WHEN THEY
LEARNED THEIR PRAYERS FOR
VERONICA HAD BEEN
ANSWERED, KENNY AND NICKY
SHARED THE GOOD NEWS WITH
THEIR CHURCH LEADER.
I SAID, WHAT DO WE DO
WITH THEIR NAMES ONCE OUR
PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED.
I WAS LIKE PRAISE THE
LORD, VERONICA IS BETTER.
SO WE PUT VERONICA ON THE
VERY TOP.
THE FIRST NAME THAT SHE
HAD COME BACK TO THE LORD.
Reporter: VERONICA
MARRIED IN 2018, AND USES
HER PASSION FOR MUSIC AS A
WORSHIP LEADER IN
CHILDREN'S MINISTRY.
SHE KNOWS HER TRUE
IDENTITY AND JOY COME
THROUGH CHRIST.
HE CREATED ME FOR A
PURPOSE.
I'M HERE BECAUSE HE LOVES
ME.
I HAVE A WALK THAT I'M ON
AND A JOURNEY TO BE
FINISHED FAITHFULLY.
I'M WAITING FOR THAT DAY
WHEN HE SAYS, WELL-DONE,
GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT.
HELP ME TO BE A GOOD AND
FAITHFUL SERVANT.
Terry: YOU KNOW, IT'S
NOT AN EASY THING TO
FOLLOW JESUS.
BUT IT'S REALLY NOT AN
EASY THING TO TRY TO MAKE
IT OUT THERE IN THE WORLD.
YOU KNOW, THE VOICES ARE
LOUD.
WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHO
YOU ARE -- AND LOTS OF
PEOPLE DON'T, WHETHER
THEY'RE 16 OR 60 -- THEN
OFTEN YOU ALLOW YOURSELF
TO BE DEFINED BY THE
PEOPLE AND THE
CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE
SITUATIONS AROUND YOU.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
VERONICA FIND WAS THAT
THERE WAS NO JOY IN THAT.
I SO RELATED TO HER VERY
SORT OF SARCASTIC,
TENTATIVE PRAYER TO GOD
BECAUSE IT IS EXACTLY THE
SAME ONE THAT I PRAYED.
SO SCARRED BY THE WORLD.
SO DISAPPOINTED.
SO LOST, JUST LOST.
THAT ONE DAY I, TOO, SAID,
GOD, IF THERE IS A GOD,
JESUS, IF YOU'RE REAL, I
GIVE YOU WHAT'S LEFT OF MY
LIFE.
AND YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU
WANT WITH IT.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT THERE, I
KNOW WHERE I WAS IF I
DIDN'T SAY THIS PRAYER.
IT WAS HARD TO TRUST, HARD
TO BELIEVE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LET THE
WORLD IN, THEY'LL DESTROY
YOU.
ALL THE WORLD -- ALL THE
WATER IN THE WORLD CAN'T
SINK A SHIP UNLESS IT GETS
INSIDE, SO BE CAREFUL WHAT
YOU LET INSIDE.
BUT ONCE YOU'VE DONE THAT,
UNDERSTAND THAT THE ARMS
OF GOD ARE ALWAYS
STRETCHED OUT TO YOU.
YOU CAN'T BE TOO BAD, GO
TOO FAR, SIN TOO MUCH TO
NOT BE ABLE TO BE RECEIVED
BACK INTO THE ARMS OF YOUR
LOVING FATHER.
YOU SEE, YOU WERE CREATED
FOR THAT.
WE ARE CREATED TO BE
RELATIONAL.
WE EACH OTHER, YES, BUT
FIRST AND FOREMOST WITH
THE ONE WHO CREATED US.
WE'VE GOT NOTHING TO GIVE
UNTIL WE HAVE THAT.
IT'S NOT BAD TO BE ON A
SEARCH.
I THINK WE'RE ALL
SEARCHING FOR SIGNIFICANCE
IN OUR LIVES.
WHAT'S BAD IS WHEN YOU
RULE OUT ALLOWING THE ONE
WHO CREATED YOU WITH THAT
VERY NEED INSIDE OF YOU.
IT'S AT THE CORE OF YOUR
BEING.
AND YOU DON'T GIVE HIM THE
SAME OPPORTUNITY YOU GIVE
EVERYTHING ELSE.
ALL OF TALENT, ALL THE
DRUGS, ALL THE SEX, ALL
THE THAT THTHAT THE WORLD HAS TO
OFFER, THE FAME, THE
GLORY -- NONE OF IT WILL
SATISFY YOU YOU BECAUSE
THAT'S NOT THE PUZZLE
PIECE THAT FITS WHAT FILLS
YOUR HEART.
IT'S ONLY A RELATIONSHIP
WITH YOUR LOVING FATHER,
WHO KNOWS YOU BY NAME.
THE BIBLE SAYS HE HAS
CARVED YOUR NAME IN THE
PALM OF HIS HAND.
NOT A SPARROW FALLS FROM
THE TREE THAT HE DOESN'T
SEE IT.
WHY DO BAD THINGS HAPPEN
TO GOOD PEOPLE?
IT'S PART OF THE LIFE
WE'RE IN HERE.
YOU HEARD VERONICA SAY,
WE'RE ON A JOURNEY, MY
FRIENDS.
AND THE GOAL IS NOT TO BE
HAPPY EVERY DAY WITH EVERY
SITUATION.
IT'S TO GET OVER THE
FINISH LINE.
SO I WOULD SAY TO YOU
TODAY, ARE YOU RUNNING THE
RACE?
ARE YOU WALKING OUT YOUR
JOURNEY?
ARE YOU FILLED WITH THE
KIND OF JOY THAT SUSTAINS
YOU EVEN IN THE MIDST OF
LOSS?
BECAUSE YOU CAN BE.
YOU CAN BE.
JESUS DIED TO SAVE YOU AND
ME FROM WHO WE ARE WITHOUT
HIM.
TODAY, COME HOME TO THE
FATHER HEART OF GOD.
COME HOME.
JUST SAY, JESUS, I'M A
SINNER IN NEED OF A
SAVIOR.
COME INTO MY HEART AND MY
LIFE.
I OPEN THE DOOR.
I GIVE IT TO YOU.
MAKE SOMETHING THAT
MATTERS OUT OF MY LIFE.
TEACH ME MORE ABOUT WHO
YOU ARE.
CHANGE THE WAY I THINK
WITHOUT YOU.
I WANT TO RUN THE RACE
WITH GUSTO.
I WANT TO GET OVER THE
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Gordon: STILL AHEAD,
THE CASE FOR AND AGAINST
THE EXISTENCE OF DIVINE
MIRACLES IN OUR WORLD.
BEST-SELLING AUTHOR LEE
STROBEL SHARES STORIES OF
PEOPLE WHO BEAT THE ODDS
AND SHARES WHAT THE
EXPERTS THINK ABOUT THE
SUPERNATURAL.
Wendy: AND WELCOME
BACK TO "THE 700 CLUB."
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EDUCATION."
SHE WAS REJECTED WHEN HER
FATHER TRIED TO SIGN HER
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SCHOOL IN KANSAS.
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U.S. SUPREME COURT IN 1954
AND LED TO THE END OF
RACIAL SEGREGATION IN
SCHOOLS.
BROWN DIED SUNDAY AT THE
AGE OF 76.
> WELL, FAITH-BASED
FILMS DID VERY WELL AT THE
BOX OFFICE FOR A SECOND
STRAIGHT WEEKEND, SCORING
IN THE TOP 10.
"I CAN ONLY IMAGINE"
CAPTURED THE THIRD SPOT
ONCE AGAIN, BEHIND "BLACK
PANTHER."
""PAUL, APOSTLE OF CHRIST"
ERNLEARNED THE NUMBER EIGHT
SPOT.
"I CAN ONLY IMAGINE" STARS
DENNIS QUAID AS AN ABUSIVE
FATHER WHO CHANGES AFTER
COMING TO CHRIST.
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ABOUT THE MOVIE'S MESSAGE
OF HEALING.
THAT GIFT THAT ARTHUR
GAVE TO BART WAS THAT BART
DIDN'T HAVE TO CARRY THAT
AROUND FOR THE REST OF HIS
LIFE.
WHICH WOULD BE A HEAVY,
HEAVY, HEAVY LOAD, YOU
KNOW?
HE BROKE THAT CHAIN, AND
IT FREED BART AS WELL.
IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL,
BEAUTIFUL STORY, REALLY.
YOU KNOW, ABOUT MAKING THE
IMPOSSIBLE POSSIBLE.
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BACK WITH MORE OF TODAY'S
"THE 700 CLUB" RIGHT AFTER
THIS.
Gordon: WELL, WE LIVE
IN AN AGE OF SKEPTICISM.
SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES
HAVE HELPED US UNDERSTAND
THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS,
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE
SITUATIONS WHERE THERE
SEEMS TO BE NO
EXPLANATION?
COULD THEY BE THE RESULT
OF MIRACLES?
WELL, WE ASKED SOME PEOPLE
ON THE STREETS TO GIVE US
THEIR TAKE ON THE ISSUE.
Reporter: THE
STATISTICS WILL SHOW THAT
MOST PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO
BELIEVE IN MIRACLES.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN
MIRACLES?
ABSOLUTELY I BELIEVE IN
MIRACLES.
I'VE HAVE NUMEROUS
THINGS HAPPEN IN MY LIFE
THAT I KNEW WERE GOD.
SOMETIMES WE DON'T NE
AN EXPLANATION.
JUST HAVE FAITH.
I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T
SEEN ANYTHING, BUT I
DEFINITELY DO BELIEVE IN
THEM.
ME, PERSONALLY, I'VE
BEEN HIT BY CARS TWICE ON
MY BICYCLE.
I WALKED AWAY FROM BOTH OF
THEM WHEN NOTHING BROKEN.
IF YOU ASKED ME THIS
THREE WEEKS AGO, I
PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAID
NO.
MIRACLES ARE KIND OF LIKE
BEAUTY, IT IS IN THE EYE
OF THE BEHOLDER.
I THINK IT IS A MIRACLE
THAT MY BEAUTIFUL GRANDSON
IS HERE.
I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
CANCER, AND TODAY I'M A
WITNESS THAT GOD IS REAL.
Gordon: FOR MORE ON
THIS, WE HAVE AUTHOR LEE
STROBEL, AND HIS LATEST
BOOK IS CALLED "THE CASE
FOR MIRACLES," AND WELCOME
BACK.
THANK YOU.
IT IS GREAT TO BE WITH
YOU.
Gordon: TELL US.
GIVE US THE ARGUMENT, WHAT
IS THE CASE FOR "MORAL MIRACLES?
LIKE YOUR PREVIOUS
STORY, ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO
WAS AN ATHEIST, I WAS AN
ATHEIST FOR MOST OF MY
LIFE.
BUT AFTER I CAME TO FAITH,
I STILL HAD MY SKEPTICAL
NATURE.
MY BACKGROUND IS IN
JOURNALISM AND LAW, SO IT
IS KIND OF WOVEN INTO MY
D.N.A.
Gordon: YOU WERE
TAUGHT TO BE SKEPTICAL?
EXACTLY.
YOU HAVE THE SAME
BACKGROUND.
I DID BELIEVE THE MIRACLES
REPORTED IN THE GOSPELS,
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF GOD
IS STILL IN THE MIRACLE
BUSINESS TODAY.
IS HE STILL DIVINELY
INTERVENING IN PEOPLE'S
LIVES TODAY?
SO I WAS SKEPTICAL ABOUT
THAT, EVEN AS A CHRISTIAN.
SO I SPENT TWO YEARS OF MY
LIFE NOW INVESTIGATING THE
EVIDENCE FOR THE
SUPERNATURAL, AND THE
RESULT IS THE BOOK, "THE
CASE FOR MIRACLES," THAT
LOOKS AT THE RESULTS OF
THAT.
I FOUND BASICALLY THREE
THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, GOD IS STILL
IN THE MIRACLE BUSINESS.
NUMBER TWO, MIRACLES ARE A
LOT MORE COMMON THAN WE
THINK.
AND, NUMBER THREE, THERE
ARE A LOT OF MIRACLES THAT
ARE FAR BETTER DOCUMENTED
THAN SKEPTICS SUPPOSE.
Gordon: WHY IS THERE
BOTH ABUNDANT EVIDENCE AND
AT THE SAME TIME IT SEEMS
TO BE CONCEALED THAT WHEN
THERE ARE STUDIES DONE OF
THOSE PRAYER WORK IN A
MEDICAL ENVIRONMENT, AND
EVEN THE TEMPLETON
FOUNDATION, THEY DID A
STUDY --
RIGHT.
Gordon: -- AND IT
DIDN'T SEEM TO SHOW ANY
DIFFERENCE.
VERY INTEREST, IT
DIDN'T.
AND YET AS I REVEAL IN MY
BOOK, THAT CHRISTIANS,,
QUOTE, UNQUOTE, WHO THEY
HAD PRAYING IN THAT STUDY,
WERE NOT CHRISTIANS.
THERE WE PART OF A SECT
THAT DIDN'T BELIEVE IN A
PERSONAL GOD, WHO DID NOT
BELIEVE THAT GOD ANSWERED
PRAYERS, THAT DID NOT
BELIEVE IN MIRACLES.
SO THE STUDY SAYS NOTHING
ABOUT THE PRAYERS OF
CHRISTIANS.
THERE ARE OTHER STUDIES,
FOR INSTANCE, ONE DONE IN
MOZAMBIQUE, WHERE A TEAM
OF RESEARCHERS CAME AND
THEY MEASURED THE EYESIGHT
AND HEARING OF THE DEAF
AND THE BLIND, AND THEY
IMMEDIATELY PRAYED FOR
THEM, AND THEY HAD PEOPLE
WHO HAD EXPERIENCE WITH
HEALINGS, LAID HANDS ON
THEM, AND IMMEDIATELY
TESTED THEM AFTERWARD, AND
VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM HAD
SOME DEGREE OF
IMPROVEMENT.
SOME ASTOUNDINGLY SO.
LIKE ATIN, WHO COULDN'T
HEAR A JACK HAMMER BUT
AFTER THAT SHE COULD HEAR.
AND THE STUDY WAS
PUBLISHED IN A SECULAR,
SCIENTIFIC, PEER-REVIEWED
MEDICAL JOURNAL.
IT IS A VALID, SCIENTIFIC
STUDY.
I THINK SCIENCE POINTS IN
THE DIRECTION -- IN FACT,
I SPOKE TO THE RESEARCHER
WHO DID THAT, WHO HAS A
Ph.D. FROM HARVARD, AND
SHE SAID, SOMETHING IS
GOING ON.
WELL, I CAN TELL HER
WHAT'S GOING ON.
GOD IS GOING ON.
Gordon: WHY IS THAT?
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IN
THE ACADEMIC COMMUNITY,
EVEN IN THE MEDICAL
COMMUNITY, THE SKEPTICISM
TAKES OVER.
YEAH.
Gordon: WE HAD A
MIRACLE, REALLY PROFOUND,
A YOUNG BOY HAD BLISTERS
IN HIS EYEBALL FROM
RADIATION, IRREVERSIBLE
DAMAGE, THEY WERE TALKING
LOSING THE EYE, AND A
MIRACLE HAPPENED.
AND THE DOCTOR KNEW IT
WASN'T MEDICALLY POSSIBLE
FOR THIS, BUT THEN SHE
SAID, WELL, ONE DAY
MEDICAL SCIENCE WILL
EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S SORT OF SCIENCE
IN THE GAP.
IT IS SORT OF SAYING SOME
DAY SCIENCE WILL FIGURE IT
OUT.
STUDIES SHOW THAT 55% OF
PHYSICIANS IN THE UNITED
STATES, A MAJORITY OF
PHYSICIANS SAY, THEY HAVE
SEEN AT LEAST ONE EXAMPLE
IN THEIR PRACTICE OF
MEDICINE THAT THEY CAN
ONLY EXPLAIN AS A MIRACLE
OF GOD.
SO A MAJORITY -- IN FACT,
A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF
PHYSICIANS THAN THE
POPULATION AT LARGE SAYS
THAT.
SO I THINK A LOT OF
PHYSICIANS -- BUT THEY'RE
A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO SAY
IT.
I INTERVIEWED A SCHOLAR
WHO IS A Ph.D., AND HE
TOLD ME FOR 45 MINUTES THE
STORY ABOUT HOW GOD HAD
HEALED HIM OF A BRAIN
TUMOR.
AND IN THE END, HE SAID,
BUT UT CAN' YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN
YOUR BOOK.
AND I SAID, WHY NOT?
HE SAID, I'M UP FOR
TENURE.
AND A LOT OF DOCTORS SAY,
WHAT DOES "MIRACLE" MEAN?
HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
Gordon: IT IS A
MIRACLE HOW YOU PAY YOUR
BILL.
EXACTLY.
Gordon: ONE THE
THINGS I ADMIRE ABOUT THE
BOOK IS YOU DO GO INTO WHY
PEOPLE DON'T GET HEALED.
YEAH.
Gordon: AND I THINK
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE
REALLY HAVE TO GRAPPLE
WITH.
I'VE READ A LOT OF BOOKS
ON MIRACLES, AND YOURS IS
ONE OF THE FIRST WHERE,
OKAY, LET'S DEAL WITH THE
OTHER SIDE OF THIS.
I DID TWO THINGS OUT OF
THE ORDINARY.
I START THE BOOK WITH AN
INTERVIEW WITH A MAJOR
SKEPTIC, AND I SAY BUILD A
CASE AGAINST MIRACLES.
AND THEN THIS QUESTION,
WHAT ABOUT MIRACLES THAT
DON'T HAPPEN.
MY WIFE IS IN PAIN EVERY
SINGLE DAY FOR THE LAST 20
PLUS YEARS.
SHE HAS A MEDICAL
CONDITION THAT PUTS HER IN
CHRONIC PAIN, AND THERE IS
NO CURE.
AND SO APART FROM A
MIRACLE, SHE IS GOING TO
BE IN PAIN THE REST OF HER
LIFE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A
MIRACLE HAPPEN.
IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
WHY IS THAT?
SO I WENT TO A GUY WHO HAS
A Ph.D. IN THEOLOGY, AND
HIS NAME IS DR. DOUGLAS
GROWTIS, A BRILLIANT
SCHOLAR, BUT HIS WIFE IS
DYING PREMATURELY OF A
BRAIN TUMOR.
AND SHE IS AT THE POINT
WHERE SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHY
A TELEPHONE IS.
AND SHE'S LOSING HER
THINKING ABILITY AT A
YOUNG AGE.
SO HE IS ABLE TO TALK FROM
THE MIND AND THE HEART.
IT IS THE MOST POWERFUL
INTERVIEW I'VE EVER
CONDUCTED IN MY LIFE.
EVERY SENTENCE FROM HIM
DRIPS WITH WISDOM AND
SPIRITUAL DEPTH BECAUSE OF
THE HEAD AND THE HEART
WEDDING TOGETHER.
SO THAT'S MY BEST ATTEMPT
TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I THINK GOD IS SOVEREIGN.
GOD WILL DO AS HE WILL DO.
HIS WAYS ARE ABOVE OUR
WAYS.
EVEN IN JESUS' TIME,
HEALING WAS NOT AUTOMATIC.
MATTHEW SAYS JESUS DIDN'T
DO MANY MIRACLES IN
NAZARETH.
MATTHEW 10, THE DISCIPLES
ARE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO
HEAL, AND SEVEN CHAPTERS
LATER THEY CAN'T HEAL AN
EPILEPTIC BOY.
PAUL LEAVES TROFAMUS SICK.
SO EVEN IN JESUS' DAY,
HEALING WAS NOT
NECESSARILY AUTOMATIC.
BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN MEANINGLESS
SUFFERING AND INSCRUTABLE
SUFFERING.
THERE IS NO HOPE, THERE IS
NO MEANING, I SUFFER
BECAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE --
I GOT THE SHORT END OF THE
STICK -- THAT'S
MEANINGLESS SUFFERING.
INSCRUTABLE SUFFERING
SAYS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHY GOD DOES NOT
INTERVENE.
BUT I HAVE ALL OF THIS
EVIDENCE THAT POINTS
TOWARD THE TRUTH OF
CHRISTIANITY, THAT GOD IS
REAL, THAT JESUS IS WHO HE
CLAIMED TO BE.
I BELIEVE IN ALL OF THAT.
I BELIEVE HE LOVES ME.
AND I BELIEVE HIS WAYS ARE
HIGHER THAN MY WAYS, AND
HE UNDERSTANDS THINGS I
WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.
AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT
ROMANCE 8:28, THAT GOD
WILL CAUSE GOOD TO EMERGE
IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF
ALL THOSE WHO FOLLOW
HIM -- WE THROW THAT LINE
AROUND, BUT IT IS TRUE.
Gordon: I HAVE MET
PEOPLE IN CHRONIC ILLNESS
SAY, PLEASE DON'T EVERY
SAY THAT.
IT'S TRUE.
Gordon: HOW KEY IS IT
TO THE TOTAL SURRENDER,
REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME,
LET'S LEAVE THE NAME IT
AND CLAIM IT BEHIND.
GOD, IF IT IS YOUR WILL --
YEAH.
Gordon: -- AND I'M
NOT SURE WHAT YOUR WILL IS
RIGHT NOW --
IT'S CALLED THE
PRAYER --
Gordon: -- I'LL TAKE
WHATEVER YOU HAVE FOR ME.
IT IS CALLED THE PRAYER
OF RELINQUISHMENT.
AND JESUS PRAYED THAT
PRAYER IN THE GARDEN OF
GETHSEMANE, AND HE SAID,
FATHER, I'M RELINQUISHING
MY WILL TO YOURS.
I'M ALLOWING THIS TO
HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU WANT IT
TO HAPPEN.
AND SOMETIMES WHEN A
MIRACLE DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE
SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY
I LOVE YOU ONLY IF YOU
HEAL ME, BUT I LOVE YOU
BECAUSE YOU ARE WHO YOU
ARE, YOU LOVED ME FIRST.
YOU REDEEMED ME.
I'M YOU'RE CHILD.
I TRUST YOU.
EVEN THOUGH I DON'T
UNDERSTAND YOU, I TRUST
YOU.
I RELINQUISH THIS TO YOU.
IT'S NOT THAT I'M GIVING
UP.
IT'S THAT I AM SAYING I
TRUSTED GOD, EVEN THOUGH I
DO NOT UNDERSTAND ALL OF
HIS WAYS.
THAT'S A CRITICAL MOMENT.
Gordon: AND THIS IS
PART OF THAT PRAYER.
THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD
HAS MADE.
I WILL REJOICE AND BE GLAD
IN IT.
JESUS SANG THAT AT THE
LAST SUPPER.
WE CAN TALK A LONG TIME,
BUT WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW
MORE ABOUT THIS, READ
LEE'S BOOK.
IT'S CALLED "THE CASE FOR
MIRACLES: A JOURNALIST
GUILTIES EVIDENCE FOR THE
SUPERNATURAL," AND IT IS
AVAILABLE NATIONWIDE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU, GARD.
GORDON,
BLESS.
Terry: UP NEXT, A
MOTHER WHO WAS ALMOST
FORCED TO GIVE UP PARENTAL
RIGHTS TO HER CHILDREN.
SEE WHAT REUNITED THIS
FAMILY WHEN WE COME BACK.
Terry: WELL, NAZIRA
HAD TO MAKE A DESPERATE
DECISION BY LEAVING HER
THREE CHILDREN AT AN
ORPHANAGE.
SHE DID IT SO THEY WOULD
NOT STARVE TO DEATH.
BUT IN THREE MONTHS, SHE
LEARNED SHE WOULD HAVE TO
SURRENDER RIGHTS TO HER
CHILDREN FOREVER.
THE CHILD ATE NOTHING
FOR THREE DAYS AFTER HIS
MOTHER DROPPED HIM OFF AT
THE ORPHANAGE WITH HIS
BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
I WAS SO LONELY.
I WANTED MY MOM TO CALM COME
BACK FOR ME.
Terry: BUT HIS MOTHER
WASN'T COMING BACK.
I HAD TO GIVE MY
CHILDREN UP TO THE
ORPHANAGE SO THEY WOULD
NOT STARVE TO DEATH.
Terry: BEFORE GIVING
UP HER CHILDREN, NAZIRA
TRIED HARD TO SUPPORT
THEM.
SHE APPLIED FOR GOVERNMENT
ASSISTANCE, BUT WAS TURNED
DOWN.
THEN SHE WAS TOLD AFTER
TWO MONTHS OF CARE IN THE
ORPHANAGE, SHE WOULD BE
FORCED TO SURRENDER HER
CHILDREN FOREVER.
I COULD NOT STAND SUCH
A THING.
I PRAYED TO GOD, PLEASE
LET THERE BE ANOTHER WAY.
Terry: SEVERAL MONTHS
PASSED, AND ADIMIR WAS
STILL WAITING BY THE
ORPHANAGE WINDOW.
THAT'S WHERE "ORPHANS'
PROMISE" FOUND HIM.
I MET ADIMIR, AND I
COULD TELL THERE WAS
SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT
HIM, AND HE SEEMED SAD.
THEN I LEARNED HE HAD A
FAMILY BUT HE WAS TAKEN
AWAY FROM THE FAMILY
BECAUSE THEY WERE POOR.
Terry: FIRST,
"ORPHANS' PROMISE" WENT TO
MET NAZIRA.
AND WE DECIDED WITH ENOUGH
SKILLS, SHE COULD EARN
ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT
HER FAMILY AND BE REUNITED
WITH THEM.
WE OFFERED HER SEWING
LESSONS AND A NEW SEWING
MACHINE.
AND WE GAVE HER A NEW
STOVE AND FOOD TO FEED HER
FAMILY, AND HELPED WITH
THE RENT UNTIL SHE COULD
PROVIDE FOR HER FAMILY
HERSELF.
I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THE
SEWING MACHINE TO HELP ME
MAKE MONEY FOR MY FAMILY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US
BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.
Terry: IT HAS BEEN
TWO YEARS SINCE THEN, AND
WE RECENTLY VISITED NAZIRA
AND HER CHILDREN.
WE FOUND THEM WELL AND
THRIVING.
TODAY NAZIRA PROUDLY
SUPPORTS HER FAMILY ON HER
OWN.
MY MOM HAS A JOB, AND
WE HAVE FOOD AND WE ARE
FED.
GOD ANSWERED MY PRAYERS
THROUGH YOUR HELP.
WITH MY SEWING SKILLS, I
EVEN GOT A NEW JOB.
NOW WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE
NEED.
YOU MADE ALL OF THIS
POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
Terry: YOU YOU KNOW,
WKNOW, WEWERE TALKING ABOUT
MIRACLES A MOMENT AGO.
THIS, FOR THIS FAMILY, WAS
A MIRACLE.
THESE CHILDREN WERE ALMOST
SEPARATED FROM THEIR MOM
FOR THE REST OF THEIR
LIVES, AND THERE WAS
NOTHING SHE COULD DO ABOUT
IT.
THEN YOU SHOWED UP, "700
CLUB" MEMBERS.
WE JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU.
THIS MOM HAS DIGNITY.
SHE HAS HER KIDS.
THAT LITTLE BOY IS NOT
WAITING IN HIS WINDOW,
HOPING THAT HIS MOM IS
GOING TO COME BACK.
HE IS IN HIS FAMILY.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT
"ORPHANS' PROMISE" DOES,
KEEPING FAMILIES TOGETHER.
WHERE POVERTY IS AN ISSUE,
CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE PUT
IN ORPHANAGES.
THEY NEED TO BE WITH THEIR
MOMS AND DADS WHENEVER
POSSIBLE.
HELP US DO THAT.
LISTEN, HELPING CHILDREN
IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU JOIN
"THE 700 CLUB."
YOU'RE DIGGING WATER WELLS
FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE
CLEAN WATER.
YOU'RE OFFERING FOOD TO
PEOPLE WHO ARE HUNGRY,
LIFE-SAVING SURGERY TO
MANY PEOPLE -- ALL KINDS
OF WORK BEING DONE IN THE
NAME OF JESUS AND BECAUSE
OF YOUR KINDNESS AND
GENEROSITY.
JOIN US TODAY.
65 CENTS A DAY, $20 A
MONTH, MAKES YOU A "700
CLUB" MEMBER.
LISTEN, WHEN YOU CALL OUR
TOLL-FREE NUMBER,
1-800-700-7000, AND SAY
YOU WANT TO JOIN, WE'RE
GOING TO SEND YOU
"ANSWERED PRAYER."
BOY, AFTER TODAY'S SHOW IF
YOU DON'T WANT THIS
D.V.D., I DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU WANT.
THIS IS GOING TO TALK TO
YOU ABOUT HOW TO PRAY
EFFECTIVELY AND
EFFICIENTLY.
I THINK IT WILL BLESS YOU,
TOO.
SO CALL NOW.
READY FOR SOME E-MAILS?
THIS IS A VIEWER WHO SAYS,
"I FOUND OUT MY HUSBAND OF
MANY YEARS HAS BEEN
WATCHING PORN.
WHEN I CONFRONTED HIM BACK
IN 2016, HE SAID HE
WOULDN'T DO IT AGAIN, BUT
HE HAS.
THE FEELING OF NOT BEING
WORTHY IS HORRIBLE.
I'VE TRIED TO TALK TO HIM.
WE'RE TRYING COUNSELLING.
HE DOESN'T LIKE TO GO,
SAYS IT IS ONE-SIDED.
HE SAYS HE FEELS LIKE HE
IS BEING MADE TO DO
SOMETHING HE DOESN'T WANT
TO DO.
HIS MOODS CHANGE QUICKLY.
IT IS HARD.
WE HAVE A YOUNG CHILD.
I WANT TO SAVE OUR
MARRIAGE.
WHAT DO I DO?"
Gordon: LET ME TALK
TO YOU.
I ASSUME THAT PHRASE, "THE
FEELING OF NOT BEING
WORTHY IS HORRIBLE,"
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
YOURSELF.
AND YOU'RE WORTHY.
AND DON'T FOR A MINUTE
THINK THAT HIS ADDICTION
TO PORNOGRAPHY HAS
ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
ABOUT WHETHER YOUR
ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH OR GOOD
ENOUGH OR WORTHY ENOUGH.
IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
HE'S ADDICTED.
PORNOGRAPHY IS ADDICTIVE.
IT LITERALLY REWIRES YOUR
BRAIN.
AND PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE NOW
SAYING IT IS EQUIVALENT TO
COCAINE, THAT IT GIVES
THIS PLEASURE RUSH IN
PLEASURE CENTERS OF THE
BRAIN.
AND WHEN YOU GET EXPOSED
TO IT, IT'S LIKE TAKING
SOME KIND OF HIT OF CRACK
COCAINE.
REALIZE THAT IF HE IS
POWERLESS OVER HIS
ADDICTION, WELL, SO ARE
YOU.
AND ONLY GOD CAN RESTORE
YOU.
SO LOOK TO HIM FOR YOUR
WORTHINESS, FOR YOUR LOVE,
FOR YOUR COMFORT.
HE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU
YOU.
> HERE IS A WORD FROM 1
CORINTHIANS: "NO EYE HAS
SEEN, NO EAR HAS HEARD,
AND NO MIND HAS IMAGINED
WHAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR
THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."