Gordon: HOW TO WORRY

LESS AND TRUST GOD MORE.

FINANCIAL ANALYST AND

AUTHOR DAN SELLIUS SHARES

HELPFUL INFORMATION THAT

CHANGED HIS LIFE AND COULD

CHANGE YOURS.

> PLUS..."STUDIO 5's"

EFREM GRAHAM IS HERE WITH

THE LATEST FROM THE WORLD

OF ENTERTAINMENT ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

WELL, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

HERE IS EFREM GRAHAM WITH

THIS WEEK'S TOP FIVE FROM

"STUDIO 5."

Efrem: AT NUMBER

FIVE...A "PEOPLE MAGAZINE"

EXCLUSIVE, AND AN

"AMERICAN IDOL" SURPRISE.

JORDAN SPARKS IS MARRIED

TO MODEL DANA ISAIAH, AND

THEY'RE EXPECTING A BABY

BOY.

SHE TRAVELLED TO

HOUSTON DURING SUPER BOWL

WEEKEND THIS PAST

FEBRUARY, AND SPARKS

STARTED FLYING, AND THEY

BONDED QUICKLY OVER THEIR

TIGHT-KNIT FAMILIES AND

SHARED CHRISTIAN FAITH.

AND THE COUPLE DECIDED TO

ELOPE ON VACATION IN

HAWAII WITH A GROUP OF

FRIENDS. AND THEY

RECEIVED THE BIGGEST SHOCK

OF THEIR LIVES WHEN SPARKS

DISCOVERED SHE WAS

PREGNANT IN LATE AUGUST.

I SAW IT SAID POSITIVE,

AND I WALKED OUT, AND I

WAS, LIKE, COME HERE.

AND SO HE COMES IN, AND I

TURNED AROUND, AND I GO,

I'M PREGNANT.

AND IT WAS, LIKE, SUCH A

SHOCK FOR BOTH OF US.

I TURNED AROUND AND

STARTED BALLING.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

FOUR...PRINCE HARRY

SPLASHES ACROSS MAGAZINE

COVERS.

LADIES, HE IS OFF THE

MARKET, TAKEN BY THIS

WOMAN, MEGHAN MARKLE.

SHE SHOWS OFF HER RING.

FOR HARRY, A HEART-FELT

TRIBUTE TO HIS MOTHER.

TO BE ABLE TO HAVE

THIS, WHICH LINKS WHERE

YOU COME FROM AND

BOTSWANA, WHICH IS

IMPORTANT TO US, IT IS

PERFECT.

IT IS DAYS LIKE TODAY

WHEN I REALLY MISS HAVING

YOU AROUND.

WITH THE RING AND

EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS

GOING ON AROUND US, I'M

SURE SHE IS WITH US.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

THREE...KIRK FRANKLIN.

* FILL UP THIS SPACE

Efrem: THE GOSPEL

GREAT TOOK TO INSTAGRAM

WITH A MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT

FOR GOSPEL MUSIC, COMING

TO HIS HOMETOWN, DALLAS,

TEXAS.

MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND,

IT WILL BE THE FIRST EVER

OF ITS KIND IN THE HISTORY

OF THE JEN RA.

GENRE.

WE PARTNER TO GIVE YOU THE

EXODUS MUSICAL FESTIVAL.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

TWO...

AND THE GRAMMY GOES

TO...

Efrem: ...2018 GRAMMY

NOMINATIONS ARE OUT, AND A

FEW FRIENDS OF "STUDIO 5"

HAVE MADE THE CUT.

* WHAT A BEAUTIFUL NAME IT

IS *

* WHAT A BEAUTIFUL NAME IT

IS *

Efrem: HILLSONG

WORSHIP COULD TAKE HOME

THE BEST CONTEMPORARY

CHRISTIAN SONG REWARD FOR

"WHAT A BEAUTIFUL NAME."

* I SAY IT IS TOO HARD NOT

TO *

Efrem: TINA CAMPBELL

IS UP FOR THIS SINGLE,

"TOO HARD NOT TO."

GOD WANTED ME TO CONVEY

THIS STORY BECAUSE IT IS

THE STORY OF MY LIFE.

Efrem: AND CECE

WINANS IS NOMINATED IN THE

SAME CATEGORY FOR "NEVER

HAVE TO BE ALONE," A SONG

CO-WRITTEN AND PRODUCED BY

HER SON.

I FOUND A WHOLE OTHER

LEVEL THAT GOD BLESSED HIM

WITH.

Efrem: AS NUMBER

ONE...THE FAITH STORY

BEHIND THE CREATION OF THE

ICONIC APPLE STORE.

MY FAVORITE VERSE, MARK

12: 31: "LOVE YOUR

NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

IT IS THE PEOPLE YOU WORK

WITH, YOUR COSTUMERS, YOUR

BUSINESS PARTNERS.

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HONOR

THAT, HAVE YOU TO DO IT IN

WORK AND WITH WORK.

Efrem: THAT IS RON

JOHNSON APPEARING ON A

DOVE CHANNEL WHERE HE ALSO

TALKED ABOUT HIS FAITH AND

FRIENDSHIP WITH THE LATE

STEVE JOBS.

I REMEMBER WHEN HE

FIRST HAD CANCER, AND WE

HAD A LONG PHONE CALL

ABOUT FAITH AND WHAT IT

MEANT TO ME, AND WHAT IT

COULD MEAN FOR HIM.

AND MY ADVICE WAS, FOR A

PERSON WHO IS AS SMART AS

YOU ARE, YOU OUGHT TO TAKE

SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT

THIS ISSUE OF ETERNITY, IS

IT THERE OR NOT, AND HOW

DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT?

JUST DON'T TAKE IT FOR

GRANTED.

Gordon: WOW!

DON'T TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: I FIND IT

INCREDIBLE, THE FOUNDER OF

THE APPLE STORE, THE ONE

WHO DESIGNED ALL OF THAT,

HAS AS HIS PRINCIPLE,

"LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS

YOURSELF."

Efrem: AND THE

BEAUTIFUL STORY BEHIND RON

JOHNSON IS HE IS ALSO ONE

OF THE MASTERMINDS BEHIND

TARGET'S SUCCESS.

STEVE JOBS STOLE HIM FROM

TARGET.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, HE DID

HAVE ONE DIP.

HE ALSO WENT TO J.C.

PENNEY AND WAS THE

MASTERMIND BEHIND THE BIG

CHANGE AT J.C. PENNEY THAT

DIDN'T GO SO WELL.

AND HE SAID, EVEN THAT HE

LEARNED ALL THINGS WORK

TOGETHER FOR GOOD, AND

THAT GOD USED THAT FOR HIM

TO START HIS OWN COMPANY,

FOR HIM TO LITERALLY HONE

THE WHOLE BRANDING OF

HIMSELF.

AND HE IS ALL ABOUT

RELATIONSHIPS.

HIS COMPANY NOW IS CALLED

ENJOY.

YOU CAN ORDER SOMETHING

FROM THEM, AND THEY

PERSONALLY DELIVER IT TO

YOU.

AND THEN WORK WITH YOU TO

MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW

HOW TO OPERATE IT.

SO HE LOVED THE WHOLE IDEA

OF RELATIONSHIP.

HE SAYS HE LOVES TO SEE

LOVE PLAYED OUT.

HE LOVES TO SEE IT IN

ACTION.

THAT WAS HIS MASTERMIND

BEHIND TARGET.

THAT IS WHAT HE WAS

THINKING BEHIND THE APPLE

STORE.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE IS

DOING WITH HIS COMPANY,

ENJOY.

Gordon: THAT SHOULD

CATCH ON THROUGHOUT THE

BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: IT WORKS.

Efrem: YES, IT DOES.

Gordon: LET'S GO

ACROSS THE POND TO THE

ROYALS, AND MEGHAN MARKLE

MAKING HISTORY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT

IT?

Efrem: I THINK IT IS

A BEAUTIFUL LOVE STORY.

SHE, OF COURSE, IS THE

DAUGHTER OF AN

AFRICAN-AMERICAN MOM AND A

WHITE FATHER, SO SHE IS

AFRICAN-AMERICAN MARRYING

INTO ROYALTY.

THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL STORY.

AND SHE HAS GIVEN AN

INTERVIEW, I THINK IN

VOGUE MAGAZINE A FEW

MONTHS AGO, AND SHE SAID

SHE LOVES A GOOD LOVE

STORY.

AND THIS IS BEFORE IT ALL

PLAYED OUT IN HER LIFE.

AND THE RING, THE CENTER

JEWEL IS FROM BOTSWANA,

WHERE THEY DO A THE LOT OF

CHARITABLE WORK TOGETHER.

I THINK HE PROPOSED JUST

AS THEY WERE MAKING A

ROAST CHICKEN.

IT WAS A REAL BASIC THING.

THEY WERE JUST HANGING

AROUND AND HE POPPED THE

QUESTION.

THEY SAID HE WOULDN'T

SETTLE DOWN.

Gordon: YEAH, HE WAS

THE WILD ONE.

Efrem: THE BAD BOY.

Gordon: AND SOME

THINGS IN LAS VEGAS THAT

OUGHT TO STAY IN VEGAS.

Efrem: YES.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: DO YOU KNOW

HOW THEY MET?

WHAT'S THE BACK STORY?

Efrem: I UNDERSTAND

THAT HE SAW ONE -- I

BELIEVE -- IF I'M NOT

MISTAKEN -- HE SAW

SOMETHING -- SHE'S AN

ACTRESS, AND HE SAW

SOMETHING THAT SHE WAS IN,

AND WANTED TO MEET HER,

AND THAT'S WHAT LED TO THE

MEETING.

I THINK THAT'S THE STORY

THAT I READ.

Gordon: HOW DO YOU DO

THAT?

DO YOU CALL THE AGENT?

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: I WANT TO

MEET MEGHAN.

Efrem: AND SHE IS

GOING TO GIVE UP ACTING

AFTER THIS WEDDING.

Gordon: HER LIFE IS

GOING THROUGH A HUGE

CHANGE NOW.

I'M NOT SURE -- ANYWAY,

BLESSINGS ON THEM.

Efrem: WE WILL PRAY,

AND THEY'RE GETTING

MARRIED IN THE SPRING.

Gordon: CHRISTIANS

ARE ALL THROUGH THE

GRAMMYS NOW.

Efrem: THERE ARE FIVE

CATEGORIES IN THE GOSPEL

OR CONTEMPORARY CHRISTIAN

CATEGORY.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF THE

GUESTS HERE IN "STUDIO 5"

AS WELL.

I AM PULLING FOR CECE

WINANS FOR A BETTER GOSPEL THE BEST GOSPEL

ALBUM.

Gordon: YOU'LL HAVE

EVERYBODY ELSEE ELSE MAD.

Efrem: THEIR MUSIC IS

GREAT.

I JUST REALLY LOVED THAT

ALBUM, AND TO THIS DAY,

STILL LISTENING TO IT IN

MY CAR EVERY MORNING ON MY

WAY TO WORK.

AND IT WAS PRODUCED BY HER

SON.

FOR HER SON TO HAVE BEEN

AT HER FEET ALL THESE

YEARS ABSORBING, AND WHEN

SHE WALKED AWAY TO PASTOR,

HE SAID, MOM, I KNOW HOW

YOU OUGHT TO COME BACK?

AND SHE SAID, WHERE DID I

GO?

AND HE PRODUCED THIS

ALBUM, WROTE VIRTUALLY

EVERY SONG ON IT, AND THE

ALBUM IS NOMINATED FOR

BEST GOSPEL ALBUM.

IT'S A GREAT STORY.

Gordon: OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT HILLSONG?

Efrem: I THINK THEY

WILL WIN THAT CATEGORY.

THEY SEEM TO WIN EVERY

YEAR.

LAST YEAR IT WAS HILLSONG

UNITED, AND NOW IT IS

HILLSONG WORSHIP'S

OPPORTUNITY.

"WHAT A WONDERFUL NAME IT

IS," THAT SONG IS SO

POWERFUL.

I'D BE SURPRISED IF IT

DIDN'T WIN BEST SONG.

Gordon: WELL, WHAT

ABOUT KIRK FRANKLIN?

Efrem: PART OF THE

INSPIRATION BEHIND THAT IS

IF YOU LOOK AT GOSPEL

SALES, SALES HAVE DROPPED

DRAMATICALLY OVER THE

YEARS.

AND HE IS TRYING TO

CELEBRATE AND PUSH GOSPEL

TO ANOTHER LEVEL TO GET

PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO

IT.

IN HIS HOME TOWN OF

DALLAS, MEMORIAL DAY

WEEKEND, TICKETS GO ON

SALE FRIDAY.

TICKET SALES BEGAN ON THIS

COMING FRIDAY.

AND IT'S A WEEKEND-LONG

FESTIVAL.

PAMELA MANN WILL THERE,

KIRK FRANKLIN WILL BE

THERE.

HE HOPES FOR IT TO BE A

POWERFUL WEEKEND, TO GET

THE WORLD TO PAY ATTENTION

TO GOSPEL MUSIC AND TO

LISTEN TO IT MORE.

Gordon: I THINK

THEY'RE LISTENING.

THEY'RE JUST NOT BUYING

C.D.s ANYMORE.

THE TECHNOLOGY HAS

COMPLETELY WIPED OUT THE

INDUSTRY.

WHY BUY THE C.D. WHEN YOU

CAN LISTEN TO IT ON

SPOTIFY.

Efrem: WHEN WAS THE

LAST TIME YOU BOUGHT A

WHOLE C.D.?

Gordon: YEAH.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT INTO

LIVE PERFORMANCE, HOW DO

YOU MAKE IT, BECAUSE THE

MICROSOFT PAYMENTS FROM

SPOTIFY OR YouTube

AREN'T GOING TO DO IT.

> LAST ONE, JORDAN

SPARKS.

Efrem:

CONGRATULATIONS TO JORDAN

SPARKS BECAUSE SHE

ADMITTED SHE LITERALLY

WALKED AWAY FROM HER

FAITH, AND GOT INVOLVED IN

RELATIONSHIPS SHE IS NOT

PROUD OF, AND REGRETS

THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SHE

CAME BACK TO GOD.

AND SHE LITERALLY HAD

SAID, I GIVE UP ON THIS

WHOLE IDEA OF RELATIONSHIP

AND ROMANCE, BECAUSE SHE

WENT THROUGH SOME

HIGH-PROFILE

RELATIONSHIPS, AND SHE

SAID, I GAVE UP ON IT, AND

THAT WAS NOT MY PASSION

ANYMORE.

I WAS SIMPLY PURSUING

GETTING MY RELATIONSHIP

WITH GOD RIGHT.

AND THEN THESE TWO

FAMILIES MEET, BOTH

CHRISTIAN FAMILIES.

THEY'VE GOT A SON, AND

THEY'VE GOT A DAUGHTER --

I THINK YOU TWO SHOULD

MEET, AND THIS HAPPENED.

AND DONE GOD'S WAY,

PRESERVED THEMSELVES, GOT

MARRIED, AND GOT PREGNANT

SOONER THAN SHE WANTED

TO --

Gordon: IT HAPPENS

REAL EASY.

Efrem: AND

THUNDERSTORM VERYAND THEY'REVERY, VERY EXC
ITED.

Gordon:

CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.

> FOR ALL OF THE LATEST

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CHECK OUT EFREM'S WEEKLY

SHOW "STUDIO 5," AND YOU

CAN GO TO

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> FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN

OVERCOME FEAR AND MANAGE

YOUR GOD-GIVEN RESOURCES

WITH JOY.

FINANCIAL ANALYST AND

RADIO HOST BEN SELLIUS

JOINS US NEXT.

Gordon: WELL, IF THE

LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT

OF ALL EVIL, THEN WHAT IS

THE FEAR OF MONEY?

FINANCIAL ANALYST AND

RADIO HOST DAN CELIA SAYS

WHEN IT COME TO YOUR

FINANCES, YOU CAN WORRY

LESS AND TRUST GOD MORE.

Reporter: DAN CELIA

SOLD HIS BUSINESS, WHERE

HE MANAGED OVER

$900 MILLION AND STARTED A

PART-TIME RADIO SHOW TO

HELP OTHERS MAKE SOUND

FINANCIAL DECISIONS.

FOR OVER 20 YEARS, HIS

TWO-HOUR LIVE CALL-IN

BROADCAST CALLED

"FINANCIAL ISSUES" HAS

EXPANDED TO 600 STATIONS

AND IS HEARD IN EVERY

STATE IN THE COUNTRY.

AND HE IS HEARD AROUND THE

WORLD VIA THE NIESMED.

INTERNET.

IN HIS LATEST BOOK, "THE

FEAR OF MONEY," DAN

TEACHES US HOW TO WORRY

LESS ABOUT MONEY, OR THE

LACK THEREOF, AND HOW TO

USE WHAT GOD ENTRUSTED TO

US.

Gordon: THE FEAR OF

MONEY -- WE SEEM TO BE

BORN INTO IT.

WHY IS THAT?

I THINK THERE IS THIS

INHERENT ATTITUDE IN US

FROM THE TIME WE'RE YOUNG.

I WROTE THAT YOUNG CHAPTER

ABOUT ACTUALLY BEING BORN

INTO IT, MAKING REFERENCE

TO MY WIFE, WHO IS ONE OF

11.

THEY'RE ALL VERY DIFFERENT

IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT

WAYS, BUT THEY ALL HAVE

THE SAME COMMON THREAD OF

THE FEAR OF NOT ENOUGH.

IT'S NEVER TOO MUCH.

THERE IS NO FEAR OF THAT.

BUT NOT ENOUGH.

HOW AM I GOING TO PAY MY

BILLS?

WHERE IS IT GOING?

AM I IN DEBT?

HOW DO I GET OUT OF DEBT?

THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THE REAL DOWNSIDE, GORDON,

TO THE FEAR IS THAT WE

TEND TO HELP OURSELVES OUT

WITH THAT FEAR BY CLINGING

TO IT IN EVERY WAY THAT WE

CAN.

AND THRIVING FIRST AND

FOREMOST TO MAKE SURE THAT

THAT FEAR IS TAKEN CARE OF

IN HOWEVER WAY WE THINK IT

NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

CERTAINLY THAT IS AN ISSUE

WHEN IT COMES TO THE

KINGDOM, WHEN IT COMES TO

THE KINGDOM WORK THAT WE

NEED TO BE DOING WITH

THAT.

GOD, OF COURSE, IS THE

GREAT MULTIPLE PRIOR.

MULTIPLER.

AND WE KIND OF LOSE TOUCH

WITH WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN

OUR HEARTS, AS JESUS

TALKED ABOUT IN LUKE'S

GOSPEL ABOUT OUR TREASURE

IS WHERE OUR HEART IS.

AND WE REALLY NEED TO GET

FOCUSED ON WHERE OUR HEART

IS.

SO THE SUBTITLE OF THE

BOOK, HAVE WE SEPARATED

OUR FINANCES FROM OUR

FAITH, IS SO TRUE.

BECAUSE WE SEPARATED THAT.

WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT,

GOD, I'VE GOT THIS.

WE'LL PRAY ABOUT

EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN,

BUT I'VE GOT THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO BOTHER YOU

ABOUT THAT.

WE NEED TO BE PRAYING

ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL

DECISIONS, OUR JOBS, OUR

TALENTS, OUR ABILITIES,

OUR OPPORTUNITIES, ALL OF

THOSE THINGS FROM A

FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.

WE DON'T DO THAT ENOUGH.

BECAUSE WE ALLOW THE WORLD

TO DICTATE WHERE WE ARE

WITH OUR MONEY OR OUR

ATTITUDES ABOUT OUR MONEY.

Gordon: ONE OF THE

THINGS THAT REALLY STRUCK

ME, WHEN I FIRST

APPROACHED THE BOOK, I

THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE

ANOTHER BOOK ABOUT

FINANCES.

AND WHAT SURPRISED ME WAS

THAT IT WAS A BOOK ABOUT

YOUR HEART.

AND IT WAS MORE OF A

DEVOTIONAL BOOK.

I THINK IT'S UNIQUE THAT

YOUR FOCUSED ON THE FEAR

OF MONEY BECAUSE I THINK

THAT IS ACTUALLY A MORE

COMMON PROBLEM THAN THE

LOVE OF MONEY.

PARTICULARLY IN THE

CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, I

THINK MORE PEOPLE ARE

AFRAID OF MONEY, AND DON'T

WANT TO ADDRESS HOW DO I

INVEST AND HOW DO I SAVE

AND HOW DO I LIVE

RESPONSIBLY?

YOU SAY THE REAL HEART

ISSUE IS: HAVE WE REALLY

TRUSTED GOD WITH

EVERYTHING?

YEAH.

EXACTLY.

AND THAT IS THE REAL, REAL

ISSUE.

WE REALLY HAVEN'T.

I TITHE 10%, SO THE REST

OF THE 90%, THAT'S MINE.

I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT

WITH IT.

Gordon: THANKS VERY

MUCH.

YEAH.

HERE IS YOURS, GOD, AND

NOW I'M GOING TO MOVE ON.

SO IT REALLY IS A HARD

ISSUE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD A --

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

INSPIRED THE BOOK WAS I

WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY

WHO WANTED TO AIR MY

PROGRAM ON THEIR NETWORK.

AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW,

DAN, IT'S KIND OF TABOO TO

BE TALKING ABOUT WEALTH.

SO I'M NOT SOMEBODY THAT

IS TALKING ABOUT GETTING

OUT OF DEBT AND ALL OF

THAT.

CROWN FINANCIAL DOES A

GREAT JOB OF THAT.

I'M NOT GOING TO REINVENT

THAT.

I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO

HAVE MONEY AND WHO HAVE

GOTTEN THEMSELVES OUT OF

DEBT, AND HOW THEY BECOME

GREAT STEWARDS FOR GOD AND

THE KINGDOM WITH THAT

MONEY, AND HOW TO INVEST

WISELY IN ECONOMIC ISSUES

AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND HE SAID, THAT'S KIND

OF TABOO IN CHRISTIAN

CIRCLES.

WE JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT

THAT.

Gordon: WHY IS THAT?

I KNOW IN MY OWN LIFE, YOU

KNOW, YOU THINK YOU'RE

DONE WITH IT.

YOU THINK THAT, OKAY, I'M

TITHING.

I'M GIVING SACRIFICIALLY.

BUT GOD'S REALLY BEEN

DEALING WITH ME THE PAST

COUPLE OF YEARS, WHAT'S MY

DREAM?

AS I BECOME MORE

SUCCESSFUL, WHAT'S THAT

DREAM FOR?

AND IS THAT DREAM FOR

ADVANCING THE KINGDOM AND

PUTTING THE RESOURCES HE

HAS PLACED AT MY DOES DISPOSAL

TO THAT?

OR AM I LIVING SOME SORT

OF AMERICAN SUCCESS STORY

KIND OF THING?

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN THE WORLDLY POINT

OF VIEW AND THIS FEAR -- I

THINK THE TABOO IS THAT,

WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT

SUPPOSED TO BE -- IF WE

TALK ABOUT IT, ARE WE

WORSHIPPING IT?

ARE WE GLORIFYING IT?

Gordon: ARE YOU

SAYING YOU'RE MORE

SPIRITUAL IF YOU'RE MORE

SUCCESSFUL?

RIGHT.

ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A

TIME CONVINCING HIM, NO,

IT IS NOTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN IN

THE WORLD IS POOR.

NOT EVERY ONE IS IN DEBT

UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS.

AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE SOME

MONEY -- ONE OF THE THINGS

I SAY ALL OF THE TIME,

GORDON, IS IT IS AMAZING

TO ME -- I CAME TO THE

LORD LATE IN LIFE.

SO I PROBABLY HAVE THIS

UNUSUAL FIRE.

I TELL PEOPLE THAT I'M --

I WAS ONE OF THE SCUMBAGS

ON WALL STREET THAT I TALK

ABOUT ALL THE TIME NOW.

AND I CAME TO THE LORD 30

YEARS AGO, AND MY WIFE

CAME FIVE YEARS LATER.

BUT I DIDN'T HAVE -- MY

GOD WAS SUCCESS.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WAS

MONEY, BUT IT WAS SUCCESS.

THAT WAS MY WHOLE WORLD,

SUCCESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN

RELATE TO IT.

I CAN RELATE TO IT REALLY

WELL.

SO I'M EXTREMELY

PASSIONATE.

WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE,

IT'S PLEASE, YOU'RE

ROBBING YOURSELF OF THE

INCREDIBLE WORSHIP THAT

GIVING IS.

DON'T ROB YOURSELF OF

THAT.

DON'T EVER LET ANY

FINANCIAL ADVISOR ROB YOU

OF GIVING TO KINGDOM WORK,

ROB YOU OF THE WORSHIP

THAT IS.

AND HERE IS WHY I SAY

THAT: WE KNOW HOW MUCH GOD

WROTE ABOUT MONEY.

A LOT.

I'M NOT A THEOLOGIAN, BUT

I BELIEVE ONE OF THE

REASONS IS GOD CERTAINLY

KNOWS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

THIS FEAR ABOUT HAVING

ENOUGH OF IT, AND WE'RE

GOING TO BEGIN TO CLING

VERY TIGHTLY TO IT.

SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, IF WE

ARE GOING TO CLING TO IT,

WHICH IS GOING TO LEAD TO

WORSHIP OF IT AT SOME

POINT IN TIME -- IF WE'RE

CLINGING TO IT AND WE LET

GO OF IT AND WE RELEASE

IT, AND WE'RE DOING

KINGDOM WORK WITH IT --

THIS IS REALLY HYPERBOLE,

BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS

A GREATER ACT OF WORSHIP

BECAUSE ALL I CAN THINK

ABOUT IS HOW JOYFUL GOD

MUST BE THAT YOU ARE

LETTING GO OF SOMETHING

THAT HE KNOWS THE WORLD IS

TELLING YOU TO HOLD

TIGHTLY TO IT, AND YET

YOU'RE GIVING IT UP.

SO THAT GREAT MINISTRIES

LIKE "THE 700 CLUB," GREAT

MINISTRIES LIKE FEEDING

CHILDREN AND SUPPORTING

ISRAEL AND THINGS LIKE

THAT, AND THE PROCLAMATION

OF THE GOSPEL, CAN BE

DONE.

AND WE'RE CLINGING TO IT.

AND I THINK IT BRINGS HIM

GREAT JOY WHEN HIS

CHILDREN SAY, YOU KNOW

WHAT, I KNOW WHAT THE

WORLD IS SAYING.

I KNOW WHAT THE WORLD IS

SAYING.

I USED TO HAVE A TRUST

BUSINESS, AND ABOUT HALF

WAY THROUGH THAT I CAME TO

THE LORD.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY

FINANCIAL ADVISORS I TALK

TO -- PEOPLE CALL ME EVERY

DAY AND SAY, HE

WOULDN'T -- MY FINANCIAL

ADVISOR SAID I WAS CRAZY

THAT I WANTED TO GIVE THAT

MUCH MONEY TO "THE 700

CLUB."

THEY THOUGHT I WAS BEING

CONNED OR I WAS NUTS.

AND WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

AND I WOULD SAY, HOW MUCH

MONEY DO YOU HAVE?

THEY SAY, I HAVE "X"

AMOUNT OF MONEY.

AND THEY'RE 75 YEARS OLD.

AND I SAID, NEED IT FOR

WHAT?

WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY

NEED THAT IT WOULDN'T BE

IN BETTER HANDS IF GOD HAD

IT?

AND WHY WOULD YOU ALLOW

SOMEBODY TO ROB YOU OF

THAT WORSHIP?

BECAUSE IT IS INCREDIBLE

WORSHIP.

Gordon: I THINK THE

BOOK IS WONDERFUL.

IT IS CALLED "THE FEAR OF

MONEY."

IT WILL SHOOT A SPOTLIGHT

ON YOUR HEART.

AND GIVING IS AN ACT OF

WORSHIP.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE

NEED TO REALIZE ALL OF IT

IS GOD'S.

HE HAS PUT US IN

STEWARDSHIP OF IT, AND

WHAT WE DO WITH IT REALLY

MATTERS.

"THE FEAR OF MONEY" IS

AVAILABLE ANYWHERE.

THE WEBSITE,

financialissues.org.

Gordon: UP NEXT, FIND

Gordon: THE HOLIDAYS

ARE THE BUSIEST TIME OF

THE YEAR, AND THE LAST

THING LYNNE WANTED WAS TO

BE CONSTANTLY ON THE MOVE

AND IN CONSTANT PAIN.

SHE TWISTED HER KNEE IN A

FALL, AND EVERY STEP WAS

AN AGONIZING ONE.

HERE IS HOW SHE GOT BACK

ON HER FEET.

Reporter: WHETHER SHE

IS TRAVELLING, WORKING

AROUND THE HOUSE, OR

ENJOYING THE OUTDOORS,

LYNNE IS ALWAYS ON THE

MOVE.

I'M A VERY PHYSICAL

PERSON.

MOST OF MY ACTIVITIES ARE

BIKING, HIKING, KAYAKING.

I'M ON NI KNEES DOING

MACRO PHOTOGRAPHY ON THE

GROUND.

Reporter: EVEN HER

PART-TIME JOB WORKING FOR

A BANQUET SERVICE REQUIRES

HER TO BE ON HER FEET

CONSTANTLY.

THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING

2015, LYNNE WAS HAVING

TROUBLE REHANGING SOME

CURTAINS SHE HAD CLEANED.

I WAS BACKING DOWN THE

LADDER AND MISSED THE LAST

STEP AND FELL SIDEWAYS.

AND MY RIGHT KNEE TWISTED

SIDEWAYS, AND I THOUGHT I

DISLOCATED IT.

I WAS IN EXTREME PAIN.

I COULDN'T PUT WEIGHT ON

MY FOOT.

Reporter: LYNNE

DECIDED TO WAIT UNTIL

AFTER THE WEEKEND TO SEE

HER DOCTOR.

SHE RESTED AND TOOK SOME

ASPIRIN, BUT NEITHER

HELPED.

IT WAS RECOVERING RIGHT

AWAY.

I FELT DEPRESSED ABOUT IT.

I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING.

I COULD HOBBLE TO GET TO

SOMETHING, BUT I COULDN'T

WORK ON ANYTHING.

IT HURT TOO BAD.

IT WAS VERY PAINFUL.

Reporter: LYNNE

PRAYED OVER THE WEEKEND

FOR HEALING.

ON MONDAY SHE TURNED ON

"THE 700 CLUB."

IT WAS THE HOLIDAYS,

AND A FULL SCHEDULE.

AND I CAN'T IMAGINE BEING

ON CRUTCHES OR IN A

HOSPITAL OR REHAB OR

SOMETHING LIKE THAT DURING

THE HOLIDAYS, WITH ALL OF

THE COMMITMENTS AND

PARTIES AND FESTIVITIES

DURING CHRISTMAS.

Reporter: AND WITH A

BUSY SEASON AHEAD, LYNNE

WAS WORRIED SHE WOULD HAVE

TO MISS WORK.

THAT DAY GAR GORDON WAS

PRAYING FOR PEOPLE IN THE

AUDIENCE.

HE SAID THERE IS SOMEONE

IN THE AUDIENCE WITH A

TORN RIGHT LIGAMENT IN

THEIR KNEE.

Gordon: THEY'RE IN

SEVERE PAIN, AND GOD IS

HEALING THAT.

HE IS ABLE TO RESTORE, HE

IS ABLE TO COMPLETELY

HEAL, IN JESUS' NAME.

I PUT MY HAND ON MY

KNEE WHERE IT HURT, AND I

SAID, LORD, I CLAIM THAT.

I'M GOING TO CLAIM THAT.

Gordon: REALIZE GOD

HAS RESTORED YOU.

AND INSTANTLY THE PAIN

STOPPED, AND I COULD MOVE

MY KNEE.

I COULD PUT MY WEIGHT ON

MY FOOT.

I COULD WALK.

AND I WASN'T ABLE TO DO

THAT UP TO THAT POINT.

I COULD MOVE LIKE NOTHING

HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER THAT.

I WAS SO EXCITED, I SAID,

OH, LORD, THANK YOU.

I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.

Reporter: LYNNE

WORKED AN ENTIRE BANQUET

THAT WEEKEND WITHOUT ANY

PAIN.

AND SHE WAS ABLE TO GET

BACK TO HER ACTIVE

LIFESTYLE AND HASN'T HAD

ANY PROBLEMS WITH HER KNEE

SINCE.

THIS CONFIRMS TO US

THAT GOD REALLY LOVES US.

HE CARES ABOUT WHETHER WE

FEEL GOOD OR THE NOT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE

TO GO TO GOD FIRST BECAUSE

HE REALLY, REALLY CARES

ABOUT US.

HE CARES ABOUT THE

LITTLEST DETAILS OF YOUR

LIFE, LIKE AN INJURY OR A

JOB.

HE CARES ABOUT THE

DETAILS, HE REALLY DOES.

Gordon: WE SERVE A

GOD WHO KNOWS HOW MANY

HAIRS ARE ON YOUR HEAD.

HE NUMBERS THEM.

HE IS VITALLY CONCERNED

WITH EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU.

IF YOU NEED PRAYER, IF YOU

NEED TO HAVE THAT

UNDERSTANDING WASH OVER

YOU, THAT HE CARES FOR

YOU, THAT HE LOVES YOU,

WE'RE HERE FOR YOU.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PICK

UP THE PHONE AND CALL:

1-800-700-7000.

> HERE IS A WORD FROM

ROMANS: "FOR AS MANY AS

ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF

GOD, THESE ARE THE SONS OF

GOD."

SO BE LED BY THE SPIRIT

TODAY.

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.