John Stonestreet discusses his new book, "A Practical Guide to Culture: Helping the Next Generation Navigate Today's World.â€
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Andrew: BOTHERED BY A
DEMONIC FORCE.
I WOULD GET UP IN THE
NIGHT, AND I WOULD FEEL
LIKE SOMETHING WAS
SPEAKING TO ME AND WAS
COMING AFTER ME.
Andrew: FIND OUT HOW
SHE ESCAPED.
> PLUS, NAVIGATING THE
CHANGING WAYS OF CULTURE.
JOHN JONESTREET JOINS US
IN STUDIO ON TODAY'S "700
CLUB INTERACTIVE."
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME
TO THE SHOW.
ONE OF THE MOST CRUCIAL
ISSUES OF OUR TIME IS
FIGHTING RADICAL ISLAMIC
TERRORISM.
THE BATTLE IS ONE THAT HAS
NO GEOGRAPHICAL
BOUNDARIES.
IT IS A GLOBAL WAR.
Terry: SOME MODERATE
MUSLIMS HAVE CONDEMNED THE
ATTACKS, AND ONE SINGER IS
GOING EVEN FURTHER, AND
THE AD IS GOING VIRAL.
TAKE A LOOK.
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LANGUAGE]
Terry: IN JUST UNDER
TWO WEEKS, THE VIDEO HAS
OVER FIVE MILLION VIEWS.
Andrew: A
CONTROVERSIAL AD, AND SOME
PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT IT
AND SAY WHAT COULD BE
CONTROVERSIAL ABOUT IT?
FROM THIS SIDE OF THE
WORLD IT IS GREAT TO SEE
PEACE, BUT THERE IS
CRITICISM BECAUSE SHOULD
TERRORISM IMAGERY BE USED
TO TELL A PRODUCT?
Terry: WELL, IT IS OR
REALITY TODAY, THOUGH.
AND A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN
WAITING AND CALLING FOR
THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND SO I SAY KUDOS TO THE
YOUNG POP SINGER WHO
STEPPED UP AND SAID, YOU
KNOW, LET'S DO THIS.
Andrew: A LOT OF GOOD
COMING OUT OF IT.
YOU HAVE REAL IMAGES OF
TERRORISM AND REAL VICTIMS
OF TERROR.
AND THE IMAGERY OF THE
5-YEAR-OLD BOY FROM
SYRIA -- I REMEMBER YOU
AND I DISCUSSING THIS
PHOTOGRAPH THAT WAS SO
FAMOUS, AND THAT WAS AS A
RESULT OF THE GOVERNMENT
AND NOT TERRORISM, BUT THE
COMMERCIAL IS GETTING A
LOT OF ATTENTION.
Terry: ISRAELI NATIVE
AND WONDERWOMAN STAR GAL
GADOT MADE HEADLINES WHEN
SHE TOOK TO SOCIAL MEDIA
CONDEMNING TERRORIST
ATTACKS BY HAMAS, CALLING
THE GROUP COWARDS WHO HIDE
BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
Andrew: BECAUSE OF
THAT, SHE HAS BEEN BANNED
FROM IRAN.
IT HASN'T HURT THE FILM,
IT SITS AT THE TOP IN BOX
OFFICES, BUT, OF COURSE,
NOT IN LEBANON.
EVEN THOSE WHO DISAGREED
WITH THIS BAN DIDN'T DO SO
BECAUSE THEY LOVED ISRAEL.
THEY DID IT BECAUSE MAYBE
JUST A BOYCOTT OF SOME
KIND WOULD BE MORE
AFFECTIVE.
Terry: HER VOICE IS
HERS.
Andrew: HAVE YOU SEEN
THE FILM?
Terry: NO, I HAVEN'T.
HAVE YOU?
Andrew: NO, BUT IT IS
GETTING GOOD REVIEWS.
> ANOTHER THREAT HAS
GARNERED WORLDWIDE
ATTENTION, AND THAT IS
SUPER-SECURITY.
CALIB KENSLO HAS THE
STORY.
THERE IS A CRITICAL
ALERT.
THE ENTIRE NETWORK WENT
DOWN.
IT CRASHED AND HIT THE
ENTIRE FINANCIAL SPECTRUM.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO
YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
Reporter: FAST
FORWARD, TODAY WE KNOW
THIS ISN'T JUST A MOVIE
PLOT.
CYBER-WAR IS REALITY.
AND IF YOU'RE A TARGET, IT
COULD COST YOU THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS.
ONE OF THE LATEST WEAPONS
IS SOMETHING CALLED RANSOM
RANSOMWARE.
THEY USE A VIRUS AND HOLD
YOUR INFO FOR RANSOM.
THE ONLY CATCH: SOMETIMES
VICTIMS PAY THE RANSOM AND
GET THEIR DATA BACK.
SOMETIMES THEY PAY AND GET
NOTHING.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENS NOT JUST TO
BUSINESSES, BUT TO
INDIVIDUALS.
YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER NOT
ONLY THE FINANCIAL COSTS
TO YOU, OF MAYBE PAYING
OUT THAT RANSOM, AND
YOU'RE NOW GOING TO HAVE
TO GO AND CHANGE ALL OF
YOUR CREDIT CARDS.
YOU MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY
OBTAINING POSITIONS THAT
REQUIRE CLEARANCE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE DIFFICULTY
TRAVELLING ABROAD OR
BUYING A HOUSE.
THERE ARE SOME LONG-TERM
IMPACTS TO YOUR
INFORMATION BEING
COMPROMISED.
IT CAN BE A BIT OF A
HEADACHE TO GET ALL OF
THAT BACK.
Reporter: WELCOME TO
THE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY
CENTER.
THIS VIRGINIA BEACH
INITIATIVE WAS DESIGNED
WITH ONE GOAL: PROVIDE
STUDENTS WITH EDUCATION
AND ENGINEERING AND
TECHNOLOGY.
THE PROGRAM FOCUSES ON
SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY,
ENGINEERING, AND MATH.
ALSO KNOWN AS STEP.
STEM, AS A
PLATFORM TO RECRUIT THE
NEXT GENERATION OF
CYBER-DEFENSE.
THERE IS A COMPETITIVE
NEED FOR US TO BE ON TOP
OF OUR "A" GAMES.
IF WE DON'T EXCITE
STUDENTS EARLY, WE'LL HAVE
SOME STUDENTS MISSING THE
BOAT.
I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE
TO GET THIS OUT TO AS MANY
SCHOOLS AS WE CAN.
Reporter: THAT MEANS
ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, AND
HIGH SCHOOL.
ONE PROGRAM LASTS A WHOLE
YEAR, CULMINATING IN A
CYBER-SECURITY CHALLENGE.
STUDENTS MUST IDENTIFY AND
STOP POTENTIAL
CYBER-THREATS FROM
AFFECTING THE WORLD.
THE CYBER-SECURITY IS
GOING TO IMPACT ANYBODY
THROUGH EXCHANGING
INFORMATION OVER THE
INTERNET.
SO FOR US, THAT'S WHAT
DRIVES SOMETHING THAT
BEGINS AT KINDERGARTEN AND
MOVES ALL THE WAY THROUGH
SECONDARY.
Reporter: FOR THE
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, WHAT
IDOES THE CHALLENGE
ACTUALLY ENTAIL?
THEY'RE ACTUALLY
DEFENDING AN
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY WILL DO THAT USING
THE SKILLS THAT THEY
LEARNED IN BASIC COMPUTER
SCIENCE CONTEXT, WHICH
INCLUDES THINGS LIKE
SOCIAL ENGINEERING OR
REVERSE ENGINEERING.
Reporter: STUDENT
TEAMS WORK TOGETHER TO
DEFINE AND DEFUSE POSSIBLE
THREATS.
LET'S GO THEY GO TO A
PARTICULAR IMAGE, AND
THERE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS
PRIVILEGES THAT ARE
ELEVATED THAT SHOULDN'T
BE.
THEY CAN DE-ESCALATE THOSE
PRIVILEGES.
Reporter: AND
STUDENTS EARN ANOTHER
VALUABLE TOOL: REAL-WORLD
EXPERIENCE.
THIS IS THEIR ABILITY
TO DIG INTO WHAT DOES THE
INDUSTRY OF CYBER-SECURITY
LOOK LIKE?
WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL ME
WITH THIS SKILL SET TO BE
EMPLOYED AT SOME POINT IN
THE FUTURE?
Reporter: SKILLS THAT
WE CIVILIANS CAUGHT UP IN
THE CYBER-WAR WILL
APPRECIATE.
Terry: BOY, THAT'S
THE TRUTH.
WE WILL APPRECIATE IT.
BUT WHAT A FASCINATING
STUDY.
Andrew: SCHOOL HAS
CHANGED A LOT --
Terry: I GUESS SO.
> UP NEXT, GENDER
IDENTITY, ENTERTAINMENT,
AND PERPETUAL ADOLESCENCE,
THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE
TOPICS HE IS HELPING THE
NEXT GENERATION NA NAVIGATE.
JOHN JONESTREET HELPS US,
Andrew: WELL, ANYONE
WHO HAS BEEN IN A BOAT
KNOWS THE NATURE OF THE
WATER OR THE STRENGTH OF
THE WAVES CAN SHAPE YOUR
BOATING EXPERIENCE.
AND SIMILARLY, THE WAVES
OF CULTURE CRASH INTO US
DAILY.
JOHN JONESTREET IS HELPING
THE NEXT GENERATION
NAVIGATE THE CHANGING
TIDE.
Reporter: JOHN
JONESTREET IS THE CO-HOST
OF A RADIO SHOW FOUNDED BY
THE LATE CHUCK COLSON.
JOHN SAYS AMERICA'S VIEWS
ON ISSUES LIKE GENDER
IDENTITY, TECHNOLOGY, AND
ABORTION ARE CHANGING.
THAT MEANS PARENTS,
PASTORS, AND MENTORS ARE
FACED WITH A DIFFICULT
CHALLENGE: THEY MUST
PREPARE YOUNG CHRISTIANS
TO FACE A CONFUSING WORLD.
IN HIS NEW BOOK, "A
PRACTICAL GUIDE TO
CULTURE," HE SHARES HOW WE
CAN EQUIP THE NEXT
GENERATION TO CHANGE THE
WORLD,EVEN IN UNCERTAIN
TIMES.
JOHN JOINS US NOW.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Andrew: YOU HAVE
THREE DAUGHTERS AND A
THREE-WEEK-OLD SON, A
GREAT TIME TO WRITE THE
BOOK.
HE UNCLE WILL SAY, HE
HAS FOUR REASONS.
ANY PARENT KNOWS THAT THE
CULTURE HAS CHANGED SO
FAST ON SUCH SIGNIFICANT
ISSUES THAT WE KIND OF
FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE
CAN'T KEEP UP.
BUT LEAVING OUR KIDS TO GO
INTO CULTURE WITHOUT ANY
HELP, THAT'S NOT AN
OPTION.
Andrew: WE HAVE WORDS
LIKE "CULTURE," AND WHY IS
IT IMPORTANT?
THE QUESTION IS, ARE
YOU THINKING ABOUT IT
WELL?
SOMETIMES WE THINK ABOUT
IT AS ALL OF THE BAD STUFF
THAT HAPPENS IN THE WORLD
OR THAT IS OUT THERE.
BUT CULTURE IS ALL AROUND
US.
IT IS LIKE THE WATER THAT
WE SWIM.
WE SAY CULTURE IS TO
HUMANS WHAT WATER IS TO
FISH.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT
WATER IS, DON'T ASK THE
FISH BECAUSE THEY DON'T
KNOW ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
IF WE GO MINDLESSLY INTO
CULTURE, NOT INTENTIONALLY
THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS
TRUE, WHAT IS NOT TRUE.
WHAT IS NORMAL, WHAT IS
NOT NORMAL.
AND WHY?
THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE
LIKE THE FISH WHO ARE JUST
WET AND WE'LL END UP BEING
DECEIVED.
Andrew: CHRISTIANS
CAN FALL INTO TWO CAMPS,
ALL INTO THE CULTURE AND
MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD,
AND OTHERS MAY WANT TO
HIDE IN THE CORNER, AWAY
FROM THE NEWS, AND NOT GET
INVOLVED.
WHERE SHOULD WE FALL INTO
THAT?
WE CAN'T NOT ENGAGE THE
CULTURE BECAUSE WE'RE
HUMANS.
GOD CREATED HUMANS TO MAKE
CULTURE AND BE IN CULTURE.
THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO
HIDE FROM THE CULTURE
MEANS WE'RE SELECTIVELY
HIDING.
THIS IS ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES FOR PARENTS OF
THE NEXT GENERATION --
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH KIDS
WHO GOD HAS GIFTED IN THE
MEDIA OR ART OR SCIENCE?
CULTURE RIGHT NOW HAS
REALLY BAD IDEAS IN ALL OF
THOSE AREAS.
BUT TO CHANGE THE CULTURE,
WE NEED CHRISTIANS TO GO
INTO THOSE AREAS.
ON THE FLIPSIDE, ASSUMING
THAT JUST BECAUSE
SOMETHING IS POTRAD PORTRAYED AS
NORMAL IT IS.
SO GOING IN UNCRITICALLY
IS NOT AN OPTION EITHER.
TO WALK INTO CULTURE,
ENGAGING IT WITH THE
GOSPEL, WITH A CHRISTIAN
WORLD VIEW -- THAT'S THE
SWEET SPOT.
Andrew: SOME
GENERATIONS ARE JUST
DEPRESSED AND THINK THE
GOLGOOD OL' DAYS ARE BEHIND
US.
WELL, THERE ARE GOOD
THINGS ABOUT TODAY'S
CULTURE.
WE HAVE SEEN THE PUBLIC
OPINION SHIFT ON ABORTION
BACK IN A POSITIVE
DIRECTION.
AT THE SAME TIME,
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL ON
THINGS LIKE MARRIAGE AND
SEXUALITY IS GOING IN THE
OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
SO WE'RE REALLY IN AN
INTERESTING TIME, AND ONE
THAT REQUIRES MORE
DISCERNMENT THAN ATS,
ESPECIALLY IN AN AGE OF
CONSTANT ACCESS TO
INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE
AND MEDIA.
Andrew: KIDS HAVE SO
MUCH ACCESS TO SO MUCH
INFORMATION, AND IT MAKES
PARENTING CHALLENGING
BECAUSE AM I REALLY, TRULY
THE AUTHORITY?
THE AUTHORITY THING IS
A BIG ISSUE.
IN OUR BOOK, WE TALK ABOUT
SPECIFIC WAVES OF CULTURE,
WHERE WE FEEL BATTERED AND
HAMMERED.
BUT THERE ARE THESE
UNDERCURRENTS, THINGS THAT
HAVE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED.
LIVING IN THE INFORMATION
AGE IS A BIG ONE.
SO A CHILD GROWING UP
TODAY WILL ENCOUNTER MORE
INFORMATION ON A DAILY
BASIS THAN A CHILD THAT
LIVED A COUPLE OF
CENTURIES AGO WOULD HAVE
SEEN DURING THEIR ENTIRE
LIFETIME.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
COMES ALONG WITH THAT
IS -- AND IT'S A
PROBLEM -- WHO IS THE
AUTHORITY?
THERE IS A REAL TRUST
FACTOR.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE
AUTHORITIES GIVEN TO US ON
LINE, AND THE TRADITIONAL
INSTITUTIONS LIKE HOME AND
CHURCH.
AND MANY CHILDREN HAVE HAD
BAD EXPERIENCES IN THOSE,
SO IT CREATES A CRISIS OF
AUTHORITY.
WHO TO TRUST IS ONE OF THE
GREATEST QUESTIONS
CHRISTIANS HAVE TODAY.
Andrew: AND ONE OF
THE WORST THINGS PARENTS
CAN SAY TO KIDS, IT'S IN
THE BIBLE AND JUST BELIEVE
IT.
HOW DAMAGING IS THAT?
IT IS REALLY DAMAGING
BECAUSE WHY?
WHO IS MORE RELIABLE, MY
PROFESSOR OR MY PASTOR?
MY PEER OR MY PARENT?
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE
SKEPTICS WHO NOW HAVE
YouTube CHANNELS, AND
THEY'RE CREATING DOUBT IN
OUR KIDS' MINDS.
THAT SHOULDN'T SCARE US.
THE REASONS THAT THE BIBLE
IS TRUSTWORTHY, THE
REASONS THAT THE BIBLE IS
ACTUALLY A RELIABLE
AUTHORITY -- THE RELIABLE
AUTHORITY -- ARE REALLY,
REALLY GOOD REASONS.
WE'VE GOT TO KNOW THEM
THEMSELVES AND WE'VE GOT
TO HELP OUR KIDS.
Andrew: YOUR BOOK
TALKS ABOUT HOW -- IT IS
NOT A MATTER OF IF YOUR
CHILDREN ENCOUNTER
PORNOGRAPHY, IT IS WHEN.
HOW CAN WE HELP OUR KIDS
NAVIGATE THAT SEASON IN
THEIR LIVES WHEN THEY
ENCOUNTER IT FOR THE FIRST
TIME?
WELL, I THINK THEY NEED
TO KNOW WHAT IT IS BEFORE
THEY ENCOUNTER IT.
THEY NEED TO KNOW IT IS
OUT THERE.
I'VE HAD DIFFICULT
CONVERSATIONS WITH MY KIDS
MUCH YOUNGE YOUNGER THAN I EVER
THOUGHT I WOULD BECAUSE OF
THIS.
AND JOSEPH RESISTED
PODIFER'S WIFE DAY AFTER
DAY, UNTIL ONE DAY HE GOT
UP AND GOT OUT OF THERE,
RIGHT?
MANY PARENTS DON'T KNOW
THEIR KIDS PASSWORDS, AND
THEY DON'T HAVE A
FILTERING TECHNOLOGY --
Andrew: THEY FEEL IT
IS NOT THEIR BUSINESS.
MY KIDS DESERVE PRIVACY.
LISTEN, IF YOU DON'T
HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH
YOU'RE KIDS, SOMEONE ELSE
WILL.
Andrew: I LIKE HOW
YOU SAY MY WIFE HAS ALL OF
MY PASSWORDS.
YES.
IT IS INSANE TO HAVE A
TEENAGED BOY WITH
UNFETTERED COMPUTERS IN
THE PRIVACY OF THEIR
BEDROOM.
SOMETIMES WHEN I TALK TO
KIDS, I SAY WHERE IS YOUR
COMPUTER, AND THEY SAY IN
YOUR BEDROOM.
AND SAID, TAKE IT OUT OF
THE ROOM AND PUT IT IN THE
LIVING ROOM.
SOMETIMES WE NEED THE
PRACTICAL ACCOUNTABILITY
THAT THESE MEASURES
PROVIDE.
Andrew: YOU TALK
ABOUT TRANSGENDERISM,
HOMOSEXUALITY, THOSE ARE
THE WAVES, PERHAPS.
HOW DO WE HELP THOSE KIDS
THROUGH THOSE AREAS, AND
ALSO AS CHRISTIAN PEOPLE
IN THIS CULTURE?
WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE
ON THAT?
FIRST, WE HAVE TO
RESIST THE TEMPTATION,
WHICH WE HEAR ALL OF THE
TIME IN CULTURE, THAT TO
NOT GO WITH THE TIMES IS
TO BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF
HISTORY.
IN THE BOOK, WE TRY TO BE
VERY CLEAR.
THE MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH
ABOUT THIS CULTURE IS THAT
JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE
DEAD.
NEW SUPREME COURT
DECISION, NO NEW TREND,
NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE
THAT.
WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR ON
THESE ISSUES FIRST IF
WE'RE GOING TO WALK OUR
KIDS THROUGH IT.
CHRISTIANS ARE MORE OFTEN
UNPOPULAR WITH THE CULTURE
THAN THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT
WITH THE CULTURE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD TO HAVE
THAT SAME LEVEL OF COMFORT
IN THE LAST GENERATIONS,
BUT WE NEED TO GET
COMFORTABLE WITH PLANTING
OUR FEET ON THE SCRIPTURE
AND WHAT IT HAS ABOUT
ISSUES OF TRANSGENDER AND
HOMOSEXUALITY.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
BEING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF
HISTORY.
IT IS BEING ON THE WRONG
SIDE OF RIGHT.
Andrew: AND WE NEED
TO KNOW SCRIPTURE.
THE FOURTH SECTION OF
THE BOOK IS KIND OF THE
TOOL KIT.
WHAT COOL KIT DO WE NEED?
WE CAN'T ANTICIPATE ALL OF
THE UNDERCURRENTS ARE KIDS
ARE GOING TO FACE, BUT WE
CAN GIVE THEM GOOD
EQUIPMENT.
AND ONE OF THEM IS HOW TO
READ AND TRUST THE
SCRIPTURE.
Andrew: JOHN'S BOOK
IS CALLED "THE PRACTICAL
GUIDE TO CULTURE," AND IT
IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR
FAMILIES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
BEING HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Terry: WELL, SHE HAS
A UNIQUE NAME, LIBERTY
TURNUPSEED, BUT SHE HAD NO
IDENTITY OF HER OWN.
FIND OUT HOW SHE LITERALLY
BATTLED HER OWN DEMONS.
THAT'S NEXT.
Terry: AT THE AGE OF
14, LIBERTY GOT OFF THE
SCHOOL BUS, WALKED HOME,
AND FOUND ALL OF HER
BELONGINGS IN A BOX ON HER
FRONT PORCH.
HER MOM HAD CHOSEN HER
BOYFRIEND OVER HER OWN
DAUGHTER.
BUT NOT BEFORE SHE HAD
EXPOSED HER TO THE
SINISTER WORLD OF THE
OCCULT.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
BORN.
MY OWN MOTHER DIDN'T WANT
ME.
THERE MUST HAVE BEEN
SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME
BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED ME,
YOU KNOW?
NOBODY WANTED TO RAISE ME,
LOVE ME, TAKE CARE OF ME,
LET ME BE THEIR DAUGHTER.
Reporter: LIBERTY
GREW UP WITH DEEP FEELINGS
OF REJECTION AFTER HER
MOTHER LEFT HER AND HER
BROTHER ON THEIR FATHER'S
DOORSTEP.
SHE WANTED TO PARTY.
SHE WANTED TO DO HER
THING, AND SHE COULDN'T DO
THAT WITH TWO LITTLE
BABIES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, SHE JUST
DECIDED TO GIVE US UP.
Reporter: AFTER
SEVERAL TURBULENT YEARS
WITH HER FATHER, LIBERTY
MOVED BACK IN WITH HER
MOM, WHO INTRODUCED HER TO
DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.
AT A YOUNG AGE, HER MOTHER
ALSO EXPOSED HER TO THE
OCCULT.
SHE ALWAYS HAD A LARGE
BOOK SHELF THAT WAS FULL
OF WITCHCRAFT BOOKS, WITH
SPELLS, CHANTS, WAYS TO
CURSE PEOPLE.
SHE HAD TAROT CARDS, A
OUIJA BOARD, ALL OF THAT.
THAT WAS NORMAL IN MY
MOM'S HOUSEHOLD.
Reporter: WHEN
LIBERTY WAS 14, SHE HAD AN
ARGUMENT WITH HER MOTHER'S
ABUSIVE BOYFRIEND AND
FOUND HERSELF REJECTED
AGAIN.
I CAME HOME OFF THE
BUS, AND THERE WAS A BOX
OF STUFF SITTING OUTSIDE.
THERE WAS A NOTE THAT MY
MOM HAD LEFT THAT SAID, HE
IS IN, YOU'RE OUT.
YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMEWHERE
ELSE TO LIVE.
THIS WAS MY REALITY: MY
MOM DOESN'T LOVE ME.
SHE NEVER WANTED ME.
SHE DOESN'T CARE.
Reporter: SHE FOUND
ACCEPTANCE IN THE PARTY
SCENE AND HAD
RELATIONSHIPS WITH MEN WHO
GAVE HER A PLACE TO STAY
AND SUPPLIED HER WITH
DRUGS.
I DID WHATEVER I HAD TO
DO TO SURVIVE.
I WAS ALONE AND I WAS
LOST.
THE CRYSTAL METH AND THE
DRINKING WAS VERY HEAVY.
IT WAS A DAILY THING.
IT WASN'T, LIKE, LET'S GO
PARTY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
IT WAS EVERY SINGLE DAY,
DRINKING AND DRUGS,
STAYING UP FOR DAYS.
Reporter: AND SHE
BEGAN EXPERIENCING STRANGE
PHENOMENA AND SOME
UNSETTLING SYMPTOMS.
I WAS HEARING VOICES.
I WAS SEEING THINGS.
I WOULD GET UP IN THE
NIGHT AND I WOULD FEEL
LIKE SOMETHING WAS
SPEAKING TO ME.
AND WAS COMING AFTER ME.
I HAD LITTLE OPEN SORES
AROUND MY BODY.
Reporter: A FRIEND'S
PARENTS SET UP A MEETING
WITH THEIR PASTOR.
LIBERTY RELUCTANTLY AGREED
TO SEE HIM.
I HAD NO BELIEF IN GOD
OR SPIRITUAL BEINGS OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND HE BASICALLY JUST SAID
ALL OF THESE ARE SYMPTOMS
OF A DEMONIC ATTACK ON
YOU.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL
WITH IT IS REBUKE SATAN IN
THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
Reporter: DAYS LATER
SHE HAD A TERRIFYING
ENCOUNTER.
THESE DARK IMAGES BEGAN
TO JUST COVER THE WALLS.
AND THEY WERE, LIKE,
ENCLOSING IN ON ME, LIKE
THEY WERE COMING AFTER ME.
I DID WHAT THE PASTOR DID,
AND I REBUKED IN THE NAME
OF JESUS CHRIST OF
NAZARETH.
AND THEN THE FEAR WAS
GONE.
IT WAS LITERALLY JUST
GONE.
THE DEMONS, EVERYTHING,
JUST DISAPPEARED.
Reporter: LIBERTY
SAYS SHE LEARNED THERE WAS
POWER IN THE NAME OF
JESUS, BUT KNEW LITTLE
ELSE ABOUT HIM, UNTIL A
FEW DAYS LATER WHEN SHE
WAS WATCHING TV AND CAME
ACROSS "THE 700 CLUB."
PAT ROBERTSON SAID, IS
THERE ANYONE WATCHING BY
TV, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
ASK JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE,
PRAY THIS PRAYER WITH ME.
I FELT LIKE I NEEDED THIS
JESUS THAT COULD MAKE
DEMONS FLEE.
I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO GO
TO CHURCH AND BE CALLED TO
THE ALTER.
I CAN JUST SIT RIGHT HERE
IN MY LIVING ROOM AND
ACCEPT CHRIST, YOU KNOW?
Reporter: SHE
SURRENDERED HER LIFE TO
CHRIST AND THEN FELL INTO
A DEEP SLEEP.
WHEN SHE AWOKE, SHE WAS IN
A STRUGGLE FOR HER LIFE.
SOMETHING WAS HOLDING
ME DOWN, NOT LETTING ME UP
OR SPEAK.
I FELT LIKE A HAND WAS
OVER MY MOUTH.
I JUST BEGAN TO SAY,
JESUS -- I WAS JUST TRYING
TO GET THE WORDS OUT.
AND I SAID, JESUS -- IT
WAS VERY MUFFLED, JESUS.
AND I FELT LIKE IT WAS AT
THE TOP OF MY LUNGS.
AND THE THING THAT WAS
COVERING MY MOUTH WAS
SLOWLY LEAVING, LIKE
LETTING GO.
THE LAST THING I YELLED
WAS, I REBUKE YOU IN THE
NAME OF JESUS.
AND AT THAT MOMENT,
WHATEVER WAS HOLDING ME
DOWN REMOVED ITSELF.
AND THEN I HEARD THIS
REALLY LOUD SCREAM, LIKE
AN EVIL, LOUD RETCHED
SQUEAL.
IT SOUNDED AS IF IT WAS
LEAVING.
IT COULD NO LONGER RESIDE
BECAUSE JESUS WAS NOW THE
LORD OF MY LIFE.
Reporter: LIBERTY
KNEW SHE WAS FREE.
SHE BEGAN TO THROW AWAY
ANYTHING THAT CONNECTED
HER TO THE DARKNESS SHE
ONCE ACCEPTED AS NORMAL.
I KNEW THAT THE LORD
WAS BASICALLY, IN THAT ONE
MOMENT, CLEANING UP MY
WHOLE LIFE.
HE WAS, LIKE, IT'S ALL
GONE.
I'M TAKING IT ALL AWAY
FROM YOU.
YOU'RE BEING SET FREE.
I FINALLY WAS ME.
I WAS NEVER ME BEFORE.
WHO'S LIBERTY?
WHO IS THIS GIRL THAT WAS
BORN WITH NO PURPOSE, NO
VALUE, NO REASON TO LIVE?
HE TOOK EVERYTHING OUT OF
ME AND HEALED ME OF ALL
THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT
THE WORLD BASICALLY DISHED
OUT ON ME.
MY LIFE HAS CHANGED
FOREVER BECAUSE OF THAT
DAY.
Reporter: TODAY
LIBERTY CO-PASTORS A
CHURCH WITH HER HUSBAND IN
ARIZONA, REACHING OUT TO
PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE SET
FREE BY THE LOVE OF GOD.
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN
WAITING FOR MY ENTIRE
LIFE.
AND THIS IS WHAT IT FEELS
LIKE, TO KNOW A LOVE THAT
YOU NEVER GOT, YOU NEVER
RECEIVED BEFORE.
I WAS BORN FOR A PURPOSE.
AND IT'S TO SERVE JESUS
CHRIST AND TO DO HIS WORK.
HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT
CAN SET YOU FREE.
Terry: AND TO KNOW
HIS LOVE -- YOU KNOW THE
BIBLE HAS SO MUCH WISDOM
AND TRUTH FOR US.
IN HIS WORD, GOD SAYS, I
HAVE LOVED YOU WITH AN
EVERLASTING LOVE.
AND HE TELLS US THAT
NOTHING CAN KEEP THAT LOVE
FROM US.
NOTHING CAN SEPARATE IT
FROM US.
ONCE WE SAY YES TO IT.
THAT'S WHAT LIBERTY DID
THAT MADE ALL OF THE
DIFFERENCE.
SHE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE
BEFORE THAT THAT SHE HAD
THAT CHOICE.
AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU
DON'T REALIZE, EITHER,
THAT THERE IS THE WONDER
OF THE GOODNESS OF GOD AND
HIS LOVE.
AND WILL IS EVIL, AND IT'S
ALSO REAL.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO
RULE YOUR LIFE.
NO MATTER WHAT YOUR
BEGINNING IS.
I LOOK AT LIBERTY'S LIFE,
AND THERE WAS NO ONE THERE
TO HELP HER UNDERSTAND THE
VALUE OF WHO SHE WAS, TO
HELP HER UNDERSTAND HOW TO
NAVIGATE LIFE IN ANY WAY,
SHAPE, OR FORM, TO SHARE
TRUTH OR WISDOM WITH HER.
AND SHE WENT THROUGH MANY,
MANY LOST YEARS AND MUCH
PAIN BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE
TELLS US THAT JESUS IS THE
GOOD SHEPHERD, AND THIS IS
THE PICTURE THAT I LOVE
THAT HE PAINTS: THE
SHEPHERD LEAVES HIS ENTIRE
FLOCK TO GO AFTER ONE THAT
IS LOST.
SO THOSE OF US WHO KNOW
HIM AND LOVE HIM, WE'RE
GATHERED TOGETHER, WE'RE
LINKED TOGETHER BY OUR
COMMON LOVE FOR HIM.
AND WHEN YOU'RE LOST AND
OUT THERE IN THE FAR
COUNTRY, HE'S COMING TO
FIND YOU.
HE'S COMING TO FIND YOU
RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE.
AND SO GOD IS ALWAYS
REACHING OUT TO US.
I THINK THAT'S THE PICTURE
OF JESUS ON THE CROSS, HIS
ARMS STRETCHED OUT.
HIS BLOOD COVERING OUR
SIN.
HIS LIFE BEING OFFERED SO
THAT WE COULD HAVE LIFE.
HIS LOVE BEING SHED FORTH
SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND OUR
VALUE.
LISTEN, TODAY, IF YOU IN
ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM
HAVE DABBLED IN THE
OCCULT, YOU DO WHAT SHE
DID: FIRST AND FOREMOST
INVITE JESUS CHRIST INTO
YOUR HEART AND YOUR LIFE.
SURRENDER TO HIM.
LET HIM KNOW YOU WANT HIS
LOVE.
YOU WANT HIS FORGIVENESS.
YOU WANT TO BELONG TO HIM.
AND THEN REBUKE THAT EVIL
IN THE NAME OF JESUS
CHRIST.
AND IT MUST FLEE.
IT MUST FLEE AT THE NAME
OF JESUS.
AT THE NAME OF JESUS,
EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND
EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS
THAT HE IS LORD.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOMEONE
TO CONFESS WITH YOU TODAY,
OUR TOLL-FREE NUMBER IS
1-800-700-7000.
Andrew: MAYBE YOU
NEVER PRAYED BEFORE, OR
MAYBE YOU'RE A CHRIST
FOLLOWER IN THE MIDST OF
DISCOURAGEMENT.
WE WOULD LOVE TO PRAY WITH
YOU.
WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE
WORDS: "FOR THE GRACE OF
GOD HAS APPEARED THAT
OFFERS SALVATION TO ALL
PEOPLE."
YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE
PEOPLE.
REJOICE IN WHAT THE LORD
HAS DONE.
> FOR TERRY MEEUWSEN,
I'M ANDREW KNOX, AND WE'LL
SEE YOU TOMORROW ON "700
CLUB INTERACTIVE."
BYE-BYE.