Wendy: COMING

UP...THE UNSPOKEN

QUALIFICATIONS FOR A

SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.

IT IS KIND OF AN

ENCLOSED WORLD WHERE

EVERYBODY HAS A RESUME

THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE

SAME.

Wendy: AND THAT COULD

BE ALIENATING SOME OF

AMERICA'S OTHER BEST AND

BRIGHTEST.

> PLUS, SHE IS THE MOST

DECORATED FEMALE GOSPEL OF

ALL TIME.

GET READY FOR A LIVE

PERFORMANCE FROM RECORDING

LEGEND CECE WINANS ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB."

*

Pat: WELL, WELCOME TO

"THE 700 CLUB."

OF ALL PEOPLE, RACHEL

MADDOW BECOMES THE HEROIN

OR TH THE VILLAIN, DEPENDING

ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, OF

THE TRUMP TAX SAGA.

BECAUSE SHE RELEASED THE

TAX FINDINGS, AND THEY

WERE FAVORABLE TO TRUMP.

DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL

CAMPAIGN DEMOCRATS

QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT

DONALD TRUMP HAD PAID

TAXES.

NOT ONLY DO WE KNOW HE

PAID, PUT HE PAID

$38 MILLION IN ONE YEAR.

THAT WAS THE HEADLINE

AFTER SOMEBODY LEAKED ONE

OF HIS TAX RETURNS.

DID RACHEL MADDOW HAVE A

CONSPIRATOR IN THE I.R.S.?

Wendy: MANY PEOPLE

ARE ASKING WHERE THEY CAME

FROM, JUST WHERE DID THAT

TAX RETURN COME FROM?

GARY LANE HAS THE STORY.

Reporter: TV HOST

RACHEL MADDOW RELEASED

DETAILS OF TRUMP'S LEAKED

2005 TAX RETURN ON HER

MSNBC SHOW.

SHE RECEIVED THE 1040 TAX

FORM FROM DAVID CAY

JOHNSTON.

HE OFFERED SOME

SPECULATION ON ONE

POSSIBLE SOURCE.

IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE

THAT DONALD SENT THIS TO

ME.

Reporter: DEMOCRATS

MADE DONALD TRUMP'S

UNWILLINGNESS TO RELEASE

HIS TAX RETURNS A TOP

ISSUE OF THE 2016

PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

LAST SEPTEMBER, AT THE

HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY DEBATE,

HILLARY CLINTON PRESSED

TRUMP, SUGGESTING HE WAS

HIDING SOMETHING.

MAYBE HE DOESN'T WANT

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ALL

OF YOU WATCHING TONIGHT,

TO KNOW HE HAS PAID

NOTHING IN FEDERAL TAXES.

Reporter: BUT

CONTRARY TO SPECULATION,

TRUMP'S LEAKED 2005 TAX

RETURN SHOWS HE PAID

$38 MILLION IN TAXES ON AN

INCOME OF MORE THAN

$150 MILLION.

HE ALSO PAID TENS OF

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN

ADDITIONAL EXCISE, SALES,

AND EMPLOYMENT TAXES.

HIS TAX RATE, 25%, HIGHER

THAN 2012 PRESIDENTIAL

NOMINEE MITT ROMNEY PAID

IN 2011.

RESPONDING TO THE LEAKED

TAX RETURN, THE WHITE

HOUSE RELEASED A STATEMENT

SAYING, "YOU KNOW YOU ARE

DESPERATE FOR RATINGS WHEN

YOU'RE WILLING TO VIOLATE

THE LAW TO PUSH A STORY

ABOUT TWO PAGES OF TAX

RETURNS FROM OVER A DECADE

AGO."

THE WHITE HOUSE WENT ON TO

SAY, QUOTE, "THE DISHONEST

MEDIA CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE

THIS PART OF THEIR AGENDA

WHERE THE PRESIDENT WILL

FOCUS IN ON HIS, WHICH

INCLUDES TAX REFORM THAT

WILL BENEFIT ALL

AMERICAN."

IT IS IN LEGAL FOR THE

I.R.S. OR ANYONE TO OBTAIN

AND RELEASE A PERSON'S

FEDERAL TAX RETURNS

WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION,

ALTHOUGH JOURNALISTS ARE

PROTECTED IF THEY REPORT

THE RETURNS, IF THE

INFORMATION COMES FROM AN

OUTSIDE SOURCE.

AND THE QUESTION REMAINS:

WHO SENT THE 2005 TAX

RETURNS TO JOHNSTON?

WHO ELSE HAS COPIES OF

THESE?

HOW MANY OF THEM EXIST?

Reporter: GARY LANE,

CBN NEWS.

Pat: JAY SEKULOW FROM

THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR

LAW AND JUSTICE IS WITH

US.

IT IS A CRIME FOR AN

I.R.S. AGENT TO RELEASE

SOMEBODY'S TAX RETURNS.

IT IS AMAZING THEY CAME

OUT ON THAT ULTRA LIBERAL

PROGRAM OF RACHEL MADDOW.

WHAT'S THE DEAL?

IF THE RETURNS WERE

ISSUED THROUGH THE I.R.S.,

IT IS A DIRECT VIOLATION

OF INTERNAL REVENUE CODE

7213, WHICH PROHIBITS,

UNDER THE PENALTY OF A

FELONY, THE DISCLOSURE OF

TAX RETURN OR TAX RETURN

INFORMATION.

NOW, A LONG TIME AGO, I

WAS A LAWYER FOR THE CHIEF

COUNSEL'S OFFICE OF THE

I.R.S., AND I HAD TO SIGN

THAT MANUAL.

WE WERE INSTRUCTED THAT

EVEN DURING THE COURSE OF

AN AUDIT, IF WE WERE

HANDLING LITIGATION AS

PART OF THAT, DO NOT

RELEASE TAXPAYER

INFORMATION.

YOU COULD BE SUBJECT TO

CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

SO THE QUESTION HERE IS:

WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?

IF IT CAME FROM THE

I.R.S., AN EMPLOYEE OF THE

I.R.S., IT IS A CRIME.

IF IT WAS RELEASED WITHOUT

THE CONSENT OF THE CLIENT,

IT IS ALSO A CRIME.

I THINK THIS POINTS TO --

BY THE WAY, DONALD TRUMP,

FOR THE TYPE OF BUSINESS

HE WAS IN, PAID A LOT OF

TAXES.

HE SHOULD HAVE HIRED ME.

25% IS A LOT IN THE REAL

ESTATE BUSINESS WITH

DEPRECIATION AND ALL OF

THE OTHER THINGS.

BUT THE REAL STORY IS:

WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?

I THINK RACHEL MADDOW,

LAST NIGHT -- I WATCHED

THAT WHOLE HYPED UP EVENT

ON MSNBC, AND IT WAS, PAT,

FRANKLY, LIKE A COMEDY

CENTRAL.

IT WAS RIDICULOUS.

WHAT DID IT SHOW?

THAT DONALD TRUMP MADE A

LOT OF MONEY AND PAID A

LOT OF TAXES.

BUT THE REAL STORY IS, DID

THIS COME FROM THE I.R.S.?

IF IT DID, THAT'S A CRIME.

Pat: JAY, WHAT ABOUT

THIS SECRET GOVERNMENT,

THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT?

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT

IS THERE?

I REALLY DO THINK IT IS

THERE, PAT.

I THINK IT IS THERE

BECAUSE YOU HAVE UNELECTED

BUREAUCRATS THAT ARE

UNACCOUNTABLE.

THEY ARE IN LOCK STEP WITH

THE PREVIOUS

ADMINISTRATION.

MANY OF THEM PUT THERE BY

THE PREVIOUS

ADMINISTRATION.

AND NOW THEY ARE THOSE WHO

ARE OPPOSING THE PRESIDENT

AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.

SO WHAT DO THEY DO?

THEY LEAK EXECUTIVE

ORDERS.

THEY LEAK WIRETAP

INFORMATION.

THEY EXPAND, 17 DAYS

BEFORE THE PRESIDENT,

PRESIDENT OBAMA, LEAVES

OFFICE, LEAKS INFORMATION

NOT JUST TO THE N.S.A.,

BUT TO RATHER 16 OR 17

OTHER AGENCIES, GIVING A

LOT MORE PEOPLE ACCESS TO

THE DOCUMENTS.

SO, LOOK, THERE IS A DEEP

STATE IN THAT SENSE.

THERE IS A SHADOW

GOVERNMENT.

THEY'RE OPERATING ON THE

FRINGES, AND WHAT THEY'RE

DOING IS THROUGH LEAKS,

WHETHER IT IS THE I.R.S.

OR N.S.A., TO TRY TO HARM

THE PRESIDENT'S AGENDA.

WHAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS

TO DO IS AGGRESSIVELY

REPLACE THESE INDIVIDUALS.

FIND OUT WHO THEY THEY AND THEN

REMOVE THEM.

WE'RE FINDING ALL KINDS OF

INFORMATION ABOUT WHO WAS

IN CONTACT WITH WHO AND

WHO IS STILL THERE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING ONE

ON THIS I.R.S. MATTER, TO

FIND OUT WHO IS IN CHARGE

OF TAXPAYER RETURN

INFORMATION, TO SEE IF

THERE IS ANY INFORMATION

THERE THAT CAN BE GLEANED.

BUT JEFF SESSIONS NEEDS TO

GET A GRAND JURY IMPANELED

ON THE N.S.A. LEAKS.

Pat: YOU EMPANEL A

GRAND JURY AND BRING THIS

INFORMATION BEFORE THEM?

IS THAT THE BEST WAY TO DO

IT?

YES.

BECAUSE THESE ARE

POTENTIAL CRIMES.

THE SHARING OF N.S.A. DATA

IS A FELON.

GET PEOPLE UNDER OATH,

ADMINISTER THE APPROPRIATE

QUESTIONING, AND IF

SOMEONE HAS VIOLATED THE

LAW, YOU INITIATE SOME

PROSECUTIONS.

YOU PUT TWO OR THREE

PEOPLE IN JAIL, AND GUESS

WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE

ANYMORE: LEAKS.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

Pat: DO YOU HAVE ANY

PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF ANY

PERSON OR GROUPS AT THE

CENTER OF ALL OF THIS?

ONE OF OUR FREEDOM OF

INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS

WILL INCLUDE -- ARE YOU

READY FOR THIS -- 64,000

E-MAILS.

64,000 E-MAILS.

I SUSPECT IN THOSE

E-MAILS, NOT ONLY THE

SUBSTANCE OF WHAT IS IN

THERE, BUT WHO WAS

RECEIVING THEM AND WHO WAS

RESPONDING WILL TELL US A

LOT.

DO I HAVE THE DATA RIGHT

NOW?

NO.

WE'RE JUST STARTING TO GET

THE EVIDENCE.

BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF

JUSTICE CAN GET IT.

WE HAVE TO WORK OUTSIDE,

THROUGH THE FREEDOM OF

INFORMATION ACT REQUEST,

BUT WE'RE DOING THAT.

64,000 E-MAILS ON ONE

ISSUE.

AND WHEN JAMES ROSEN FROM

FOX NEWS REPORTED THAT THE

IRAN NEGOTIATIONS WERE

ACTUALLY GOING ON DURING

THE AHMADINEJAD REGIME, WE

SENT A REQUEST WHEN THAT

VERY BIZARRE VIDEO WAS

EDITED TO REMOVES THE

DATES, BASICALLY, FROM

THOSE VIDEO REPORTS, AND

WE GOT A CONFIDENTIAL,

SENSITIVE REPORT, MARKED

"UNCLASSIFIED," THAT

SHOWED THERE WAS

INTENTIONAL TAMPERING WITH

THE VIDEO.

SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC

AFFAIRS OFFICE CONTACTED

THEIR PRODUCTION OFFICE

AND SAID, EDIT THIS

SECTION OUT, BECAUSE OF A

FOX NEWS REPORT.

WE'RE FINDING OUT WHO

THOSE PEOPLE ARE.

SO WE'LL GET IT.

THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

CAN GET IT.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE

UNELECTED, UNACCOUNTABLE

BUREAUCRATS DEEP IN THESE

AGENCIES THAT ARE CAUSING

A LOT OF MISCHIEF.

Pat: WOULD THIS BE

LIKE A SIDE SHOW?

IF WE DO THIS, WILL IT

TAKE US AWAY FROM TAX

REFORM OR OBAMA REPEAL?

OR IS IT IMPORTANT TO GET

AT IT RIGHT AWAY?

I THINK YOU GET AT IT

RIGHT AWAY.

I THINK YOU CAN DO TWO

THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.

EMPLOY INDIVIDUALS TO DO

THE APPROPRIATE

INVESTIGATIONS, AND THEN

FOCUS ON GETTING

LEGISLATIVE REFORM DONE,

WHETHER IT IS THE TAX

BILL, WHETHER IT IS THE

AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT,

WHICH IS UP RIGHT NOW --

LEGISLATION NEEDS TO MOVE

FORWARD HERE FROM THIS

WHITE HOUSE.

YOU CAN INVESTIGATE AND

LEGISLATE AT THE SAME

TIME.

Pat: AND, ALSO, IT

LOOKS LIKE PROSECUTE.

YEAH.

YOU CAN'T ALLOW -- THE

I.R.S. IS INSTITUTIONALLY

INCAPABLE OF

SELF-CORRECTING.

WE SAW THOSE WITH THE

I.R.S. CASES.

AND WE WON THOSE AT THE

COURT OF APPEALS.

THE FACT IS, AT THE END OF

THE DAY WE WON, AND WE GOT

A GREAT COURT DECISION,

BUT NO ONE HAS BEEN HELD

ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING.

AND THAT'S THE REAL

PROBLEM WITH THIS.

I THINK THE INVESTIGATIONS

INTERNALLY NEED TO GO ON.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A

LEGISLATIVE SHOT, AND

THEY'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO

WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE

SAME TIME.

THEY CAN.

THEY WILL.

AND, FRANKLY, THEY MUST.

Pat: KEEP IT UP, JAY.

FIGHTING FOR YOU AND ME.

INTERESTING.

Wendy: AMAZING.

> WELL, COMING UP LATER,

WE'RE LIVE WITH CECE

WINANS, AND SHE IS GOING

TO GIVE US A PREVIEW OF

THE FIRST SOLO ALBUM SHE

HAS RECORDED IN NINE

YEARS.

> BUT, FIRST, WHETHER

THEY'RE LIBERAL OR

CONSERVATIVE, THE MEMBERS

OF THE SUPREME COURT HAVE

THIS ONE THING IN COMMON.

YOU'LL SEE WHAT IT IS, AND

WHY IT MAY BE HURTING THE

REST OF AMERICA, NEXT.

Pat: WELL, WE'RE BACK

WITH "THE 700 CLUB."

THERE ARE SOME PRIVILEGED

PEOPLE IN THIS NATION.

AND I'M ONE OF THEM.

Wendy: AND YOU'RE ONE

OF THEM.

Pat: I'M ONE OF THEM.

Wendy: YOU WERE AN

IVY LEAGUER, AND YOU WENT

TO YALE LAW SCHOOL.

Pat: I HAVE A JURIST

DOCTORATE DEGREE FROM

YALE.

SO WHAT?

Wendy: WELL, I'M

IMPRESSED.

Pat: INTERESTINGLY,

THE SUPREME COURT HAS MEN

AND WOMEN IN IT, PEOPLE OF

DIFFERENT RACES AND

RELIGIONS, BUT THERE IS

ONE THING IN COMMON: THEY

ALL ATTENDED EITHER

HARVARD LAW SCHOOL OR YALE

SCHOOL.

Reporter: WHEN IT

COMES TO CHOOSING A

SUPREME COURT NOMINEE, THE

CONSTITUTION DOESN'T

INCLUDE ANY CHECK LIST FOR

QUALIFICATIONS.

NO GUIDANCE ON AGE,

BIRTHPLACE OR EDUCATION.

WHAT SHOULD MATTER IS

YOUR APPROACH TO JUDGING

AND WHETHER YOU'RE GOING

TO INTERPRET THE LAW WITH

FIDELITY AND APPLY IT

EQUALLY TO ALL PEOPLE.

Reporter: STILL, MOST

HIGH COURT RESUMES INCLUDE

AN UNSPOKEN NOMINATION,

AND THAT INCLUDES NEIL

GORSUCH.

HARVARD AND YALE GRADUATES

DOMINATE THE SUPREME

COURT.

RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT

WHETHER HAVING A LAW

DEGREE FROM THESE TWO

SCHOOLS IS A PREREQUISITE

FOR THE JOB.

JOHN MALCOLM OVERSEES THE

HERITAGE FOUNDATION'S

EFFORT TO INCREASE

UNDERSTANDING OF THE

CONSTITUTION AND THE RULE

OF LAW.

HE SUGGESTED EIGHT

CANDIDATES TO REPLACE ANT

SCAL SCAL.

ANTONIN SCALIA.

IT WAS A DIVERSE LIST.

INCLUDING NAMES FROM A

WIDE RANGE OF LAW SCHOOLS.

I BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT

SHOULD CAST A WIDE NET.

Reporter: FIVE OF HIS

RECOMMENDATIONS ENDED UP

ON PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SHORT

LIST.

IN THE END, HE NOMINATED

GORSUCH.

SOME QUESTION WHETHER SUCH

AN ELITE GROUP OF

INDIVIDUALS CAN REPRESENT

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,

HAVING LITTLE IN COMMON

WITH THEM.

MALCOLM SAYS YES,

PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY'RE

MEANT TO PREFLECT THE REFLECT THE

CONSTITUTION, NOT THE

PUBLIC.

IT IS NOT CRITICAL TO

THE ACT OF JUDGING IF WHAT

YOU'RE DOING IS TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT THE MEANING OF

THE LAW.

THE JUSTICES ARE VERY

SMART PEOPLE, AND THEIR

OFFICIAL JOB IS O TO TO

INTERPRET THE

CONSTITUTION.

SO IN THEORY, IT'S A

TECHNICAL JOB.

BUT IN PRACTICE, PEOPLE

BRING LIFE EXPERIENCE TO

IT.

Reporter: LEMANN ALSO

POINTS OUT, EVEN WHEN

DISAGREEING, CURRENT

JUSTICES OFTEN REASON IN

SIMILAR WAYS BECAUSE OF

THEIR ACADEMIC CULTURE.

IN ORDER TO FIND A

DIFFERENT CULTURE, WE

WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO

1981, WHEN PRESIDENT

REAGAN NOMINATED SANDRA

DAY O'CONNOR.

SINCE THEN, IT HAS BEEN

ALL HARVARD AND YALE.

IT IS KIND OF AN

ENCLOSED WORLD WHERE

EVERYBODY HAS A RESUME

THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE

SAME.

AND THEY TEND TO LOOK FOR

PEOPLE LIKE THEMSELVES TO,

YOU KNOW, REPLENISH THE

RANKS.

Reporter: IN FACT,

JUDGES PRETTY MUCH TRAVEL

A SIMILAR PATH TO MAKE IT

TO THE HIGH COURT.

FIRST, YOU WOULD GET A

DEGREE FROM ONLY HARVARD

OR YALE.

YOUR NEXT STOP WOULD BE AS

A LAW CLERK, FOLLOWED BY

TIME IN GOVERNMENT

SERVICE.

FOLLOW THAT UP WITH A

STINT TEACHING AT A

PRESTIGIOUS LAW SCHOOL,

AND FINALLY WORK AS A

LOWER COURT FEDERAL JUDGE.

IT IS BEST TO AVOID TAKING

A JOB AT POLITICAL

ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE

ACLU, OR AS A LEGAL AID

LAWYER.

RUTH BADER GINSBURG WORKED

AS A WOMEN'S RIGHT LAWYER

AT THE ACLU BEFORE HER

NOMINATION TO THE FEDERAL

BENCH.

IN 2011, SHE SAID THAT

ACLU CONNECTION WOULD

PROBABLY DISQUALIFY HER

TODAY.

AND JUST AS CLARENCE

THOMAS POINTED OUT THAT NO

MEMBER OF THE SUPREME

COURT COMES FROM THE

HEARTLAND OF AMERICA.

LEMANN SAYS JUDGES WITH

IMPECCABLE BACKGROUNDS ARE

MORE LIKELY TO SAIL

THROUGH THE SENATE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS

WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP PILD

NEIL GORSUCH.

IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY

THAT HE WENT TO AN IVY

LEAGUE SCHOOL, BUT MORE HE

WOULD HAVE AN EASY TIME IN

THE CONFIRMATION PROCESS.

Reporter: BUT THE IVY

LEAGUE TREND COULD BE

COMING TO AN END.

DONALD TRUMP COULD LIKELY

APPOINT ONE MORE JUSTICE

DURING HIS PRESIDENCY, AND

HE COULD CHOOSE ONE OF HIS

OTHER FINALISTS.

JUDGE THOMAS HARDIMAN,

WHO'S LAW DEGREE COMES

FROM GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY

IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

EITHER OF THOSE CHOICES

COULD GIVE THE SUPREME

COURT A NEW DIVERSITIY OF

EXPERIENCE, BRINGING IN A

JUSTICE FROM OUTSIDE THE

HALLS OF HARVARD OR YALE,

AND FROM A DIFFERENT PART

OF AMERICA.

CAITLIN BURKE, CBN NEWS,

NEW YORK.

Pat: I'LL TELL YOU A

DIRTY LITTLE SECRET ABOUT

YALE LAW SCHOOL.

GUESS WHAT?

WHEN I WAS A STUDENT AT

YALE LAW SCHOOL, AND I

GRADUATED AFTER THREE

YEARS, WE DIDN'T ONCE READ

THE CONSTITUTION.

NOT ONE TIME DID WE

ACTUALLY TAKE THE TEXT OF

THE CONSTITUTION AND READ

IT.

GUESS WHAT WE STARTED

WITH?

Wendy: I BET THEY DO

AT REGENT LAW SCHOOL?

Pat: YOU BETTER

BELIEVE IT.

BUT GUESS WHAT WE STARTED

WITH.

THE FIRST CASE WAS

MARBERRY VERSUS MADISON,

WHICH WAS AN ASSERTION

THAT THE COURTS WERE ABOVE

THE CONGRESS.

THAT WAS THE DOMINATION OF

THE COURSE.

THEN YOU'VE GOT A CASE

BOOK THAT YOU SELECTIVELY

PICKED THE CASES THAT

FOLLOWED THE PROFESSOR WHO

PUT TOGETHER THE CASE

BOOK.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU

STUDIED.

NEVER ONCE DID WE SIT DOWN

AND SAY, LET'S PARSE THE

CONSTITUTION ITSELF.

Wendy: BUT TODAY, WE

DON'T KNOW --

Pat: BELIEVE ME, THEY

DON'T.

THEY OPPOSED ONE OF THEIR

OWN GRADUATES, THE LAW OF

FACULTY WAS AGAINST THE

NOMINATION OF A WONDERFUL

JUDGE, WHO IS ON THE COURT

RIGHT NOW, JUDGE SAMUEL

ALITO.

THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IT.

THE FACULTY IS SO STINKING

LEFT WING --

Wendy: DO YOU THINK

IT HURTS HAVING ALL OF THE

JUDGES BEING FROM ONE

SECTION --

Pat: OF COURSE IT

DOES.

YOU HAVE ONE INT

INTELLECTUAL STRAIN.

WE HAVE OTHER LAW SCHOOLS

THAT DO VERY WELL.

AND I THINK IT IS TIME TO

BREAK FREE OF THIS

BONDAGE.

WENDY?

Wendy: WELL, SHE IS A

MEMBER OF THE FIRST FAMILY

OF GOSPEL MUSIC.

AND WITH HER OTHER NINE

SIBLINGS, THEY HAVE

COMBINED TO SELL MORE THAN

10 MILLION RECORDS.

CECE WINANS IS WITH US

LIVE, AFTER THIS.

Wendy: CECE WINANS

HAS HAD A STORIED CAREER

IN SHOW BUSINESS.

SHE HAS A STAR ON THE

HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME,

AND IS ALSO A MEMBER OF

THE GOSPEL HALL OF FAME.

HER LAST FEW YEARS HAVE

BEEN SPENT WORKING ON

SOMETHING FAR AWAY FROM

THE LIMELIGHT.

Reporter: SHE IS THE

MOST AWARDED FEMALE GOSPEL

ARTIST OF ALL TIME.

CECE WINANS HAS WON 10

GRAMMYS, 20 DOVE AWARDS,

AND A HOST OF OTHERS.

AND SHE IS THE CO-PASTOR

OF NATURAL LIFE CHURCH IN

TENNESSEE, ALONG WITH HER

HUSBAND.

AFTER ALMOST A DECADE, SHE

HAS RELEASED A NEW SOLO

ALBUM.

HER NEWEST ALBUM "LET THEM

FALL IN LOVE," FEATURES A

FRESH, NEW SOUND.

Wendy: CECE WINANS IS

WITH US HERE NOW.

WELCOME BACK TO "THE 700

CLUB."

HI.

GLAD TO BE BACK.

Wendy: YOU WERE LAST

HERE IN 2011.

I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A

LONG TIME.

Wendy: SINCE THEN,

YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND

STARTED A CHURCH.

YES.

Wendy: HOW DID THAT

COME ABOUT?

A FEW OF MY SON'S

FRIENDS CAME TO THE HOUSE

AND WE STARTED DOING A

BIBLE STUDY, AND THAT

STARTED OUR CHURCH.

IT WASN'T OUR PLAN, BUT IT

WAS GOD'S PLAN.

THEY CAME IN, PROBABLY

ABOUT 30 YOUNG PEOPLE, AND

THE HOLY SPIRIT JUST

TRANSFORMED THEM.

AND THEN THEY CAME BACK,

AND WE DID IT AGAIN, AND

THERE WAS ABOUT 80 YOUNG

PEOPLE IN OUR HOME.

AND GOD BIRTHED OUT

NATIONAL LIFE.

Wendy: YOUR CHURCH

HAS A LOT OF MILLENNIAL

PEOPLE.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS MADE

UP OF.

Wendy: THIS IS YOUR

FIRST ALBUM IN NINE YEARS.

YES.

A LONG TIME.

Wendy: WHAT MADE YOU

GET BACK -- YOUR FIRST

SOLO ONE, I SHOULD SAY.

WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO GET

BACK INTO THE RECORDING

FIELD?

WELL, I NEVER REALLY

WANTED TO STOP.

BUT WHEN WE STARTED

BUILDING THE CHURCH, ANY

PASTOR KNOWS YOU HAVE TO

FOCUS AND GIVE IT ALL OF

YOUR TIME.

AND TOWARDS THE END OF

2015, I REALIZED I HAD A

LITTLE MORE TIME.

BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN SO

LONG, MY PRAYER WAS, LORD,

MAKE IT IMPACTFUL.

MAKE IT THE BEST THING I

HAD DONE, SO WHEN PEOPLE

HEAR IT, THEY WOULD FALL

IN LOVE WITH YOU.

Wendy: TELL US ABOUT

IT?

THERE ARE A LOT OF

DIFFERENT STYLES.

Wendy: I LIKE THE ONE

CALLED "HEY, DEVIL."

IT WAS A SOUND FROM THE

'60s, KIND OF A RETRO,

THROWBACK.

IT IS BIG BANDS, ALL LIVE

MUSIC.

WE HAD A 40-PIECE

ORCHESTRA.

AND MY SON IS THE PRODUCER

OF THIS RECORD.

HE HAD THE VISION FOR IT.

Wendy: WHAT'S HIS

NAME?

ALVIN LOVE THE THIRD,

IS THIS NAME.

THIS IS PRETTY POWERFUL.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF

THE SONGS WE HAVE ON HERE.

WE HAVE ONE CALLED "PACE

FROM GOD."

AND OU"PEACE FROM GOD."

AND OUR NATION NEEDS

PEACE.

IT'S A RIDE, AND SO YOU

HAVE TO ENJOY THE RIDE.

Wendy: AND THE TITLE

IS "LET THEM FALL IN

LOVE."

I KNEW I WANTED THAT TO

BE THE TITLE OF THE RECORD

BEFORE I HEARD ALL OF THE

SONGS.

BECAUSE THAT WAS MY

PRAYER, THAT WHEN THEY

HEAR THE RECORD, THEIR

HEARTS WOULD TURN TOWARDS

JESUS.

THAT'S THE SECRET TO LIFE,

BEING IN LOVE WITH THE

FATHER AND ALLOWING HIM TO

GUIDE YOUR LIFE.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU

ARE GOING TO FIND PEACE

AND HAPPINESS AND JOY.

THAT'S THE SECRET: FALL IN

LOVE WITH JESUS.

Wendy: CAN YOU

REMEMBER A TIME WHEN YOU

WEREN'T IN LOVE WITH

JESUS?

NO, I CAN'T REMEMBER A

TIME WHEN I WASN'T IN LOVE

WITH HIM.

I DEFINITELY HAD TRIALS

AND TRIBULATIONS IN LIFE,

BUT BECAUSE I FELL IN LOVE

WITH HIM AT A VERY YOUNG

AGE, I ALWAYS KNEW I HAD A

PLACE OF REFUGE.

AND HE IS FAITHFUL AND

TRUE.

AND HE IS FAITHFUL NOT

JUST TO ME, BUT EVEN

THROUGH THIS RECORD, I SAW

HOW FAITHFUL HE IS TO

EVERY GENERATION.

AND TO HEAR THE SONGS THAT

MY SON WROTE FOR THIS

RECORD, AS A MOM, I JUST

WOULD FIND MYSELF CRYING

AT NIGHT, SAYING, LORD, I

THANK YOU.

I THANK YOU BECAUSE HE HAS

GOT IT.

I ONLY HAVE TWO CHILDREN,

AND MY PRAYER IS THAT THEY

FALL IN LOVE WITH JESUS,

AND THEY BOTH ARE IN LOVE

WITH JESUS.

Wendy: IT IS SO NICE

TO HEAR THERE ARE SO MANY

YOUNG PEOPLE AT YOUR

CHURCH.

BECAUSE AT SO MANY

CHURCHES YOU SEE ALL OF

THE GREY-HAIRED PEOPLE --

AND THAT'S GREAT, TOO --

THAT'S GREAT, TOO.

BUT WE HAVE TO GET TO THE

YOUNG PEOPLE.

IN OUR CHURCH YOU'LL SEE

DIFFERENT SKIN COLORS AND

BACKGROUNDS.

IT IS LIKE HEAVEN ON

EARTH, IT REALLY IS.

Wendy: THAT'S LIKE MY

CHURCH HERE IN VIRGINIA

BEACH.

IT IS PROBABLY 60%

AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND

PROBABLY 40% EVERYTHING

ELSE.

> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE

YOUR CHURCH AT

NON-DENOMINATIONAL?

YES, IT'S

NON-DENOMINATIONAL.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE

MAIN THING REMAINS THE

MAIN THING.

WE LOVE GOD AND WE LOVE

PEOPLE.

Wendy: TELL US ABOUT

THE SONG YOU'RE GOING TO

SING FOR US NOW?

IT IS WONDERFUL TO KNOW

GOD IS WITH YOU.

HE SAID, I WILL NEVER

LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU.

IF GOD BEFORE YOU, WHO CAN

BE AGAINST YOU.

YOU KNOW THAT EVERYTHING

IS GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT,

SO YOU NEVER HAVE TO BE

ALONE.

Wendy: CECE, WE'RE

GOING TO LET YOU GO AHEAD

AND GET READY FOR THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SO

BLESSED BY THAT.

YOU CAN SEE MORE OF CECE

BY GOING TO OUR Facebook

PAGE,

Facebook.com/700club.

AND ON THERE, YOU CAN

WATCH AN EXCLUSIVE

BEHIND-THE-SCENES

INTERVIEW THAT SHE DID

WITH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA

TEAM.

SO YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS

THAT.

AND DON'T FORGET, CECE'S

LATEST ALBUM IS CALLED

"LET THEM FALL IN LOVE."

IT IS SURE TO BE A HIT,

AND IT IS AVAILABLE

WHEREVER MUSIC IS SOLD.

FOR A PREVIEW OF THAT

RECORD, HERE IS CECE

WINANS NOW, WITH THE SONG

"NEVER HAVE TO BE ALONE."

*

[APPLAUSE]

* WAKING UP, ANOTHER HAPPY

THOUGHT *

* AND BURDENS I CAN'T

BEAR *

* DOES ANYBODY CARE

* SEEING MOST OF WHAT I'M

MISSING, AND LESS OF WHAT

I HAVE TO SHARE *

* MILES AWAY FROM WHAT I

NEED *

* AND YET SO CLOSE WHEN

I'M IN PRAYER *

* THAT'S WHEN I CLOSE

EYES *

* I TAKE SOME TIME AND

REALIZE *

* THAT HE WAS ALWAYS

THERE *

* THE TRUTH IS HE NEVER

LEFT *

* THAT IS WHAT THE SPIRIT

SAYS *

* AND I BELIEVE IT SO

* I NEVER HAVE TO BE

ALONE *

* OOH

* WAKING UP, ANOTHER CROSS

TODAY *

* SO MUCH IS ON MY MIND

* OPEN UP SO HE CAN

BREATHE AGAIN *

* AND PUT THE STORM TO

REST *

* THAT'S WHEN I CLOSE MY

EYES *

* I TAKE SOME TIME AND

REALIZE *

* THAT HE WAS ALWAYS

THERE *

* TRUTH IS HE NEVER LEFT

* THAT IS WHAT THE SPIRIT

SAYS *

* AND I BELIEVE IT SO

* NEVER HAVE TO BE ALONE

* H'MMM

* LONELY HEARTS, DON'T

DESERT THE ONE YOU KNOW

WILL LOVE YOU BEST *

* OPEN UP SO HE CAN

BREATHE AGAIN *

* AND PUT THE STORM TO

REST *

* THAT'S WHEN I CLOSE MY

EYES *

* I TAKE SOME TIME AND

REALIZE *

* THAT HE WAS ALWAYS

THERE *

* THE TRUTH IS HE NEVER

LEFT *

* THAT IS WHAT THE SPIRIT

SAYS *

* AND I BELIEVE IT SO

* I NEVER HAVE TO BE

ALONE *

* I NEVER HAVE TO BE

ALONE *

[APPLAUSE]

Wendy: UP NEXT, OUR

CHATROOM IS OPEN, AND WE

WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

WE'LL "BRING IT ON" WITH

YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO DON'T GO AWAY.

Efrem: WELCOME BACK

TO WASHINGTON FOR THIS CBN

SNOOZCBNNEWSBREAK.

EIGHT AID WORKERS HAVE

BEEN RELEASED BY

KIDNAPPERS IN SOUTH SUDAN.

THEY WERE ABDUCTED EARLIER

THIS WEEKEND AND LET GO

TUESDAY.

"SAMARITAN'S PURSE", RUN

BY FRANK GRAHAM, SAID THEY

ARE THANKFUL TO GOD FOR

THE RELEASE OF THEIR SOUTH

SUDANESE NATIONAL STAFF.

THE WORKERS WERE TAKEN

FROM A VILLAGE NEAR THE

CAPITAL CITY.

VIOLENCE IN THE REGION HAS

BEEN ON THE RISE, AND MANY

ARE FACING SEVERE FAMINE.

> THE FOUNDER OF FORMER

MEMBER OF A SATANIC CHURCH

IN TEXAS IS NOW A

CHRISTIAN.

JACOB McKELVI STARTED

THE GREATER CHURCH OF

LUCIFER, WHICH GREW INTO A

NATIONWIDE MOVEMENT.

WHILE MANY TEXAS CHURCHES

HAD PROTESTED HIM, HE SAYS

ULTIMATELY IT WAS THE LOVE

HE FELT DURING A

CONVERSATION WITH A

CHRISTIAN PASTOR THAT

REALLY WON HIM OVER.

HE TELLS CBN NEWS HIS

EXPERIENCE WITH THE LOVE

OF GOD CHANGED HIM

FOREVER.

THE POWER AND PEACE AND

WHOLENESS THAT I FEEL

TODAY IS FAR GREATER THAN

ANYTHING THAT I'VE EVER

FELT BEFORE.

AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE

WATCHING US -- AND I'M

SURE PEOPLE FROM MY PAST

WILL BE WATCHING THIS -- I

WAS WRONG.

I WAS DEEPLY AND SORELY

WRONG.

I CREATED A CHURCH TO

DESTROY DOGMATIC RELIGION,

AND HE STILL LOVED ME.

SO IF HE CAN STILL LOVE

ME, FOR ME TO BE HERE

TODAY, TALKING TO YOU,

THEN THERE ARE NO EXCUSES

ANYMORE.

Efrem: HE AND HIS

WIFE OFFICIALLY DENOUNCED

ALL TIES TO LUCIFERISM IN

2015.

AND NOW HE SERVES AS A

MINISTER AND IS DEDICATED

TO PROVE TO THE WORLD THAT

JESUS SAVES.

AND THE GREATER CHURCH OF

LUCIFER HAS CLOSED ITS

DOORS.

YOU CAN READ MORE ABOUT

THIS STORY AND SEE THE

FULL INTERVIEW WITH MAC

KELVI, ON cbnnews.com.

PAT AND WENDY WILL BE BACK

WITH MORE OF "THE 700

CLUB" RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Wendy: AND WELCOME

BACK TO "THE 700 CLUB."

IT IS TIME TO "BRING IT

ON" WITH YOUR E-MAIL

QUESTIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH

CARL, WHO WRITES, "DID I

UNDERSTAND YOUR STATEMENT

ON A PREVIOUS SHOW

CORRECTLY, THAT COUPLES

LIVING TOGETHER, AVOIDING

THE SOCIAL SECURITY LAW,

SHOULD GO BEFORE THE

CHURCH AND GET MARRIED AND

FORGET ABOUT A LICENSE

BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A PIECE

OF PAPER.

IF SO, IS THE MINISTER

VIOLATING THE LAW?

I AGREE WITH YOUR IDEA,

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I

WOULDN'T BE BREAKING THE

LAW BY DOING SO."

Pat: THERE IS NO LAW

TO BREAK ABOUT GETTING

MARRIED.

YOU CAN GET MARRIED AND

SAY, I'M MARRIED.

WHAT I WAS SAYING,

ESSENTIALLY, IS YOU NEED

TO SOLIDIFY A

RELATIONSHIP.

JUST LIVING TOGETHER

DOESN'T FULFILL THE

BIBLICAL MANDATE OF

MARRIAGE.

YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING

WHERE YOU COMMIT YOURSELF

TO YOUR SPOUSE, AND IT IS

SOLIDIFIED.

BEFORE GOD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN

TO A CLERK AT A COURT AND

GET A LICENSE.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE

BREAKING ANY LAW BECAUSE

OF THAT.

YOU SAY, I'M MARRIED.

OKAY, YOU'RE MARRIED.

AND LET THEM DETERMINE

YOU'RE NOT.

WHAT ELSE?

Wendy: JERRY SAYS,

"HI, PAT.

IN HEAVEN, WILL PEOPLE

REMEMBER HAPPENINGS IN

THEIR LIFE THAT THEY DON'T

WANT TO REMEMBER?"

Pat: I HAVE A FEELING

THERE WILL BE NO TEARS AND

NO SORROW IN HEAVEN.

AND THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT

THE SEA OF GOD'S

FORGETFULNESS.

THE THING ABOUT HEAVEN IS

WE'RE GOING TO BE

SPIRITUAL BEINGS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE IN

THE PRESENCE OF GOD, AND

WE'RE GOING TO BE SO

CONSUMED WITH THE JOY AND

THE GLORY OF GOD, THAT ALL

OF THIS STUFF IS GOING TO

FADE INTO INSIGNIFICANCE.

RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS A

BIG DEAL.

ALL RIGHT, I LIED ON MY

TAXES OR STOLE MONEY OR

CHEATED ON MY WIFE -- ALL

OF THAT IS NOT GOING TO

HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE IN

HEAVEN BECAUSE WE'LL BE IN

THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND IT

WILL BE SO GLORIOUS.

I THINK THAT'S THE FOCUS

OF OUR LIFE, NOT WILL WE

CARRY OVER THOSE MEMORIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL OR

NOT.

BUT THE CHANCES ARE GOD

CAN CAUSE US TO FORGET.

HE SAYS THERE WON'T BE ANY

SORROW, ANY TEARS.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT REGRET

AND SORROW, THAT MEANS

HE'LL TAKE AWAY THE THINGS

THAT CAUSE SORROW WHEN

YOU'RE IN HEAVEN.

Wendy: "DEAR PAT,"

THE BIBLE SAYS HE GREW UP

BEFORE HIM LIKE A TENDER

CHUTE AND LIKE A ROUTE OUT

OF DRY GROUND.

NOTHING IN HIS APPEARANCE

THAT WE SHOULD DESIRE HIM.

THIS WAS REFERING TO OUR

LORD JESUS.

SO I WONDER, WHY WASN'T

THERE TO LOOK AT?

WHY DID GOD COME AND

BECOME SO ORDINARY?

WAS THAT A PART OF HIM

HUMBLING HIMSELF INTO

FULLY HUMAN BUT ALSO FULLY

GOD?"

Pat: THERE WAS ONE

PART OF THE BIBLE THAT

SAID HE WAS BEATEN SO

BADLY HE DIDN'T EVEN LOOK

HUMAN.

HE WAS SO BADLY BEATEN --

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE

THINGS THAT MEL GIBSON GOT

IN THAT SERIES HE DID ON

"THE PASSION OF THE

CHRIST."

IT WAS SO BAD HE DIDN'T

EVEN LOOK HUMAN.

HE WASN'T SOME ADONNAS.

THIS BEAUTIFUL GUY WITH

THIS BIG PHYSIQUE AND ALL

OF THIS PRETTY STUFF.

BUT HE WAS HUMBLE.

LIKE A ROOT ON A DRY

GROUND, HE WAS SUBJECT TO

THE VAGARIES OF LIFE.

HE WAS BORN IN A STABLE.

HE HAD NONE OF THE MAJESTY

YOU WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH

ROYALTY AND WEALTH AND

POWER AND ALL OF THAT,

BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY GOD

WANTED HIM.

SO WE COULD IDENTIFY.

I COULD IDENTIFY WITH A

SAVIOR THAT WAS BORN IN A

STABLE.

I HAVE A HARD TIME

IDENTIFYING WITH SOME

SUPERMAN, WITH ALL KINDS

OF MUSCLES AND BEAUTY.

HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, AND

THAT WAS GOD'S PLAN.

SO WHAT WE DESIRED WAS THE

SPIRIT THAT WAS IN HIM,

NOT HIS OUTWARD

APPEARANCE.

Wendy: CAROL SAYS, "I

HAVE BEEN AND CURRENTLY AM

ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS FOR 45

YEARS.

MY FIRST HUSBAND HAD A HOT

TEMPER AND AFTER 27 YEARS,

I LEFT HIM.

I MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE

THAT TURNED OUT TO BE LIKE

MY FIRST HUSBAND.

HOW DO I CONTINUE LIVING

WITH A MAN WHO HAS A HARD

TEMPER DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

LUCKILY WE DON'T HAVE ANY

KIDS."

Pat: YOU'RE DRAWN TO

THE SAME KIND OF PERSON.

I'M NOT SURE THAT YOUR

SECOND MARRIAGE HAS

VALIDITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GOT

DIVORCED THE FIRST TIME.

SO I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH

ABOUT YOU.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU

DON'T NEED TO LIVE IN A

SITUATION THAT IS HELL ON

EARTH.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE

TORTURED.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE

ABUSED.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SET

YOURSELF UP BECAUSE OF

SOME RULE THAT SAYS YOU

CAN'T GET DIVORCED.

ALL RIGHT.

Wendy: JESUS LOVES

HER AND WANTS HER TO BE

FREE FROM THAT DEPRESSION.

Pat: I THINK THAT'S

EXACTLY IT.

Wendy: JOE ELLEN

SAYS, "MY DOCTOR WANTS TO

PUT ME ON A STATIN DRUG.

CAN YOU PLEASE REMIND ME

WHY THEY ARE SO BAD?

I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE I GO

IN FOR MY FOLLOWUP

APPOINTMENT."

Pat: THE DRUG

COMPANIES HAVE SOLD

STATINS LIKE A KID EATING

CANDY.

WHAT DOES STATINS DO?

NUMBER ONE, THEY TAKE AWAY

CCO Q-10, AND WHICH YOUR

HEART NEEDS.

THE NEXT THING IS, ALMOST

INVARIABLY, THEY CAUSE

TERRIFIC MUSCLE PAIN AND

ACHES AND PAINS.

YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE OLD

AND YOU'VE GOT ARTHRITIS.

THEY'RE NOT GOOD THINGS

FOR YOU.

THERE ARE MANY WAYS --

THIS OBSESSION WITH

LOWERING CHOLESTEROL,

WE'RE NOT SURE WE NEED TO.

OUR BRAIN WORKS OFF FAT

AND CHOLESTEROL.

IT'S GOOD FOR US.

THERE HAS BEEN THIS

OBSESSION WITH

CHOLESTEROL.

MY WIFE TAKES SOMETHING

CALLED RED YEAST RICE.

AND SHE DOESN'T TAKE THE

STATINS.

STATINS MAKE YOU SUFFER

AND HURT.

I THINK IT IS AN

ABOMINATION THAT THEY PUSH

THESE THINGS ON PATIENTS

BY THE MILLIONS.

SURE, IF YOU'RE A

CARDIOLOGIST AND YOU

BELIEVE SOMEBODY'S

CHOLESTEROL SHOULD BE

LOWERED, THAT'S A WORTHY

THING.

BUT THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF

DOING IT.

FOR EXAMPLE, DARK

CHOCOLATE LOWERS

CHOLESTEROL.

THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO

GET YOUR CHOLESTEROL UNDER

CONTROL WITHOUT TAKING

STATINS.

THERE ARE NATURAL WAYS OF

DOING IT.

I'M ANTI-STATIN, LADIES

AND GENTLEMEN, EVEN THOUGH

THE DRUG COMPANIES

PROBABLY WON'T LIKE IT.

Wendy: THANK YOU SO

MUCH.

GREAT ANSWERS AND GREAT

QUESTIONS.

Pat: WELL, EVERY DAY

VICKI VILANOVA RACES HOME

TO WATCH THIS PROGRAM.

SHE HAS A GOOD REASON,

BECAUSE WATCHING "THE 700

CLUB" GAVE HER HOPE DURING

SOME OF THE HARDEST TIMES

IN HER LIFE.

Reporter: VICKI HAS

BEEN THROUGH A LOT IN

LIFE, A TOUGH CHILDHOOD,

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND TWO

DIVORCES.

AND I WAS BUYING

GROCERIES ON A CREDIT

CARD, AND I WAS JUGGLING

MONEY AROUND TRYING TO

MAKE ENDS MEET.

Reporter: AT ONE

POINT, VICKI WAS NEARLY

$80,000 IN DEBT.

I WASN'T ABLE TO MANAGE

IT.

AND THERE WAS A LEAN ON

THE HOUSE.

THEY CAME AFTER MY HOUSE.

THEY WERE DEMANDING

PAYMENT.

I DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY.

SO I WAS FORCED INTO

BANKRUPTCY, FORECLOSURE,

AND LOST THE HOUSE.

Reporter: VICKI

MANAGED TO FIND SOME PEACE

WATCHING CHRISTIAN

TELEVISION.

SHE ESPECIALLY ENJOYED THE

STORIES OF PEOPLE WHO

FOUND A WAY OUT OF

FINANCIAL MISERY.

AND SHE ALSO STARTED

READING THE BIBLE.

THE WORD OF MALACHI

SAYS, TEST ME IN THIS.

I SAID, OKAY, GOD, I'M

GOING TO TEST YOU.

Reporter: VICKI

STARTED TITHING IN SPITE

OF HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS.

AT THE TIME, SHE NEEDED A

CAR.

HERS WAS IN BAD SHAPE.

SHE THOUGHT SHE NEEDED

EVERY PENNY.

AND I THOUGHT, GOD,

THERE IS NO WAY IF I

TITHE.

THERE IS NO WAY BECAUSE I

NEED A CAR.

IF I WERE TO TITHE, THAT

WOULD BE MY CAR PAYMENT.

Reporter: IT WAS

DIFFICULT AT FIRST, BUT

VICKI GAVE EVERY PAYCHECK.

THEN SHE NOTICED SOMETHING

SHE DIDN'T EXPECT.

I STILL HAD MONEY TO

SPARE.

THIS IS TOTALLY GOD.

I CAN'T WRAP MY MIND

AROUND, HOW IS THIS

POSSIBLE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I FEEL THE

LORD PRESSED UPON ME,

BECAUSE YOU WERE OBEDIENT

OBEDIENT -- IT WASN'T MY

TESTING GOD; IT WAS MY

BEING OBEDIENT TO THE

TITHING AND RELEASING WHAT

GOD BIBLICALLY SAYS TO DO

IN HIS WORD.

Reporter: WHILE SHE

WAS TITHING, SHE WAS ABLE

TO REPLACE HER OLD CAR.

AND THEN AFTER YEARS OF NO

ADVANCEMENT AD WORK AT WORK, SHE

GOT THREE RAISES.

TODAY SHE OWNS HER HOME,

SHE LOVES HER JOB, AND SHE

IS ENJOYING LIFE.

AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO

WORRY ABOUT MONEY.

ALL BECAUSE SHE TRUSTED

GOD WITH HER FINANCES.

I CAN'T WRAP MY MIND

AROUND IT.

I'M NOT IN NEED.

IT IS GOD.

Pat: A MIRACLE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE

LORD DOES, JUST QUIETLY,

THE FAVOR OF GOD, THE

BLESSING OF GOD, THE

GOODNESS OF GOD COMES UPON

YOU.

VICKI HAD THAT.

GOD BLESS HER.

BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE OF

YOU WHO WANT TO DO

SOMETHING SPECIAL AND TAKE

PART IN WHAT WE'RE DOING

TO HELP THE PEOPLE AROUND

THE WORLD, WE WANT YOU TO

CONSIDER JOINING "THE 700

CLUB" OR "THE 700 CLUB"

GOLD OR MAYBE OUR THOUSAND

CLUB LEVEL.

WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THIS,

"THE SECRET KINGDOM"

D.V.D.

I WENT INTO SOME DETAIL

EXPLAINING HOW THESE

PRINCIPLES WORK, AND HOW

THE BLESSING OF GOD WORKS

IN YOUR LIFE.

I WANT YOU TO PICK UP THE

PHONE AND JOIN.

IT IS $20 A MONTH.

THAT'S 65 CENTS A DAY.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT.

PLEASE CALL.

Wendy: A LOT OF

PEOPLE ARE LOVING IT.

DOLORES FROM NORTH

CAROLINA WROTE US, AND SHE

SAID, "THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR "THE SECRET KINGDOM"

AND "THE LAW OF

EXPECTATION."

IT GIVES US SO MUCH

INSIGHT ABOUT THE WAY

GOD'S KINGDOM REALLY IS.

AND IT CAN CHANGE A

PERSON'S LIFE."

THANK YOU, DOLORES FOR

LETTING US KNOW IT HELPED

YOU.

> UP NEXT, WE'LL MEET A

MAN WHO SPENT DECADES IN

PAIN.

I WOULD RAISE MY ARM

UP, AND I WOULD HAVE TO

GET OUT OF THE SHOWER IN

INTENSE PAIN, AND LAY ON

THE BED AND FORCE MY ARM

BACK IN PLACE.

Wendy: STAY TUNED TO

SEE HOW HE WAS HEALED IN

AN INSTANT, RIGHT AFTER

THIS.

Pat: WELL, ANNIE

ANDERSON LOVES TO PLAY

TUG-OF-WAR WITH HIS DOG.

BUT NOT LONG AGO, THAT

WOULD HAVE BEEN

IMPOSSIBLE, FOR SOMETHING

AS SIMPLE AS TAKING A

SHOWER COULD LEAVE ANDY

WRACKED WITH PAIN.

UNTIL ONE PRAYER FREED HIM

FROM TWO DECADES OF

MISERY.

I'VE BROKEN SEVERAL

BONES BEFORE, AND ALL I

CAN TELL YOU IS IT HURT

WAY WORSE THAN ANY BROKEN

BONE I HAD EVER

EXPERIENCED.

Reporter: ANDREI ANDRE ANDY

INJURED HIS SHOULDER WHEN

HE WAS A TEENAGER, PLAYING

BASKETBALL.

I COULD BE TAKING A

SHOWER, TRYING TO EXERCISE

PROPER HIJACKE HYGIENE BY WASHING

UNDER YOUR ARMS, AND JUST

RAISING IT UP, IT HAS COME

OUT OF SOCKET DOING THAT.

AND I WOULD HAVE TO GET

OUT OF THE SHOWER IN

INTENSE PAIN AND LAY DOWN

ON THE BED AND FORCE MY

ARM BACK INTO PLACE.

Reporter: ANDY HAD

LIVED WITH THE PAIN FOR 15

YEARS.

WHEN HE FELL A SECOND

TIME, HE BROKE A SCAPULA

AND DISLOCATED HIS

SHOULDER AGAIN.

WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE

TREMENDOUS PAIN LIKE THAT,

YOU KIND OF GO INTO PANIC.

IT WAS VERY DISCOURAGING

AND VERY DISHEARTENING.

AND OVER A PERIOD OF

YEARS, I KIND OF LEARNED

TO MOVE IN CERTAIN WAYS.

Reporter: THE PAIN

CONTINUED FOR SEVERAL MORE

YEARS.

THEN ONE MORNING, ANDY

TURNED ON "THE 700 CLUB."

Gordon: IN AN ACT OF

FAITH, TOUCH THAT AREA OF

THE BODY THAT NEEDS

HEALING.

I PLACED MY HAND ON MY

RIGHT SHOULDER, WHERE THE

INJURY IS AT, AND I CLOSED

MY EYES.

Gordon: SOMEONE, YOU

HAVE A LONG-TIME INJURY IN

YOUR SHOULDER, YOU HAD A

BROKEN SCAPULA, AND THERE

WAS LIGAMENT DAMAGE, AND

GOD IS HEALING ALL OF THAT

FOR YOU.

YOU'RE ABLE TO FREELY MOVE

IT.

WHAT YOU COULDN'T DO

BEFORE, DO IT NOW IN

JESUS' NAME.

START MOVING THAT RIGHT

ARM.

WHEN HE SAID THAT, I

JUST HIT MY KNEES AND I

KNEW THAT THIS HEALING WAS

SPECIFICALLY FOR ME.

AND I FELT THIS TINGLING

IN MY RIGHT SHOULDER AT

THIS POINT.

IT WAS A SENSATION THAT

I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED

BEFORE.

GOD LITERALLY REACHED DOWN

AND TOUCHED MY SHOULDER

AND HE HEALED IT, JUST

LIKE TURNING ON A LIGHT

SWITCH.

AN INJURY THAT I'VE

CARRIED FOR OVER TWO

DECADES WAS JUST GONE.

Reporter: ANDY HAS

BEEN PAIN-FREE EVER SINCE,

AND ENJOYS THINGS HE

COULDN'T DO FOR YEARS.

HE IS GRATEFUL FOR GOD'S

LOVE AND FOR FAITHFUL

PRAYER.

I'M SO FILLED WITH

GRATITUDE TO THE LORD, AND

FOR HEALING ME.

AND I'M SO FILLED WITH

GRATITUDE TO GORDON AND

"THE 700 CLUB."

IT HAS INCREASED MY FAITH

IN THE LORD.

SINCE HE REACHED DOWN AND

HEALED ME ON A VERY

PERSONAL LEVEL, IT HAS

SKYROCKETED MY LOVE FOR

GOD.

THE LORD IS THE ULTIMATE

HEALER.

Wendy: HERE IS A

REPORT FROM SHARON FROM

MICHIGAN.

SHE WAS GROCERY SHOPPING

WHEN SHE HIT HER HEAD ON A

SHELF.

SHE WAS RUSHED TO THE

HOSPITAL WHERE SHE WAS

GIVEN AN M.R.I.

DOCTORS SAID SHE HAD

BLEEDING UNDER HER SCALP

AND A CONCUSSION AND SHE

RELEASED HER TO GO HOME.

AT HOME, HER HUSBAND WAS

WATCHING "THE 700 CLUB,"

WHEN PAT, YOU HAD A WORD

OF KNOWLEDGE SAYING,

"SOMEONE HIT THE TOP OF

THEIR HEAD AND HAS A

CONCUSSION."

SHARON SAID, THIS IS FOR

ME.

AND IN THE MORNING, THE

CONCUSSION WAS COMPLETELY

GONE.

Pat: FATHER, I JOIN

HANDS WITH MY SISTER IN

CHRIST.

AND WE JOIN TOGETHER FOR

THE PEOPLE IN THIS

AUDIENCE, WHEREVER THEY

ARE IN THIS WORLD, WHETHER

THEY'RE HURTING OR

SUFFERING -- SOMEBODY HAS

PROJECTILE VOMITING.

YOU'RE CRYING OUT TO GOD,

PLEASE HELP ME.

AND YOU ARE COMPLETELY

HEALED IN JESUS' NAME.

WENDY.

Wendy: I WANT TO

THANK YOU YOU THAT YOUR

WORD SAYS YOU SEND YOUR

WORD AND YOU HEAL THEM.

SOMEONE RIGHT NOW SAID YOU

DESPERATELY WANT THAT

HEALING.

YOU'RE HOLDING YOUR HAND

UP TO YOUR HEAD.

AND SOMEONE, YOU'VE GOT

YOUR HAND ON YOUR RIGHT

SIDE, THERE IS SOMETHING

IN YOUR STOMACH AREA.

THE LORD IS TOUCHING THAT

RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE BEING

HEALED IN THE NAME OF

JESUS.

RECEIVE IT RIGHT NOW.

Pat: THERE IS A WOMAN

WHO HAS A URINARY TRACT

INFECTION.

YOU'VE HAD IT FOR ABOUT

EIGHT YEARS.

RIGHT NOW THAT YEAST AND

WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS

CAUSING THAT INFECTION IS

BEING TAKEN OUT.

YOU'LL FEEL HEAT IN THAT

PART OF YOUR BODY.

RIGHT IN THE NAME OF

JESUS, YOU'RE HEALED.

Wendy: YEAH, I'M

GETTING THAT, TOO.

OTHER WOMEN, YOU'VE GOT

YOUR HAND ON YOUR LOWER

STOMACH, AND YOU'VE BEEN

HAVING ISSUES RELATED TO

YOUR MENSTRUAL CYCLE.

GOD IS HEALING AND TAKING

AWAY THAT PAIN.

IN JESUS' NAME.

Pat: FATHER, FOR

OTHERS CRYING OUT TO YOU,

LET THE PEACE OF GOD

DESCEND ON THEM.

AMEN.

AND AMEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

BEING WITH US.

REMEMBER, OUR TELEPHONES

ARE AROUND ALL DAY LONG.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE

SOMEBODY PRAY WITH YOU, IF

YOU WANT TO CALL, AND IF

YOU'VE BEEN TOUCHED BY

GOD, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THE

TESTIMONY.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE

WORDS: "BE STILL AND KNOW

I THAT I AM GOD.

I WILL BE EXALTED AMONG

THE NATIONS.

I WILL BE EXALTED ON THE

EARTH."

> ON TOMORROW'S SHOW,

WATCH AS ONE MAN SURVIVES

THE SILENT KILLER.

THAT'S THURSDAY ON "THE

700 CLUB."

WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

BYE-BYE.