Pastor and author Shawn Thornton shares about his childhood, and how it was anything but normal.
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Well you've heard the
story, Dr. Jekyll, Mr Hyde.
Now imagine living it.
That's what life was like
for Shawn Thornton, whose
mother was kind and
loving one minute,
and a violent monster the next.
Take a look.
SHAWN THORNTON: Growing up, my
life was anything but normal.
But then, so was my mom.
After waking up from a
coma following a car crash,
her gentle and sweet
disposition had
been replaced by
violent mood swings,
profanity laced tirades, and
uncontrollable fits of rage.
A moment of frustration might
make her hurl a knife at me,
my little brother Troy, or
my dad, or just cuss us out,
only to shower us with
love and affection
in the next moment like
nothing had happened.
Yet, this same woman was also
a Bible reader, Sunday school
teacher, and a friend
to the elderly, poor,
and marginalized
wherever she went.
How the same person could
be a saint one minute
and a nightmare the next
was a constant source
of frustration for our family.
Then, one day, after decades
of embarrassing outbursts,
a surprise discovery
finally helped
us come to grips with my
mom's mysterious condition,
and brought me to a startling
realization that changed
the course of my life forever.
Well Pastor Shawn
Thornton is here with us
now for the rest of the story.
And Pastor Shawn, it's
so good to see you.
Good to see you Wendy.
Great to see you.
You know, I used
to visit your church
in Charleston, West Virginia.
You were a pastor there for,
how many years, 12 years?
About 12 years.
12 Years.
And then I moved
to Virginia Beach.
And then you went out to LA
and started a big megachurch
out there.
Yep, I moved into a church that
was already a sizable church
and get to pastoring
the greater LA area.
Yeah, but you don't
start a megachurch.
Yeah, no.
And there had been
some great leadership
before me and a
wonderful church.
And God brought us
there after a season
of brokenness for the church.
And things are going great now.
Well, your memoir is amazing.
Shawn, you say in your book that
you lived in fear of your mom
for most of your life.
But at the same time you
call her a spiritual hero.
How do you reconcile those two?
Well, it's hard to reconcile
when you're just trying
to explain it to someone.
But when you live it-- my
mom had been in an accident
when she was 14, as you saw, had
physical, emotional, and mental
problems because of that.
So she could be calm,
reading her Bible, praying.
She had a prayer list.
She could be just sweet
and things going fine.
And all of a sudden something
small would set her off
and she's cussing,
she's throwing things.
My dad would yell to us at
the dinner table, "Kids,
under the table."
I have one brother.
"You guys, under the table,"
and we'd go under the table.
And then we'd try to disarm her.
And then she'd calm
down again and--
WENDY GRIFFITH: And not even
know that she had been there.
SHAWN THORNTON: Barely know it.
She would know
it, but she'd say,
this is because of the accident.
And she'd get frustrated.
She was tormented in herself.
So just as much as maybe we
felt the torment from her,
she was tormented on the inside.
So at first, I mean
you're a little kid.
You're not thinking-- you're
thinking everybody lives
like this, right?
Yes, that this is normal.
And then around 10 or 11 you
visit your friend's house.
And you think wow, it's
different over here,
not as much volatility
or not any volatility.
And the house was
very neat and clean.
Your house not so
neat and clean--
No, it was a mess.
-- --because your mother--
it was kind of a mess
because your mom
wasn't able to clean.
How did that affect you when
you realized, this ain't normal?
Yeah, when I'm a little
kid, this is normal.
I get to be 9 or 10,
I start realizing
other people's
homes are different
and that that's more normal.
So I'm giving excuses to friends
that are coming to our house.
And in my early
teens, I'm begging
God to put me in any
other home, because I
don't want to be in this home.
And it was one of
those nights when
my mom was having a breakdown,
just tearing the house apart.
It was all this.
Police come, take her
to a mental institution.
That night I remember just
saying to God, "Why not put me
in some other home?
If you know who I am--" and we
went to church Sunday morning,
Sunday night, Wednesday night.
She was a Sunday school
teacher, sang in the choir.
So I'm saying, "Put me
in some other home."
But then later in my teen
years and college years
I start realizing,
wait a minute,
everybody's got some brokenness.
It may not be as
extreme as mine.
It may not be the same.
But everybody's got brokenness.
And Shawn, you talk
about a surprise discovery
that really changed your life.
What was that?
Well in 1962 when Mom
had the accident, at 14,
and was in a coma
for three months,
and coming out of that,
recovering from that,
she did not know,
and the doctors
didn't know, about a thing
called traumatic brain injury.
And so for a couple
of decades, they're
trying to treat her for
this and that and pastors
and psychologists and doctors.
And finally my dad starts
collecting articles out
of the local newspaper in
Northern Indiana, the South
Bend Tribune, he starts
collecting articles
about this thing called
traumatic brain injury.
Now we hear about
it all the time
with the NFL and
concussions, people
returning from Iraq
and Afghanistan
with injuries to the brain.
WENDY GRIFFITH: And
that's what she had.
So we figured out she had
traumatic brain injury.
Her personality had
changed, all this chaos.
And in the midst
of her brokenness,
she still loved Jesus
and still became
my greatest spiritual hero.
Well you said that sometimes
the broken people in our lives
are the ones that
need fixing the least.
How can that be?
Well in her case,
we pray for God
to heal someone who has this
kind of brokenness and mental
illness and difficulty.
But in her case,
I watched my mom
be drawn to the child in the
wheelchair, the woman in church
who was a little odd
and her wig was off
and her makeup was all smeared.
And Mom would talk to that lady
or to the child in a wheelchair
just as much, and
with the same dignity
as she talked to the pastor.
And so I learned that God
loves marginalized people
through my mom.
And so I think in
her brokenness,
God used her to teach
a lot of people,
including me, how to care
for the marginalized,
the hurting, the overlooked.
That's so, so good.
Now your mom did
pass away in 2000.
In the shower, she hit her head.
She hit her head.
As a result of
the car accident,
she always had balance
issues and would fall.
And her fine motor skills
wouldn't let her reach out
and kind of grab herself.
If you or I fall,
we'd brace ourselves.
WENDY GRIFFITH: She must have
been very young, she must have.
She was 52.
SHAWN THORNTON: 52.
She slipped and hit her head
and drowned in the bathtub.
And what are some of the
things that people told you
about your mom Shawn,
after she was gone?
People told me even, since
the book has been out,
people have said,
we didn't know this,
because we didn't
tell these stories.
I didn't tell any of these
stories from the pulpit
until the last year or so.
And people have
come to me and say,
"You know your mom encouraged
me to be a missionary.
When people didn't notice
me, your mom noticed me.
When there was a Bible study
and all the women were talking
and I was new, your mom walked
over and she talked to us.
And your mom was
such an encourager.
Her laugh was so great."
And a lot of times
outside the home,
she didn't show
all of the emotions
and all of the outbursts.
And so people talk about how
she genuinely loved them,
would stop and pray with them.
And those are the things--
because she pointed me
to Jesus and others to Jesus--
those are the things that make
her my greatest spiritual hero.
You waited 20 years.
You know, I understand
this, because I got
fired from my second TV job.
And I just-- I took
it off my resume.
I didn't talk about it.
I mean, it was
like a shame thing.
And now it's like a badge
of honor, like I survived.
I overcame.
It's a part of your story.
It's part of my story.
Is that what happened
to you, because you
didn't talk about this?
Nobody knew about
your upbringing.
Everybody just though you had
the perfect Leave It to Beaver
family.
It was factory
workers, simple home.
It was 20 years.
Why now?
Well I think the main
thing I used to think
was, OK, yes, this shaped
in me a pastor's heart
and I care for people,
this experience growing up
and this chaos of this home
with a mom who loved the Lord
but had all these difficulties.
But I thought nobody
cared about the story.
And then I shared it
with Joni Eareckson Tada.
And a big part of the story
of "All But Normal," the book,
is that my mom loved Joni and
would say if Joni can do this,
if she can make it, I can
too, in her brokenness.
And so I started to
share it with Joni.
She had me share with others.
Max Lucado, the Christian
author, heard it.
He said, "You've got
to tell your story
or I'm going to write it
into one of my books."
So he encouraged me
to write the book.
But I thought, does
it really matter?
And what I'm
finding is I thought
this story didn't matter
only in that people
got the byproduct
of know I'm a pastor
with a compassionate heart,
because my mom helped
me develop that and
the Lord used her.
But now I'm seeing
telling the story,
there are people who are writing
me, stopping me, saying hey,
I didn't have the exact
same circumstances,
but I have some
brokenness in my past.
And you're embracing yours.
I'm encouraged by
your embracing yours.
I'm finding hope and
healing in my brokenness
in reading your story.
That's so good.
And Shawn, when you
got out to California
and your new church--
what's your church's name?
Calvary Community Church,
Westlake Village, California.
I love Westlake Village.
So you get out there and
there's a note on your desk.
What did it say?
So I go to the empty office.
I'm moving into the church, a
big move for me from the East
Coast to the West Coast,
from the Bible Belt
to the not so Bible Belt. And
there's a note on my desk.
Only thing in this
empty room is a note
from Joni Eareckson
Tada and her husband Ken
that said, "Welcome.
We've been praying for the
new pastor at Calvary--"
because they're only one exit up
is their ministry headquarters.
She said, "We've been
praying for the new pastor."
And she had no idea what
that meant to me because
of how much she meant to my
mom and my mom's brokenness
that Joni was an
inspiration to her.
And did she know it
was going to be you?
She didn't.
She didn't know the link.
She didn't know all
the connections.
And my mom was already
gone at that time.
So I haven't even been able
to share that with my mom.
And I will one day.
And I hope in some
way she knows that now
in heaven that Joni
and I crossed paths
and now I serve on the board
of the Joni and Friends
Foundation.
So what a blessing.
Well you know, there's a lot
of people back in Charleston--
I was just there
over the weekend.
My niece got christened--
who miss you.
And I drove by your old
church Bible center.
So this is your chance to say--
I love the people
of West Virginia.
I love the folks of
Bible Center Church.
And we mourned leaving there.
Sometimes you mourn when God
is calling you to a new place.
And those folks have a
special place in my heart,
very much so.
It was actually
a friend of mine
from West Virginia
that said "Hey, you
need to have him on your show."
Oh, because they'd
seen the book.
They saw the book, right.
That's great.
That's great.
But actually it
was our producers
that made the final decision.
I don't have that kind of power.
I don't, I know.
I'm glad for the
opportunity because I'm
hearing from so
many people how it's
helpful with the brokenness,
the mental illness,
the traumatic brain
injury a loved one had,
something about their childhood.
And God's using it to
bring hope and healing
to people I've never met,
and I'm humbled by that.
Absolutely.
Well it's a fantastic
memoir, fantastic
book with a great message.
And Pastor Shawn, God bless you.
Thank you Wendy.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for being here.
The book, again called "All But
Normal-- Life on Victory Road"
is available in
stores nationwide.
You definitely want
to get a copy of this.