THE PAST AND THE

PRESENT MERGE TO MEET US

HERE.

Gordon: WHAT'S REALLY

BEHIND BEYONCE'S NEW

ALBUM.

WHAT AM I DOING?

Gordon: IS IT

EMPOWERING TO WOMEN?

WHAT YOU HIDING?

WHY CAN'T YOU SEE ME?

Gordon: OR DEMEANING?

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND

MORE ON TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME

TO THE SHOW.

IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE IS

TALKING ABOUT BEYONCE AND

HER NEW ALBUM CALLED

"LEMONADE" THAT AIRED ON

HBO.

BUT WHAT IS ALL OF THE

BUZZ ABOUT?

Terry: SOME SAY IT IS

A WORK OF ORT, AN ART, AND OTHERS

SAY IT IS A POLITICAL

MESSAGE.

SHE DROPPED THE ALBUM, IN

REFERENCE TO "BLACK LIVES

MATTER," AND WHAT DO YOU

THINK THIS IS ALL ABOUT?

Gordon: I THINK SHE

IS TRYING TO MAKE SOME

DEFINITE POLITICAL

STATEMENTS.

AND YOU REALLY HAVEN'T

SEEN AN ARTIST LIKE THIS

SINCE NINA SIMONE, WHERE

SHE IS COMING OUT AND OF

VERTLOVERTLY MAKING POLITICAL

COMMENTARY.

IT SEEMS LIKE SHE HAS A

SAFE CAREER --

Terry: WELL, YEAH.

Gordon: -- AND SHE

HAS ABSOLUTELY MADE IT,

AND SHE IS TAKING THE

OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, I'VE

GOT SOMETHING TO SAY.

Terry: I THINK THERE

IS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM

BEHIND WITH ALL OF THIS.

I REALLY DO.

IF YOU HAVE THIS MUCH TO

SAY, I DON'T THINK YOU

HAVE A SAFE CAREER FOR

THAT LONG WITHOUT SAYING

ANYTHING, AND THAT BOOM.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT

EVEN DROPPING "FORMATION?"

"BLACK LIVES MATTER" --

Gordon: I THINK IT

WILL BE AN ISSUE FOR YEARS

TO COME.

Terry: IF YOU'RE

MAKING STATEMENTS, WHY

DROP IT?

Gordon: I SEE HER

TRYING TO VERY DEFINITELY

SHAPE HER CAREER NOW TO

SAY, I AM GOING TO BE A

SHOASPOKESPERSON.

I'M GOING TO TAKE THE

PLATFORM I HAVE.

I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY,

AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT

OUT LOUD.

Terry: IS THAT A

LITTLE DANGEROUS?

WHEN YOU'VE BEEN BROADLY

POPULAR WITH EVERYONE, IS

IT A LITTLE DANGEROUS TO

COME OUT WITH VERY STRONG

OPINIONS POLITICALLY ON

THINGS?

Gordon: YOU SOUND

LIKE HER MANAGER?

Terry: NO, THAT WOULD

NOT BE ME.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: IT'S HER

LIFE.

IT'S HER CAREER.

IF SHE WANTS TO DO THIS, I

WOULD JUST CAUTION, YOU

KNOW, ARE YOU SURE YOU

WANT TO BE POLARIZING?

Terry: THAT'S MY

POINT.

Gordon: AND ARE YOU

COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOUR

SAYING?

Terry: YEAH.

WELL, THIS IS THE WOMAN

WHO GAVE US AN HOMAGE TO

THE BLACK PANTHERS AT THE

SUPER BOWL.

JUST A LOT OF THINGS,

LATELY, THAT HAVE BEEN

DOING JUST WHAT YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT, MAKING A

STRONG POLITICAL

STATEMENT.

Gordon: AND SHE HAS

GONE MORE THAN THAT.

IN "LEMONADE" THERE IS A

CLIP OF MALCOLM "X," AND

BEYONCE IS HEARD SAYING,

THE MOST DISRESPECTED

PERSON IN AMERICA IS THE

BLACK WOMAN.

AND IN THIS, IN THIS

"LEMONADE," WE'VE GOT A

CLIP FOR YOU.

IT SHOWS TWO GRIEVING

MOTHERS APPEARING ON

CAMERA.

THE FIRST IS LESLIE

McSPADDIN, AS SHE HOLDS

A PHOTO OF HER LATE SON,

MICHAEL BROWN, WHO WAS

SHOT DEAD BY A POLICE

OFFICER IN FERGUSON IN

2013.

THAT INCIDENT SPARKED HUGE

PROTEST.

AND THE SECOND, SA SABRINA,

HER SON, TRA TRAVEON WAS

KILLED.

I INTERPRET THESE AS

ARTISTIC STATEMENTS.

WHEN THE PROTESTS ARE

OVER, AND THE POLITICIANS

HAVE HAD THEIR SPEECHES,

AND YOU'VE CREATED THE

HASHTAG, AND AT THE END OF

THE DAY, YOU STILL JUST

HAVE A MOTHER HOLDING A

PICTURE OF HER LOST BABY

BOY.

Terry: THAT IS VERY

POIGNANT.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT

IT.

WITH SUCH A HOT SUBJECT

MATTER AND PEOPLE TAKING

SIDES, YOU WOULD LOVE TO

JUST TALK WITH HER.

OTHER THAN IN A SONG --

Gordon: GOOD LUCK

WITH THAT.

Terry: I WAS THINKING

YOU MIGHT DO THAT,

ACTUALLY.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: CALL ME.

Terry: WELL, IN HER

SONG "HOLD UP," THE THE

SINGER THEN STROLLS

THROUGH THE STREETS WITH A

REGGAE BEAT SINGING "WORTS

"WHAT'S WORSE, BEING

JEALOUS OR CRAZY?"

Gordon: SHE IS USING

A BASEBALL BAT ON A CAR

WINDOW.

Terry: WELL, HELL

HATH NOW FURRY THAN A

WOMAN SCORNED.

Terry: THAT IS NOT SO

MUCH A POLITICAL STATEMENT

AS MUCH HER OWN ANGST

ABOUT A SITUATION EVERYONE

IS FAM HEI FAMILIAR WITH, AND I

GUESS SHE NEVER REALLY HAD

AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT

SHE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

THE PASSION WITH WHICH HE

TOOK OUT THAT WINDOW --

Gordon: YOU'RE

FEELING THAT.

Terry: THE INNER

TURMOIL, YES.

Gordon: HAVE YOU EVER

BEEN THAT MAD YOU WOULD

TAKE A BASEBALL BAT TO

SOMEBODY?

Terry: NO, I DON'T

THINK SO.

I'VE BEEN HURT, BUT I'VE

NEVER BEEN THAT MAD.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE

REPUTATION SHE HAS, AND

YOU'RE KNOWN FOR YOUR

BEAUTY AND YOUR KNOWN FOR

YOUR TALENT, AND SOMEBODY

DOES SOMETHING SO PUBLIC,

IT PROBABLY RAISES THE

LEVEL OF IRE THAT PROBABLY

THE REST OF US WOULDN'T

HAVE.

Gordon: WHAT ABOUT

THE COMMENTARY THAT SHE IS

EMPOWERING WOMEN?

Terry: YES.

Gordon: WHAT DO YOU

THINK ABOUT THAT?

Terry: THE PRESIDENT

STATED, QUOTE," BEYONCE

COULD NOT BE A BETTER ROLE

MODEL FOR MY GIRLS."

I REALIZE THE PRESIDENT

AND I ARE ON OPPOSITE

SIDES OF THE POLITICAL

SPECTRUM, BUT BEYONCE

WOULD NOT BE A ROLE MODEL

TO ME.

SHE IS CERTAINLY AN

AMAZING ENTERTAINER, AND

SHE IS A SMART BUSINESS

WOMAN, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT

MY DAUGHTERS TO BE LIKE

THAT.

AND AS A WOMAN, SHE SURELY

DOESN'T REPRESENT WHO I

AM.

I FEEL LIKE IT IS VERY

HOLLYWOOD.

Gordon: I WAS TALKING

TO SOMEBODY THIS MORNING,

AND THEY SAID THEY

WOULDN'T LET HER DAUGHTER

WATCH HER HALF-TIME SHOW

FOR THE SUPER BOWL.

THEY DIDN'T WANT THE

DAUGHTER IMITATING THAT OR

THINKING THAT THE CLOTHES

WERE COOL OR THE DANCE WAS

COOL OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT

WAS COOL.

SO FROM A ROLE MODEL

STANDPOINT, YOU QUESTION

WHAT VALUES ARE YOU

SENDING.

AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK

THAT IF BLACK WOMEN ARE

THE MOST DISRESPECTED

PEOPLE IN OUR CULTURE, THE

MERE FACT THAT WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT WHAT A BLACK

WOMAN IS SAYING, I THINK

IS EMPOWERING.

WHERE I DRAW THE LINE IS,

ARE YOU GET ARE YOUR ART

AND YOUR POWER FROM OVERT

SEXUALITY?

AND THAT IS AS OLD AS CLEE

CLEOPATRA.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS

GOOD, LONG-TERM, FOR WOMEN

TO VIEW THAT THEIR POWER

SOURCE IS THEIR SEXUALITY.

Terry: I'M TOTALLY IN

AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

IT IS FRUSTRATING TO ME

SOMETIMES WHEN I SEE

PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NO WAY

CONNECTED TO THE PAIN OR

THE DISEMPOWERMENT OF THE

PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE

TALKING ABOUT, AND WITH

SUCH VEHEMENCE TAKE THAT

KIND OF STATEMENT.

THERE ARE SO MANY POSITIVE

THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO

THAT WOULD MAKE A

DIFFERENCE --

Gordon: WOULD THEY

GET THE SAME COMMENTARY?

WOULD THEY GET THE SAME

DISCUSSION?

Terry: IN THE END,

WHERE DOES THE DISCUSSION

GO?

IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING

POSITIVE, IN THE END

YOU'RE PROMOTING CHANGE.

IT IS TOO SOON TO TELL,

BUT MY GUESS WOULD BE THIS

IS ANOTHER PUBLIC

STATEMENT ABOUT A SOCIAL

PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T GET

ANYWHERE.

AND SOMEONE LIKE BEYONCE

HAS INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL

AND POSSIBILITY TO TRULY

DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD

MAKE A DIFFERENCE, I MEAN

REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE,

A LASTING DIFFERENCE, AND

CHANGE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE'S

LIVES, NOT JUST A SHAKE

YOUR FIST IN THE AIR KIND

OF THING, BUT REALLY

CHANGE SOMEBODY'S LIFE.

Gordon: YOU GO, GIRL.

Terry: THANK YOU.

Gordon: THERE IS

ANOTHER ARTIST THAT IS

GETTING SOME BUZZ AND HIS

NAME IS LE CRAE.

HE WON BEST CONTEMPORARY

MUSIC PERFORMER IN 2015.

AND HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN

BELIEVER.

AND HERE IS A CLIP FROM AN

INTERVIEW.

WHEN I HEAR "WELL

DONE," AND HE TURNS TO ME,

OR WILL I HEAR "YOU CARE

TOO MUCH ABOUT ALL OF THIS

STUFF, AND IT REALLY DON'T

MATTER."

Terry: WOW?

Gordon: IT IS AN

EXCERPT FROM A POST HE

POSTED ON Facebook ABOUT

THE COMING.

THERE ARE TWO BIG PROBLEMS

WITH BEING ON A SPIRITUAL

HIGH: FIRST, IT CAN OFTEN

LEAD TO LEGALISM.

YOU WANT TO PROVE TO GOD

AND TO YOUR FRIENDS AND

EVEN YOURSELF HOW HOLY

YOU'VE BECOME.

SO YOU MAKE EXTREME

MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR

BEHAVIOR.

YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE

DOUBTS IN ANYONE'S MIND

THAT YOU'RE REALLY A

CHANGED PERSON, THAT

YOU'RE REALLY ON FIRE,

THAT YOU'RE REALLY SOLD

OUT.

SO RATHER THAN REST IN

GOD'S GRACE, YOU BUSY

YOURSELF TRYING TO PROVE

YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

AND THAT IS A PROFOUND

STATEMENT AND ONE THAT THE

APOSTLE PAUL WRESTLED WITH

IN ROMANS.

YOU KNOW, WHO CAN FREE ME

FROM THIS BODY OF SIN AND

DEATH.

WHAT I WANT TO DO, I END

UP NOT DOING.

AND HOW DO I GET TO A

POINT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS?

IT HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE AND

CHRISTIANITY FOR 2,000

YEARS.

Terry: VERY THOUGHT

PROVOKING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE

THAT I HAVE READ HE SAID,

"MY MUSIC ISN'T CHRISTIAN;

I'M CHRISTIAN, AND MY

MUSIC REFLECTS WHO I AM."

Gordon: WHICH IS

WONDERFUL.

Terry: IT OUGHT TO

BE.

THAT SHOULD BE A

NO-BRAINER, RIGHT?

BUT NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

YOU TEND TO THINK ABOUT

THE THINGS HE SAYS, AND

NOT ABOUT THEM WITH REGARD

TO HIM, BUT WHY WITH WITH WITH

REGARD FROM ME.

Gordon: I TOOK THIS

FROM A WORSHIP LEADER I

MET IN MANILA YEARS AGO.

AND HE SAID, I CAN HEAR IT

WHEN MY LIFE IS NOT RIGHT.

HE IS THERE SINGING, AND

HE SAYS I CAN HEAR THAT

I'M NOT PLAYING THE RIGHT

TONE BECAUSE MY BODY IS

NOT AN INSTRUMENT OF

RIGHTEOUSNESS.

AND TO REALLY DO THAT, TO

REALLY ENTER INTO THE

PRESENCE OF GOD, YOU HAVE

TO BE RIGHT.

YOUR CONSCIENCE CAN'T

CONDEMN YOU.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT

RIGHT ATTITUDE.

AND SO IT IS THE WHOLE, DO

I, THROUGH WORKS, TRY TO

PROVE THAT I'M RIGHTEOUS?

OR DO I DO IT THROUGH

BELIEF?

AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD,

AND IT WAS ACCOUNTED TO

HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

IN THAT BELIEVING GOD

THROUGH LOVE CAUSES YOU TO

WANT TO OBEY, TO SAY, I

WANT TO BE IN THAT

PRESENCE.

I WANT THAT.

Terry: DON'T YOU

THINK ONE OF THE OTHER

THINGS THAT IS SO POWERFUL

ABOUT LE CRAE IS THAT HE

OWNS IT.

IT IS HIM, WHAT IS GOING

ON IN THIS HEART AND HIS

MIND AND HIS SOUL.

AND HE IS SHARING IT SO

VULNERABLY, THAT IT

POWERFULLY IMPACTS WHOEVER

IS LISTENING TO IT.

Gordon: AND I THINK

IN THAT TRANSPARENCY

PEOPLE RESPOND.

Terry: ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: DEEP CALLS TO

DEEP.

IT IS HOW AUTHENTIC YOU

ARE THAT COMES OUT OF YOU.

I LOVE THE QUOTE: "I'M A

CHRISTIAN AND I PLAY

MUSIC."

AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL

THING.

LE CRAE HAS A BOOK BEING

RELEASED TODAY AND ITS

TITLED "UNASHAMED."

Terry: UP NEXT, A

CHILD IS LEFT TO FEND FOR

HIMSELF BECAUSE HIS MOTHER

COULDN'T AFFORD DAYCARE.

FIND OUT HOW HIS LIFE IS

Terry: "ORPHANS'

PROMISE" HAS HELPED OVER

100,000 ORPHANS IN MORE

THAN 60 COUNTRIES.

EACH TRIEL CHILD HAS A PERSONAL

STORY, LIKE THIS LITTLE

BOY YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET.

HIS LIFE WAS IN DANGER

EVERY DAY UNTIL PEOPLE

LIKE YOU CAME TO HIS

RESCUE.

Reporter: EACH

MORNING ABU PRAYS WITH HIS

CLASSMATES AT THIS DAYCARE

CENTER, WHICH IS SUPPORTED

BY "ORPHAN'S PROMISE".

HE THANKS GOD FOR FRIENDS

BECAUSE A FEW MONTHS AGO

HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY

FRIENDS.

EVERY DAY, WHEN HE SAW

THE OTHER CHILDREN GOING

TO DAYCARE, HE WOULD ASK,

MOMMY, WHY CAN'T I GO?

IT BROKE MY HEART THAT WE

DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.

Reporter: HE OCCUPIED

HIS TIME PLAYING IN THE

NARROW WALKWAYS NEAR HIS

HOME.

MANY TIMES I WOULD COME

HOME TO FIND HIM PLAYING

IN DIRTY WATER FROM THE

CREEK.

Reporter: HIS FATHER

ABANDONED HIM AND HIS

MOTHER WHEN HE WAS JUST

SIX MONTHS OLD.

WHEN SHE COULDN'T FIND

WORK, SHE BEGGED

NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SOME

PORRAGE.

I FELT EMBARRASSED, AND

I KNEW THEY DIDN'T EVEN

HAVE ENOUGH FOOD FOR

THEMSELVES.

THEY GAVE ME WHAT I COULD

BECAUSE THEY KNEW MY BABY

WAS HUNGRY.

IT IS TIMES LIKE THAT I

FELT LIKE GOD DIDN'T

EXIST.

Reporter: THEN A

LOCAL CHURCH FOUND OUT

ABOUT THE FAMILY, AND

ASKED ABU TO JOIN THE

CHURCH MEALS.

TODAY HE AND 32 OTHER KIDS

ARE SPONSORED BY CBN TO

COME TO THIS CENTER FOR

FREE.

HE TELLS ME STORIES

FROM THE BIBLE AND TALKS

ABOUT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.

Reporter: SINCE SHE

HAD MORE TIME TO LOOK FOR

WORK, SHE HAS A JOB AND A

STEADY INCOME.

NOW PEOPLE COME TO HER

WHEN THEY'RE IN NEED, AND

SHE ALWAYS HELPS THEM.

NOW I KNOW THAT GOD

EXISTS.

EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED

BECAUSE OF YOU.

THANK YOU, CBN.

Terry: WELL, YOU

HELPED THAT MOM IN SUCH A

PRACTICAL WAY, BUT DID YOU

SEE WHAT IT DID TO HER AND

HER CHILD INTERNALLY?

YOU GAVE THEM DIGNITY AND

HOPE AND VALUE AND

OPPORTUNITY, ALL IN ONE

FELL SWOOP.

AND WE WANT TO SAY THANK

YOU.

"ORPHANS' PROMISE" IS

CBN'S OUT REACREACH TO ORPHANED

AND VULNERABLE CHILDREN

AROUND THE WORLD.

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LOVE HIM."

THIS IS FILLED WITH

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WHO HAVE HAD DEATH

EXPERIENCES AND HAVE COME

BACK TO LIFE AFTER HAVING

SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF

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WE WANT YOU TO HEAR WHAT

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GORDON?

Gordon: COMING UP,

ARE THE ENEMIES' THREATS,

LIES, OR ACCUSATIONS

BRINGING YOU DOWN?

VISIONS OF PAST

MISTAKES AND REGRETS

BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH

THROUGH MY MIND.

I STARTED TO THINK I HAD

FAILED ONE TOO MANY TIMES.

Gordon: AUTHOR KYLE

WINKLER SHARES HOW YOU CAN

LIVE YOUR FAITH LOUDLY.

Gordon: DOES YOUR

PAST HAUNT YOU?

ARE YOU HELD BACK BY GUILT

OR SHAME?

KYLE WINKLER SAYS HE YOU

CAN STAND STRONG AGAINST

THE ENEMY AND HIS LIES.

I'VE GOT THIS ROPE --

Reporter: KYLE

WINKLER SPEAKS WITH

CONFIDENCE.

THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS

HIS NATURAL TALENT, KYLE

STRUGGLED WITH

LIFE-CONTROLLING FEAR AS A

YOUNG TEEN.

IT CAME WITHOUT

WARNING.

IT WAS LIKE THIS NAGGING

VOICE, PERCHED UPON MY

SHOULDER, THAT THROUGHOUT

THESE WHISPERS,

ACCUSATIONS -- LOOK WHAT

YOU'VE DONE, IT WOULD

TAUNT.

Reporter: THE ATTACKS

WERE SO INTENSE KYLE

WANTED TO SHET SHU SHUT DOWN HIS

MINISTRY.

VISIONS OF PAST

MISTAKES AND REGRETS

BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH

THROUGH MY MIND.

I STARTED TO THINK THAT I

HAD FAILED ONE TOO MANY

TIMES, THAT GOD CAN'T USE

ME.

Reporter: TODAY KYLE

SHARES HOW HE SILENCED

THOSE INSECURITIES, AND

WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIGHT

ATTACKS FROM THE ENEMY.

Gordon: WELL, JOINING

US NOW IS KYLE WINKLER,

AND, KYLE, THANKS FOR

BEING HERE.

THANKS SO MUCH.

IT IS GREAT TO BE HERE.

Gordon: YOU'RE

WRITING LIKE THE DESERT

FATHERS OF THE THIRD AND

FOURTH CENTURY.

IT IS ALL THIS INTERNAL

BATTLE WITH AN ENEMY OF

YOUR SOUL.

YOU WENT THROUGH A REAL

CRISIS HERE.

TALK ABOUT THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

IT ALL STARTED FROM WHEN I

WAS YOUNG.

I BELIEVE THAT THE DEVIL

CAN DETERMINE, SOMEHOW,

WHAT YOUR DESTINY CAN

BECOME.

AND HE FIGHTS WITH YOU TO

THWART WHAT GOD WANTS TO

DO WITH YOUR LIFE.

WHENEVER I WAS YOUNG,

BASED ON I HAD A READING

PROBLEM, THEY PUT ME IN

SPECIAL GROUPS FOR HELP.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER

IS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I

WAS SO SHY THAT WHEN THEY

WOULD ASK ME TO SPEAK

ALOUD, I WOULD JUST FREEZE

UP.

SO WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A

READING PROBLEM ENDED UP

BEING SHY.

THAT SHYNESS PLAGUED ME

WITH INSECURITIES.

I WAS THE MISFIT AND THE

ONE PICKED LAST FOR A

TEAM.

AND WHEN YOU'RE A BOY, AND

YOU'RE PICKED LAST AFTER

THE GIRLS, THAT CAN BE

KIND OF HUMILIATING.

AND ALL OF THAT CREATED A

BUNCH OF FEARS AND

INSECURITIES.

IT CREATED A FALSE

IDENTITY NOT JUST TO

BELIEVE I FELT REJECTED,

BUT TO ACTUALLY TAKE ON

THAT IDENTITY THAT I AM A

REJECT.

Gordon: THERE IS A

REASON I'M REJECTED --

THAT'S RIGHT.

Gordon: AND THAT

REASON IS ME.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO WHEN I WOULD GO INTO MY

COLLEGE YEARS AND EARLY

ADULTHOOD, IT REALLY

IMPACTED ME.

WHEN I WO WOULD GO INTO

SOCIAL SITUATIONS -- FOR

EXAMPLE, IF I WALKED INTO

A ROOM AND SAW PEOPLE

LAUGHING, I JUST

AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED THEY

MUST BE LAUGHING AT ME

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE

HAD ALWAYS DONE.

THAT REJECTION WAS A LENS

THROUGH WHICH I SAW MY

EVERYDAY LIFE AND IT HELD

ME BACK IN SO MANY WAYS.

Gordon: HOW DID YOU

GET THROUGH IT?

ULTIMATELY, THERE WAS

AN ENCOUNTER THAT HAPPENED

TO ME.

IT ALL CAME TO A HEAD A

FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN I JUST

WOKE UP ONE MORNING.

I HAD JUST STEPPED OUT

INTO MY OWN MINISTRY, AND

THE DEVIL CAME AT AN

OPPORTUNE TIME --

Gordon: LET'S STOP.

YOU STEPPED OUT IN YOUR

OWN MINISTRY --

RIGHT.

Gordon: WITH THIS

FEAR --

I HAD JUST STEPPED OUT.

Gordon: -- AND WITH

THIS SENSE OF REJECTION --

WHAT GOT YOU TO THE POINT

WHERE YOU SAID I'M GOING

TO STEP U OUT OF MINISTRY?

I HAD HAD OPPORTUNITIES

COME UP, SUCH AS WRITING

VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THIS

BOOK, BUT SUDDENLY ALL OF

THE ACCUSATIONS, THE

INSECURITIES, THE ISSUES

FROM THE PAST CAME TO THE

FOREFRONT IN THIS MOMENT,

WHERE I BELIEVE THE ENEMY

WANTED TO KEEP ME FROM

FULLY STEPPING OUT AND

DOING ULTIMATELY WHAT I'M

DOING NOW.

Gordon: WHEN YOU STEP

OUT INTO MINISTRY,

LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT

CAN BE THROWN AT YOU IS

THROWN AT YOU TO TRY TO

CUT IT SHORT.

AND THAT'S WHAT

HAPPENED.

Gordon: OR TO GET YOU

TO QUIT OR CUT IT SHORT.

I HEARD ALL OF THE THE

VOICES FROM THE PAST

SAYING, YOU'RE NOT GOOD

ENOUGH.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THINK

YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH NOW.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST WALK

AWAY, AND GO DO SOMETHING

ELSE.

AND, OF COURSE, THE SECRET

STEMS FROM YOUTH, AND IT

SAID, YOU MESSED UP ONE

TOO MANY TIMES, AND YOU'RE

TOO DIRTY, AND YOU CAN'T

BE USED BY GOD.

SO THROUGH THAT ENCOUNTER,

THE LORD LED ME TO THIS

CROSS-ROADS.

AND I'LL NEVER FIGUR FORGET WHAT

HE SAID.

HE SAID, YOU STAND AT THE

CROSSROADS, AND YOU COULD

GO THE WAY OF JUDAS, WITH

ALL OF THE GUILT AND

ACCUSATIONS, OR YOU CAN GO

DOWN TO VIA DEL LA ROSA,

WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THIS

RESURRECTED LIFE THAT IS

PROMISED, THAT OLD THINGS

PASS AWAY, AND ALL OF THE

DOUBTS AND INSECURITIES

PASS AWAY SO THAT YOU CAN

TRULY STAND IN THAT NEW

LIFE THAT JESUS DIED FOR

YOU TO HAVE.

Gordon: THAT'S AN

AMAZING REVELATION.

I WAS TAKEN TO THE

COURTHOUSCROSS AT THAT MOMENT.

Gordon: WHERE WERE

YOU?

I WAS IN MY LIVING

ROOM, AND I WAS TAKEN TO

THE FLOOR, WHERE I WEPT.

I SAW JESUS BEATEN AND

BATTERED, FOR NOT JUST ALL

OF MY SINS, BUT FOR ALL OF

THE LIES FROM THE ENEMY.

I SAW THEM ON HIM.

BUT IN THAT MOMENT, THEN I

SAW A NEW IDENTITY COME

DOWN.

THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF

2 CORINTHIANS 5: 21: "HE

WHO KNEW NO SIN TOOK ON

YOUR SIN SO THAT IN HIM

YOU WOULD BE DECLARED

RIGHTEOUS."

I FINALLY SAW THE

RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST

COME DOWN UPON ME.

IT COVERED ME.

AND I FINALLY SAID TO

MYSELF, IF THE DEVIL COMES

BACK AND WHISPERS TO ME

ALL OF THESE THINGS FROM

THE PAST, I'M NOT GOING TO

CARE ANYMORE.

I KNOW THAT I A AM NEW IN

CHRIST.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL HIM,

SHUT UP, DEVIL.

HE WHO KNEW NO SIN TOOK ON

MY SIN SO I AM DECLARED

BRAND MU ANBRAND NEW AND RIGHTEOUS IN

CHRIST.

Gordon: AND THAT'S A

WONDERFUL WAY TO DO IT.

I KNOW IN MY OWN LIFE, THE

ENEMY COMES WITH A

BASEBALL BAT AND HE WANTS

TO BEAT YOU WITH WHAT HE

HAS DONE.

FOR ME, WHEN THAT HAPPENS,

I SAY, LISTEN TO THIS

WONDERFUL STORY.

I'VE GOT A STORY FOR YOU.

JESUS CAME, HE WAS BORN.

HE LIVED A SINLESS LIFE.

HE WENT TO THE CROSS FOR

ME.

THE CROSS IS THE PLACE

OF OUR VICTORY.

WHEN I TRULY SAW WHAT

JESUS WENT THROUGH, I KNEW

IN MY HEAD WHAT JESUS WENT

THROUGH.

BUT THIS PROFOUND

ENCOUNTER THAT I HAD AT

THE HEIGHT OF THIS

WARFARE, WHEN THE ENEMY

WAS TRYING TO SHUT ME UP

AND KEEP ME FROM BEING

BOLD IN THE MINISTRY -- AT

THE HEIGHT OF THIS, I SAW

IT.

AND I TRULY EXPERIENCED

WHAT JESUS WENT THROUGH

FOR MY SINS, FOR MY GUILT,

AND FOR MY SIN.

I REALIZED I DIDN'T HAVE

TO HOLD ON TO THAT ANY

LONGER.

I COULD SEE MYSELF IN

CHRIST, AND BECAUSE OF

THAT, GOD CALLED ME

ACCEPTED.

HE CALLED ME CHOSEN.

HE CALLED ME LOVED.

ALL KINDS OF WONDERFUL

THINGS BECAUSE OF THE

FINISHED WORK OF JESUS ON

THAT CROSS.

Gordon: O WHAT D WHAT DO YOU

WANT READERS TO TAKE AWAY

FROM YOUR BOOK?

I WANT READERS TO TAKE

AWAY THAT IT IS FINISHED.

ALL OF THE THINGS THEY'VE

GONE THROUGH THEIR LIVES,

ALL OF THE DOUBTS AND THE

WHAT-IFs, I WANT THEM TO

HEAR WHAT JESUS SAID ON

THE CROSS, THAT IT IS

FINISHED.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE

WITH THE MIND GAMES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE

WITH THE STRUGGLES.

EVEN WITH THE PHYSICAL

ISSUES RELATED TO HEALING,

IT WAS ALL DONE ON THE

CROSS ONCE AND FOR ALL.

AND YOU CAN CLOTHE

YOURSELF IN THAT RIGHTEOUS

ROBE OF JESUS CHRIST, AND

YOU CAN TRULY SEE YOURSELF

IN HIM.

IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

BUT IT IS ABOUT HIM, IN

WHOM THE DEVIL CAN FIND NO

FAULT.

Gordon: I JUST HEAR

IN MY MIND A VIEWER

OBJECTING SAYING, WELL,

YOU DON'T KNOW ME.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE

DONE.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO

THEM?

THERE IS NOTHING THAT

IS TOO GREAT, THERE IS

SOMETHING THAT IS ABOVE

THAT BONDAGE-BREAKING

BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST.

IT IS THE ULTIMATE

SILENCER OF SATAN.

AND 2,000 YEARS AGO, JESUS

SAW THOSE SINS, THOSE

STRUGGLES, REGARDLESS OF

HOW BIG IT IS, AND HE WENT

TO THE CROSS.

AND THOSE ARMS OF GRACE

STRETCHED OUT ACROSS THAT

RUGGED, SPLINTERY BEAM,

AND SAID, I LOVE YOU THIS

MUCH AND THERE IS NOTHING

TOO BIG FOR THE NAILS OF

CRUCIFIXION.

Gordon: KYLE, THANKS

FOR BEING HERE.

HIS BOOK IS AVAILABLE AND

ITS CALLED "SILENCE

SATAN," AND IT'S AVAILABLE

WHERE BOOKS ARE SOLD.

AND HE HAS A MOBILE APP

CALLED "SHUT UP, DEVIL,"

AND IT'S FREE.

WE CLOSE WITH THESE WORDS

FROM JOHN: "THE THIEF DOES

NOT COME ACCEPT TO STEAL

AND TO KILL AND TO

DESTROY.

I HAVE COME THAT THEY MAY

HAVE LIFE AND THAT THEY

MAY HAVE IT MORE

ABUNDANTLY."

GOD BLESS YOU.