A GROUNDBREAKING THEORY

ON BIBLICAL PROPHECY.

ONE AUTHOR LAYS OUT HIS

CASE FOR AN ISLAMIC

ANTI-CHRIST.

> PLUS...FROM

MISS AMERICA TO THE ANCHOR

DESK.

GRETCHEN CARLSON SHARES

THE REAL STORY OF HER

LIFE.

> AND THEN...

EXCRUCIATING PAIN.

Wendy:

> -- A BAD FALL

AND A BROKEN NECK, WATCH

HER WALK AGAIN.

HE HAS JUST BLESSED ME

SO MUCH.

Wendy: ON TODAY'S

"700 CLUB."

Pat: HEY, WE'RE

DRIETED TO HAVDELIGHTED TO HAVE YOU WITH

US.

PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WHAT

ABOUT THIS ANTI-CHRIST

PERSON?

IS HE A ROMAN?

IS HE AN ITALIAN?

IS HE A GERMAN?

OR IS HE A MUSLIM?

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND WE'LL MEET A VERY

CHARMING LADY, WHO WAS A

MISS AMERICA, WHO WILL

INTERVIEWED BY OUR

MISS AMERICA, TERRY

MEEUWSEN.

IN THE NEWS, MORE THAN

16,000 FIGHTERS FROM 90

COUNTRIES ARE RACING TO

JOIN ISIS.

TODAY THREE BRITISH

SISTERS MAY HAVE TAKEN

THEIR NINE LITTLE

CHILDREN, SOME AS YOUNG AS

JUST THREE YEARS OLD, TO

JOIN THE ISLAMIC

CALIPHATE.

Terry: WELL, ANOTHER

BRITISH CITIZEN, THIS ONE

A TEENAGER, BECAME THE

YOUNGEST SUICIDE BOMBER

FOR THE GROUP.

AND EVEN HERE IN VIRGINIA,

A TEEN PLEADED GUILTY FOR

RECRUITING FOR ISIS.

HEATHER SELLS HAS THE

LATEST.

Heather: IN NORTHERN

VIRGINIA, A 17-YEAR-OLD

HONOR STUDENT, ALI AMIN,

FACES UP TO 15 YEARS

BEHIND BARS FOR HELPING

OTHER TEEN TO JOIN ISIS.

HE RECRUITED MORE THAN

4,000 FOLLOWERS ON THIS

TWITTER ACCOUNT.

Reporter: IN BRITAIN,

THE IN FAMILY IS SHOCKED BY

THE REPORTED SUICIDE

KILLING OF THEIR SON FOR

IRAQ.

THE FACT THAT THESE

YOUNGSTERS ARE STILL GOING

OVER THERE I FIND REALLY

ALARMING.

TO FIGHT FOR SUCH AN

ORGANIZATION AS THAT.

ONCE THEY'RE THERE, THEY

ARE SWEPT UP INTO THIS.

IT IS EASY TO BRAINWASH

THEM.

Heather: SO WHAT

DRAWS THESE YOUNG PEOPLE

TO JOIN ISIS AND OTHER

MILITANT ISLAMIC GROUPS?

RECRUITS ARE PROMISED A

GLORIOUS AFTER LIFE, AS

WELL AS A SINCE OF

PURPOSE, CAMARADERIE AND

BELONGING IN THIS LIFE.

WHEN YOU REPEAT EVERY DAY

TO YOUNG 16-YEAR-OLDS OR

18-YEAR-OLDS THAT JIHAD IS

BEST AND YOU WILL GET INTO

PARADISE, THESE CHILDREN

THINK IT IS RIGHT.

MUHAMMAD LOOKS AT PICTURES

OF THE SON HE SAYS HE'LL

NEVER SEE AGAIN, A BOY WHO

SUDDENLY TOOK UP WITH ISIS

WITH ONLY A QUICK GOOD-BYE

OVER THE PHONE.

ON HIS WAY TO SYRIA, HE

CALLED HIS SISTER FROM

TURKEY AND SAID, I LOVE

YOU.

I LOVE MAMA.

I LOVE PAPA.

BUT I'M GOING TO SYRIA.

Reporter: THIS

20-YEAR-OLD WAS NORMAL,

GROWING UP IN THE

NETHERLANDS, INTERESTED IN

GIRLS AND DISCOS, UNTIL HE

WAS WOOED BY EXTREMIST

RECRUITERS.

THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHO

THEIR PREY IS.

THEY PICK ON THE EASIEST

PREY.

Reporter: IT IS

ESTIMATED AS MANY AS 15%

OF THE RECRUITS ARE KILLED

IN BATTLE, AND THOSE WHO

RETURN WILL COME BACK

HARDENED BY FIGHTING AND

TRAINED FOR WAR.

I DON'T GET THE SAME

SON AS BEFORE.

I GET A TOTALLY DIFFERENT

SON BACK.

MY SON MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE

BOMBS NOW, MAYBE HE CAN

SHOOT.

Reporter: RAISING THE

FEAR THAT THE RETURNING

RECRUITS WILL CARRY THE

JIHAD TO THEIR OM HOME

COUNTRIES.

HEATHER SELLS, CBN NEWS.

Pat: WELL, THAT'S THE

WAY IT IS.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FAITH

TO BELIEVE IN, IT IS SO

EASY TO WIN THEM TO

SOMETHING ELSE.

KIDS ARE IDEALISTIC.

THEY WANT A FAITH TO

BELIEVE IN, A CAUSE TO

FIGHT FOR.

THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT

SINGS IN THEIR HEART.

AND IF WESTERN

CIVILIZATION AND ALL OF

ITS TINSEL DOESN'T APPEAL

TO THEM, THEN WHAT IS

LEFT?

WELL, HERE IS YOUR CHANCE

TO REACH PARADISE AND GET

72 VIRGINS IN THE PROCESS.

IT IS NOT ALL BAD NEWS ON

THE TERROR FRONT.

THE U.S. HAS ELIMINATED

al-QAEDA'S SECOND IN

COMMAND.

AN AIRSTRIKE TOOK HIM OUT.

JOHN JESSUP HAS MORE ON

THAT STORY FROM OUR OWN

CBN NEWS BUREAU IN

WASHINGTON.

John: PAT, THAT'S

RIGHT.

al-QAEDA IS CONFIRMING

ITS NUMBER TWO LEADER HAS

BEEN KILLED IN YEMEN.

THE TERROR GROUP ISSUING A

VIDEO STATEMENT THAT ITS

WAR ON AMERICA WILL

CONTINUE, DESPITE THE

DEATH OF AFIR al-WA

HISHI.

THE DEATH IS CONSIDERED

THE HARSHEST BLOW SINCE

OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS KILLED

FOUR YEARS AGO.

HE ONCE SERVED AS BIN

LADEN'S PERSONAL

SECRETARY, AND HE OVERSAW

al-QAEDA'S YEMEN GROUP.

> TEXAS IS BRACING FOR

MORE FLOODING AS TROPICAL

STORM BILL BEARS DOWN.

PARTS OF HOUSTON ARE UNDER

WATER FROM RECENT

FLOODING, EVEN BEFORE THE

RAIN BEGINS.

ROAD CREWS ARE OUT IN

FORCE, HOPING TO PREVENT

MORE FLOODING LIKE THE

DISASTER THAT UNFOLDED ON

MEMORIAL DAY.

THEY'RE CHECKING PUMPS AND

BARRICADING TROUBLE SPOTS

TO KEEP DRIVERS FROM

GETTING TRAPPED.

RESIDENTS ARE MAKING

PLANS, TOO.

SOME CHOOSING TO STAY HOME

FROM WORK TO AVOID

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS.

> THE TERRIFYING SHARK

ATTACKS THIS WEEKEND IN

NORTH CAROLINA ARE

REMINDING PEOPLE THAT

SWIMMING SEASON COULD ALSO

MEAN SHARK SEASON.

TWO TEENAGERS LOST LIMBS.

THE ATTACKS OCCURRING

WITHIN 90 MINUTES OF EACH

OTHER.

NOW FEARS ARE SPREADING TO

OTHER STATES.

LAST WEEK A BOY WAS BITTEN

BY A SHARK IN COCOA BEACH,

FLORIDA.

AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS

VIDEO, TWO SHARKS SPOTTED

AT WAVE LAND BEACH,

FLORIDA.

> WELL, ONE OF THE MOST

INFLUENTIAL CHRISTIAN

WOMEN OF OUR TIMES HAS

DIED.

MISSIONARY AND AUTHOR

ELIZABETH ELLIOT PASSED

AWAY AT THE AGE OF 88.

HER WORDS, BOOKS, AND

RADIO BROADCASTS TOUCHED

THE LIVES OF MILLIONS.

BUT AS WENDY GRIFFITH

REPORTS, THE PEOPLE WHO

KNEW HER SAY THOSE AREN'T

THE THINGS BY WHICH SHE

WANTED TO BE REMEMBERED.

YOU ARE LOVED WITH AN

EVERLASTING LOVE.

THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE

SAYS.

SHE LOVED WORDS AND SHE

LOVED COMMUNICATION.

WITH ME, SHE WAS AUNT

BETTY, AND I WAS LITTLE

STEVIE BOY.

I LOVED HER DEEPLY.

Wendy: STEVE SAINT IS

THE SON OF ONE OF THE

OTHER MISSIONARIES KILLED

WITH ELLIOT'S HUSBAND,

JIM, DURING THEIR TIME

WITH THE ECUADORIAN

INDIANS BACK IN THE 1950S.

HE SAYS WHILE ELLIOT WAS

WELL-KNOWN FOR MANY

THINGS, IT IS HABRFAITH HER FAITH

THAT PEOPLE SHOULD

REMEMBER.

I'M VERY SURE SHE WOULD

NOT WANT TO BE REMEMBERED

AS A GREAT WRITER OR

SPEAKER.

SHE WOULD WANT TO BE

REMEMBERED AS A GIRL, A

WOMAN, WHO TRUSTED GOD TO

USE HER, AND HE DID,

POWERFULLY.

Wendy: JANET WISMAR

WOULD AGREE.

SHE FOUNDED AND WAS THE

FIRST PRODUCER OF ELLIOT'S

RADIO PROGRAM "GATEWAY TO

JOY."

SHE REMEMBERS HOW THEIR

RELATIONSHIP STARTED.

I WROTE HER A LETTER

WHEN I WAS A SILLY

21-YEAR-OLD, HAVING READ

HER BOOK, "LET ME BE A

WOMAN."

AND SHE ANSWERED.

WITHIN A WEEK I HAD A

POSTCARD FROM HER.

AND THAT JUST SPOKE

VOLUMES TO ME.

SHE TOOK A PERSONAL

INTEREST IN EVERYONE THAT

SHE MET.

Wendy: GOD USED THE

DEATH OF ELLIOT'S HUSBAND

AND HIS FRIENDS TO REACH

MILLIONS.

SHE WROTE SEVERAL

BEST-SELLING BOOKS ABOUT

THEIR STORY AND THOSE OF

HER AND OTHER WIVES WHO

LATER LIVED AMONG THE

TRIBE THAT KILLED THEIR

HUSBANDS, IN ORDER TO

TRANSLATE THE BIBLE AND

BRING THEM THE GOSPEL.

SHE WAS ALSO KNOWN FOR HER

BOOKS AND TEACHINGS ON

CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES,

RELATIONSHIPS, MASCULINITY

AND FEMININITY, WITH AN

EMPHASIS OF LORDSHIP AND

OBEDIENCE.

IT WAS A MESSAGE SHE OFTEN

REPEATED ON HER RADIO

PROGRAM.

LET GOD BE GOD.

WE SO OFTEN THINK WE ARE

IN CONTROL, AND THEN WHEN

THINGS ARE OUT OF CONTROL,

WE ARE REMINDED THAT WE

NEVER WERE IN CONTROL IN

THE FIRST PLACE.

Wendy: IT WAS

SOMETHING SHE APPLIED

THROUGHOUT HER LIFE,

INCLUDING HER FINAL YEARS,

WHEN SHE WAS DIAGNOSED

WITH DEMENTIA.

AN ILLNESS HER FAMILY SAYS

SHE ACCEPTED.

KNOWING IT CAME AS NO

SURPRISE TO THE LORD IN

WHOM SHE TRUSTED.

AND UNDERNEATH ARE THE

EVERLASTING ARMS.

THIS IS YOUR FRIEND,

ELIZABETH ELLIOT.

Efrem: PAT, ELLIOT IS

BEING HELD AS A CHRISTIAN

PIONEER.

Pat: JIM ELLIOT

GRADUATED FROM WHEATON

COLLEGE AND WENT OUT THERE

AND SAID, IT IS NO FOOL

WHO WOULD TRADE WHAT HE

COULD NEVER LOSE FOR WHAT

HE COULD NEVER GAIN.

THEY SURRENDERED THEIR

LIVES SO THOSE INDIANS IN

THE ECUADORIAN JUNGLES

WOULD COME TO JESUS, AND

THEY ALL GOT MARTYRED DOWN

THERE.

THAT STARTED SOMETHING.

THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW,

ELIZABETH ELLIOT AND SOME

OTHERS WERE LIVING WITH

THEM AND LEADING THEM TO

THE LORD.

WE HAD ONE OF THEM HERE ON

THIS PROGRAM, AND HE WAS

JUST SO EXCITED ABOUT

KNOWING THE LORD.

THEY SUSPECTED THE WHITE

PEOPLE.

THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE

BRINGING THEM DISEASES AND

WERE GOING TO TAKE THEM

AND KILL THEM AND ELITE

THEM.

EAT

THEM.

IT WAS JUST AWFUL.

BUT THEY WENT DOWN THERE

UNARMED AND WITHOUT ANY

SUPPORT EXCEPT THE LORD.

AND THEIR SACRIFICE LED TO

A HUGE INFLUX OF

MISSIONARY WORK AROUND THE

WORLD.

ELIZABETH ELLIOT, AN

AMAZING WOMAN.

SHE WAS HERE ON THE SHOW

SOME YEARS AGO, VERY

CHARMING AND REGAL IN HER

DEMEANOR.

TERRY?

Terry: MANY MUSLIMS

BELIEVE THAT AN ISLAMIC

SAVIOR IS GOING TO ARRIVE

ON EARTH AND USHER IN THE

END TIMES.

HE IS KNOWN AS THE MAHDI,

BUT SOME CHRISTIANS HAVE A

DIFFERENT NAME FOR HIM:

THE ANTI-CHRIST.

FIND OUT WHY.

THAT'S NEXT.

Pat: WELCOME BACK.

YOU'RE WATCHING "THE 700

CLUB."

AND I WANT TO TELL YOU

ABOUT PROPHECY.

MANY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED

ABOUT IT.

I DON'T SPEND A LOT OF

TIME ON IT, BUT,

NEVERTHELESS, IT IS

FOREFRONT IN MANY PEOPLE'S

LIVES.

AND BOTH CHRISTIANS AND

MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE

IDEA OF END TIMES.

CHRISTIANS ARE LOOKING FOR

THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS

CHRIST.

BUT MUSLIMS HAVE A VERY

DIFFERENT IDEA OF HOW THE

LAST DAYS WILL PLAY OUT.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: MILLIONS OF

MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD

ARE AWAITING THE

APPEARANCE OF AN ISLAMIC

MESSIAH, KNOWN AS THE

MAHDI OR THE 12th IMAM.

VARIOUS BRANCHES OF ISLAM

HAVE DIFFERING BELIEFS

ABOUT THE MAHDI.

SHI'ITE MUSLIMS BELIEVE

THEIR SAVIOR WAS ONCE

ALIVE BUT DISAPPEARED AND

WILL EMERGE A SECOND TIME

FROM THIS WELL, LOCATED IN

A SMALL VILLAGE IN IRAN.

SUNNI MUSLIMS ALSO BELIEVE

IN A SAVIOR, BUT THEY

BELIEVE THE MAHDI IS

MUHAMMAD'S SUCCESSOR AND

HAS YET TO COME TO WORK.

AUTHOR JOEL RICHARDSON HAS

WRITTEN SEVERAL BOOKS ON

HOW ISLAMIC BELIEFS RELATE

TO BIBLICAL PROPHECY.

HIS RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT

THE MAHDI OF THE MUSLIMS

AND THE ANTI-CHRIST SPOKEN

IN THE BIBLE ARE THE SAME

PERSON.

IN HIS BOOK, RICHARDSON

ARGUES THAT THE

ANTI-CHRIST WILL COME FROM

THE MIDDLE EAST AND NOT

FROM EUROPE, AS HAS BEEN

WIDELY TAUGHT BY MANY

MODERN PROPHECY TEACHERS.

Pat: JOEL RICHARDSON

JOINS US RIGHT NOW.

HIS WORK IS VERY

FASCINATING.

IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU

WITH US.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME,

PAT.

Pat: YOU'VE DONE

EXTENSIVE RESEARCH.

DO YOU SPEAK ARABIC?

NOT FLUENTLY.

JUST A LITTLE BIT.

Pat: WELL, HOW DID

YOU GET INTO ALL OF THIS

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE

MUSLIMS BELIEVE?

THANKS FOR ASKING.

MY HEART, FOR SO MANY

YEARS, HAS REALLY BEEN TO

REACH MUSLIMS.

SO SINCE PROBABLY THE

MID-90s, I'VE BEEN

REACHING OUT TO MUSLIMS

EVANGELISTICLY, SHARING

THE GOSPEL.

SO MOST OF MY

CONVERSATIONS ARE

THEOLOGICAL SO IT'S MORE

THAT THAN CONVERSATIONS.

Pat: THE SKOFIELD HAS

SO MANY MISCOMMUNICATIONS.

ONE OF THE THING IS THAT

THE ANTI-CHRIST HAS GOT TO

COME OUT OF ROME.

THE 38th CHAPTER OF

EZEKIEL -- TELL ME WHAT

THE GREAT FLAW IS IN

EVANGELICAL THINKING ON

THIS MATTER.

THERE IS A HANDFUL OF

THINGS.

REALLY THROUGH A

MISINTERPRETATION OF A FEW

KEY PASSAGES, PRIMARILY

DANIEL 2, AS WELL AS

DANIEL 9: 26, WHICH REFERS

TO THE PEOPLE OF THE

PRINCE TO COME, THOSE ARE

THE TWO PASSAGES THAT HAVE

BEEN MISINTERPRETED TO

CONCLUDE THAT THE

ANTI-CHRIST WOULD BE THIS

SUAVE EUROPEAN.

BUT THEY ACTUALLY DON'T

POINT TO EUROPE, BUT

RATHER THE MIDDLE EAST.

SO THAT'S WHAT I DEAL

WITH.

Pat: A LOT OF PEOPLE

STRUGGLE WITH THE 38th

CHAPTER OF EZEKIEL BECAUSE

THAT SEEMS TO SPEAK OF A

FINAL BATTLE, AND YET IT

JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT

IS A BATTLE.

MOST PEOPLE SAY, OKAY,

THAT'S ONE BATTLE.

BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY

ARMAGEDDON.

IT IS JUST ANOTHER BATTLE.

AND THEY'VE GOT ROSH, THE

PRINCE OF MISHEK AND SO

FORTH, AND THEY SAY THAT

IS RUSSIA.

THEY SAY THERE IS A

COALITION THAT COMES

AGAINST ISRAEL IN THE

LATTER DAY THAT SEEMS

RELATIVELY SPECIFIC.

TALK ABOUT THAT.

GOMER WAS SENT BY THE

EVANGELICALS, AND ROSH IS

RUSSIA, ETC.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT

HAPPENS IS YOU BEGIN WITH

THIS FALSE PREMISES THAT

THE ANTI-CHRIST WOULD BE

EUROPEAN.

AND THEN YOU COME TO THIS

PASSAGE THAT SPEAKS OF

THIS INVASION OF ISRAEL,

AND THEY'RE CLEARLY MIDDLE

EASTERN NATIONS.

THEY SAID, THIS MUST BE A

DIFFERENT INVADER, RATHER

THAN THE ANTI-CHRIST.

EZEKIEL IS TELLING THE

SAME STORY THAT ALL OF THE

OTHER PROPHETS ARE

TELLING.

Pat: LET'S GO OVER

THOSE PEOPLE.

GOMER -- I MEAN, UNDER THE

EVANGELICAL POINT OF VIEW,

THAT WOULD BE GERMANY.

YOU SAY, NO, IT'S TURKEY,

RIGHT?

ESSENTIALLY, THERE ARE

TWO METHODS OF

INTERPRETING THESE NAMES.

ONE IS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING

TO TRACE THEM GENETICALLY

THROUGH HISTORY.

SO THEY TRY TO ARGUE THAT

MISHAK IN MOSCOW.

BUT THERE IS THE

HISTORICAL GRA GRAM GRAMMATIC

CALIPERS SPECK.

IGRAMMATIC

PERSPECTIVE.

THERE IS FIVE OUT OF THE

EIGHT NAMES LISTED ARE

ACTUALLY IN TURKEY.

AND IT SAYS GOG, WHICH IS

ANOTHER NAME FOR THE

ANTI-CHRIST, IS THE LEADER

OF TURKEY.

THE BIBLE IS VERY SPECIFIC

IT WOULHE WOULD COME FROM THAT

REGION.

Pat: THEY CAN OPEN AN

ATLAS, AND THERE IT IS.

HOW DO THESE PREACHERS GET

SO FAR OFF-COURSE THEN?

THEY'VE GOT BIG AUDIENCES

LISTENING TO THIS

NONSENSE?

WE TEND TO BE VERY GOOD

STUDENTS OF OUR TEACHERS,

AND NOT ALWAYS VERY GOOD

STUDENTS OF THE

SCRIPTURES, UNFORTUNATELY.

Pat: ALL RIGHT.

GOG, AND MAGOG, AND YOU

SAY GOG AND MAGOG COME OUT

OF A BIBLE -- THEY'RE

BIBLICALLY LOCATED IN

TURKEY?

YEAH.

BASICALLY, YES.

ASIAN MINOR AND ANATOLIA.

AND THEY'RE THE LEADERS OF

THIS COMING INVASION OF

ISRAEL.

WHAT IS SO ESSENTIAL IS

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS

INVASION -- PEOPLE SAY

THEY GET WIPED OUT.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

IN CHAPTER 39: 17, AS A

DIRECT RESULT OF THE

DESTRUCTION OF GOG AND HIS

HOARDS, IT SAYS ISRAEL

WILL COME TO KNOW THE

LORD.

HE WILL POUR OUT HIS

SPIRIT ON ISRAEL.

THOSE THINGS HAPPEN AFTER

A RETURN OF JESUS.

THEY DON'T HAPPEN SEVERAL

YEARS PRIOR.

SO IT IS A DISTORTION OF

THE TEXT TO SAY THIS IS

SPEAKING OF ANYTHING OTHER

THAN THE ANTI-CHRIST.

Pat: AGAIN, BACK TO

EZEKIEL -- YOU MENTION IN

YOUR BOOK, AND I TOTALLY

AGREE, WE CANNOT FOCUS OUR

PROPHETIC TEACHING ON

APOCALYPTIC LITERATURE.

THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY

SYMBOLS.

BUT THERE ARE CLEAR

PASSAGES, AND THAT'S WHY

WE CAN FOCUS ON EZEKIEL.

IT IS PRETTY CLEAR.

THEY'VE GOT IRAN AND

PERSIA AND THE SUDAN AND

KUSH, AND I GUESS MAYBE

LIBYA -- I DON'T KNOW.

AND THEN THIS OTHER PART,

WE'VE SAID THAT'S UP IN

EUROPE.

AND THAT'S ROSH.

AND ROSH IN HEBREW MEANS

HEAD.

BUT THEY SAY THAT MEANS

RUSSIA.

HOW DID THEY GET THAT?

YOU HAVE 602 TIMES THE

WORD "ROSH" USED, AND 601

TIMES IT IS TRANSLATED AS

HEAD OR CHIEF.

BUT FOR SOME REASON IN

THAT ONE TEXT, BECAUSE IT

SOUNDS LIKE RUSSIA, A LOT

OF WESTERNERS HAVE TRIED

TO USE THAT TO SAY IT IS A

PROPER NOUN, POINTING TO

RUSSIA.

MODERN HEBREW -- CONSENSUS

OF MODERN HEBREW

SCHOLARSHIP SAYS THAT IS

NONSENSE.

Pat: IT WOULD BE

EITHER THE HEAD OR THE

PRINCE OR CHIEF OF THIS

GROUP.

IT WOULD BE USED IN THE

SAME WAY IT IS USED

THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE

AREA.

ROSH KADESH.

Pat: ALL RIGHT.

WHAT ARE THE MUSLIMS DOING

THAT MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE

THEY FULFILL THIS

PROPHETIC WORD?

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND

THAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE

THOROUGHLY ISRAEL CENTRIC.

SO THE PRIMARY BAROMETER

FOR THE ANTI-CHRIST THEORY

ARE THE NATIONS THAT ARE

POSSESSED WITH THE DEMONIC

HATRED OF THE JEWISH

PEOPLE, THE PROMISED LAND,

SO THE QURAN IS

ANTI-CHRISTIC.

IT SAYS IF YOU BELIEVE

THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF

GOD, YOU'RE THE HARDEST

BLASPHEMER.

THE QURAN NAMES THE MOST

ESSENTIAL FOUNDATIONAL

DOCTRINES OF THE CHRISTIAN

FAITH AND CALLS IT THE

WORST FORM OF BLASPHEMY.

IT DOESN'T TAKE GREAT

DISCERNMENT TO LOOK AT

THIS AND SAY THIS IS THAT

WHICH THE PROPHETS WERE

SPEAKING OF.

Pat: LET'S TALK ABOUT

THIS MAHDI.

THEY LOOK FOR THIS 12th

IMAM, THE MAHDI, AND THEY

THINK HE IS IN THE WELL WELL IN

KUME IN IRAN.

BUT WHAT DO THEY THINK IS

GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE

LAST DAYS?

WHAT DO THEY TEACH?

SO WHETHER WE'RE WE'RE

DEALING WITH THE SHAR'IA

MUSLIMS OR THE AMADHI,

THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE

TWO TO COME BACK TO CAUSE

ISLAM TO BE SUPREME, TO

DEFEAT ALL OF THE OTHER

FAITHS, AND TO AMAZINGLY

ESTABLISH THE SEAT OF

GLOBAL ISLAMIC AUTHORITY

ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY THEIR

MESSIAH FIGURE WILL DO IN

THE LAST DAYS.

Pat: AND JESUS WILL

BE FIGURED INTO THAT, BUT

AS A SUBSERVIENT FIGURE?

THEY SAY JESUS COMES

BACK AND PRAYS BEHIND THE

TEMPLE AS A SIGN --

Pat: THAT'S ABOUT AS

ANTI-CHRIST AS YOU CAN

GET.

THEY'VE BASICALLY TAKEN

THE BIBLICAL STORY OF THE

LAST DAYS, FLIPPED IT ON

ITS HEAD, IT IS A MIRROR

IMAGE, AND THEY MADE ALL

OF THE BAD GUYS THE GOOD

GUYS.

AS CHRISTIANS, WE NEED TO

LOOK AT THIS AND SAY,

SATAN HAS SET MUSLIMS UP.

WE CAN DISCERN AND LOOK AT

IT.

BUT WE NEED TO BE PRAYING

FOR MUSLIMS AND SAY, GOD

BREAK THE BLINDERS AND

DECEPTION OFF OF THEIR

EYES.

Pat: YOU BRING OUT

SOMETHING IN ONE OF YOUR

BOOKS ABOUT BLACK FLAGS.

WHERE IS THAT?

AND THAT'S WHAT ISIS HAS,

IS BLACK FLAGS THEY'RE

WAVING OVER THESE

CONQUERED TERRITORIES?

IN THEIR PROPHECIES, IT

SAYS IN THE LAST DAYS

YOU'LL SEE BLACK FLAGS

COMING FROM THE EAST,

MARCHING TO JERUSALEM.

IT SAYS WHEN YOU SEE THE

BLACK FLAGS, EVEN IF YOU

HAVE TO CRAWL OVER SNOW,

GO AND GIVE YOUR

ALLEGIANCE TO THAT ARMY.

SO THESE FOLLOWERS OF

ISIS, THESE KIDS BEING

RECRUITED, THEY'RE BEING

SWEPT UP.

THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE

PART OF THE UNFOLDING OF

ISLAMIC PROPHECY.

THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE IN

THE LAST DAYS, AND THEY'RE

GOING FOR BROKE.

Pat: WE HAVE A

PRESIDENT WHO THINKS THAT

YOU CAN SIT ACROSS THE

TABLE WITH IRANIAN LEADERS

AND CUT A DEAL THAT WILL

LIMIT NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO

GIVE UP THEIR RELIGIOUS

BELIEFS BECAUSE OF OUR

PRESIDENT, WILL THEY?

NO.

YOU KNOW WHAT IS AMAZING,

PAT, IS THAT SECULAR

CRITICS WILL WATCH THIS

SHOW, AND THEY'LL SAY PAT

ROBERTSON JUST HAD THIS

CRAZY CHRISTIAN GUY ON,

BUT HERE IS PRESIDENT

OBAMA GIVING THIS -- THEY

OPENLY DECLARE THEY WANT

TO COMMIT GENOCIDE AND

WIPE OUT A NATION, AND HE

IS OPENING THE DOOR FOR

THEM TO EVENTUALLY ACHIEVE

NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES.

A THOUSAND TIMES MORE

VIOLENT, ACTIVE,

AGGRESSIVE AND CRAZY

PEOPLE, AND YET THEY'LL

DEFEND OBAMA'S ACTIONS.

I ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE THE

PRESIDENT THE BENEFIT OF

THE DOUBT, BUT THIS IS

CRAZY.

Pat: AHMADINEJAD SAID

THERE WAS A BRIGHT LIGHT

AROUND HIM AND HE WAS

TAKING THE REST OF THE

UNITED NATIONS WITH HIM.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?

THAT WAS IN

SEPTEMBER 2005.

HE STOOD BEFORE THE U.N.

GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND

PRAYED FOR THE COMING OF

THE PERFECT MAN, THE MAHDI

MAHDI.

Pat: YOU PRONOUNCE IT

"MAHDI."

IN ENGLISH, YOU CAN

JUST SAY MAHDI.

Pat: BUT THAT'S THE

FOUNDATIONAL BELIEF OF

THOSE SHI'ITES WHO RUN

THAT -- WELL, THAT --

THEY DOMINATE THE

COUNTRY.

Pat: THEY DOMINATE

THE COUNTRY, BUT IT'S A --

WELL, IT'S RUN BY THE

MULLAHS.

IT IS NOT A SECULAR STATE

AT ALL.

IT IS A RELIGIOUS STATE.

THERE IS NO WAY THEY'RE

GOING TO SURRENDER THOSE

BELIEFS.

NO.

IRAN -- THEY ARE SOME OF

THE MOST FIRM -- THEY HAVE

FIRM CONVICTIONS, AND IRAN

IS PLAYING THE LONG GAME.

EVERYTHING THEY'VE SAID

THEY ARE GOING TO

ACCOMPLISH, THEY HAVE

ACCOMPLISHED.

AND THE FINAL STEP IS

THEIR ACHIEVING NUCLEAR

WEAPONS.

AND WE REALLY DO HAVE A

SUNNI SHI'A REGIONAL WAR

EMERGING RIGHT BEFORE US.

TURKEY VERSES IRAN, SAUDI

ARABIA VERSES IRAN.

Pat: IF TURKEY IS

GOING TO LEAD THIS

COALITION IN THE EZEKIEL

CONTEXT, ARE THEY GOING TO

TURN -- ERDOGAN JUST GOT

BEAT, AND HE WAS

ESTABLISHING AN ISLAMIC

REGIME.

AND THAT'S GONE DOWN IN

FLAMES.

THE FOUNDATION OF MODERN

TURKEY WAS SECULAR.

ARE THEY GOING TO TURN

ISLAMIC?

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING

TO HAPPEN?

IF THEY'RE THE LEADERS OF

THIS COALITION.

THE A.K.PARTY UNDER

PRESIDENT ERDOGAN -- WE

HAVE SEEN THIS ISLAMIST IN

SURGENCE IN TURKEY.

HE SUFFERED A MASSIVE

DEFEAT, BUT HE IS NOT OUT

FOR THE COUNT.

THE KURDISH PARTY THAT

SURPRISED EVERYONE AND

TOOK 10%, THEY'RE VERY

CONSERVATIVE.

AND MOST OF THEM HAVE

SUPPORTED THE A.K. PARTY

IN THE PAST.

SO TURKEY HAS UNDERGONE AN

ISLAMIST REVOLUTION, BUT

IT IS THE GOVERNMENT.

MANY OF THE PEOPLE ARE, OF

COURSE, OPPOSED TO THIS

DICTATORSHIP.

BUT WE WILL SEE, I

BELIEVE, IN THIS REGIONAL

CONFLICT BETWEEN IRAN AND

TURKEY, I BELIEVE TURKEY

OVER THE NEXT DECADE WILL

ACHIEVE DOMINANCE.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME

WARS.

THERE ARE REGIONAL WARS

THAT WILL UNFOLD.

Pat: HOW ABOUT UP IN

THE CAUCASUS.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY

STRONGLY MUSLIM.

ARE THEY GOING TO BE IN

THIS COALITION IN EZEKIEL?

PROBABLY.

A LOT OF THE

UZBEKISTANS -- A LOFLT

THEM, BECAUSLOT OFTHEM BECAUSE OF THE

TURKISH ETHNICITY, WILL

SORT OF GO WITH TURKEY.

IT IS ALL UP IN THE AIR.

I WOULD SAY TO THE PEOPLE

IN THOSE NATIONS, PRAY FOR

YOUR COUNTRY.

DON'T GIVE UP.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE INTO

FATALISM.

Pat: YOU SEE WARS.

HOW ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROPHECY,

YOU ALSO SEE THE TIME WHEN

ISRAEL AND EGYPT AND AS

ASSYRIA ARE GOING TO BE

ONE FOR THE LORD.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING

THAT UP.

ONE, ISLAM IS NOT GOING

AWAY UNTIL JESUS RETURNS.

AND, TWO, ISAIAH 19, THERE

IS GOING TO BE A GREAT

HARVEST.

THE LORD IS CALLING

MUSLIMS OUT, AND THEY WILL

BE PART OF HIS KINGDOM.

AND WE, THE CHURCH -- IF

THERE IS ONE APPLICATION

TO THIS MATERIAL, WE NEED

TO GIVE OURSELVES TO THE

ISLAMIC WORLD, TO LAY DOWN

OUR LIVES TO COMPLETE THE

GREAT COMMISSION, AND TO

SNATCH AS MANY AS WE CAN

FROM THE FIRE.

THEY MAKE SOME OF THE MOST

PASSIONATE, FIERY

FOLLOWERS OF JESUS.

I GOT TO SEE SOME OF THAT

AND BE PART OF IT.

IT IS ONE OF THE MOST

EXCITING THINGS THAT THE

LORD IS DOING ON THE EARTH

RIGHT NOW.

Pat: WE HAVE

50 MILLION HITS ON OUR

ARABIC LANGUAGE WEBSITE.

AND THE MUSLIMS ARE VERY

MUCH HORRIFIED AT WHAT

THEY'RE SEEING FROM ISIS.

BUT, OKAY.

ONE LAST THING.

NOW WE'VE GOT EZEKIEL, BUT

HOW DOES HE TURN INTO THE

ANTI-CHRIST?

ESSENTIALLY GOG IS

SIMPLY ANOTHER NAME FOR

THE ANTI-CHRIST.

IF YOU READ JEWISH

LITERATURE, THEY SAY THIS

IS THE FINAL INVASION OF

ISRAEL AFTER HE HAS

DESTROYED, AND THEN COMES

THE MESSIAH.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE END

OF THIS PROPHECY, EZEKIEL

38, 39, IT ENDS WITH JESUS

ON THE GROUND.

IT SAYS "ALL OF THE

NATIONS WILL KNOW THAT GOD

IS THE HOLY ONE IN

ISRAEL."

THE ONLY TIME THAT

SPECIFIC PHRASE IS USED,

THE HOLY ONE NOT OF

ISRAEL, BUT THE HOLY ONE

IN ISRAEL.

IT ACTUALLY SAYS HIS FACE

WILL BE SEEN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE MISS THAT

POINT.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE

SECOND RETURN OF THE OLD

TESTAMENT.

IT DESCRIBES GOD AS COMING

TO ISRAEL TO DELIVER THEM

FROM THIS INVASION.

IT ENDS, BY THE WAY, WITH

THE GREAT FEAST, THE FEAST

OF THE BIRD AND THE FEAST

OF THE FIELD.

WHICH IS THE SAME FEAST

REFERRED IN REVELATION 19.

Pat: I READ SOMEBODY

SAID, THE BUZZARDS ARE

COMING BACK.

I SAW ONE BIRD, AND THEY

SAID, IS THAT THE BUZZARD,

AND I SAID, NO, IT'S A

STORK.

SO THEY'RE NOT THERE YET

TO EAT THE FLESH OF

CAPTIVES.

IN ANY EVENT, SOON, LATER?

HOW DO YOU SEE IT?

IT IS CLOSER NOW THAN

EVER BEFORE.

BUT THE POINT IS THAT YOU

CAN LOOK AT THE NATIONS.

YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPE,

AND IT'S COMING INTO

FOCUS.

AND THIS NEEDS TO DRIVE US

TO URGENCY TO PROCLAIM THE

GOSPEL, TO DECLARE TO THE

ISLAMIC WORLD, JESUS LOVES

YOU.

HE DIED FOR YOU.

ISLAM IS NOT THE ANSWER.

AND WE NEED TO BE ABOUT

THE BUSINESS OF COMPLETING

THE GREAT COMMISSION.

Pat: AMEN.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS

IS ANOTHER ONE.

JOEL RICHARDSON, HE GOES

INTO GREAT LENGTH TO

REBUTT SOME OF THE PEOPLE

WHO HAVE PUT OUT THEORIES

THAT ARE CONTRARY.

AND I THINK IT IS

DETAILED, AND IT IS THE

KIND OF THING YOU WANT TO

STUDY.

"MIDDLE EAST BEAST," JOEL

RICHARDSON.

JOEL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR

RESEARCH AND WHAT YOU'RE

DOING.

GOD BLESS YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU, PAT.

THANK YOU.

Pat: TERRY, NOW YOU

KNOW ABOUT THE

ANTI-CHRIST, AND HOLD ON

TO YOUR SEAT BELT BECAUSE

THE ROCKETS ARE FIRED UP.

Terry: I'M GOING TO

GET THE BOOK.

> STILL AHEAD, SHE'S

BEEN CALLED A DUMB BLONDE

AND ODDLY THE SMART

MISS AMERICA.

SO WHO IS THE REAL

GRETCHEN CARLSON?

WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT

AFTER THIS.

Terry: AS THE HOST OF

"REAL STORY," ON FOX NEWS,

GRETCHEN CARLSON

INTERVIEWS NEWSMAKERS AND

TACKLES THE TOP HEADLINES

OF THE DAY.

TODAY SHE IS GETTING REAL

ON A MORE PERSONAL STORY,

HER OWN.

GRETCH CHARLESTON

CAPTIVATED THE COUNTRY AS

MISS AMERICA IN 1989.

TODAY SHE IS CAPTIVATING

AUDIENCES AS AN

AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST

AND HOST OF "THE REAL

STORY," ON FOX NEWS.

BUT THINGS DIDN'T ALWAYS

COME EASY FOR GRETCHEN.

IN HER BOOK, "GETTING

REAL," SHE SHARES LESSONS

FROM HER EARLY DAYS AS A

REPORTER, AND HOW SHE OVER

CAME HER CHILDHOOD

INSECUREST THROUGH COURAGE

AND PERSEVERANCE.

GRETCHEN CARLSON IS WITH

US NOW.

IT IS SO GREAT TO HAVE YOU

HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

HAVING ME.

YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH

OTHER FOR SO LONG BECAUSE

WE ALSO SHARE THE

MISS AMERICA LEGACY

TOGETHER.

Terry: YES.

BUT WE DON'T OFTEN GET TO

JUST VISIT WITH EACH OTHER

AND SIT COMFORTABLY

TOGETHER AND TALK, UNLESS

WE GO BACK TO ATLANTIC

CITY OR WHEREVER.

SO NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU.

Terry: YOU HAVE TAKEN

IT UPON YOURSELF TO BATTLE

THE STIGMA THAT GOES WITH

NOT JUST BEING

MISS AMERICA, BUT BEING

BLONDE AND BEING A FIRST.

I MEAN, YOU MOVED INTO THE

NEWS ARENA WHEN THERE

WEREN'T A LOT OF WOMEN IN

NEWS.

BUT GO BACK TO THE VERY

BEGINNING.

HERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE A

WELL-STUDIED CLASSICAL

VIOLINIST.

YOU GRADUATED FROM

STANFORD, STUDIED AT

OXFORD, AND STILL YOU'VE

HAD TO CONTEND OVER THE

YEARS WITH THE WHOLE DUMB

BLONDE THING.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

IT IS AMAZING.

IT HAPPENED AFTER BECOMING

MISS AMERICA.

SUDDENLY IT IS JUST A LOT

EASIER TO CALL YOU A

BIMBO.

THAT CAME AS A REAL SHOCK

TO ME, TO BE HONEST WITH

YOU.

BECAUSE I GREW UP IN THE

MIDWEST.

AND THE MINNESOTA NICE

THING IS SO TRUE.

THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE

JUST TEARING ME DOWN JUST

BECAUSE WAS REALLY

SHOCKING.

MY DAD GAVE ME SOME OF

LIFE'S GREATEST ADVICE AT

THAT TIME, AND EVERYONE

LOVES MY DAD, SO IT MEANT

EVEN MORE.

HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT,

GRETCHEN, NO MATTER HOW

HARD YOU TRY, YOU'RE NEVER

GOING TO GET EVERYONE TO

LIKE YOU.

SO TRY YOUR BEST WITH THE

PEOPLE YOU CAN.

Terry: I KNOW PEOPLE

SAY TO YOU -- YOU TALK

ABOUT THIS IN THE BOOK,

AND I THINK THIS IS TRUE

FOR MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE

HAD VISIBLE SUCCESS IN

THEIR LIVES -- YOU'RE SO

LUCKY TO HAVE GOTTEN THE

BREAKS YOU HAVE GOTTEN.

THE TRUTH IS BEHIND ALL

THAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED

IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF

HARD WORK.

IT CAME FROM THE

PROTESTANT WORTH ETHIC.

MY GRANDFATHER WAS A

LUTHERAN MINISTER IN TOWN,

SO I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE

FAITH AS THE FOUNDATION IN

MY LIFE.

HE STARTED OUR CHURCH WITH

800 MEMBERS, AND WHEN HE

LEFT, THERE WERE 8,500.

SO I LEARNED THE NEVER

GIVE UP ATTITUDE, EVER,

AND WORK HARD.

AND MY MOM, WHEN SHE WOULD

PUT ME TO BED AT NIGHT AND

SAY MY PRAYERS, EVERY

NIGHT SHE ALSO SAID, YOU

KNOW, GRETCHEN, YOU CAN BE

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE.

SO I BUILT MY SELF-ESTEEM

FROM THE INSIDE OUT.

IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT

LESSON FOR THE YOUNG

PEOPLE TODAY.

Terry: AND SOMETIMES,

GRETCHEN, THOSE LESSONS

COME FROM STRUGGLING

THROUGH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE

PUT IN FRONT OF YOU.

YOU TALK IN THE BOOK ABOUT

THE FACT THAT AT ONE POINT

IN YOUR LIFE, AS A VERY

YOUNG GIRL, YOU DEALT WITH

WEIGHT ISSUES.

OH, YEAH.

Terry: BIT IT CHANGES

THE WAY YOU SEE YOURSELF.

WAS IT YOUR BROTHERS WHO

USED TO CALL YOU BLIMPO?

I LOOK AT NEW, AND YOU'RE

ABOUT AS BIG AS A MINUTE

AND I THINK HOW IS THAT

POSSIBLE?

I'M 100% SWEDISH.

AND MY MOM USED TO SAY,

LOOK AT OUR GREAT

GRANDMOTHER'S LEGS.

THEY START HERE AND GO ALL

THE WAY DOWN.

THAT IS WHAT I WAS BORN

WITH GENETICALLY.

I WAS A FAT KID.

I HAD A LOT OF TAUNTS AND

TEASING.

BUT HERE IS THE LESSON IN

IT: I BUILT ME FROM MY

SOUL.

THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.

IN A WAY IT WAS A BLESSING

THAT I WAS FAT.

RIGHT AFTER I WON

MISS AMERICA, I SAID IN

THE PRESS CONFERENCE, I

WAS FAT AND LOOK WHAT

HAPPENED.

IF YOU WORK HARD, YOU CAN

BECOME MISS AMERICA, TOO.

AND MY BROTHERS CALLED ME

BLIMPO, AND I WENT TO THE

AIRPORT, AND ALL OF THE

RAGS HAD MY PICTURE ON THE

FRONT COVER AND IT SAYS

"BLIMPO WINS THE

MISS AMERICA PAGEANT."

Terry: YOU LEARNED

YOU CAN'T BE REALLY

CANDID.

I LEARNED IT, AND NOW

I'M IN THE BUSINESS.

I LEARNED EARLY ON.

BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT?

I'M NOT GIVING UCH THE

FIGHT.

UP THE

FIGHT.

I STILL TALK ABOUT MY

FAITH.

I'M ONE OF THE VERY FEW

NATIONAL NEWS ANCHORS WHO

IS FREE TO TALK ABOUT HER

FAITH.

THERE IS MONTHS AGO ABOUT

TURNING 40 WHERE I DON'T

GIVE A RIP ANYMORE.

[LAUGHTER]

AND I TAKE A LOT OF

CRITICISM FOR IT, BUT I'M

GOING TO CONTINUE TO STAND

UP FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IN.

Terry: IT REALLY,

REALLY DOES.

YOU WERE A PRODIGY,

REALLY, AS A VIOLINIST, AS

A CHILD.

YOU PLAYED WITH SOME OF

THE BEST.

DO YOU MISS THAT?

IS THAT -- BECAUSE IT

CAN'T BE A PART OF YOUR

LIFE.

TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO

MAKE A CHOICE: YOU'RE

EITHER TOTALLY COMMITTED

TO THAT OR COMMITTED TO

YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR

BUSINESS.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT

FACT YOU BRING UP.

AT AGE 17 I BURNED OUT.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING

TO BE MY CAREER.

MY MOM SAID, PLEASE FIND

OTHER WAY IN WHICH YOU CAN

USE THIS TALENT.

AND SHE GOT THE BROCHURE

IN THE MAIL ABOUT

MISS AMERICA.

IT SAID 50% OF THE POINTS

ARE BASED ON TALENT.

AND SHE CALLED ME AND

SAID, I FOUND SOMETHING

FOR YOU TO TRY.

AND I SAID, NO WAY.

SHE ENCOURAGED ME TO DO

IT.

I GUESS THE POINT OF MY

BOOK IS THAT LIFE WORKS IN

MYSTERIOUS WAYS, AS WE

KNOW.

Terry: ISN'T IT

CURIOUS?

I HAVE GONE OFF IN MANY

DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND

ACCOMPLISHED DIFFERENT

THINGS ALONG THE WAY.

AND NONE OF THEM CAME

EASY.

I GOT FIRED THE WEEK AFTER

I GOT MARRIED.

AND MY BOSS SAID TO ME,

YOU'LL BE FINE NOW THAT

YOU HAVE A HUSBAND.

THAT WAS MY SELF-IDENTITY.

AND I HAVE GREAT EMPATHY

FOR ANYONE WHO HAS EVER

BEEN FIRED OR IS STILL

UNEMPLOYED RIGHT NOW, AND

THEY'RE WONDERING, HOW AM

I GOING TO GET OUT FROM

UNDERNEATH THIS?

IT WAS THE TOUGHEST YEAR

OF MY LIFE.

THANK GOODNESS I HAD FAITH

AS MY FOUNDATION TO HELP

ME THROUGH.

Terry: SOMETIMES

YOU'RE IN THOSE WAITING

PERIODS, AND THAT'S WHAT

HAPPENED TO YOU.

WHERE YOU WAIT FOR THE

RIGHT PHONE CALL TO COME,

AND YOU TRUST THAT IT IS

COMING BECAUSE YOU KNOW

YOU'VE WORKED FOR WHAT

YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED.

BUT YOU HAD TO WAIT.

THERE WAS A SEASON OF

WAITING AFTER YOU GOT

FIRED, BEFORE YOU GOT WHAT

YOU WERE GOING TO DO NEXT

AND THEN MOVED ON TO NEW

YORK.

AND SO FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE

IN THAT PLACE YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT, SOMETIMES

THE WAITING IS PART OF THE

PROCESS.

THE WAITING, AND ALSO

REALIZING INSIDE OF

YOURSELF THAT YOU MAY HAVE

TO TAKE A STEP BACK TO GET

BACK INTO THE GAME.

SO WHEN I FINALLY TOOK

THAT NEXT JOB, OR WAS

LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET

ANOTHER JOB, IT WAS A STEP

BACK, BUT IN MY MIND I

SAID, THANK YOU, LORD, FOR

GIVING ME THIS

OPPORTUNITY, AND I'M GOING

TO WORK TRIPLE HARD TO

MAKE IT WORTH MY WHILE.

Terry: THAT'S A BIG

MESSAGE IN YOUR BOOK,

ABOUT HOW HARD YOU'VE

WORKED, HAD TO WORK, BEEN

WILLING TO WORK BECAUSE

SOMETIMES IT IS -- YOU

OFTEN HEAR IN TODAY'S

WORLD, WHERE SOMETIMES,

ESPECIALLY YOUNGER PEOPLE

WITHOUT JOBS SAY, I DON'T

WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT YOU JUMPED INTO EVERY

DOOR THAT GOD OPENED FOR

YOU WITH BOTH FEET.

THE BOOK IS CALLED

"GETTING REAL."

WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO

KNOW ABOUT YOU THAT THEY

MIGHT NOT KNOW?

I WANT THEM TO KNOW

I'VE ALSO STRUGGLED, AND

THAT THROUGH MY FAITH AS

MY FOUNDATION, THAT HAS

KEPT ME GOING.

AND THAT I AM THE BIGGEST

PROPONENT FOR WOMEN AND

FOR HELPING THEM.

I THINK IT IS SO

IMPORTANT.

I WANT TO INSPIRE YOUNG

WOMEN TO BE ANYTHING THEY

WANT TO BE.

MY DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN.

Terry: AGAIN, I WANT

TO SAY THE BOOK IS CALLED

"GETTING REAL."

IT RELEASES NATIONWIDE

TODAY.

YOU CAN CATCH HER HOSTING

"REAL STORY" ON FOX NEWS.

IT IS WEEKDAY AFTERNOONS.

IT IS WONDERFUL TO HAVE

YOU WITH US AND GREAT TO

HAVE A MINUTE TO SIT DOWN

TOGETHER --

AND CATCH UP.

WE COULD GO ON AND ON.

Terry: WE COULD DO A

WEEK PRETTY EASILY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK

WITH MORE OF "THE 700

CLUB" RIGHT AFTER THIS.

COMING UP, A MURDERER

KIDNAPS A MOM, IN A STORY

RIPPED STRAIGHT FROM THE

HEADLINES.

GET AN EXCLUSIVE LOOK AT

THE UPCOMING THRILLER

"CAPTIVE," WHEN WE RETURN.

AND WELCOME BACK TO

"THE 700 CLUB."

THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS

TEARING DOWN A

MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR

CHURCH, LEAVING THE

CONGREGATION HIGH AND DRY.

CHINA AID REPORTS THAT

OFFICIALS HAD APPROVED THE

PATRIOTIC CHURCH IN THE

CITY OF WEN LING.

NOW IT IS BEING DESTROYED

ON GOVERNMENT ORDERS.

THE CHURCH WILL BE ALLOWED

TO RELOCATE, BUT IT IS

ONLY RECEIVING

COMPENSATION FOR ONE-SIXTH

OF WHAT THE BUILDING IS

WORTH.

AND CHINA'S GOVERNMENT HAS

ALSO BEEN TEARING DOWN

CROSSES FROM CHURCH

BUILDINGS, AND ARRESTING

CHRISTIANS WHO OPPOSE THE

DESTRUCTION OF THE

CROSSES.

WOMEN SEEKING ABORTIONS

IN NORTH CAROLINA WON'T

HAVE TO VIEW AN ULTRASOUND

BEFORE THE PROCEDURE.

A LOWER COURT HAD STRUCK

DOWN THE STATE'S LAW THAT

MADE ABORTION DOCTORS

PERFORM AND EXPLAIN THE

ULTRASOUND.

THE HIGH COURT UPHELD THAT

RULING, AND THE JUSTICES

ALSO WEIGHED IN ON A

MISSISSIPPI ABORTION LAW.

THEY REJECTED AN APPEAL TO

REINSTATE THE LAW THAT

REQUIRED ABORTION DOCTORS

TO HAVE ADMITTING

PRIVILEGES AT LOCAL

HOSPITALS.

THAT DECISION ALLOWS

MISSISSIPPI'S ONLY

REMAINING ABORTION CLINIC

TO STAY OPEN.

YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE

LATEST FROM CBN NEWS BY

GOING TO OUR WEBSITE AT

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PAT AND TERRY WILL BE BACK

WITH MORE OF "700 CLUB" "THE 700

CLUB" RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Terry: ON MARCH 11,

2005, AN ACCUSED RAPIST

NAMED BRIAN NICHOLS

ESCAPED CUSTODY AND

MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE,

INCLUDING A JUDGE AND A

FEDERAL AGENT.

HE THEN CARJACKED SEVERAL

VEHICLES, AND A MANHUNT

ENSUED.

AND AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING

THE FOLLOW DAY, A YOUNG

MOM, NAMED ASHLEY SMITH,

WAS WALKING TOWARDS HER

APARTMENT WHEN NICHOLS

APPEARED AND HELD HER

HOSTAGE IN HER HOME.

WHAT HAPPENED NEXT IS THE

SUBJECT FOR THE UPCOMING

MOVIE "CAPTIVE."

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME

ANYWHERE, "THE 700 CLUB"

HAS A SNEAK PEEK.

TAKE A LOOK.

MOMMY --

HEY, BABY GIRL.

-- I LOVE YOU.

I LOVE YOU, TOO.

I LOST EVERYTHING.

MY HUSBAND IS DEAD.

AND THEY SAID I WAS AN

UNFIT MOTHER AND TOOK AWAY

MY LITTLE GIRL.

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS

BOOK?

IT HELPED ME.

THE LADY DROPPED THIS

OFF FOR YOU.

I HAD TO BREAK OUT.

THE BREAKING STORY

RIGHT NOW, THE POLICE ARE

LOOKING FOR THIS MAN.

HE IS MURDER SUSPECT

BRIAN NICHOLS.

I WANT AN EYE IN THE

SKY.

ALL CHOPPERS UP NOW.

MY NAME IS ASHLEY

SMITH.

I'M A MOTHER.

DO IT AGAIN, AND I'LL

HAVE TO KILL YOU.

I NEED TO SEE MY

DAUGHTER.

YOU'RE NOT GOING

ANYWHERE.

GOD, PLEASE HELP ME.

* YOU CALLED ME OUT

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

IT'S JUST A BOOK.

READ IT TO ME.

*

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY

YOU WERE PLACED ON THIS

PLANET?

YOU MUST BEGIN WITH GOD.

HE EXPECTS YOU TO MAKE THE

MOST OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN

GIVEN.

I HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN

ANYTHING.

YOU HAVE A SON.

CHRISTOPHER, YOU'RE

GOING TO HEAR SOME BAD

THINGS ABOUT ME.

I LOVE YOU, LITTLE MAN.

THE GREATEST TRAGEDY IS

NOT DEATH BUT LIFE WITHOUT

PURPOSE.

*

DO YOU FORGIVE ME?

I DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE

GOD CAN.

Terry: "CAPTIVE."

THE MOVIE OPENS IN

THEATERS ON FRIDAY,

SEPTEMBER 18th.

IT IS RATED PG-13, AND IF

YOU WANT TO SEE MORE OF

THIS REAL-LIFE TALE, HEAD

TO cbn.com.

REPORTER TIM BRANSON HAD A

CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH

ASHLEY SMITH IN A CLASSIC

"700 CLUB" STORY.

> NEXT UP, YOUR E-MAIL

QUESTIONS, DEB SAYS "MY

NEW iPAD USES A

THUMBPRINT TO UNLOCK IT.

COULD THIS BE A MARK OF

THE BEAST?"

STAY TUNED FOR "BRING IT

ON" AFTER THIS.

Terry: WELL, WE WANT

TO TAKE SOME TIME TO

"BRING IT ON" WITH THE

E-MAIL QUESTIONS YOU'VE

SUBMITTED.

PAT, THIS FIRST ONE COMES

FROM DEB, WHO SAYS, "MY

SPOUSE BOUGHT ME A

NEW iPAD YESTERDAY.

I LET HIM LOAD IT, AND IT

REQUESTED EITHER A

THUMBPRINT FOR A PASSWORD.

I SAID, FINGERPRINTS ARE

FOR CRIMINALS AND I

WOULDN'T SUBMIT TO IT IN

MY OWN HOME.

PLUS, I FEEL THIS HAD THE

MARK OF THE BEAST WRITTEN

ALL OVER IT.

I THOUGHT I AM RIGHT, BUT

HE DOESN'T THINK SO.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?"

Pat: IT ALSO SAID YOU

CAN HAVE A PASSWORD.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG

WITH THAT.

I HAVE A PASSWORD ON MINE,

AND YOU HIT FOUR DIGITS

AND THE THING TURNS ON.

Terry: I USED TO HAVE

THAT ON MY PHONE, BUT I

WENT TO THE THUM BECAUSE THUMB BECAUSE

YOU JUST PUSH IT AND IT

OPENS UP.

Pat: I DON'T THINK

THAT'S THE MARK OF THE

BEAST.

YOUR FOREHEAD IS YOUR

VOLITION AND YOUR HAND IS

YOUR ACTION.

WHAT IT SAYS IS I'M GIVING

MY VOLITION AND MY ACTION

TO AN ALIEN RELIGIOUS

BEING.

I DON'T THINK PUTTING A

THUMBPRINT ON AN iPAD IS

EXACTLY DOING THAT.

Terry: MEL SAYS, "I

TRULY NEED YOUR HELP.

I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF A

CHURCH FOR OVER 10 YEARS.

WE'VE NEVER MISSED A TIME

PAYING OUR TITHES.

LATELY I'VE NOTICED THAT

THINGS ARE NOT BEING DONE

WITH THE THIEDGE TITHES THAT THE

BIBLE SAYS.

THERE ARE NEW MOTORCYCLES

PURCHASED AND R.V.s AND

SO ON.

THERE ARE NO PROGRAMS TO

HELP THE NEED.

I FEEL THE TITHES HAVE

BEEN USED TO BENEFIT THE

PASTOR AND HIS SON'S

SINGING CAREER.

I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GO

BACK THERE BECAUSE OF THE

ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON.

I STILL PAY MY TITHES, BUT

I'M THINKING ABOUT

STOPPING.

I WANT TO DO GOD'S WILL,

BUT THIS ISN'T RIGHT.

PLEASE HELP.

I WANT TO DO THE RIGHT

THING."

Pat: A CHURCH SHOULD

HAVE A BOARD OF TRUSTEES

THAT HANDLES FINANCIAL

MATTERS.

THERE IS A MISUSE OF

FUNDS -- I DON'T KNOW HOW

MUCH OF THAT MAY BE

ILLEGAL.

BUT WHATEVER IT IS, IT IS

WRONG.

THE FIRST THING YOU MIGHT

DO IS TO BRING THIS UP

WITH THE CONGREGATION OR

WITH THE ELDERS, WHOEVER

RUNS OF THE CHURCH YOU'RE

IN AND SEE IF THEY CAN'T

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND,

IT'S SO EASY IN TODAY'S

WORLD TO GO TO ANOTHER

CHURCH.

YOU JUST SAY, SEE YOU

LATER AND YOU GO DOWN THE

STREET TO THE NEXT CHURCH.

Terry: BUT IF YOU HAD

QUESTIONS LIKE THIS, YOU

WOULDN'T KEEP PAYING YOUR

TITHE THERE.

Pat: NO, YOU

WOULDN'T.

YOU'RE FO NOT GIVING TO THE

MINISTRY.

YOU'RE GIVING TO JESUS.

BUT IN ANY EVENT, THAT'S

THE DEAL.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO

IT RIGHT, GO TO THE ELDERS

AND SAY, LOOK, THERE IS A

SERIOUS PROBLEM WE'VE GOT

TO DEAL WITH.

AND MAYBE THEY CAN CORRECT

IT.

AND LIFE WILL GO ON AS

NORMAL.

Terry: RIGHT.

HERE IS A VIEWER WHO SAYS,

"I'VE HEARD WE CAN RECEIVE

CERTAIN CROWNS IN HEAVEN,

DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HAVE

OR HAVEN'T DONE HERE ON

EARTH.

I'M SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER

HAD A PHYSICAL

RELATIONSHIP OF ANY TIME.

WILL I RECEIVE A CROWN IF

I REMAIN A VIRGIN UNTIL

THE DAY I DIE?

AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE

OTHER CROWNS ONE CAN

RECEIVE?"

Pat: I DON'T KNOW

ANYTHING ABOUT CROWNS

BEING GIVEN TO A VIRGIN,

DO YOU?

Terry: NO.

Pat: PROSTITUTION IS

GIVING YOURSELF TO A

DEMONIC BEING.

AND YOU'VE KEPT YOURSELF

FREE FROM THAT TYPE OF

HARASSI.

BUT THE BOOK OF DANIEL

SAYS, THEY THAT ARE WISE

SHALL SHINE LIKE THE

STARS.

AND THEY THAT LEAD MANY TO

RIGHTEOUSNESS, LIKE THE

STARS IN THE SKY, SO THAT

THE IDEA OF HAVING WISDOM

AND DOING EVANGELISM IS

LIKE THE STARS.

IT SAYS YOU'LL BE LIKE THE

STARS.

Terry: MARTHA SAYS,

"THESE DAYS THE WORLD IS

FULL OF TECHNOLOGY.

I WANT TO SAY THAT I HATE

BIBLE APPS BECAUSE SOME

PEOPLE ARE NOT USING REAL

BIBLES.

THE BIBLE IS A POWERFUL

TOOL FROM GOD, AND EVEN

SOME PASTORS ARE USING

THEIR COMPUTERS TO READ

BIBLE VERSES INSTEAD OF

REAL BIBLES.

I THINK IT IS WRONG.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?"

Pat: I MEAN, HEY, I

GET THAT KINDLE THING AND

I HAVE DOZENS OF BOOKS

THAT I GET ON THE iPAD.

AND I READ THEM ON

THE iPAD BECAUSE IT IS

EASIER.

Terry: IT IS AS REAL

AS IF YOU HOLD THEM IN

YOUR HAND.

Pat: BUT THE THING OF

IT IS YOU CAN GET THEM --

YOU CALL UP AND THEY PUT

THE BOOK ON YOUR MACHINE

AND IT TAKES THEM ABOUT 60

SECONDS TO UNLOAD A WHOLE

BOOK.

AND THERE IT IS.

AND IT COST YOU A FRACTION

OF WHAT IT DOES IF YOU BUY

IT IN HARDBACK.

THERE ISN'T ANYTHING WRONG

WITH THAT.

BUT SOME OF THESE BIBLE

APPS, I AGREE, IF IT

SLICES AND DICES THE

BIBLE -- YOU NEED TO HAVE

THE BIBLICAL IN CONTEXT.

I LIKE A BOOK, IN TERMS OF

THE BIBLE, WHERE YOU CAN

STUDY IT AND TURN THE

PAGES.

Terry: THIS IS MARY

WHO SAYS, "MY LIVE-IN

BOYFRIEND IS VERBALLY AND

PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE.

ALTHOUGH HE HAS BEEN IN

JAIL FOR IT, HE CAN'T GET

HIS TEMPER UNDER CONTROL.

HE IS A GOOD MAN

UNDERNEATH HIS ANGER.

I BELIEVED I COULD LOVE

HIM ENOUGH TO MAKE HIM

WANT TO CHANGE.

I BELIEVED I COULD BE AN

EXAMPLE FOR HIM.

I ALSO BELIEVED THIS IS

WHAT GOD WANTED ME TO DO.

NOW I HAVE DOUBTS AND

FEARS THAT I MAY HAVE

TAKEN ON MORE THAN I CAN

HANDLE.

IT'S NOT AN OPTION TO JUST

LEAVE.

I CAN'T WALK AWAY, BUT I

DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING

TO WORK.

PLEASE HELP ME."

Pat: GOD DOES NOT

WANT YOU TO LIVE IN A

RELATIONSHIP OF COMMON LAW

ACTIVITY.

YOU'RE NOT MARRIED.

THERE WAS A WOMAN BY THE

WELL IN SAMARIA, AND JESUS

SAID, GIVE ME SOME WATER.

AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW --

ALL OF THAT STUFF.

AND HE SAID, GO CALL YOUR

HUSBAND.

AND SHE SAID, I HAVEN'T

GOT A HUSBAND.

AND HE SAID, YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU'VE HAD FIVE OF THEM,

AND THE ONE YOU'RE LIVING

WITH IS NOT YOUR HUSBAND.

THAT RELATIONSHIP IS WRONG

AND YOU NEED TO GET IT

STRAIGHTENED OUT AND

LEGALIZE IT.

THAT'S ALL OF THE TIME

WE'VE GOT.