David: THIS WEEK ON

"THE BRODY FILE," WE'RE

HEADING BACK TO IOWA.

IT IS LIKE THE EMERALD CITY

OF POLITICS.

WE'RE TALKING EXCLUSIVELY

WITH JEB BUSH.

AND HE IS NOT BACKING DOWN

ON THE BATTLE OVER RELIGIOUS

FREEDOM.

A BIG COUNTRY, A TOLERANT

COUNTRY, OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO

FIGURE OUT THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN DISCRIMINATING

AGAINST SOMEONE BECAUSE OF

THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND

NOT FORCING SOMEONE TO

PARTICIPATE IN A WEDDING

THAT THEY FIND GOES AGAINST

THEIR MORAL BELIEFS.

David: AND THEN IT IS

BACK TO D.C., WHERE KEVIN

McCARTHY GIVES US HIS TAKE

ON THE G.O.P. WAR ON WOMEN.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT

LEGISLATIVELY, IT JUST

DOESN'T HOLD WATER.

REPUBLICANS HAVE FOUR

ELECTED WOMEN GOVERNORS.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ONE, AND

THAT PERSON WAS APPOINTED.

David: AND POLITICAL

POWERHOUSE, KIRSTEN POWERS,

STOPS BY.

SHE IS OUT WITH A NEW BOOK

AND TAKING ON THE LIBERALS'

ATTACKS ON FREE SPEECH.

I THINK THE TWO PLACES

WHERE THEY HAVE THE MOST

INFLUENCE ARE ACDEMIA AND

THE MEDIA.

David: OH, MY, IT'S

"THE BRODY FILE."

AND WE'RE ON ACROSS AMERICA,

NEXT.

David: AND WELCOME,

EVERYONE, TO ANOTHER EDITION

OF "THE BRODY FILE."

LOOK, BRACE YOURSELVES.

IT IS GOING TO BE A

JAM-PACKED SUMMER ON THE

SHOW.

WE HAVE BEEN ON THE ROAD,

TREKKING ACROSS THE COUNTRY

AGAIN.

THIS TIME WE RETURN FROM A

LOVELY TRIP TO DEBUQUE,

IOWA.

WE WERE THERE SPENDING A

LITTLE TIME WITH THIS GUY.

JEB BUSH.

WE HUNG OUT WITH HIM, JEB,

AND HIS WIFE, COLUMNBA AS

WELL.

JEB IS GOING TO BE MAKING A

RUN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.

AND NOW WHILE THE FORMER

GOVERNOR HAS THE FINANCIAL

BACKING TO MAKE THAT MOVE,

HE HAS SOME WORK TO DO AT

THE BASE OF THE PARTY,

INCLUDING THE ALL-IMPORTANT

EVANGELICAL VOTE.

WE CAUGHT UP WITH BUSH IN

IOWA.

AND IN OUR EXCLUSIVE

INTERVIEW, WE ASKED HIM

WHERE HE STOOD ON SOME OF

THOSE KEY ISSUES ON THE

MINDS OF CONSERVATIVE

CHRISTIANS.

TAKE A LOOK.

JEB BUSH WOULD BRING A BIG

NAME AND PLENTY OF MONEY TO

THE PRESIDENTIAL HORSE RACE,

BUT HE IS ALREADY BEHIND IN

THE STATETHAT VOTES FIRST

IN THE PRIMARIES.

HIS FAMOUS LAST NAME HAS LED

TO LITTLE SUPPORT IN THE

IOWA POLLS.

WHILE HE IS NOT COMPETING IN

THE TRADITIONAL STRAW POLL,

BUSH SAYS IOWA IS STILL

IMPORTANT.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE A

SERIOUS PLAYER IN IOWA?

YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY.

I'M A REALLY COMPETITIVE GUY

TO BEGIN WITH.

IT IS HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE

THAT I'M GOING TO PLAN FOR

FIFTH PLACE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK HARD

HERE.

David: HE'LL HAVE WORK

TO DO FOR SURE.

HE DOESN'T EXCITE THE TEA

PARTY CIRCUIT.

HIS SUPPORT OF COMPREHENSIVE

IMMIGRATION REFORM AND

COMMON CORE EDUCATIONAL

STANDARDS HASN'T HELPED

EITHER, SOMETHING ON DISPLAY

IN DEBUQUE THIS WEEKEND.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU

PERSONALLY SUPPORT COMMON

CORE.

HERE IS WHAT I'M FOR: I'M

FOR HIGHER STANDARDS DRIVEN

BY THE STATES.

COMMON CORE WAS ESTABLISHED

WITH 45 STATES DOING THIS

WITH NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

INVOLVEMENT.

David: BUSH'S TEAM IS

QUICK TO POINT OUT HE

CHAMPIONED PRO-LIFE CAUSES

AND PARENTAL NOTIFICATION.

AND HE HAS STOOD FOR SCHOOL

CHOICE AND TRIED TO PROTECT

PRAYERS AT PUBLIC SCHOOL

EVENTS.

IT IS THAT JEB BUSH

REPUBLICANS WANT TO SEE

EMERGE IN 2016, AND YET

RIGHT NOW HE IS FIGHTING

SKEPTICISM.

THE WORLD WE LIVE IN,

PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR OWN SET

OF FACTS AND MAKE UP THEIR

OWN MINDS WITHOUT MAYBE

HAVING ALL OF THE

INFORMATION.

David: AND SO VOTERS

CAME HERE SEARCHING FOR

ANSWERS.

I THINK HE DID A GREAT

JOB IN FLORIDA, AND WE'RE

HERE TO LEARN ABOUT HIM AND

HOW HE CAN BE AN EFFECTIVE

NATIONAL LEADER.

I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO

SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT

EVERYTHING.

I THINK EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW

IS SURROUNDED WITH THE IRAQ

WAR.

I THINK THAT IS TAKING AWAY

FROM A LOT OF OTHER

IMPORTANT ISSUES.

David: INDEED, HE

TRIPPED UP LAST WEEK

ANSWERING WHETHER HE AGREED

WITH HIS BROTHER'S DECISION

TO GO TO WAR.

BUT IN IOWA THIS WEEKEND, HE

WASN'T BACKING AWAY FROM HIS

FAMILY.

LOOK, MANY OF YOU ALL

KNOW ME AS GEORGIA GEORGE

AND BARBARA'S BOY, WHICH I'M

PROUD OF, AND MANY KNOW I

GEORGE W.'S BROTHER, AND I'M

PROUD OF THAT, TOO.

David: AND JEB BUSH

HOPES CONSERVATIVES GET USED

TO HIM DEFENDING TRADITIONAL

MARRIAGE IN A DAY WHEN DOING

SO HAS POLITICAL RISKS.

THEY WANT A CANDIDATE,

EVENTUALLY, WHO IS GOING TO

FIGHT ON THIS ISSUE.

ARE YOU THERE GUY ON THIS

ISSUE?

BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED

ABOUT THE MARRIAGE ISSUE.

WELL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT

IT AS WELL.

I THINK TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE

IS A SACRAMENT.

WE NEED TO BE STALWARD

SUPPORTERS OF TRADITIONAL

MARRIAGE.

David: DO YOU BELIEVE

THERE SHOULD BE A

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO

SAME-SEX MARRIAGE?

I DON'T, BUT I'M NOT A

LAWYER.

CLEARLY THIS HAS BEEN

ACCELERATED.

David: AS HAS THE

RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ISSUE.

WE ASKED WHERE HE STANDS

WHEN IT COMES TO THE RIGHT

OF CHRISTIAN BUSINESS OWNERS

TO BE FORCED TO PARTAKE IN

SAME-SEX WEDDINGS.

ARE YOU OKAY IF THEY DON'T

PROVIDE THOSE KINDS OF

SERVICES?

ABSOLUTELY.

IF IT IS BASED ON A

RELIGIOUS BELIEF.

A BIG COUNTRY, A TOLERANT

COUNTRY, OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO

FIGURE OUT THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN DISCRIMINATING

AGAINST SOMEONE BECAUSE OF

THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND

NOT FORCING SOMEONE TO

PARTICIPATE IN A WEDDING

THAT THEY FIND GOES AGAINST

THEIR MORAL BELIEFS.

David: IT IS ONE OF

THE MANY ISSUES JEB BUSH

WILL HAVE TO NAVIGATE IF HE

DECIDES TO TAKE THE

PRESIDENTIAL PLUNGE.

> NOW, TIME FOR MORE --

THAT'S RIGHT, MORE JEB

BUSH.

IT IS LIKE JEB BUSH ON

STEROIDS.

WE HAVE SOME EXTRA BONUS

CLIPS HERE ON THE SHOW.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS

ANYWHERE ELSE.

MORE OF OUR ONE-ON-ONE.

YOU'RE OF CATHOLIC FAITH.

I KNOW IT IS VERY IMPORTANT

TO YOU.

YEAH.

David: HOW DID THAT

FORM YOUR PUBLIC POLICY?

THEY DO.

I THINK IN EVERY WAY.

I THINK IN HAVING COMPASSION

FOR PEOPLE IS -- EVERY

SUNDAY WHEN WE COLUM AND I

GO TO MASS, THE GOSPELS

TEACH US TO LOVE OUR

NEIGHBOR.

THAT IS INFORMED BY MY

FAITH.

PROTECTING THE MOTE

VULNERABLMOST VULNERABLE IN

OUR SOCIETY, I VIEW THAT AS

A CONSERVATIVE VALUE AND

FORMED BY MY FAITH.

I THINK IT IS RIDICULOUS TO

TELL PEOPLE THAT HAVE VIEWS

INFORMED BY DEEPLY HELD

RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, THAT THEY

HAVE TO PUT THAT IN SOME

LOCK BOX.

THAT IT SHOULDN'T MATTER.

WE GET PRETTY -- YOU KNOW,

KIND OF BENDING WITH THE

WIND IF THAT'S THE CASE.

I THINK PEOPLE RESPECT

THAT.

I KNOW IN MY SERVICE AS

GOVERNOR, I DIDN'T SHY FROM

EXPLAINING WHY I BELIEVED

WHWHAT I BELIEVED.

NO ONE THOUGHT I WAS

JUDGEMENTAL.

AS LONG AS YOU EXPRESS YOUR

CRIEWVIEWS IN AN OPEN,

LOVING, TOLERANT WAY -- THIS

IS AMERICA.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE A SHOCK TO

PEOPLE.

IN THE INCREASINGLY SECULAR

WORLD, EVEN THE MOST SIMPLE

EXPRESSION OF FAITH IS

BECOMING UNDER ATTACK.

David: YEAH.

I HAVE TO SAY WHEN I TALK TO

PASTORS ALL ACROSS THE

COUNTRY, OR AT LEAST IN

EVANGELICAL WORLDS, THIS

COUNTRY NEEDS A SPIRITUAL

AWAKENING.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN SOMETHING

LIKE THAT?

I DO.

I DO.

I'VE READ ABOUT IT BECAUSE I

THINK IT IS OF CONCERN.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN IMPOSE

A SPIRITUAL AWAKING IN

WASHINGTON, D.C. BY PASSING

A LAW.

BUT WE HAVE THE CRUMBLING OF

OUR MORAL FOUNDATION IN OUR

COUNTRY THAT IS QUITE

DISTURBING.

IF YOU READ OUR HISTORY,

THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE

THERE IS A GREAT AWAKENING,

IN THE 19th CENTURY, WHERE

THE MASSIVE MOVE WESTWARD,

AND COMMUNITIES WERE TORN

ASUNDER, AND THERE WAS A LOT

OF DRUNKENNESS AND

INFIDELITY, AND THERE WAS A

SPARK BY PRESBYTERIAN

MINISTERS IN WESTERN NEW

YORK THAT TRULY CREATED AN

AWAKENING THAT BROUGHT US

THE ABOLITION MOVEMENT, THE

WOMEN SUFFERAGE MOVEMENT,

AND THE PROHIBITION OF

ALCOHOL.

ALL OF THAT STARTED IN THE

1820s AND '30s.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

CATALYST OF THAT IS, BUT I

THINK FOR OUR COUNTRY AND

FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR

CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN,

IT WOULD BE WORTH HAVING.

David: THEY WAS JEB

BUSH, AGAIN, ON THE BRODY

FILE.

WHEN WE COME BACK, IT WAS

THE INTERCESSION THAT

CHANGED THIS YEAR'S SUPER

BOWL.

WE TALK WITH MATTHEW BUTLER,

WHO HAS SOMETHING ELSE FOR

HIS HIGHLIGHT REEL: HIS

RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

> AND KEVIN McCARTHY

TAKES ON THE SO-CALLED WAR

ON WOMEN.

ALL OF THAT IS NEXT.

THANKS FOR JOININ

David: AND WELCOME

BACK TO "THE BRODY FILE."

IT WAS THE CATCH SCENE

AROUND THE WORLD, AN

INTERCEPTION THAT CAUSED THE

SEAHAWKS WITH A

"SUPERBOOK."

BUT IT IS HIS SPOT WITH GOD

THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE

YOUNG QUARTERBACK.

JENNIFER WISHON HAS THE

STORY, AND THAT MEANS,

THAT'S RIGHT, FOLKS, TIME

FOR JENNY AND THE "B"

BLOCK.

Reporter: IT IS ONE OF

THE GREATEST FINISHES IN

SUPER BOWL HISTORY.

THE PASS IS INTERCEPTED

AT THE GOAL LINE BY MAL COM

MALCOLM BUTLER.

Reporter: THE

25-YEAR-OLD STILL GETS

CHILLS WHEN HE THINKS ABOUT

IT.

THIS WEEKEND HE BROKE OUT

HIS TUXEDO AT THE WHITE

HOUSE DINNER, ONE OF THE

MANY EXTRAORDINARY

EXPERIENCES THAT CONTINUE TO

AMAZE HIM.

> JUST DAYS AGO, YOU WERE

AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES SUNG YOUR PRAISES.

President Obama: HE IS

SO SHORT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE

HIM.

BUT MADE AN UNBELIEVABLE

PLAY.

AND SHOWED HEART AND GUTS.

SHE WAS LOOKING FOR ME.

AND HE CALLED ME SHORTY ALL

DAY.

Reporter: ARE YOU STILL

PUNCHING YOURSELF?

PRETTY MUCH, YEAH, I AM.

IT IS AN HONOR TO HAVE THE

LEADER OF THE WORLD MENTION

YOUR NAME AND CONGRATULATE

YOU ON YOUR

ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Reporter: AS SOON AS

YOU REALIZED YOU HAD CAUGHT

THE BALL AND WHAT THAT

MEANT, TELL ME HOW YOU FELT

AT THAT MOMENT.

I KNOW MY TEAMMATE, HE

FELL ON ME.

AND HE STARTED CRYING.

AND YOU KNOW, I WAS

SHOCKED.

I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT

WAS GOING ON.

YOU KNOW, I NEVER THOUGHT

THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ME IN A

MILLION YEARS.

SO ONCE HE STARTED WHINING

AND BOO-HOOING AND ME, THEN

HE MADE ME START CRYING.

Reporter: WHERE DO YOU

DRAW YOUR INSPIRATION FROM?

YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE

MISTAKES IN MY LIFE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT DRIVES ME.

GROWING UP AS A CHILD, YOU

KNOW, I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE

MUCH.

AND SEEING MY MOM AND MY

FAMILY STRUGGLE -- YOU KNOW,

EVERYTHING COULD BE -- A LOT

OF THINGS CAN PUT DRIVE IN

YOU AND MAKE YOU WANT TO BE

A GREAT PERSON.

Reporter: IT IS WHAT

DROVE HIM ON AN UNLIKELY

ROUTE FROM MISSISSIPPI TO

THE NFL AND THAT

LIFE-CHANGING PLAY.

AND FOR A PRIVATE PERSON WHO

IS STILL NOT COMPLETELY

COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT

HIMSELF, IT HAS BEEN AN

ADJUSTMENT.

YET BUTLER THANKS GOD FOR

EACH OPPORTUNITY AND IS

WORKING HARD TO BE A MAN HIS

FANS CAN RESPECT.

IT IS THE RELATIONSHIP

YOU HAVE WITH GOD.

I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT

MATTERS.

Reporter: FOR "THE

BRODY FILE," I'M JENNIFER

WISHON.

David: THANKS, JENNY.

WHEN WE COME BACK, THE WAR

ON WOMEN.

HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER KEVIN

McCARTHY SITS DOWN WITH

"THE BRODY FILE" AND SHARES

HIS VIEWS ON THE SUBJECT.

THAT'S NEXT.

David: WELCOME BACK TO

"THE BRODY FILE."

WE HAVE ALL HEARD THE

DEMOCRATS' NARRATIVE, IT IS

THE G.O.P. WAR ON WOMEN,

PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES

TO WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND

ABORTION.

BUT HOW DO AMERICANS FEEL

ABOUT IT?

WELL, WE TALKED WITH HOUSE

MAJORITY LEADER KEVIN

McCARTHY AT HIS OFFICE

HERE IN D.C., AND HE SAYS

WHEN IT COMES TO ABORTION,

PARTICULARLY AFTER 20 WEEKS,

MOST AMERICANS ARE ON THE

SAME PAGE.

HERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF OUR

CONVERSATION.

THERE ARE A LOT OF

PRO-CHOICERS, SO TO SPEAK,

THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT

THIS BILL GOING TOO FAR.

WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO

THAT?

WELL, I THINK ANYBODY, NO

MATTER WHERE THEY ARE ON

THIS ISSUE, WHEN IT COMES TO

AFTER 20 WEEKS, STUDIES HAVE

SHOWN THEY FEEL THE PAIN.

WHY WOULD YOU DO A

LATE-TERM?

THE CHILD IS VIABLE.

I THINK THERE IS AN

OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR

EVERYBODY TO SUPPORT THE

BILL, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE

FORWARD.

David: TELL ME A

LITTLE BIT HOW RENEE ALYMERS

HAD CONCERN?

THERE WAS ONE ABOUT

HAVING TO HAVE A POLICE

REPORT.

AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK

THROUGH, MAKING SURE PEOPLE

ARE GOING TO GET COUNSELLING

48 HOURS BEFOREHAND, MAKING

SURE THEY SAW A MEDICAL

INDIVIDUAL GOING THROUGH.

THIS IS A CAPABILITY OF

PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE

CONFERENCE WHO HAD DIFFERENT

CONCERNS, BUT EVERYBODY

WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE

THE PROBLEM.

David: THE G.O.P. WAR

ON WOMEN -- THE DEMOCRATS

LOVE TO TROT THIS OUT.

IT SEEMS TO BE LOSING

STEAM.

TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT

THIS NARRATIVE OF HOW YOU

COMBAT THAT IN THE HOUSE

FROM A LEGISLATIVE

PERSPECTIVE?

IF YOU LOOK AT IT

LEGISLATIVELY, IT JUST

DOESN'T HOLD WATER.

REPUBLICANS HAVE FOUR

ELECTED WOMEN GOVERNORS

ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ONE, AND

THAT PERSON WAS APPOINTED.

I THINK PART OF THAT WAS

JUST A POLITICAL NARRATIVE

FOR DEMOCRATS.

WE GET OUT AND WORK TOWARDS

MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE

EQUALITY THROUGHOUT.

David: THAT WAS KEVIN

McCARTHY HERE ON "THE

BRODY FILE."

> UP NEXT, THE SILENT

SCENE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A MOVIE.

IS THERE A WAR ON FREE

SPEECH?

KIRSTEN POWERS SAYS YES.

SHE STOPS BY AND SHARES HER

THOUGHTS ON THE FREE SPEECH

SMACKDOWN HAPPENING HERE IN

OUR BACKYARD.

THAT IS NEXT.

David: AND WELCOME

BACK TO "THE BRODY FILE,"

EVERYBODY.

TIME FOR OUR CHAT WITH

KIRSTEN POWERS, SHE IS

SHART, ENGAGING, A MEDIA

PERSONALITY, AND NOW SHE IS

AN AUTHOR.

HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED "THE

SILENCING, HOW THE LEFT IS

KILLING FREE SPEECH."

CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING TO

LOVE THIS ONE.

I MEAN, IT IS ONE THING FOR

A DIE-HARD CONSERVATIVE TO

WRITE THE BOOK.

BUT THIS IS COMING FROM A

SELF-PROFESSED LIBERAL.

KIRSTEN POWERS, HERE SHE IS

AND HERE IS OUR

CONVERSATION.

THANKS FOR DOING THIS.

GREAT TO BE HERE.

David: ABOUT THIS

BOOK -- ALL RIGHT, YOU'VE

GOT TO SET THE RECORD

STRAIGHT ON THIS.

I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE

DR. PHIL COUCH.

I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED.

WHY?

David: BECAUSE YOUR A

"LIBERAL" IN QUOTES, BUT

YOU'RE TAKING LIBERALS TO

TASK.

AND A LOT OF CONVERSATION

WILCONSERVATIVES WILL SAY

YOU SOUND LIKE A

CONSERVATIVE AT TIMES.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

THE ARGUMENT I'M MAKE

SEGUNDO A LIBERAL ARGUMENT.

IT IS SAYING THAT LIBERALISM

HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR FREE

SPEECH AND FREE THOUGHT.

AND THAT IS TRUE ABOUT

CLASSICAL LIBERALISM, BUT IT

IS ALSO TRUE ABOUT AMERICAN

LIBERALISM.

FREE SPEECH WAS THE HALLMARK

ISSUE OF THIS SORT OF '60s

RADICAL FREE SPEECH.

LIBERALS PLAY SUCH AN

IMPORTANT ROLE IN OUR

PERCEPTION OF FREE SPEECH.

AND CONSERVATIVES ARE COMING

AROUND AND TAKING ON SORT OF

LIBERAL PERSPECTIVES.

BUT THOSE VIEWS WERE

ABSOLUTELY FORGED BY

LIBERALS, OUR UNDERSTANDING

OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE

PROTECTION WE HAVE, WHICH

COMES FROM THE ACLU, AS MUCH

AS THE CONSERVATIVES DIDN'T

WANT TO HEAR THAT.

I THINK IT IS A

FUNDAMENTALLY LIBERAL VIEW,

AND THE PEOPLE THAT I'M

TAKING TO TASK I CALL THE

LIBERAL LEFT.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY

REPRESENT ALL LIBERALS.

I THINK THEY REPRESENT A

CERTAIN CONTINGENT IN THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE

LIBERAL IDEOLOGICAL WORLD

THAT IS VERY INTOLERANT AND

I DON'T THINK IS

REPRESENTATIVE OF THE

LIBERALS.

David: BUT THEY HAVE A

VERY LARGE MEGA PHONE.

THEY DO.

AND THE TWO PLACES 45E HAVE

THEY HAVE THE MOST INFLUENCE

ARE THE ACADEMIA AND THE

MEDIA.

AND THEY CAN DO A LOT OF

DAMAGE.

AND IF THEY TAKE A LOOK AT

WHAT IS HAPPENING ON OUR

CAMPUSES, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY

SHOULD BE VERY ALARMED.

David: YOU TALK A LOT

ABOUT EVANGELICALS IN THIS

BOOK, CHRISTIANS, WHETHER IT

BE CHICK-FIL-A OR WHAT HAVE

YOU.

MIKE HUCKABEE HAS SAID WE'RE

ON OUR WAY, IF YOU WILL,

WITH THE CRIMINALITY OF

CHRISTIANITY.

WHAT IS YOUR TAKE?

I THINK THAT IS AN

OVERSTATEMENT.

THIS BOOK IS ALMOST

EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT

NON-OFFICIAL SILENCING.

IT IS NOT ABOUT GOVERNMENT

SILENCING.

THE CLOSEST WE GET TO AN

OFFICIAL SILENCING WOULD BE

WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE

CAMPUSES.

WHERE THEY ARE USING THEIR

OFFICIAL POWER TO CREATE

FREE-SPEECH ZONES AND

POLICIES THAT ARE VERY

DISCRIMINATORY.

BUT MOST OF THIS IS

UNOFFICIAL.

THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH A

LOT THROUGH JUST SHAME AND

OSTRACIZING.

AND THEY DON'T NEED THE

GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY DON'T

WANT TO HAVE THE GOVERNMENT

HELPING THEM.

THERE ARE SOME OF THEM WHO

WANT TO HAVE HATE-SPEECH

LAWS.

I THINK MIKE HUCKABEE AND I

PROBABLY DISAGREE ON SOME

THINGS.

I DON'T THINK THE PASTORS

ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO

PERFORM SAME-SEX WEDDINGS,

FOR EXAMPLE.

I THINK OUR SUPREME COURT'S

UNDERSTANDING OF THE FIRST

AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO

CHANGE SO RADICALLY.

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T

HAPPEN.

BUT THIS WOULD FORCE PEOPLE

TO SPEAK WORDS THEY DON'T

BELIEVE.

AND YOU CAN'T FORCE A

CATHOLIC TO MARRY A BAPTIST,

FOR EXAMPLE.

I'M NOT AS ALARMED ABOUT

THAT.

I AM VERY, VERY, VERY

CONCERNED ABOUT CHRISTIAN

ORGANIZATIONS AND CHURCHES

BEING MARGINALIZED.

AND BEING OSTRACIZED.

AND, ALSO, IN MORE OFFICIAL

WAYS, LOSING THEIR TAX

EXEMPT STATUS, AND NOT BEING

ABLE TO DO REALLY IMPORTANT

WORK, AND WHERE A LOT OF

PEOPLE WILL SUFFER.

WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE

EXEMPTIONS TO MAKE THEIR OWN

DECISIONS BASED ON THEIR

RELIGIOUS BELIEF.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS I

ACTUALLY THINK ARE MORE

LIKELY COMING.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY

SERIOUS THINGS.

David: YOU DEVOTE A

CHAPTER IN THE BOOK TO FOX

NEWS.

TELL ME A LITTLE ABOUT THAT

CHAPTER AND THE VITRIOL THAT

IS BEHIND THAT.

WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME, WHEN

DID YOU FIRST BECOME

CONCERNED ABOUT IT?

THAT WAS IT.

WHEN I WATCHED THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION START THIS

SO-CALLED DELEGITIMIZING FOX

NEWS, NOT A LEGITIMATE NEWS

CHANNEL, WHICH WAS THE WORDS

THEY USED OVER AND OVER

AGAIN.

I THOUGHT, THAT'S JUST NOT

THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB, TO BE

TELLING -- I'VE NEVER SEEN

ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.

YOU SEE REPUBLICANS KIND OF

DISS THE "NEW YORK TIMES,"

BUT TO ACTUALLY LAUNCH A

CAMPAIGN THAT WAS VERY

CONCERTED, AND IT HAD

MULTIPLE -- SENIOR WHITE

HOUSE OFFICIALS GOING ON

TALK SHOWS, AND NOT JUST

TELLING PEOPLE FOX IS NOT

LEGITIMATE, SO WE'RE NOT

GOING TO TALK TO THEM, BUT

YOU SHOULDN'T TALK TO THEM,

EITHER.

David: THAT'S

DANGEROUS.

AND I THOUGHT, WHO ARE

YOU TO TELL PEOPLE.

I WOULD ACT THE SAME WAY IF

THIS WAS GEORGE BUSH TALKING

ABOUT MSN SNBC.

AND THEY DID SCARE PEOPLE

OFF OF THINGS.

THERE WERE REALLY IMPORTANT

STORIES THAT FOX LED THE

CHARGE ON THAT THE OTHER

STATIONS HAVE NOT COVERED

BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT TOLD

THEM IT IS NOT A LEGITIMATE

STORY.

AND SO I THINK IT IS

AFFECTIVE IN THAT SENSE.

David: THAT WAS

KIRSTEN POWERS ON "THE BRODY

FILE."

WHEN WE COME BACK, OUR

OY-VEY MOMENT OF THE WEEK.

David: WELCOME BACK.

HERE ON THE SHOW, WE'RE BIG

FANS OF CRIMINAL MISHAPS,

ESPECIALLY ONES CAUGHT ON

FILM.

THIS IS THE OY-VEY MOMENT OF

THE WEEK THAT WE LIKE TO

CALL "IF HE ONLY HAD A

BRAIN."

ALL RIGHT, SO CHECK OUT THIS

WOULD-BE CRIMINAL.

HE IS DRESSED APPROPRIATELY

ENOUGH, LIKE THE SCARECROW

FROM THE WIZARD OF OZ.

THE PLAN IS TO TAKE A CHAIN,

CONNECTED TO THE A.T.M., AND

CONNECT THE OTHER END TO A

TRUCK.

IT IS SIMPLE ENOUGH.

STEP ONE, YOU'VE GOT TO

BREAK THE GLASS.

SO HE'S GOT THE HAMMER.

AND HE FINALLY DOES

BREAKTHROUGH.

BUT WATCH OUT FOR THE SUN

SUNGLASSES DISPLAY.

HE IS SET TO GO -- WAIT A

MINUTE.

YOU FORGOT TO TIE THE OTHER

END.

YOU KNOW THE OLD SAYING, IF

AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED,

TRY AGAIN.

HE COMES BACK AND SAYS,

OY-GEVALT, I'M NOT GOING TO

DO IT.

IT IS NOT WORTH IT.

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY --

YOU DO KNOW THE SAYING:

"NOTHING BEATS A FAILURE BUT

A TRY."

BY THE WAY, THE NEXT TIME

I'M LOOKING TO STEAL AN

A.T.M. MACHINE, I AM NOT

GOING TO GO TO THIS GUY.

OY-GEVALT.

THAT DOES IT FOR THIS WEEK,

FOLKS.

UNTIL NEXT TIME, HAVE A

GREAT WEEK.

GOD BLESS YOU.