700 Club Interactive's Gordon Robertson and Terry Meeuwsen discuss ghost hunters, as Ryan Hendricks, the 'ghost hunter,' shares about his experiences.
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Terry: HI, EVERYBODY,
WELCOME TO "700 CLUB
INTERACTIVE."
FROM GHOSTS LABS, TO
PARANORMAL STATE, IT SEEMS
LIKE YOU CAN'T FLIP THROUGH
YOUR CABLE CHANNELS WITHOUT
COMING TO A GHOST REALITY
SHOW.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT MAKES
YOU A TARGET FOR DARK
OCCURRENCES YOU CAN'T
EXPLAIN.
Gordon: WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE A LOOK AT A
SELF-PROCLAIMED GHOST
HUNTER.
WHAT STARTED OUT AS A SIMPLE
HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT, BECAME
AN ADDICTION HE COULDN'T
ESCAPE.
WATCH THIS.
MY NAME IS RYAN, AND I
WAS A PARANORMAL
INVESTIGATOR.
I GOT STARTED IN THE
PARANORMAL AT SCHOOL.
WE HAD AN ENGLISH PROJECT.
I CHOSE PARANORMAL
PHENOMENON.
I DECIDED TO COLLECT MY
EVIDENCE FOR THE PROJECT
FROM THE ACTUAL SOURCE.
THE BOOK SHOWED HOW TO MAKE
BALANCING RODS, WHICH ARE
TWO RODS YOU HOLD IN YOUR
HANDS, AND THE SPIRITS WILL
SWAY THEM BACK AND FORTH TO
ANSWER YES OR NO QUESTIONS.
I ALSO GOT A QUIJA BOARD.
AND I HAD A VIDEO CAMERA.
HE HAD A BIG FASCINATION
WITH THE PARANORMAL FOR A
FEW REARS.
I TOLD HIM LEAVE IT ALONE.
IT IS DANGEROUS.
THE FIRST TIME I DID IT,
WE WERE AT MY CHURCH.
THE CHURCH WAS BUILT IN
1889, SO WE FIGURED IF IT
IS, LIKE, REALLY OLD, THERE
IS PROBABLY A LOT OF
ACTIVITY THERE.
THE FIRST QUESTION I ASKED
WAS, ARE THERE ANY SPIRITS
HERE?
AND THE RODS MADE AN "X,"
WHICH MEANT YES.
WE LOOKED UP IN THE WINDOW,
AND THERE WAS A BLACK SHADOW
THAT WALKED UP TO THE WINDOW
AND IT JUST STOPPED.
WE ASKED RANDOM QUESTIONS,
AND WE ASKED, ARE YOU A NICE
SPIRIT?
AND THE RODS, WHEN THEY
ANSWERED, THEY PULLED APART
SO FAST THEY LEFT RED MARKS
ON EACH SIDE OF MY NECK,
LIKE BLISTERS.
WE WENT TO THE CHURCH
CEMETERY, AND I STARTED
ASKING QUESTIONS TO THE
RODS, AND WE HEARD THIS
SNAPPING NOISE.
IT WAS THE IMAGE OF A GUY
WALKING OUT.
IT WAS, LIKE, A SHADOW, BUT
IT STARTED WALKING TOWARDS
US, AND SO WE RAN.
IT GOT TO BE ADDICTING.
I DID IT DURING EVERY SECOND
OF MY SPARE TIME.
THEY WERE CUSSING ME OUT AND
TELLING ME TO DO CRAP TO
OTHER PEOPLE.
I SAW THE DEMONS AND PRETTY
MUCH A LOT OF REFLECTIONS,
AND THE REFLECTION OFF OF
THE TV AND MIRRORS AND
WINDOWS.
LIKE ANYWHERE THERE WAS A
REFLECTION, THERE IS MOST
LIKELY GOING TO BE SOMETHING
LOOKING BACK AT YOU.
I JUST HAPPENED TO GO TO
CHURCH ONE DAY, ON A
WEDNESDAY AFTER I HADN'T
BEEN FOR, LIKE, SIX MONTHS.
I STARTED TELLING SOMEBODY
ABOUT THE PROJECT, AND SHE
STOPPED ME IN MID-SENTENCE
AND WAS TELLING ME HOW
THEY'RE NOT GHOSTS.
THEY'RE DEMONS.
AND HOW DANGEROUS IT COULD
BE.
AND THE ONLY WAY I COULD
ESCAPE THE DEMONIC BONDAGE
IS WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS
CHRIST.
I WAS JUST SITTING THERE
WHEN SHE STARTED PRAYING FOR
ME, AND I COULDN'T HELP IT.
I KEPT GETTING ANGRIER AND
ANGRIER.
AND SHE LOOKED AT ME, AND
SHE WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY
TELLING YOU.
THAT'S THE PART THAT CREEPED
ME OUT, SO I KIND OF ENDED
IT.
I WAS SCARED TO DEATH,
SO, LIKE, WHEN I WAS DRIVING
HOME, I JUST BLASTED THE
MUSIC TO TRY TO CLEAR MY
MIND OF, LIKE, EVERYTHING
THAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT IT
JUST GOT STRONGER UNTIL I
FELT LIKE I WAS
INTOXICATED.
I FINALLY GOT HOME.
AND MY MOM HAD WOKEN UP 30
SECONDS BEFORE I ACTUALLY
DROVE UP AT MY HOUSE.
AND SHE FELT LIKE SOMETHING
WAS WRONG.
AS SOON AS I TOOK A STEP IN,
I SAW MY MOM AT FIRST, BUT
THEN MY VISION COMPLETELY
JUST FADED OUT.
I LOOKED BACK AND THERE WAS
JUST, LIKE, THE DEMON.
IT WAS MORE CLEAR AND JUST,
LIKE, EVERY DETAIL OF HIS
BODY AND EVERYTHING WAS
JUST, LIKE, RIGHT THERE.
HE JUST LOOKED AT ME AND
THEN HE DISAPPEARED.
BUT I KNOW WHERE HE WENT.
HE WENT INTO ME.
IT WAS TRULY THE MOST
PAINFUL, AGONIZING FEELING I
HAD EVER EXPERIENCED IN MY
LIFE.
I LOST ALL AND COMPLETE
CONTROL OF MY BODY.
I COULDN'T BREATHE.
I COULDN'T SEE.
I COULDN'T MOVE AT MY OWN
WILL.
I REMEMBER HEARING MY OWN
VOICE THAT WASN'T MINE.
IT WAS LIKE A REALLY DEEP,
SUPER SONIC-TUNED VOICE, BUT
IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY
MOUTH.
I REMEMBER JUST LOOKING AT
MY MOM, AND GOING TOWARDS
HER.
AND AS SOON AS I TOUCHED
HER, IT JUST STOPPED.
I WOKE UP TO RYAN JUST
ABOUT SCREAMING AT THE TOP
OF HIS LUNGS, SOMEBODY HELP
ME.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WERE YOU
GOING ON.
IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT.
I COME RUNNING DOWN THE HALL
AND FOUND HIS MOTHER AND HIM
AT THE FRONT DOOR.
BOTH OF THEM HUGGING EACH
OTHER.
HE HAD HIS HEAD DOWN AGAINST
HER, SEEMED HORRIFIED.
ME AND MY DAD SAT DOWN ON
THE COUCH.
HE WENT AND EXPLAINED THE
GOSPEL TO ME.
BEFORE I ACCEPTED CHRIST, MY
FACE STARTED DOING THESE
WEIRD MOVEMENTS.
AND JUST, LIKE, MOVING AND
TWITCHING AND EVERYTHING.
THE PUPILS OF MY EYE GOT
BIGGER.
DISTRACTIONS STARTED
HAPPENING AND MY DOG STARTED
MAKING STRANGE NOISES.
I SAID YOU KEEP YOUR EYES ON
ME AND LISTEN TO WHAT I'M
TELLING YOU.
HE SAID HE FELT A
PRESSURE ON THE BACK OF HIS
NECK, AND THAT'S WHEN I TOLD
HIM, DAD, YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT YOU'RE MESSING WITH.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG
THESE THINGS ARE.
I SAID, NO, THEY DON'T
KNOW WHO THEY ARE MESSING
WITH.
I KNEW I HAD CHRIST WITH
ME.
I PRAYED TO THE FATHER AND I
ADDRESSED THE DEMONS.
I COULD LITERALLY FEEL HIS
PRESENCE BEHIND ME.
AFTER THAT, THERE WAS JUST A
WHOLE DIFFERENT FEELING IN
THE HOUSE.
AS SOON AS HE ASKED ME IF
I WANTED TO ACCEPT JESUS
CHRIST AS MY PERSONAL LORD
AND SAVIOR, I SAID YES LIKE
THERE WAS NO TOMORROW.
I FELT THIS JOLT, LIKE
SOMETHING RELEASED ME.
I LED HIM TO THE SINNER'S
PRAYER, AND HE OPENED HIS
EYES, AND HIS PUPILS WERE
NORMAL.
I COULD SEE THE CHANGE IN
IMMENSELY.
I CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW GOOD
IT FELT TO BE FREE.
WHAT GOD CAN DO IN SOMEONE'S
LIFE IS SO MUCH MORE
POWERFUL THAN WHAT A DEMON
CAN DO ON EARTH.
I KNOW GOD IS WITH ME,
WHEREVER I AM.
SO HE IS LOOKING AFTER ME.
Gordon: HE'LL BE
LOOKING AFTER YOU, TOO, IF
YOU JUST LET HIM.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST
ASK HIM IN.
HERE IS WHAT MOSES HAD TO
SAY ABOUT THESE VARIOUS
PRACTICES, WHETHER YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT IDOLOTRY OR
SOOTHSAYERS OR SEEKING
COUNSEL FROM THE DEAD.
IT COMES FROM DEUTERONOMY
32: "THEY SACRIFICED TO
DEMONS" -- THAT'S WHAT IS
BEHIND ALL OF THIS, DEMONIC
POWER -- "TO GODS THEY DID
NOT KNOW TO NEW GODS, NEW
ARRIVALS, THAT YOUR FATHERS
DID NOT FEAR."
IT IS ALWAYS THIS NEW
THING.
WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS SECRET
KNOWLEDGE AND WE'LL SHOW YOU
THINGS ABOUT THE FUTURE.
AND IT IS ALWAYS NEW, BUT IT
IS ACTUALLY QUITE OLD.
THE NEW AGE IS NOT NEW AT
ALL.
IT IS ALL OLD AND IT IS ALL
DEMONIC POWER.
HERE IS THE COMMANDMENT FROM
LLAVITACUS: "DO NOT SEEK
AFTER THEM TO BE DEFILED BY
THEM.
I AM THE LORD, YOUR GOD."
WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU AND WHAT
HAPPENS TO RYAN, WHEN YOU
SEEK AFTER THIS STUFF, IT
CAN BECOME ADDICTIVE AND
COMPELLING.
ONE OF THE AMAZING THINGS
THAT MISSIONARIES REPORT
BACK IS THEY'LL SEE A
POPULATION COME TO KNOW
JESUS CHRIST, BUT IN TIME GO
BACK TO THEIR IDOLOTRIES
BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDICTED TO
IT.
THEY HAVE THIS FEAR IF THEY
DON'T DO IT, SOMEHOW THESE
SPIRITS ARE GOING TO ATTACK
THEM OR GET EVEN WITH THEM
OR DO THINGS TO THEM.
IN THE EARLY CHURCH HISTORY,
YOU HAD A LOT OF GREEK
CITIES COME AND COMPLAIN
THAT THE DEMONS WERE
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE
CHRISTIANS, THAT THEY
WEREN'T AS FREE TO ACT IN
THEIR CULTURES BECAUSE OF
THES FLIEWRN THES FLIEWRNS
O THES INFLUENCE OF THE
PRAYERS OF THE CHRISTIANS.
WHEN YOU CULT WIT CONSULT
WITH MEDIUMS, THE PEOPLE
LITERALLY GET DEFILED, AND
THEN IT BECOMES A COMPULSION
WHERE THEY'RE TRYING
DESPERATELY TO GET CLEAN THE
SAME WAY THEY GOT DEFILED,
AND IT NEVER WORKS.
IT NEVER GETS FREE.
IT IS ONLY THE BLOOD OF
JESUS CHRIST THAT CAN SET
THEM FREE.
HERE IS WHAT MOSES, AGAIN,
HAD TO SAY, FROM DEUTERONOMY
18: "WHEN YOU COME INTO THE
LAND, WHICH THE LORD YOUR
GOD IS GIVING YOU, YOU SHALL
NOT LEARN TO FOLLOW THE
ABOMINATIONS OF THOSE
NATIONS.
THERE SHOULD NOT BE FOUND
AMONG YOU ANYONE WHO MAKES
HIS SONOR SON OR DAUGHTER
PASS THROUGH THE FIRE, OR
ONE WHO PRACTICES WITCHCRAFT
OR A SOOTHSAYER, OR A
SORCEROR, OR ONE WHO
CONJURES SPELLS OR A MEDIUM
OR ONE WHO CALLS UP THE
DEAD."
THAT'S A REAL COMPLETE
LIST.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE
THINGS IN OUR CULTURE RIGHT
NOW, WHERE PEOPLE ARE
ACTIVELY TRYING TO DO THIS
STUFF AGAIN, YOU DO SHAKE
YOUR HEAD AND GO, WHAT IN
THE WORLD ARE THEY CHASING
AFTER.
HERE IS WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY
ABOUT IT: "FOR ALL WHO DO
THESE THINGS ARE AN
ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.
AND BECAUSE OF THESE
ABOMINATIONS, THE LORD, YOUR
GOD, DRIVES THEM OUT FROM
BEFORE YOU.
YOU SHALL BE BLAMELESS
BEFORE THE LORD, FOR THESE
NATIONS WHICH WILL DISPOSE
SES, LISTEN TO SOOTHE SAYERS
AND DIVINERS, BUT AS FOR
YOU --."
AND THIS IS WHAT A GREAT
PROMISE WE HAVE, IT IS
INTERESTING THAT AFTER ALL
OF THIS LIST, THE LORD SAYS,
THE LORD YOU'RE GOD HAS NOT
APPOINTED SUCH FOR YOU.
YOU ARE NOT APPOINTED TO
LISTEN TO THE PARANORMAL.
YOU'RE NOT APPOINTED TO GO
GHOST HUNTING.
YOU'RE NOTE APPOINTED TO
HAVE A MEDIUM OR A PSYCHIC
OR GO TO TAROT CARDS.
THAT'S NOT FOR YOU.
HERE IS WHAT'S FOR YOU -- IT
IS ONE OF THE GREAT
MESSIANIC PROPHECIES IN THE
OLD TESTAMENT.
"THE LORD, YOUR GOD, WILL
RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET
FROM YOUR MIDST, FROM YOUR
BREATHERIN, AND HIM YOU
SHALL HERE."
MOSES IS TALKING ABOUT THE
MESSIAH.
FROM THE JEWISH PEOPLE, THE
PEOPLE THAT GOD SET FREE
FROM SLAVERY IN EGYPT, FROM
HIM, THE VERY PEOPLE HE
ESTABLISHED IN ISRAEL, WILL
BE BORN A SAVIOR.
WILL BE BORN A MESSIAH.
AND NONE IS GREATER THAN
HIM.
AND WHEN YOU LISTEN TO WHAT
HEBREWS SAYS ABOUT HIM, IN
TIMES PAST, GOD SPOKE TO US
THROUGH THE PROPHETS.
BUT NOW HE SPEAKS THROUGH
HIS SON.
AND WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT
HE IS THE ONE APPOINTED FOR
YOU, HE'S THE MEDIATOR
BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, HE IS
THE PATHWAY TO THE FATHER,
HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH,
AND THE LIFE.
NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER
BUT BY HIM.
AND THEN WHEN YOU
UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN ASK HIM
QUESTIONS.
AND YOU CAN HEAR HIS VOICE.
AND YOU CAN HAVE THE PEACE
THAT SURPASSES ALL
UNDERSTANDING.
THEN WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD
YOU GO TO A SOOTHSAYER.
WHY WOULD YOU GO TO SOME
DARK FORCE WHEN YOU CAN GO
TO THE LIGHT AND YOU CAN
HEAR CLEARLY WHAT HE WANTS
YOU TO DO.
AND YOU ALSO KNOW HE DWELT
ON EARTH AND HE CAME IN THE
FLESH, AND HE LEFT A RECORD
OF WHAT HE DID AND WHAT HE
ACCOMPLISHED.
AND THE BIGGEST RECORD HE
LEFT IS THAT HE ROSE AGAIN
AND WILL COME INTO YOUR
HEART IF YOU JUST ASK HIM.
SO IF YOU WANT POWER, IF YOU
WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR
CALLING IS, WHAT YOUR
PURPOSE IN LIFE IS, IF YOU
WANT TO KNOW THESE THINGS,
WELL, ASK JESUS.
HE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.
IF YOU WANT DREAMS AND
VISIONS, ASK HIM FOR IT.
IF YOU WANT HIM TO SPEAK TO
YOU AND TO HEAR HIS VOICE,
JUST SAY, LORD, OPEN MY
EARS, OPEN MY EYES, GIVE ME
A HEART OF UNDERSTANDING
THAT I MAY KNOW THE
GREATNESS OF YOUR POWER
TOWARDS US WHO BELIEVE.
WHEN WE COME BACK, A MOTHER
ABANDONS HER DAUGHTER IN A
CEMETERY.
FIND OUT HOW SHE ESCAPED
RIGHT AFTER THIS.
Terry: SOME PARENTS MAY
TAKE THEIR CHILDREN TO THE
CEMETERY TO VISIT THE GRAVES
OF FAMILY OR FRIENDS, BUT IN
GUATEMALA, ONE WOMAN TOOK
HER DAUGHTER TO THE CEMETERY
FOR A VERY DIFFERENT
REASON.
ARIE REMEMBERS THE DAY HER
MOTHER ABANDONED HER IN A
CEMETERY IN GUATEMALA.
SHE WAS ONLY FIVE.
MY MAMA SAID TO ME, I AM
LEAVING YOU HERE BECAUSE YOU
NEVER OBEY.
I WAS HUNGRY.
I HAD NO SHOES.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO
GO.
Reporter: WHEN A WOMAN
FOUND HER, SHE BROUGHT HER
TO A NEARBY ORPHANAGE,
SUPPORTED BY CBN'S "ORPHANS' PROMISE."
THIS ORPHAN HAS BEEN HOME
TO 39 CHILDREN AND NOW HOME
FOR ARIE.
AND THE HOME HAS BEEN ABLE
TO PROVIDE FOR ARIE AND THE
OTHER CHILDREN'S NEEDS.
IT IS MUCH BETTER TO LIVE
HERE.
I AM NOT HUNGRY ANYMORE.
AND I LIKE PLAYING WITH THE
OTHER KIDS.
Reporter: RECENTLY CBN
PROVIDED NEW SHOES FOR ALL
OF THE CHILDREN, SOMETHING
MOST OF THEM HAVE NEVER
OWNED BEFORE.
AND "ORPHANS' PROMISE"
BROUGHT THE CHILDREN A LARGE
TV SO THAT ALL OF THEM CAN
WATCH THEIR FAVORITE
PROGRAMS TOGETHER, INCLUDING
CBN'S "SUPERBOOK," WHICH IS
TEACHING THEM ABOUT JESUS
AND THE TRUTHS OF THE
BIBLE.
I LEARNED FROM
"SUPERBOOK," THAT WE SHOULD
ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH.
THANK YOU, "OPERATION
BLESSING."
Terry: CAN YOU IMAGINE
BEING LEFT ALONE AS A
CHILD?
CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE BEING
LEFT ALONE IN A CEMETERY AND
TOLD THAT IT'S YOUR FAULT
THAT YOU'RE BEING LEFT
THERE.
YOU KNOW, IN SOME CULTURES
CHILDREN ARE JUST SO
MISUNDERSTOOD, MISUSED, AND
MANY EVEN ABUSED.
YOU AND I HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO BRING LIGHT
INTO THE MIDST OF THAT.
FOR THIS LITTLE GIRL TO GO
TO THIS HOME FOR CHILDREN
WAS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY
FOR HER TO FEEL LOVED AND
ACCEPTED, TO HAVE HER NEEDS
PROVIDED FOR, AND TO FIND
OUT ABOUT HOW MUCH JESUS
LOVES HER.
YOU MAKE THAT POSSIBLE WHEN
YOU SUPPORT THE WORK OF
"ORPHANS' PROMISE." SO WE
JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
WHEN YOU JOIN "THE 700 CLUB"
AND YOU BECOME PART OF CBN,
YOU'RE MAKING THIS HAPPEN
AROUND THE WORLD.
TO ALL OF YOU, ON BEHALF OF
THE CHILDREN OF THE WORLD,
WE SAY THANKS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE PART
OF THE WORK WE'RE DOING, YOU
CAN GIVE YOUR GIFT BY
CALLING 1-888-777-1999, OR
YOU CAN ALSO GIVE BY LOGGING
ON TO CBN.COM.
UP NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO BE
ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS.
ISAAC ASKS, "CAN YOU BE
POSSESSED BY A DEMON AND NOT
KNOW IT?"
FIND OUT THE ANSWER WHEN WE
RETURN.
Terry: WE RECEIVED YOUR
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
PARANORMAL AND THE FIRST ONE
COMES FROM TIFFANY, WHO
WRITES, "I'VE BEEN HAVING A
LOT OF WEIRD ENCOUNTERS
LATELY.
I WILL BE HALF A SLEEP WHEN
I HEAR A DARK FORCE AROUND
ME.
I HEAR FOOTSTEPS AND
MOVEMENTS IN MY ROOM WHEN
THIS HAPPENS.
I TRY TO SAY THE NAME OF
JESUS WHEN THIS HAPPENS, BUT
I'VE BEEN PARALYZED.
I'VE BEEN PLEADING THE BLOOD
OF JESUS OVER MY HOME AND MY
CHILDREN.
ARE THESE ENCOUNTERS
COMMON?
AND WHAT DO I NEED TO DO?"
Gordon: I WOULD SAY
THESE EXPERIENCES ARE NOT
COMMON.
AND IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE
SPEAKING WHEN THIS HAPPENS,
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET
OTHER CHRISTIANS TO COME AND
WALK THROUGH THE HOME WITH
YOU.
WHEN YOU GET CHRISTIANS IN
AGREEMENT, AND YOU PRAY OVER
YOUR HOME, OVER YOUR
BEDROOM, AND PLEAD THE BLOOD
OF JESUS CHRIST OVER IT, AND
THEN DO MORE THAN THAT, TAKE
THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS
COMMAND THEM TO LEAVE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
DO -- HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO
IS, WE CAN BIND.
SO BIND AND REMOVE THEIR
ABILITY TO IMPACT YOU
ANYMORE OR APPROACH YOU
ANYMORE.
AND THEY HAVE TO OBEY.
SO GET OTHER CHRISTIANS TO
COME WITH US.
AND DO A PRAYER WALK THROUGH
YOUR HOME.
I KNOW WHEN I MOVED INTO MY
HOME, I CERTAINLY DID THAT.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE
ANYTHING THAT MAY HAVE TAKEN
UP RESIDENCE WAS GONE.
I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND EASILY DONE.
Terry: WELL, WE'VE GOT
ANOTHER QUESTION.
Gordon: WE'VE GOT ONE.
THIS IS FOR YOU.
BARBARA ASKS, "IF YOU WATCH
MOVIES ABOUT GHOSTS, WILL IT
OPEN DOORS IN YOUR LIFE TO
BAD THINGS?"
Terry: WELL, WILL IT OR
CAN IT?
IT WON'T NECESSARILY, BUT I
WOULD SAY THAT IT CAN.
I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IN
THIS, BARBARA, TO ME IS KIND
OF THE SCRIPTURE THAT GORDON
READ EARLIER, AND HE TALKED
ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE AN
ABOMINATION TO GOD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS
MENTIONED IN THAT LIST, IS
ONE WHO CALLS UP THE DEAD.
AND WHY WOULD WE, AS
FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST, WHO
NEED TO FOCUS AND PUT OUR
COMMITMENT AND OUR EFFORT
INTO KNOWING HIM, DRAWING
CLOSE TO HIM, HEARING HIS
VOICE, UNDERSTAND OUR
PURPOSE WHILE WE'RE HERE,
FIRST OF ALL WASTE OR TIME
WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SECOND, WHY WOULD WE BE
INTERESTED IN SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
I THINK OUR FOCUS NEEDS TO
BE ON BEING BLAMELESS BEFORE
GOD.
HOW DO I GET CLOSER TO YOU,
LORD.
HOW DO I HEAR YOUR VOICE.
HOW DO I BE USED BY YOU.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE ANTITHESIS
OF THAT IS GOING AND
SPENDING A COUPLE OF HOURS
WATCHING A MOVIE ABOUT
DEMONIC ACTIVITY.
MAYBE THAT IS PART OF THE
PROBLEM WE SEE IN OUR WORLD
AND IN OUR CULTURE, WE WANT
TO HAVE JESUS AND JUST A
LITTLE BIT OF THE WORLD,
TOO.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT HAPPENS,
AFTER A WHILE, WE START
DILUTING OUR OWN COMMITMENT
TO CHRIST.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET
FOCUSED AND PASSIONATE ABOUT
BEING RIGHT ON.
Gordon: ONE THE
SCRIPTURES I LOVE TO QUOTE
IS "WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF
FAITH IS OF SIN."
IF YOU LIVE WITH THAT ONE,
THAT'S A GOOD ONE TO LIVE
BY.
Terry: THIS IS FOR YOU,
MY FRIEND.
ISAAC SAYS, "CAN YOU BE
POSSESSED BY A DEMON AND NOT
KNOW IT?"
Gordon: I THINK IT IS
UNLIKELY.
THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES
WHERE CHILDREN ARE DEDICATED
AND DIDN'T KNOW IT.
TO BE POSSESSED, YOU
LITERALLY HAVE TO GIVE
PERMISSION.
YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE DOOR.
AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE
PERMISSION FOR THEM TO COME
IN.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW
THAT.
AND I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WHO
WILL MANIFEST DEMONIC
ACTIVITY IN THE MIDDLE OF A
MEETING, WHO WERE OTHERWISE
NORMAL BEFORE THE MEETING
STARTED.
BUT IN THE PRESENCE, AS
JESUS IS BEING PROCLAIMED,
THEY'LL START DOING SOME
VERY UNUSUAL THINGS.
AND PARTICULARILY IN MY
MISSION TRAVELS.
IN MALAYSIA, IN INDIA,
OTHERWISE NORMAL PEOPLE CAME
INTO THE MEETING, AND THEIR
HEARTS WERE EAGER.
THEY WANTED TO HEAR THE
GOSPEL.
BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT,
THEY STARTED WAILING AND
HOWLING.
SO I DOUBT THEY KNEW THEY
WERE GOING TO DO THAT BEFORE
THEY SHOWED UP.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY
SUSPICION, IT IS ALWAYS GOOD
TO JUST SAY -- AND DO THIS
YOURSELF.
YOU CAN CLEANSE YOURSELF.
YOU SAY, I RENOUNCE ALL OF
THE WORKS OF SATAN.
I WANT NO DEMONIC ACTIVITY
IN MY LIFE.
I CANCEL EVERYTHING, AND I
CANCEL ANY HOLD OVER ME.
AND I COMMAND IT NOW TO
LEAVE.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'LL
FIND THE WHOLE HOST OF
HEAVEN IS ON YOUR SIDE.
AND WANTING TO HELP YOU AND
HELP YOU GET FREE.
WE'VE GOT SOME CHAT
QUESTIONS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY
THIS TOPIC SEEMS TO HAVE
GOTTEN SOME INTEREST FROM
OUR CHATROOM.
JOSEPH, WHAT DO WE HAVE?
WE HAVE DREW, AND HE IS
ASKING ARE ALL GHOSTS
DEMONIC?
Gordon: LET'S GET INTO
THE ROOT OF -- SOMETIMES
ENGLISH WORDS AREN'T GOOD
FOR TRANSLATING BIBLE
WORDS.
WHEN YOU HEAR THE TERM, HOLY
SPIRIT, HOLY GHOST, YOU'VE
GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK
TO THE HEBREW, WHICH IS
RUWAC, WHICH IS A
TRANSLATION OF THAT.
AND IT COULD BE TRANSLATED
VANITY.
ECCLESIASTES, VANITY IS
VANITY.
ALL IS BREATH.
SO THESE ARE SORT OF
FLEETING THINGS, WISPY
THINGS, AND SOMETIMES WE CAN
GET THE TRANSLATIONS WRONG.
SO THERE IS A HOLY SPIRIT.
AND HE IS SOVEREIGN, AND
SOVEREIGN WITH GOD.
THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THERE
BEING ANGEL PRESENCE OF US.
WHEN PETER, THEY WERE
PRAYING FOR HIS DELIVERANCE
FROM PRISON, AND HE ACTUALLY
SHOWED UP AT THE GATE.
NOBODY REALLY BELIEVED IT
WAS PETER, EVEN THOUGH THEY
WERE PRAYING FOR IT.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S
HIS GHOST.
AND THE GREEK BEHIND THAT IS
IT IS HIS SPIRIT.
IN REVELATION, THERE IS THE
ANGEL OF JESUS.
HIS ANGEL, HIS PRESENCE IN
SOME TRANSLATIONS TRANSLATE
BACK GHOST.
ARE THEIR SPIRITS OF
DEPARTED PEOPLE?
AND THE ANSWER IS YES.
SAMUEL APPEARED TO SAUL, AND
SO THAT HAPPENED IN THE
BIBLE.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY INFREQUENT.
IT IS THE ONLY INSTANCE THAT
IT EVER HAPPENED IN
HISTORY.
SO ARE ALL GHOSTS DEMONS?
NO.
BUT IF YOU'RE OUT THERE
PURSUING THAT, GUESS WHO
YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO?
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RUN INTO
A HOLY SPIRIT.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING
INTO THE WRONG KIND.
IF YOU WANT THE BAPTISM IN
THE HOLY SPIRIT, IF YOU WANT
A DIVINE ENCOUNTER, GO TO
JESUS.
HE IS THE BAPTIZER.
AND WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND HE
IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND
THE LIFE, AND YOU UNDERSTAND
THAT IS THE GOOD WAY, THEN
ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS
ARE PAIL AND DARK
IMITATIONS.
HERE IS SUSAN FROM
LOUISIANA.
WE TIME FOR SOME PHONE
CALLS.
SUSAN, ARE YOU THERE?
Caller: YES, I AM.
Gordon: HOW CAN WE PRAY
FOR YOU?
Caller: I'VE BEEN
STRUGGLING WITH A DISEASE
FOR 20 YEARS.
IT IS LUPUS, AND IT HAS
CREATED OTHER ISSUES IN MY
BODY, LIKE HEART AND LUNG
AND NERVOUS SYSTEM DAMAGE.
AND JUST SYNDROMES AND A
WHOLE HOST OF THINGS THAT IS
GOING ON BECAUSE OF THE
LUPUS.
AND MY HEART IS DOING
BETTER, ACTUALLY.
MY LAST TWO TESTS, THE
EJECTION CORRECTION CAME OUT
NORMAL.
BUT I'M STILL SHOWING SOME
POSITIVE RESULTS FOR THE
LUPUS.
AND THINGS ARE GETTING
BETTER, AND GOD GAVE ME A
WORD 10 YEARS AGO, WHEN I
WAS IN CHURCH.
HE SAID, I'M GOING TO HEAL
YOU.
SO I'M STANDING ON THAT, AND
ON HIS WORD, AND IT'S JUST
TAKING A LITTLE LONGER THAN
I WOULD LIKE.
SO I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE
IT IF YOU WOULD PRAY FOR
ME.
Gordon: SUSAN, I JUST
HEAR HIM IN YOUR VOICE.
AND I JUST PRAISE GOD FOR
WHAT I'M HEARING.
AND I'M HEARING A WHOLE
BOATLOAD OF FAITH.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE THAN
JUST A MUSTARD SEED, SO
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS
MOUNTAIN TODAY.
AND GOD UNDERSTANDS THAT
YOU'RE WEARY AND YOU'RE
TIRED, AND HE WANTS TO HEAL
YOU AND HE WANTS TH TO DO
IT RIGHT NOW.
LORD, WE LIFT SUSAN TO HER,
AND WE COMMIT HER INTO YOUR
CARE AND INTO YOUR LOVE AND
INTO YOUR HEALING.
I JUST ASK THAT YOUR
PRESENCE WOULD COME ON HER
NOW IN A MIGHTY WAY.
AND WE ASK FOR CLEANSING OF
HER NERVOUS SYSTEM.
WE ASK FOR RESTORATION OF
PROPER BALANCE BETWEEN HER
IMMUNE SYSTEM AND HER
FLESH.
AND WE JUST ASK THAT
EVERYTHING WOULD BE NORMAL
THROUGHOUT HER BODY.
WE SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE
LUNGS AND TO THE HEART, AND
BE HEALED NOW.
NO MORE.
NO MORE.
NO MORE WASTING AWAY.
NO MORE WARRING AGAINST
ITSELF.
BUT NOW LET THE PEACE OF GOD
FLOW INTO EVERY SINGLE CELL
AND BRING IT INTO PROPER
ALIGNMENT.
WE BIND THIS AFFIRMITY NOW
IN JESUS' NAME.
AND WE SAY YOU CAN AFFLICT
SUSAN NO MORE.
WE BIND YOU NOW.
YOU MUST LEAVE HER BODY.
THIS INFIRMITY BE GONE NOW.
IN JESUS' NAME.
Caller: AMEN.
Gordon: GOD BLESS YOU,
SUSAN.
A LOT OF PEOPLE PRAYING FOR
YOU RIGHT NOW.
Caller: THANK YOU,
GORDON.
Gordon: LET US KNOW HOW
IT GOES, AND ENJOY THAT WALK
WITH YOUR DOG.
Caller: OKAY.
THANK YOU.
GOD BLESS.
Gordon: WE LEAVE YOU
WITH THESE WORDS FROM
ROMANCE 12: 1: "LET LOVE BE
WITHOUT HAPPE HYPOCRISY,
ABHORE WHAT IS EVIL