[APPLAUSE]

Terry: HI, EVERYBODY,

WELCOME TO "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

TODAY WE'LL TAKE YOU INSIDE

THE PARANORMAL.

WE'RE GOING TO MEET A MIND

READER WHO COULDN'T CONTROL

HER OWN THOUGHTS.

Gordon: FIRST, WHEN JIM

MARL WAS A YOUNG BOY, HE WAS

HIT WITH A POWER HE HAD

NEVER FELT BEFORE.

HE SPENT THE NEXT FEW YEARS

SEARCHING FOR THAT SAME

POWER, AND THE YEARS AFTER

THAT, HAUNTED BY A DIFFERENT

ONE.

Reporter: JIMMY GREW UP

WITH A TURBULENT HOME FILLED

WITH DRUGS AND STRANGERS.

AFTER HIS MOTHER GOT FED UP,

SHE LEFT AND TOOK JIMMY WITH

HER.

IT WAS A WHOLE NEW

BEGINNING.

IT WAS A WHOLE NEW FAMILY.

THE FIRST SUMMER WE MOVED

IN, I WAS REALLY INTO VIDEO

GAME, THE OLD MATTEL

HAND-HELD GAME.

THE BATTERIES HAD DIED.

I'M LOOKING FOR BATTERIES,

AND I FIND NINE-VOLT

BATTERIES.

AND I FIND THIS LITTLE

BOOKLET, AND IT SAID

SOMETHING ABOUT GOD ON THE

FRONT.

I JUST GRABBED IT.

AT THIS POINT, I HAD NOT

REALLY GONE TO CHURCH AT

ALL, EXCEPT MAYBE BY THE

INVITATION OF A FRIEND.

IT WAS A SIMPLE, BASIC

GOSPEL MESSAGE.

I GOT TO THE END AND I SAID

THE PRAYER WHERE I ASKED

JESUS TO BE MY GOD.

AFTER I FINISHED SAYING THAT

PRAYER, I LEANED BACK IN MY

ROOM, ON THE FLOOR, AND I

REMEMBER JUST HAVING JUST

THIS WARM, GLOWING, TOASTY

MARSHMELLOW, GOOEY FUDGE

BROWNIE FEELING.

I FEEL SO GOOD.

AS I OPENED UP MY EYES, A

VISION OPENED UP BEFORE ME.

WHAT I FOUND WAS A GOLDEN

CLOUD, WHICH I BELIEVED TO

BE THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD CAME

DOWN INTO ME, AND I BEGAN TO

PRAY IN TONGUES.

IT WENT ON FOR FIVE OR 10

MINUTES, AND I HAD NO CLUE

WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

WHEN I FELT LIKE I WAS DONE,

I STOPPED AND I WAS LIKE,

OKAY.

AND I JUST STARTED PLAYING

MY GAME AGAIN.

I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT

IT AGAIN.

AS I STARTING TO GO THROUGH

MY TEENAGED YEARS, NOT EVEN

THINKING ABOUT THAT

EXPERIENCE.

HAVING NO RELATIONSHIP OR

REAL CONCEPT OF WHO GOD IS,

I STARTED DRINKING.

I FAILED MY HIGH SCHOOL

YEARS -- THROUGHOUT MY HIGH

SCHOOL YEARS, THERE WAS DRUG

USE, ALL KINDS OF UNSAVORY

THINGS.

THERE CAME A POINT WHEN I

STARTED HAVING A SPIRITUAL

HUNGER AND I DIDN'T KNOW

WHAT TO DO.

I STARTED GETTING INTO THE

DARK ARTS.

WHEN I SAY "THE DARK ARTS,"

I WAS NOT COMPLETELY

ENTRENCHED, BUT I LOVED TO

READ THINGS ABOUT PSYCHICS.

I LOVED TO READ THINGS ABOUT

GHOSTS.

ABOUT DIFFERENT STRANGE

ENCOUNTERS THAT PEOPLE HAD.

AND I STARTED KIND OF

GETTING INTO PSYCHIC BOOKS

AND READING ABOUT THE

PSYCHIC GIFTINGS AND THIS

AND THAT, THINKING WELL, IF

SOMEBODY HAS THIS KIND OF

GIFT, IT HAS GOT TO BE FROM

GOD.

WHERE ELSE COULD IT COME

FROM.

LATE ONE NIGHT IN MY

BEDROOM, I TURN ON THE

RADIO, AND THERE IS A VERY

FAMOUS BAY AREA PSYCHIC ON,

AND SHE SAID, TONIGHT I'M

GOING TO TEACH YOU HOW TO

MEET YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL.

I'M LIKE, HOW COOL IS THAT.

SHE LEADS YOU THROUGH JUST

THIS BASIC EXERCISE.

YOU PUT ON SOME MUSIC.

YOU TAKE THREE DEEP BREATHS,

AND YOU CLEAR YOUR MIND.

THAT WAS IT.

WHAT IT WAS, YOU COULD TELL

WHEN EVERYTHING WAS

COMPLETELY BLANK.

LIKE IN YOUR MIND, YOU WOULD

START TO SEE LIKE A LITTLE

BIT OF LIGHT.

BEFORE YOU NEW IT, I BEGAN

TO FEEL MY SPIRIT AND MY

SOUL JUST KIND OF COME OUT

OF MY BODY.

IT WENT STRAIGHT UP TO THE

CEILING IN MY BEDROOM, AND

KA-BOOM, IT'S LIKE I'M OUT

AND I'M TRAVELLING.

IT IS WO WHAT PEOPLE CALLED

ASTRAL PROJECTION.

I'M FLYING THROUGH THE AIR.

I'M LIKE CRUISING.

I'M LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD

IS GOING ON.

I FEEL WIND AND COLDNESS.

IT IS COMPLETELY DARK.

AS I LOOK DOWN, I COULD SEE

THE TOPS OF PEOPLE'S HEADS,

AND I NOTICE THEY'RE

STARTING TO LOOK UP AT ME,

BUT I NOTICED THEY WERE NOT

PEOPLE.

THEY WERE, LIKE, MONSTERS OR

SOMETHING.

THEY WERE THE DEMONIC.

AND THEY WERE LOOKING UP AT

ME, AND I WAS, LIKE, WHOA.

I STARTED TO GET REALLY

SCARED, AND I DID WHAT THE

PSYCHIC SAID TO DO TO COME

BACK IN IN YOUR BODY.

AND BAM, I'M LIKE BACK IN MY

BED.

AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IN THE

HECK HAPPENED.

THAT WAS ODD.

I'M GOING TO GO TO SLEEP AND

I'M GOING TO FORGET ABOUT

THAT.

EITHER PURPOSEFULLY OR

IGNORANTLY, WHEN WE STEP OUT

OF GOD'S PROTECTION, OR WE

START MESSING AROUND WITH

MEDIUMS, PSYCHICS, WHATEVER,

IT OPENS UP THE DOOR.

WHAT HAPPENED FROM THAT DAY

FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, MY

HIGH SCHOOL YEARS, I WOULD

BE HARASSED BY DARK

SPIRITS.

I WOULD BE SLEEPING IN BED.

ALL OF A SUDDEN I WOULD JUST

FEEL A PRESENCE IN MY

BEDROOM.

AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN

YOU KNOW SOMEBODY IS STARING

AT YOU.

THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.

I WOULD WAKE UP, AND EACH OF

THESE DIFFERENT NIGHTS THERE

WOULD BE DIFFERENT BEINGS IN

MY ROOM, AROUND MY BED.

SO I HAD TO BE LIKE AN

INDIAN CHIEF.

AND HE LOOKED LIKE HE WANTED

TO HIT ME OR SCRATCH ME, BUT

SOMETHING, LIKE, BLOCKED

HIM.

HE COULDN'T.

, LIKE, THERE WAS THIS

COCOON AROUND ME.

I GOT SCARED AND I WOULD

SWING AND I WOULD SWIPE, AND

THEY WOULD EVENTUALLY GO

AWAY.

SOME WOULD LOOK LIKE OLD

LADIES.

SOME WOULD LOOK LIKE

WITCHES.

SOME WOULD HAVE A SERPENT

KIND OF LOOK TO THEM.

THIS WENT ON FOR MANY, MANY

YEARS.

MANY, MANY YEARS.

I'M ABOUT 18 AT THE TIME

NOW.

I BEGAN WORKING AT AN

INSURANCE COMPANY.

WE WERE ALLOWED TO LISTEN TO

MUSIC, OUR WALKMAN,

WHATEVER.

AND WHEN MY WALKMAN WOULD

GET WARN DOWN BATTERY-WISE,

I COULD STILL PLAY THE

RADIO.

I WOULD START CLICKING

THROUGH THE RADIO STATIONS.

AND F.M.?EFER CA M. NEVER

CAME IN, SO I WOULD LISTEN

TO A.M. AND IT WAS LIKE

METALLICA.

THEY WOULD PLAY 20 SECONDS

OF A SONG, AND THEN A

PREACHER COMES ON AND STARTS

TALKING ABOUT THE MUSIC AND

THE BAND.

I'M LIKE, WHAT, I'M GOING TO

KILL THIS BAND.

WHAT DOES HE KNOW?

HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING

ABOUT THIS.

I'M GOING TO TUNE IN

TOMORROW TO SEE WHAT HE HAS

TO SAY.

I START TUNING IN EVERY DAY,

AND HE'S PREACHING THE

GOSPEL EVERY DAY.

HE STARTS TALKING ABOUT

DELIVERANCE AND YOUR

AUTHORITY IN CHRIST AND

STANDING UP AGAINST DARK

SPIRITS.

KA-CHING, THE DOTS START

COMING TOGETHER.

I HAVE CHRIST IN ME.

EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT WALKING

WITH HIM AT ALL.

I'VE GOT DARK SPIRITS.

THEY'RE COMING AND HAUNTING

AND KEEPING ME UP AT NIGHT.

AND WAIT A MINUTE,

AUTHORITY?

DO I STILL HAVE WHATEVER

THIS AUTHORITY IS THAT THIS

GUY WAS TALKING ABOUT?

I REMEMBER GOING TO MY

APARTMENT AND PRAYING.

AND THE PRAYER THAT I PRAYED

WAS, GOD, I DON'T EVEN KNOW

WHAT KIND OF DOOR IT IS THAT

I OPENED.

I GO, BUT BY THE BLOOD OF

CHRIST I FEEL THAT DOOR SHUT

AND WHATEVER I DID THAT WAS

WRONG, FATHER, I CONFESS IT

TO YOU AS SIN.

AND LET ME TELL YOU, IT WAS

LIKE BAM.

IT STOPPED.

IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

Gordon: MAYBE YOU'VE

OPENED THAT DOOR, AND THE

SAME THING JIMMY GOT INTO,

YOU GOT INTO.

MAYBE IT WAS INNOCENT AT THE

BEGINNING.

MAYBE IT WAS INTENTIONAL ON

YOUR PART.

THE GOOD NEWS IT DOESN'T

MATTER.

HOW YOU STARTED DOWN THAT

ROAD.

IT GOOD NEWS IS GOD STILL

LOVES YOU, AND HE WANTS TO

HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH

YOU.

AND HE WANTS YOU BACK.

AND HE DOESN'T WANT YOU

TORMENTED AT NIGHT.

HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO HAVE

THIS SENSE THAT YOU'RE BEING

FOLLOWED BY EVIL SPIRITS OR

THAT YOU'RE UNDER SOME KIND

OF CURSE.

HE CAME TO SET YOU FREE.

AND THE ONES THAT THE SON

SETS FREE ARE FREE, INDEED.

AND THAT SAME

RELATIONSHIP -- MAYBE YOU

WERE A CHRISTIAN WHEN YOU

WERE YOUNG, AND THE SAME

RELATIONSHIP JIMMY HAD, YOU

CAN HAVE.

THE SAME RELATIONSHIP YOU

USED TO HAVE, YOU CAN STILL

HAVE.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK

FOR IT.

NOW, WAY BACK IN THE FIRST

CENTURY, HERE IS SOMETHING

THE EARLY CHRISTIANS WOULD

DO, PARTICULARLY THE ONES

WHO HAD COME OUT OF PAGAN

WORSHIP, WHERE THEY HAD GONE

INTO THE PAGAN TEMPLES AND

HAD OFFERED SACRIFICE TO

IDOLS AND HAD PARTICIPATED

IN THE GREEK AND ROMAN

FESTIVALS.

THEY WOULD GO THROUGH A

PERIOD OF TRAINING WHERE

THEY WOULD LEARN AND WOULD

LEARN PRIMARILY THE 10

COMMANDMENTS.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A

CHRISTIAN.

AND THEY WOULD LEARN ABOUT

THE LIFE, THE DEATH, AND THE

RESURRECTION OF JESUS

CHRIST, AND HOW HE NOW SITS

IN HEAVEN AND IS EVER GIVING

INTERCESSION FOR THOSE WHO

BELIEVE.

HE IS ALWAYS PRAYING FOR THE

SAINTS.

THAT MEANS HE IS PRAYING FOR

YOU.

AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE

THEM GO THROUGH -- AFTER

THEY HAD FINISHED THIS,

THEY'D GO THROUGH WATER

BAPTISM, AND RIGHT BEFORE

WATER BAPTISM, THEY WOULD

CONFESS THEIR SINS, JUST AS

YOU SAW JIMMY DO IT.

I CONFESS THAT THIS IS A

SIN, AND I RENOUNCE IT.

AND THEN THEY WOULD SAY OUT

LOUD, I RENOUNCE ALL OF THE

WORK OF SATAN.

AND THAT WOULD BREAK IT FOR

THEM.

THEY WOULD, JUST LIKE JIMMY

DID, CLOSE THAT DOOR AND

SEAL IT WITH THE BLOOD OF

CHRIST.

AND THEY WOULD WALK FREE.

AND THEY WOULD BE

FREE, INDEED.

SO IF YOU'VE DABBLED IN THIS

AND YOU WANT TO GET FREE,

AND YOU WANT TO SHUT THAT

DOOR AND NO MORE NIGHTMARES,

NO MORE SENSE OF IMPENDING

DOOM -- NONE OF THAT

ANYMORE -- YOU CAN BE FREE

FROM ALL OF THAT AND

UNDERSTAND RIGHTEOUSNESS,

PEACE AND JOY IS YOURS IN

THE HOLY SPIRIT, ALL YOU

HAVE TO DO IS THE SAME THING

THE EARLY CHRISTIANS USED TO

DO.

IF YOU WANT THAT, BOW YOUR

HEAD AND PRAY THIS VERY

SIMPLE PRAYER, AND LET JESUS

DO ALL OF THE REST.

NOW, IF YOU'VE GOT ISSUES

ABOUT IS JESUS REAL?

IS THIS FOR REAL?

I'VE GOT GOOD NEWS FOR YOU.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK

HIM TO SHOW YOU.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY,

WILL YOU SHOW UP?

WILL YOU BE MY SAVIOR?

WILL YOU DO THAT FOR ME?

AND THEN YOU'LL FIND OUT,

YEAH, HE'S REAL, AND HE'LL

BE THERE, AND BE THERE JUST

FOR YOU.

PRAY WITH ME.

JESUS -- THAT'S RIGHT, SAY

IT OUT LOUD -- JESUS, I COME

TO YOU AND I ASK THAT YOU

WOULD COME INTO MY LIFE AND

THAT YOU WOULD BE MY SAVIOR

AND SET ME FREE FROM ALL OF

THE THINGS THAT BIND ME, ALL

OF THE THINGS THAT OPPRESS

ME AND HAUNT ME.

I WANT TO BE FREE FROM ALL

OF THEM.

AND, JESUS, RIGHT NOW, I

CONFESS TO YOU THAT I AM A

SINNER, AND I NEED TO BE

FORGIVEN.

I HAVE GONE MY OWN WAY.

I HAVEN'T DONE WHAT YOU'VE

ASKED ME TO DO.

I'VE LEFT UNDONE THE THINGS

THAT YOU'VE ASKED ME TO DO,

AND I HAVE SINNED, AND I ASK

FOR FORGIVENESS NOW.

AND, JESUS, OUT LOUD, I

RENOUNCE ALL THE WORKS OF

SATAN.

I NO LONGER WANT THEM IN MY

LIFE.

I CLOSE THE DOOR NOW, AND I

TAKE AUTHORITY OVER IT NOW

IN JESUS' NAME.

AND I SAY BE GONE FROM ME

AND HINDER ME NO MORE.

JESUS, COME INTO MY HEART.

I ASK THAT YOU WOULD FILL ME

WITH YOUR HOLY SPIRIT AND

LET ME KNOW THE PEACE THAT

PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING.

FILL ME NOW WITH

RIGHTEOUSNESS, WITH PEACE,

AND WITH JOY.

FOR I ASK IT IN YOUR NAME,

AMEN.

IF YOU PRAYED WITH ME, THE

BIBLE SAYS IF YOU'LL BELIEVE

IN YOUR HEART AND THEN

CONFESS WERE YOU YOUR MOUTH,

YOU SHALL BE SAVED.

THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY

POWERFUL TO THE CONFESSION

TO SAY, I BELIEVE THAT JESUS

CAME FOR ME.

I BELIEVE HE LIVED, AND HE

WALKED ON THE EARTH, THAT HE

CAME IN THE FLESH AND WALKED

ON THE EARTH.

I BELIEVE HE DIED FOR ME.

I BELIEVE HE ROSE AGAIN FROM

THE GRAVE.

THERE IS SOMETHING VERY

POWERFUL TO THAT.

WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS

MAKE A TOLL-FREE CALL.

1-888-777-1999, AND JUST DO

THAT.

SAY I JUST PRAYED AND I JUST

WANT TO DECLARE RIGHT NOW

THAT JESUS DIED FOR ME, AND

THAT I'M WITH HIM, AND THAT

I BELIEVE AND I WANT TO BE

WITH HIM FOR ALL

ETERNALNITY.

DO IT NOW, 1-888-777-1999.

WE'VE GOT A NEW PACKET FOR

YOU, AND IT'S CALLED "A NEW

DAY," AND THERE IS A C.D.

AND THERE IS A BOOKLET WITH

BIBLE VERSES.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST

CALL US.

IT'S FREE.

TERRY, OVER TO YOU?

Terry: UP NEXT, A

PSYCHIC SEES SOMETHING SHE

NEVER PREDICTED.

SHE'LL SHARE HER STORY.

THAT'S NEXT.

Terry: AFTER A BRUTAL

DIVORCE, SANDRA CLIFTON WENT

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS IN THE

OCCULT.

AND WHAT SHE FOUND WAS A

POWER FAR BEYOND HER

IMAGINATION.

Reporter: IN THE LATE

'70s, SANDRA CLIFTON WAS

THE IN-DEMAND PSYCHIC IN

LOS ANGELES.

HER RADIO SHOW COVERED

SOUTHWEST MARKETS.

SHE WAS A TOP-RATED GUEST ON

A.M. LOS ANGELES, AND HER

BOOKS ATTRACTED A FAITHFUL

FOLLOWING.

THEY SAY IT DOESN'T

MATTER WHAT YOU THINK.

LET IN ANYTHING YOU WANT.

BE PRESENT IN THE MOMENT.

LET THE PRESENCE COME IN,

BUT THEY DON'T SAY WHO'S

PRESENCE.

I STARTED SEARCHING FOR

POWER, AND SOMETHING THAT

WOULD MAKE ME FEEL

WORTHWHILE AND WORTHY.

Reporter: SHE MET WITH

A PSYCHOLOGIST IN HOPES OF

FINDING DIRECTION.

AND I LOOKED OVER AT HIM,

AND HE DID NOT GIVE TWO

CENTS WHAT I WAS GIVING

HIM.

AND INSTEAD, HIS MIND SEEMS

TO BE ON -- AND THE WORD

CAME TO MIND, VIRGINIA.

AND I THOUGHT, VIRGINIA,

THAT'S HIS MISTRESS.

IT IS SOMETHING I KNEW.

Reporter: SHE SAID THIS

WAS THE FIRST TIME SHE WAS

ABLE TO READ SOMEONE'S

MIND.

THE PSYCHOLOGIST IMMEDIATELY

ENDED THE SESSION.

HE REFERRED SANDRA TO A

LOCAL UNIVERSITY CONDUCTING

RESEARCH ON PARANORMAL NON

PHENOMENON.

SHE HANDED ME AND SAID

READ THIS.

AND THAT'S A TERM FOR

PSYCHIC.

TELL ME WHO IS IN THAT

LETTER.

I TOOK IT AND I INSTANTLY

KNEW.

IT WAS VERY ADDICTED,

BECAUSE NOT ONLY WAS I

STAMPED AND APPROVED, BUT I

WAS NEEDED.

OKAY, LET'S PUT YOU TO WORK

ON SOME POLICE CASES, TO SEE

IF YOU CAN FIND MISSING

PERSONS.

Reporter: SANDRA BECAME

MORE IN TUNE WITH HER

PSYCHIC ABILITIES, YET ONE

NIGHT SANDRA HAD AN EERIE

FEELING AS SHE LOOKED OVER

THE FACES OF A SERIAL

KILLER'S VICTIMS.

I KNEW SOMEHOW DEEP

WITHIN ME, SOMETHING IS

WRONG HERE.

MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE DOING

THIS.

DURING THAT TIME, I KEPT

SEARCHING, WHO AM I?

WHAT'S GOING ON?

WHY AM I ON THIS EARTH?

IS IT JUST TO FIND DEAD

BODIES?

IS IT JUST TO BE TESTED IN A

LAB LIKE A RAT?

INTERPRETER SANDRA CLIFTON

JOINS YO US NOW VIA SKYPE

TO TELL US THE REST OF THE

STORY.

SANDRA, WELCOME TO "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

GOOD MORNING, TERRY.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

Terry: YOU SAID YOU

BEGAN TO DIG DEEPER INTO

DARK PLACES.

HOW?

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS

THAT YOU DID?

I WAS SO LOST AT THE

TIME -- I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS

THAT LOST -- AND I BEGAN

SEARCHING FOR POWER.

THAT'S WHEN I BEGAN TO

DESCENT INTO REALLY HELL.

I STARTED READING BOOKS ON

HOW TO BE POWERFUL THROUGH

THE POWER OF THE MIND.

I READ BOOKS THAT MADE YOU

FEEL GOOD, TO SEE IF YOU CAN

GET IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE'S

VIBES.

GOD WAS NOWHERE IN IT.

I HAD NO IDEA --

Terry: WHERE DID YOU

THINK THE POWER WAS COMING

FROM?

DID YOU THINK IT EMANATED

FROM YOU AS YOU GATHERED

INFORMATION?

WERE YOU A-WAY OF A DEMONIC

FORCE?

AT THE TIME, TERRY, I WAS

SO LOST I WAS JUST GRABBING

ANYTHING I COULD GET.

ANYTHING I COULD GET MY

HANDS ON TO MAKE ME FEEL

GOOD.

THAT WAS REALLY -- BEING

THAT NEEDY FOR POWER, POWER

AT ANY COST, GOD WAS NOWHERE

IN IT, AND I REALLY

DIDN'T -- IT DIDN'T EVEN

OCCUR TO ME TO TURN BACK TO

MY CHRISTIAN ROOTS.

AND THAT'S VERY SCARY.

Terry: IT MAKES YOU

REALIZE HOW FAR WE CAN WALK

AWAY.

OH, MY, YES.

Terry: YOU WERE

TEACHING ABOUT SOMETHING

CALLED MIND POWER AT A

CONFERENCE WHEN SOMETHING

HAPPENED TO YOU.

TELL US ABOUT IT?

YES.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS MAKING

SOME GOOD MONEY AT THE TIME,

AND I THOUGHT I HAD A

CALLING.

THERE IS THE COUNTERFEIT,

YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING GOOD,

BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA THAT

YOU'RE REALLY ON THE DARK

SIDE, CONTRIBUTING TO THE

EVIL.

AND I WENT TO A CONFERENCE,

ONE OF THE KEY NOTE

SPEAKERS, TO TEACH PEOPLE

HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE

POWERS OF THEIR MIND TO MAKE

THEIR MINDS BETTER.

SO I DELIVER MY PITCH, AND I

SAY TO THE GROUP OF ABOUT

2,000 MEN, DO YOU KNOW HOW

POWERFUL YOU ARE?

AND JUST THEN, TERRY, OUT OF

THE BLUE, UNANNOUNCED,

SURPRISING TO ME, A CONE OF

LIGHT CAME DOWN ALL AROUND

ME.

I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT ANY OTHER

WAY.

IT WAS A SENSATION OF A CONE

OF LIGHT.

AND IT WAS SO BRIGHT I COULD

NOT SEE ANYTHING, EXCEPT

THIS LIGHT.

AND THEN I HEARD A VOICE,

THROUGH THE CONE, FROM THE

TOP OF THE CONE, ALL AROUND

ME, AND WITHIN ME, WELLING

UP, AND THE VOICE I

RECOGNIZED, AND IT WAS THE

VOICE OF JESUS, FROM MY

CHILDHOOD.

THIS VOICE WAS SO LOUD IT

OVERTOOK EVERYTHING AND

SAID, SANDRA, DO YOU KNOW

HOW POWERFUL I AM?

AND IT WAS AT THAT MOMENT,

TERRY, WHEN I REALIZED THAT

I HAD COME FACE TO FACE IN

THIS MOMENT OF MY LOSTNESS

WITH THE RISEN CHRIST.

AND IT WAS AT THAT MOMENT

WHEN I REALIZED I WAS WAY

OFF BASE.

Terry: SANDRA, LOTS OF

TIMES -- YOU'VE MENTIONED A

COUPLE OF TIMES WANTING, AND

EVEN NEEDING, TO FIND

POWER.

LOTS OF TIMES THAT HAPPENS

WHEN WE FEEL LIKE LIFE IS

OUT OF CONTROL, AND LIFE

HASN'T GONE THE WAY WE

WANTED IT TO, AND SO PEOPLE

ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO PUT

SOME MEANING AND GRASP HOLD

OF SOMETHING THAT WILL

STICK.

YOU SAY PEOPLE CAN BE FOOLED

BY NEW-AGE STATEMENTS.

WHAT ARE SOME STATEMENTS

THAT WOULD BE NEW-AGE

STATEMENTS, AND WHAT SHOULD

PEOPLE WATCH OUT FOR WITH

THAT?

THAT'S A VERY GOOD

QUESTION, TERRY.

SO MANY TIMES YOU'LL HEAR

COMING FROM MEDIA, PEOPLE ON

THE STREETS, PEOPLE AT THE

WORKPLACE -- WHEREVER YOU

GO, YOU CAN'T ESCAPE IT --

SUCH THINGS AS YOU'RE YOUR

OWN GODDESS, AND YOU'RE YOUR

OWN GOD.

OFTENTIMES THEY MEAN YOU

DON'T NEED A SOVEREIGN,

ABSOLUTE GOD, BUT, RATHER,

THE POWER IS TOTALLY YOU.

THAT IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED

WITH A GOOD SELF-IMAGE,

GENERATING GOD'S POWER

WITHIN YOU.

THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE

THERE.

Terry: HOW DO YOU MOVE

FROM -- HERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE

NOT JUST EMERSED IN THIS AS

A SIDE INTEREST.

YOU'RE SPEAKING TO PEOPLE.

YOU'RE TEACHING.

HOW DID YOU MOVE FROM THAT

BACK INTO A PLACE OF FAITH?

IT ONLY -- IT REALLY,

TERRY, WAS A MOVE OF GOD.

BECAUSE I COULDN'T HAVE

GOTTEN OUT OF A PAPER BAG AT

THAT TIME.

I WAS SO LOST.

I DID NOT KNOW WHICH END WAS

UP.

I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY WELL,

WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST WALK

AWAY?

BUT IT'S LIKE A CULT,

C-U-L-T.

ONCE YOU'RE IN IT, YOU DON'T

KNOW YOU'RE IN IT, AND

YOU'RE LOST IN IT.

HOW DID I GET FROM "A" TO

"B," FROM DARKNESS TO GOD?

IT TOOK THAT MIRACLE OF

BEING ON THE STAGE BEFORE A

CROWD, AND BEING CONFRONTED

BY THE RISEN CHRIST SUPER

NATURALLY.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT

SPEECH, I LOST ALL

COMPOSITION.

IT WAS ALMOST LIKE ONE OF

THOSE CARTOONS.

THAT'S IT, FOLKS.

Terry: WHAT DID YOU DO?

I FINISHED AND STUMBLED

THROUGH MY SPEECH THE BEST I

COULD.

AND GOT OFF THE STAGE.

THERE WAS A ROUND OF

APPLAUSE, BUT I THINK THEY

WERE RELIEVED TO SEE ME GO,

WHO WAS THAT?

WHAT WAS SHE TRYING TO TELL

US.

BY THEN I DIDN'T CARE.

I KNEW I HAD ENCOUNTERED

JESUS CHRIST.

I KNEW I WAS GOING THE WRONG

WAY.

MY HUSBAND MET ME AT THE

BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS.

AND ON THE RIDE HOME, I SAID

TERRY, I CAN'T DO THIS

ANYMORE.

SOMETHING IS WRONG.

I FELT DIRTY UP THERE UNTIL

I FELT THAT CONE OF LIGHT,

AND SUDDENLY I FELT WASHED

CLEAN.

I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.

WE WERE ENCHURCHED AT THE

TIME, SO THERE WAS NO

EXPLANATION.

BUT THAT WEEKEND, IT WAS

INTERESTING BECAUSE OUR

LIVES CHANGED -- STARTED TO

CHANGE -- IT HAS BEEN A LONG

JOURNEY.

WE WERE SITTING ON THE COUCH

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT

HAPPENED.

HOW TO GET FROM OKAY, HIS IS

WRONG, AND NOW HOW DO I GET

ON TRACK, WHEN ON THE COUCH,

AS WE ARE SITTING THERE IN

OUR APARTMENT, THERE WAS A

WIND THAT BLEW THROUGH AS WE

STARTED TO JUST TURN TO

GOD.

GOD, HELP US.

WE WERE SO ENCHURCHED, WE

DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO

PRAY.

Terry: YOUR STORY AND

YOUR WORD TO ALL OF US TODAY

IS IN YOUR WRITING.

YOU'VE MOVED FROM TEACHING

AND WRITING WHAT WAS DARK TO

TEACHING AND WRITING TRUTH

AND LIGHT.

AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR

MORE OF SANDRA'S STORIES,

YOU CAN CHECK OUT HER BOOKS,

AND ONE IS CALLED "FROM NEW

AGE TO LIFE."

AND ONE IS CALLED "NEW-AGE,

LIES EXPOSED."

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING

WITH US.

IT IS AN HONOR.

THANK YOU, TERRY.

Terry: GORDON?

Gordon: COMING UP,

WE'LL BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS

FROM OUR CHATROOM.

SO DON'T GO AWAY.

Gordon: YESTERDAY ON

Facebook WE HAD A QUESTION

FROM ANDREA, "I RECENTLY

DISCOVERED MY FAMILY CAN BE

TRACED BACK TO THE SALEM

WITCH TRIALS.

DO YOU THINK THAT CAN STILL

AFFECT ME AND MY FAMILY?"

ANDREA, ONLY IF YOU LET IT.

REALIZE THE AUTHORITY YOU

HAVE AS A BELIEVER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JESUS

CAME TO DO WAS TO RELIEVE US

OF ALL OF THE CURSES FROM

PREVIOUS GENERATIONS.

NOW, WHEN YOU WANT TO LOOK

AT WHAT THOSE CURSES ARE,

YOU CAN FIND THEM IN

DEUTERONOMY, AND EXODUS,

WHERE GOD TALKS ABOUT

VISITING SINS, THE SINS OF

THE FATHERS ON THE SONS.

IT WILL GO TO THE THIRD AND

FOURTH GENERATION.

WELL, JESUS CAME TO BREAK

THE CURSE.

AND HE BECAME A CURSE FOR US

SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO LIVE

WITH THAT.

SO TAKE THE AUTHORITY THAT

YOU HAVE AND BREAK ANY

GENERATIONAL CURSES OVER

YOUR FAMILY LINE AND YOU

WILL WALK FREE.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

LET'S GO TO CRAIG FOR A CHAT

QUESTION.

GORDON, THE QUESTION HAS

COME IN HERE FROM ERIC.

"WHEN MY BROTHER AND I WERE

YOUNG, WE USED TO PLAY WITH

A OUIJA BOARD.

CAN THAT UNLOCK NEGATIVE

ENERGY AND CAUSE CURSES?"

Gordon: OUIJA BOARDS

SEEM TO BE ONE OF THE

OPENERS FOR THE OCCULT IN

AMERICA.

IT IS SORT OF DONE

INCIDENTALLY.

YOU HEAR ABOUT, WELL, WE

WERE ALL OVER AT A SLEEPOVER

AND SOMEBODY BROKE OUT A

OUIJA BOARD.

AND YOU'RE DABBLING IN

THINGS YOU REALLY DON'T

UNDERSTAND.

AND SOMETIMES THERE IS

SPECIFIC IN VOCATIONS FOR

SPIRITS TO COME AND GUIDE

THE W OUIJA DOOR.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IT IS

REALLY EASY TO SHUT THE

DOOR.

AND SO DO THAT.

I RENOUNCE ALL OF THE WORKS

OF THE DEVIL.

DO THAT AND YOU'LL BE FREE.

THAT'S ALL OF THE TIME WE

HAVE FOR TODAY'S SHOW.

TOMORROW WE'LL CONTINUE OUR

WEEK ON THE PARANORMAL AND

HEAR FROM A FAMILY WHO LIVED

IN A HAUNTED HOUSE.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO

Facebook.COM TO FIND OUT MORE.