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Faith Nation: September 27, 2021

TONIGHT: SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN; THE SENATE TAKES UP A HOUSE-PASSED BILL THAT COMBINES LIFTING THE DEBT CEILING WITH SHORT-TERM GOVERNMENT SPENDING. PLUS, INFRASTRUCTURE ROADBLOCK; PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS INSIST ON TACKING ANOTHER 3-POINT-5 TRILLION ... Read Transcript


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- [Jenna] Tonight, shut down show down.

- I will certainly be voting no.

- [Jenna] The Senate takesup a House passed bill

that combines lifting the debt ceiling

with short-term government spending.

- [John] Plus, infrastructure roadblock.

- We have to get to thatreconciliation bill first.

- [John] Progressive Democrats insist

on tagging another threeand a half trillion dollars

on top of the already agreed upon

bipartisan infrastructure bill.

- Never bring a bill to the floor

that doesn't have the votes.

- [Jenna] And roundingthe corner on COVID.

- [Scott] This might be thelast major wave of infection.

- [Jenna] All school-aged children

could soon be eligible for the vaccine.

- All this and moretonight on "Faith Nation."

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Democrats trying to pull offan ambitious political gambit.

Welcome to "FaithNation," I'm John Jessup.

- Good evening, I'm Jenna Browder.

It's a high stakes week on Capitol Hill

for President Biden's agenda.

Democrats desperate to uniteProgressives and moderates

within their party aroundtwo pieces of legislation.

The first a $3.5 trilliontax and spending package.

And the second, a $1trillion infrastructure plan.

- Lawmakers are also hopingto avert a government shutdown

later this week and toraise the debt ceiling

before the United States runsout of money to pay its bills.

For more on where things stand,

we now go to CBN News Capitol Hill

correspondent Abigail Robertson.

Abigail.

- That's right, John.

While many Republicans saythey would support a continuing

resolution that funds thegovernment through December,

they do not want to support one.

that includes that raiseto the debt ceiling.

They say if Democrats aren'tasking for their support

in bills like the $3.5trillion spending package,

for the budget reconciliation package,

they don't want to help themspend and borrow more money.

But regardless, an optimisticPresident Biden said

that he believes democraticleadership will find a way

to get all of this done this week.

- Well, it may not beby the end of the week.

I hope it's by the end of the week,

but as long as we're stillalive, we got three things to do.

The debt ceiling, continued resolution,

and the two pieces of legislation.

We do that, the country'sgonna be in great shape.

- Now, if the House and Senatedon't pass a spending bill

by September 30th, then we'll be headed

towards seeing parts ofthe government shut down.

- And Abby, just how critical is this week

to the president'slegislative agenda and legacy?

- Well, many would argueit is very critical.

But as you heard in thatclip from President Biden,

he kind of gave himself an out by saying

that it doesn't all actuallyhave to be done this week.

But if progressive andcentrist Democrats aren't able

to reach an agreementto get both the bills

they're working on in theHouse passed this week,

it's unclear when, ifever, they'll be able

to reach a compromise andget those bills passed.

So many would say it'sa very critical week

to getting President Biden'sagenda across the finish line.

- All right, Abigail Robertson for us

on Capitol Hill keepingan eye on everything

happening up there, thank you very much.

And now to the battle over abortion.

and a number of divisive cases set to go

before the US Supreme Court this term.

The most controversial may be the case

over a Mississippi abortion law

that could overturn Roe V. Wade.

- That case is set to beargued at the High Court

this December and follows aflurry of legislative efforts

by states to both restrict orimprove access to abortions.

In the wake of Texaseffectively banning abortions

after six weeks, new legislationin California helps kids

as young as 12 years old hideabortions from their parents.

California Governor Gavin Newsome signed

two abortion rights billslast week making it easier

for kids, teens, and young adults

who are still on theirparents' insurance plans

to keep their medical information secret.

Meanwhile, the Democrat controlled

House of Representativesmaking those to right abortion

into US law passed the Women'sHealthcare Protection Act

Friday by the slimmest ofmargins, just seven votes.

- And Speaker Nancy Pelosiprominently backing the bill,

which guarantees a woman'sright to end her pregnancy

as Congress and thestates send conflicting

signals over abortion.

The nine Supreme Court justices,

who could decide the fate of Roe V. Wade,

face a plummeting approvalrating and a presidential

commission studying themakeup of the marble palace.

And John, this is an issuethat has really both sides

fired up, both Republicans and Democrats,

and it's providing a lot offuel and ammo to both of them.

- That is right and a very consequential

Supreme Court term coming up.

- All right, with that,

I believe we have Congressman Chris Smith,

Republican from New Jersey.

Let's go ahead and bring him in.

Congressman, it's great to see you.

Thank you for joining us this evening.

I want to start with somenew polling out from Gallup.

It shows the US Supreme Court

with a historically lowapproval rating following

its decision to uphold the Texas law.

The poll found only 40%approve of the Court.

That's down nine points from July.

Does this give Democrats more leverage

in their effort to remake the Court?

- I would say absolutely not.

You know, the Court,like Congress sometimes

gets very low ratings.

I mean, we're probably at the bottom

of the ratings chart as House and Senate.

But you know, the protectionof unborn children

from the violence of abortion,whether it be decapitation,

dismemberment, chemical poisons,

we need a national debate onabortion like we've never had.

We have fought it on the issue of funding

and sadly, the abortionpresident, Joe Biden,

wants to fund abortion on demand.

And the new bill thatjust passed, as you know,

on Friday is right up until birth,

unfettered access to abortion

and all of the state lawslike Women's Right To Know,

parental consent, waiting periods,

even laws againstPain-Capable Unborn Children

to protect them, there'sseveral of those laws,

all of them would be eviscerated,

would be overturned overnight.

So this is the most extremecongressional bill ever.

- Congressman Smith,it's great to see you.

Along those same lines, whatabout the midterm elections?

That same Gallup pollfound an increasing number

of Americans see the Courtas quote "too conservative,"

maybe not to add to theargument of changing the makeup

of the Court, but couldthis maybe hurt Republicans

in their goal to retake majorities

in the 2022 midterm elections?

- Well, traditionally the party in power

of the White House havea hard time holding

onto the midterms.

We have many, many good candidates

who are running across the country.

We did far better thanwas predicted last time.

We were supposed tolose the number of seats

and we're up to 212 so weare within striking distance

and it is 50 to 50 overon the Senate side.

But I think people aregrowing increasingly fed up.

The Rasmussen poll, which inmy opinion is the best poll,

I follow it every single day,

I've been doing it since it began.

I remember when Bush was running,

the numbers that they'dcome up with typically

on the election are usually right on.

Well, they have Bidendown at 40%, positive,

which is really is at his lowest level.

Other polls comport with that.

But I think it's telling a story

that this extremismthat they have embraced,

whether it be the border, theexodus out of Afghanistan,

which makes us lesssafe, even Leon Panetta,

Obama's former CIA anddefense secretary said

that we're at greater risk now

because of that botched exodus.

And we left Americansbehind and that to me is one

of the most unconscionable things.

I've been in Congress 41 years,

I never, ever, ever thoughta president would leave

Americans behind in a wararea, in a contested area.

And he did, and it was by design.

So that is troubling beyond words.

And I think the American people,

I was out in my district over the weekend,

again, like I alwaysam, and the feedback is

they're fed up with the extremism

on the part of this administration

and Congress is going right along with it.

Can you imagine $3.5 trillion for what?

We're tinkering on bankruptcy.

We don't have that kind of money

and the tax increases willdepress economic growth,

will lead to job lossesthroughout the country

in my state and elsewhere.

So there's very serious issues

that they are embracing with a bear hug.

And it really is Bernie Sanders.

This is his budget that we're voting on

and I will be voting noon that 3.5 trillion.

- All right, CongressmanChris Smith of New Jersey.

It's a big week for all of you up there.

It's go time for sure.

We appreciate you taking thetime with us this evening.

Thank you.

- Thank you so much for having me on.

- Well, if "Faith Nation"is on your regular playlist,

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- To the Southern bordertonight and that makeshift camp

under the bridge in Del Rio, Texas.

Tonight it sits empty.

Thousands of migrants nowdeported back to Haiti

or moved to other facilities.

More than 17,000 migrants remain in the US

awaiting court dates to plead asylum.

Today at the White House,

Department of Homeland Security Secretary

Alejandro Mayorkas addressed images

of border agents on horseback that seemed

to show the rough treatment of migrants.

- The investigation into what

occurred has not yet concluded.

We know that thoseimages painfully conjured

up the worst elements ofour nation's ongoing battle

against systemic racism.

- And here with us now for more is CBN

chief political analyst David Brody

and Nathan Gonzalez,

editor and publisher of Inside Elections.

Gentlemen, welcome to you both.

Let's just start with whereSecretary Mayorkas left off.

The Biden administration hasbeen taking a lot of heat

from both the right and on the left

for the images coming out of Del Rio,

including that video of agents

on horseback chasing down migrants.

Nathan, is the backlash warranted?

And I guess even more specifically,

how are we seeing this playout when it comes to the polls?

- Yeah, well, if there wasn't anything,

if they weren't doing anything wrong

or everything was copacetic,

then it would have just continued on.

But clearly, based onthe camp being closed

and there not being migrants there,

that there was a change of course.

And I don't believe thatthere are accidents.

Politically, I think thissituation is a good example

of how images can be very powerful

and it can envelop thenews for a very short time.

And though now, becausethe camp is closed,

I think it's going to fadefrom the public spotlight.

But we're going to have dozens more

of these types of events, notnecessarily at the border,

but these type of newsevents with powerful images

that are gonna capture our attention,

things are gonna shift,

and then we're gonna moveon to the next event.

- Yeah, the news cyclecertainly does move quickly.

David, the Biden administrationhas been reverting back

to Trump era rules to deport migrants

amid the COVID pandemic.

Your thoughts on thisand if it's an indication

that maybe the Trump administrationwas on the right track

to fixing the immigration problem.

- Well, this has always beena very difficult situation

for the Biden administration.

They realize that they havea PR problem at the border.

At the same time, they'vebeen talking about,

in essence, kind of an openborders policy to a degree.

But Kamala Harris goes to Guatemala

and other places and says don't come.

So there's been a mixed messages problem

for the Biden administration.

But as it relates to Trump era policies,

let's remember, the Bidenadministration stopped funding

or stopped building the border wall

early on in his administration.

And then also theywanted to stop the remain

in Mexico policy.

Of course, we know a court overturn that,

and it's a long story,

but the bottom line is they'resupposed to start it again,

not because the Bidenadministration wants to.

So this has been a whole kind of a mixed

kit and caboodle for theBiden administration.

And what it's led to isjust a lot of confusion

and a lot of problemsat the border for sure.

- David, while we have you here,

there's the impending government shutdown.

Democrats are trying to tiea short-term spending bill

to a long-term debt ceiling extension.

If they fail and thegovernment does shut down,

who's to blame?

Let's maybe both of you weighin, starting with David.

- Yeah, Nathan, I'd be curiousto get your take on this.

They're not gonna shutthe government down.

They'll do a CR, continuing resolution.

The Democrats know thatthey hold the House,

the Senate, and the White House,

so politically this will go on them.

There'll be blamed for it no matter

what the inner politics here are of it.

It's not the first continuingresolution we've seen.

That's what they do inWashington, CR, CR, CR.

So they'll do it again.

I can't imagine the governmentwill be shut down over this.

But I'd be curious to getNathan's take on that for sure.

- I'm a little bit more pessimistic

in terms of I think it's possible

there's a short term government shut down.

And when I'm talking short,

I'm talking about a couple of days

because we've gone pastthis deadline before.

Over the last couple of years,

we've had these very short shutdowns.

And I agree that becauseDemocrats are in power,

it's more likely that they're blamed.

But we've been throughgovernment shutdowns

when Democrats were in controlI think going back to 2013

and Republicans endedup kind of shouldering

more of that blame on the short term.

So I want to be optimistic, but there is,

I think, actually havingthe government shutdown

might inspire more movement

than what we're seeing right now.

- Nathan, another seeminglyself-imposed roadblock

on The Hill right now is this

bipartisan infrastructure bill.

Democrats want to tie that in

with a $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill.

How likely do you see this moving forward?

Democrats seem very divided at this point

and many have said they'refrustrated with the president

that he's not doing moreto push this forward.

- Yeah, well clearly,

if Democrats were all on the same page,

we wouldn't be having thisconversation and they're divided.

And ultimately, what Democrats can agree

on are not the particulars of the bill

or the dollar amount on the bill,

but that if Democrats don't pass something

and have something totake to voters in 2022,

then the whole party'sprobably going to suffer.

And so that has to be the unifying point

and they have to come, bothProgressives and Liberals

and the more moderateDemocrats have to realize

that they need each other.

The reason why they havethe majority is because

they have different peoplefrom different parts

of the ideological spectrum and they each

need different thingswhen they face voters.

- David, a little bit ofa media question here.

The president didn'ttake any formal questions

again today after gettinghis shot only responding

to some shouted questionsfrom the press pool.

Your take here.

Is the press pool and theWhite House press Corps

getting frustrated by the apparent lack

of access to President Biden?

- Well, they're always frustrated,

the press always wants more access

and sure, they're frustrated.

And let's be honest,

as much as they couldn'tstand President Trump,

he gave them full throttle access.

He had the most access of anypresident in recent memory.

I can't remember anyonethat gave him more access

and he was opening upwhat they call pool sprays

in Washington that arenormally five to seven minutes

up to 20, 30, 40 minutes.

Now of course, he was doing that

to make a point politically.

He wanted the informationto get out there.

So yeah, compared to Trump,

that they've got to be frustrated.

But let's remember, JoeBiden, this just in,

and these are his words, notmine, he's a gaff machine.

Once again, don't blameme, I didn't say it.

He called himself that.

And so clearly, he'sgonna be more protected.

- All right, David and Nathan,

we have to leave itthere for this evening.

Thank you both.

- You bet.- Thank you.

- [Jenna] And when we come back,

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- Welcome back.

President Biden is getting a boost,

but not necessarily in the polls.

Mr. Biden received thePfizer vaccine booster today.

At 78, he belongs to agroup of Americans eligible

for the shot, including people over 65,

adults with underlying health conditions

like diabetes or obesity,

and professionals like healthcare workers

and teachers who are at anincreased risk due to their jobs.

- Boosters are important.

But the most important thing we need

to do is get more people vaccinated.

The vast majority of Americansare doing the right thing.

- Well, could the end ofthe pandemic be in sight?

Former FDA commissioner ScottGottlieb believes it is.

- Medical reporter LorieJohnson has more on that.

and his thoughts about the next pandemic.

- About half of all US children ages 12

and older have beenvaccinated against COVID-19.

Currently, the shots are notavailable for younger kids,

but that's likely to change.

Former FDA commissioner ScottGottlieb believes children

five to 11 could be offered their shots

between Halloween and Thanksgiving.

- Now the vaccine for kids aged five

to 11 is basically the same formulation

as a current vaccine,just in a lower dose.

- [Lorie] An even lowerdose will likely be offered

to children ages sixmonths to four early year.

When it comes to adults,

Gottlieb says businessesshould decide whether

to require workers to get thejab adding President Biden's

vaccine mandate may notsurvive legal challenges.

- A lot of businesses thatwere considering mandates,

now might wait because they're gonna wait

to see what the federal government does

and it's gonna take thefederal government months

to implement this mandateif they're ever able to.

And so you might've actuallyslowed down the rate

of decision making inthe private community.

- [Lorie] He saysbusinesses could consider

natural immunity in lieu of vaccines.

- I think we need to recognize that people

who have immunity that'sacquired through infection,

that immunity is durableand it appears quite robust.

I think the question from a clinical

standpoint is how long it's gonna last.

- [Lorie] When it comes to the pandemic,

Dr. Gottlieb has reasonto believe the infamous

Delta surge will be the last one.

Then COVID-19 in the US wouldtransition to an endemic

where the virus becomes aseasonal pattern like the flu.

- I think that this might be the last

major wave of infection.

The idea that this is gonnacontinue to mutate very quickly

and all these mutationsare gonna evade our tools

and this is sort of gonnabe an endless crisis,

I just don't see that.

- [Lorie] However, he saysthe US must take action

to stop the next pandemic,perhaps the bird flu,

which could be right around the corner.

- And I think that there are things

we can do to prevent this kind of episode

from ever happening again.

- [Lorie] In his new book"Uncontrolled Spread,"

Dr. Gottlieb recommends fixing mistakes,

such as not being able to quickly deploy

large scale diagnostic testing,

which could have identifiedasymptomatic cases.

- You'd see a situationwhere 30 people would be

in a room, everyone would be fine,

and then 25 people would get the infection

and so the assumption was itmust've been a contaminated

surface that 25 peoplecame in contact with.

But what actually washappening was there was someone

who was asymptomatic in that setting

who infected the other people.

- [Lorie] The CDC, whichusually takes months

to collect, analyze, anddisseminate information,

found itself ill prepared

when it came to the need for speed.

- And then when theyissued guidance to try

to advise us on how weshould be taking steps

to reduce our individual risk

and how businesses should be taking steps

to reduce their risk,

the guidances oftenweren't very well-informed.

They weren't articulated in a way

that they could beactionable by consumers.

- [Lorie] Then came the inability

to manufacture firstline of defense drugs,

such as antibody treatments.

- We really didn't have theadequate manufacturing capacity

we needed to be able to prepare those

at the scale that was required.

And even now we haveshortages of those drugs,

they're starting to be rationed again.

- [Lorie] And finally, theUS trusted other countries

to admit the emergence of newdiseases within their borders.

- And we've seen time andagain, in a time of crisis,

countries don't share information

and we've been fooled many times.

- [Lorie] Dr. Gottlieb saysUS intelligence agencies

like the CIA and the NSAshould expand their missions

to include surveillance ofsuspicious foreign outbreaks.

Lorie Johnson, CBN News.

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- Finally tonight, a big American victory

in men's professional golf.

Dominating 19-9 win overEurope this weekend,

the US Men's Golf teamreclaiming the Ryder Cup trophy

for the first time since 2016.

- Now the United States onlyneeded three and a half points

on Sunday to secure the cup,

but they captured eightof a possible 12 points

to trounce Europe.

The United States teamcaptain described his youthful

cohorts as part of a new era of golf

with a roster that includedeight players under 30

and six who were makingthe Ryder Cup debut.

The youngest in thegroup, Collin Morikawa,

went undefeated and secured the half point

that sealed the team'svictory Sunday afternoon

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Jenna, you watched thisgame over the weekend.

- I did, so my husband,he's a big golf fan

and he's gotten me into watching it.

And what's neat about this is that it's,

you know, golf is such an individual sport

and this is when they reallyall come together on a team.

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that you don't normally see.

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