- [Jenna] Tonight, crisis on the border.

- I've never seen nothing likewhat I saw in Del Rio, Texas.

It was very disturbing.

- [Jenna] Mass deportationsto Haiti continue,

even as thousands of migrants crowd

under an international bridge.

This as former PresidentTrump calls in to CBN News.

(phone line rings)Plus...

- This is about freedom.

- [Jenna] A bill fromDemocrats in the House

to codify abortion into law.

And Afghanistan's Pakistan problem.

- Is it time for the United States

to reassess itsrelationship with Pakistan?

- [Jenna] Examining the country's role

in funding terror and the Taliban.

All this and more,tonight on "Faith Nation."

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- The United States Housevotes to protect abortion.

Welcome to "FaithNation." I'm John Jessup.

- Good evening. I'm Jenna Browder.

Tonight, the House of Representatives

making moves to writeabortion into U.S. law.

- By a margin of just seven votes,

the Women's Health Care Protection Act

passed in the Democratic-controlled House.

Speaker Nancy Pelosiprominently backed the bill,

which guarantees a woman'sright to end her pregnancy.

(air whooshes)

- This is about freedom.

About freedom of women to have choice

about the size andtiming of their families.

Not the business of people on the court

or members of Congress, about themselves.

But it's also about freedomfrom the danger of vigilantes.

- She's referring there to a Texas law

allowed to take effectby the Supreme Court

earlier this month.

It essentially hashalted most all abortions

in the Lone Star State.

- In December, Supreme Court justices

will hear an argument in aseparate case from Mississippi

with implications on thefuture of Roe v. Wade.

Pelosi, who is Catholicand a mother of five,

pushed back against thearchbishop of San Francisco,

who described the measureas child sacrifice,

Pelosi calling it adisagreement of perspective.

- For us, it was a completeand total blessing,

which we enjoy every day of our lives,

but it's none of ourbusiness how other people

choose the size andtiming of their families.

- And it first it has to pass the Senate,

but President Biden says he will sign

the Women's Health Protection Act

if it makes it all the way to his desk.

In an exclusive interview with CBN News,

former President DonaldTrump told our David Brody

that Biden is out of touchwith America's faithful.

- [Donald] If you look at his policies

and if you look whathe's doing to religion

and organized religion, ifyou look at what's going on,

I don't know how the Catholic Church

can be supportive of him.

Now I got, I guess, 50% or52% of the Catholic vote,

and I was very disappointed by that.

I said, "There's no way."

Evangelicals, great, but theygot it. They really got it.

But you know, theCatholics are very angry,

very, very angry at him.

(air whooshes)

- And we'll have more fromDavid Brody's interview

with the former presidentlater in the show.

But first we're joinedby Julia Manchester,

political reporter with The Hill.

Julia, welcome. Happy Friday.

So I know you've beenfollowing this national battle

over abortion pretty closely.

How do you think this legislation

from House Democrats willfare over in the Senate?

We know Maine moderate RepublicanSusan Collins is opposed.

- Right, right.

Yeah, I mean, I thinkit's going to be difficult

in the Senate right now,because it's so evenly split,

and I think a lot ofsenators up for re-election

will likely have to answerfor this at some point.

So it's hard to say.

However, I can say that forDemocrats in particular,

this is a pretty good issuefor them to campaign on.

Democrats have hadsuccess with campaigning

on the pro-choice orabortion-rights wing of the party.

This is a very much agalvanizing base issue for them,

so you're seeing themreally honing in on this.

For Republicans, though, I wouldn't say

it's as strong of an issue.

Sure, there's the pro-lifewing of the party,

but I don't think it's as bigas that abortion-rights wing

of the Democratic Party to really make

a sizable difference in the midterms.

- Julia, we should mention you're out

with a new article called"Texas abortion law

creates 2022 headache for the GOP."

A great read, by the way.

Julia, some Republicans who are pro-life

feel like the Texas lawcould actually backfire

on the pro-life movement, asyou noted in your article.

Can you talk to us aboutwhat you found out?

- Right, so a lot ofRepublicans are trying

to back away from this law,and even pro-life Republicans

are starting to back away from this law.

You know, there's a number of them who say

it's too extreme and goes too far.

It's too much of the government

getting involved in a very private matter.

There's a lot who havean issue with allowing

private citizens to suethose who are assisting

or providing abortion, soyou have that component.

But overall, I think a lot of Republicans

don't want to talk about this,

because they know that this is an issue

that galvanizes Democrats.

Republicans say they would rather talk

about the economy, risingprices, rising inflation,

the situation in Afghanistan,the situation at the border.

These are strong issuesthat have been successful

for Republicans, andthey'd rather not give away

an issue to Democrats that'sonly going to rally their base.

- So Julia, how do theyfight back against that

if they don't want to talk about this?

Yet you have at least a dozen other states

that are looking at theTexas law as a template

or as a model for their own states?

- They're walking a very, very fine line.

I think you have some Republicans,

like Florida Governor Ron DeSantis,

who initially seemed verycurious about the Texas law,

backing away from this saying, look,

he's in favor ofanti-abortion legislation,

but he doesn't wanna pit private citizens

against each other.

For example, a number of party committees,

whether it's the RNC, the NRCC, the NRSC,

a lot of them don't typicallywant to talk about this

on the record, so that's also an issue.

But there's also some Republicans

who are fully embracing it.

Nevada Senate candidateDean Heller, for example,

someone who at one point was more liberal

on this issue, seems to really be going

all=in on the Texas law.

J.D. Vance of Ohio also doing the same.

- All right, JuliaManchester with The Hill.

We always appreciateyou making time for us.

Have a great weekend, Julia.

- Thank you, you too.

- And now to more of David's interview

with the former president.

Mass deportation flights have sent

nearly 2,000 migrants back to Haiti.

The Department ofHomeland Security now says

there are no more migrantsunderneath that bridge

on the U.S.-Mexicoborder in Del Rio, Texas.

The announcement comingafter DHS suspended

the use of horse patrols amid accusations

of rough treatment of migrants

by border agents on horseback.

former President Trump telling CBN News

he does not believe thecrisis is intentional.

- [Donald] Well, I find it hardto believe it's intentional.

There are a lot of people saying it is.

But when you look atwhat's happening there,

they have to hate our countryto allow that to happen.

All he had to do, as Isay, "Go to the beach.

Just relax, Joe. Go to the beach."

We had it the best ever inthe history of that border,

the southern border, and now,it's the worst in history,

and it's probably the worstborder anywhere in the world-

- Why?- If you think of it,

because no border has everbeen like what's happening

at our border.

- Right.

- [Donald] It's destructionfrom inside of our country.

- And from the border topossible legal troubles

for Trump's inner circle, somemembers now under subpoena.

The congressional panel investigating

the January 6th attack on the Capitol

focusing in on Trump'smost recent chief of staff,

Mark Meadows, White Houseadvisor Steve Bannon,

and two others.

They have until October 7thto produce relevant documents.

Depositions begin the following week.

Today, Trump told CBNNews it's a "witch hunt."

- [Donald] It's adisgrace what's going on.

This is just anothercontinuation of, really,

you'd call it the greatestwitch hunt in history.

- You gonna sue-

- [Donald] And a disgrace.

- Will you look at suing them in court?

Are you thinking about it?

- [Donald] I'll do whatever is necessary.

(air whooshes)

- And David is here with us with more now.

David, let's start off here.

First, the results of themonthslong GOP audit in Arizona

confirmed the evidenceof no widespread fraud.

Instead, it found more votes for Joe Biden

and fewer for Donald Trump.

Still, Texas just announced that it will

audit four Lone Star State counties,

caving to pressure fromthe former president.

David, rather than this ending,

it looks like the effortis just picking up steam.

- Yeah, it really is, John.

And he actually addressed the Texas issue,

if you will, in the interview.

He said the Texas law on the books

in terms of voting reform is much stronger

than the one in Georgia.

And when I asked him aboutthat Maricopa, Arizona,

audit coming out, as we know just now,

I mean, when I say now, latertoday and this afternoon

into this evening, we'll allbe reading over 100 pages

of exactly what's in there.

The draft report suggests,as you said in the intro,

that there was no fraud.

However, in the middle of the report,

apparently it says thewords "it was inconclusive."

The report comes to the conclusionthat it was inconclusive.

So what does that mean exactly?

So Donald Trump, when Iasked him that specifically,

I said, "Are you goingto accept these results

if it all comes back fine?"

He said, "No, I'm not," andso we'll see how that works.

- Yeah. David, you askedthe former president

about his intentions onrunning again in 2024.

I think we have thatsound, if we can roll that.

- [Donald] I guess a bad callfrom a doctor or something,

right?(David chortles)

You know, you get that call and say,

"Hey sir, how you doing?

Come on down here and see us,because we got a bad report,"

right?- Right.

- [Donald] But I will say that, you know,

that happens with people.

- David, so it sounds like he'sleaving it up to his doctor.

What happened with that?- Well, yeah,

so let me explain.

The context of that's very important.

I asked specifically the question a way

that no one else has asked the question,

which is, "What wouldmake you not run in 2024?"

And then he said, "You know, I don't know.

I guess a bad call from mydoctor would make me not run?"

Well, look, I mean, I'm notthe smartest guy in the room,

but it doesn't take a rocketscientist to figure out

that if that's the onlyreason that he would not run,

that suggests that unless he gets

that bad call from thedoctor, he's in in 2024.

I thought that made significant news,

and it will continue tomake significant news

here at CBN News and across the country.

- David, I know that you said you had

about 20 minutes withthe former president,

but what were some of theother highlights today

from your interview withformer President Donald Trump?

- Well, you played a couple of them.

Obviously the Catholiccomments were interesting,

that he doesn't understandhow any Catholic

would support this president.

But I did ask him aboutAnthony Fauci, and I said,

"In retrospect, do youregret not firing him?"

And I was curious to get his take on that.

And you know, he said, "Look,I was in a tough situation.

If I fired him, I wouldhave been criticized.

If I didn't fire him, Iwould've been criticized."

So he just felt he did theright thing at the time,

and then he went on to say,

"But I did everything against Fauci.

I did everything opposite of Fauci."

So, you know, he counts that as something

that he was proud of, but he felt like

he made the right move, eventhough he didn't fire Fauci.

So I thought that was interesting.

There's a lot more to the interview.

We're definitely gonnahave it on "The 700 Club,"

all of it, on Monday.

- Okay, well, we willlook forward to that.

David Brody, thank you so much.

Great interview.

- Thanks.

- Well, starting today, alarge swath of Americans

are eligible for a COVID booster shot.

They include seniors older than 65,

anyone over the age of18 who has an underlying

health condition, and front-line workers.

Right now, though, this only applies

to those who are six months or more out

from receiving the Pfizer vaccine.

- As CDC director, it'smy job to recognize

where actions can havethe greatest impact.

In a pandemic, we most often take steps

with the intention todo the greatest good,

even in an uncertain environment.

And that is what I'm doingwith these recommendations.

- [Jenna] This is a step CDCDirector Rochelle Walensky says

will help in the battle against COVID-19,

but she stresses the most important focus

remains getting people vaccinated.

President Biden says he will be getting

his booster shot, and encourages others

who meet the requirements to do the same.

- [John] Coming up, why theTaliban takeover of Afghanistan

is putting Pakistan under the microscope,

and why some say it's time to reassess.

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- Welcome back.

Terrorism experts are drawingattention to Pakistan,

a country that has, formore than two decades,

received billions of dollarsin military and financial aid

from the United Statesin exchange for help

in battling terrorism and radical Islam.

But the Taliban takeoverof Afghanistan last month,

critics say, show howunreliable Pakistan has been

as a partner in that war,and now some are calling

for the U.S. to take a closerlook at its relationship

and the role Pakistan continuesto play in that region.

(air whooshes)Well, here now,

Clifford May, founder and president

of Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

Cliff, welcome to "Faith Nation" tonight.

You wrote an op-ed thisweek in The Washington Times

called "Time for the UnitedStates to unfriend Pakistan."

You lay blame for the messywithdrawal on President Biden,

but you also say Pakistan's leaders

are part of the problem as well.

Cliff, what role did Pakistan play?

- Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

President Biden sits in the Oval Office.

The buck stops at his desk.

This was a humiliating surrender

to the Taliban and its ally al-Qaeda,

and it was done in theworst way one can imagine.

But Pakistan's rolecontributed to the failure

of U.S. policy over the past 20 years.

And I take no pleasure in saying that.

I first went to Pakistan 38 years ago.

There was much that Iliked about the country

and about the people,they were hospitable.

But over time, it has been Islamicized

increasingly, and withinthe ruling elites,

there are quite a number ofpeople who have been sympathetic

to jihadism in various forms.

Really, among the things we know

is that the Taliban wasessentially created,

founded, trained in the 1990s by elements

within the Pakistani military

and intelligence establishment,

and even after the U.S.intervention in 2001,

they continued to support that.

And there are those in the military,

Elliot Ackerman, a verygood author, novelist,

nonfiction writer, who servedas a Marine in Afghanistan,

he says if the Taliban's leadership

could not retreat acrossthe border when it needed to

into Pakistan and nobody would get refuge,

particularly in thewintertime, when they didn't

have a fighting season, ifthe border had been closed

to the Taliban, if Pakistanhad not supported it

in various ways, theTaliban would have collapsed

instead of doing what it has done,

which is to simply soldier on in the hope,

and frankly, theexpectation that eventually

the Americans wouldjust get tired and quit,

they would walk away, andthe Taliban would be restored

to where it was 20 yearsago, at the time of 9/11,

and it would be able toreestablish an Islamic state,

the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan,

which is what's in theprocess of happening

right at this moment.

- Cliff, Pakistan is a majornon-NATO ally to the U.S.

In your view, why is it time for the U.S.

to reassess that relationship?

- Among other things, because in addition

to supporting the Taliban,Pakistan is very close

with China, and we have come to recognize,

I think in the last administration,

but I think even thecurrent administration,

that China is not evolvinginto a partner with us

or a stakeholder in theinternational system.

It is a challenge and threat to us.

Pakistan's military, which is a very large

and powerful military, and is equipped

with nuclear weapons, unfortunately,

is very closely linked tothe People's Liberation Army.

That's a bad thing as well.

So for a non-NATO allyto be in that position,

that's very problematicin all sorts of ways.

We also know that Pakistan,their intelligence

have been in close touch withthe Taliban since we've left,

and they've been in Tehran, where we have

another sworn enemy of theUnited States and Israel.

So they're close with a lot of people

who are not close withus, and so we do need

to reconsider thisrelationship at this point.

I'm sorry to say that, butwe've gotta be realistic.

- All right, Cliff May,founder and president of FDD.

It's great to see youthis Friday. Thank you.

- Thank you.

(air whooshes)

- [Jenna] And when we comeback, why the persecution

of Christians around theworld is often ignored,

until tonight, on the National Mall.

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Tonight, a march onWashington, raising awareness

of persecuted Christians across the globe.

March for the Martyrs kicks off tonight

on the National Mallto stand in solidarity

with the suffering faithful worldwide.

For the Martyrs is a nonprofit,nonpartisan organization

seeking to raise awareness, advocating

for religious freedom, and providing aid

to suffering Christians around the world.

(air whooshes)- And here with us now

is Gia Chacon with the March for Martyrs.

Gia, welcome to "Faith Nation."

Gia, I know that youall kicked off the march

last year in Long Beach.

This is the second go.

So Gia, in what ways is this year's event

perhaps more timelyand more consequential,

given what's happening in Afghanistan

and other global hotspots?

- Well, in 2020 alone,we saw a 30% increase

in Christian persecution,according to Open Doors USA

World Watch List, and a 60% increase

in the number of Christianskilled for their faith.

We've seen Christian persecution

skyrocket just in the last year,

and even recently, what'shappening in Afghanistan,

where the number of Christiansis just a small minority

in the country, andthey will now be facing

an increase of persecution and violence

because of their faith in the country.

- Gia, tell us about the peoplewho are joining the march.

Does it bring togethera diverse cross-section

of the body of Christ?

- It absolutely does.

One of the goals of theMarch for the Martyrs,

in addition to raising awareness

about the crisis of Christian persecution

and advocating for religious freedom,

is to unify the body ofChrist around this issue.

So last year we had hundreds of Christians

across all denominations come together,

and we're expecting the samein Washington, D.C., tonight.

- You say the issue islargely ignored by the media,

overlooked in faith communities.

What, in your view, what do you suggest

needs to be done to keepthe persecuted church

at the forefront of mindsof fellow believers?

- Well, in order for the bodyof Christ and for the public

to care about the crisisof Christian persecution,

they have to know what's happening.

So that's why we're on a mission

to bring attention to this crisis

and wake up the churchin the United States

to know that they're not in any way

separated from our brothers and sisters

who are suffering in those nations,

but that we have anobligation, as Christians

here in the United States,to use our platform

and our freedom toadvocate on their behalf.

And when the church inthe United States rises up

as a voice for the persecutedand advocates for them,

we'll see more attentionbrought to this issue.

- Gia, this is such an important issue,

and we appreciate that you're raising it.

I think maybe some of ourviewers would like to know,

how did this become sucha central issue for you?

Why are you so passionateabout persecuted Christians?

- In 2017, I began travelingwith my grandmother's

nonprofit organization.

She founded a nonprofit that focuses

on international crisis relief.

So one of the first trips that I went on

when I began workingwith her was to Egypt,

and we were doing work withthe persecuted church there.

And it was really inEgypt, for the first time

in my adult life, that I realized

that it wasn't just a thing of the past

that Christians were persecuted,

but that today, and in a very real way,

Christians are laying downtheir life for Christ.

So being surrounded by thefaith of the persecuted in Egypt

laid a burden on myheart for the persecuted.

And through the years,having the opportunity

to continue to travel with mygrandmother's organization,

we did work with the Iraqiand Syrian refugees in Jordan,

and being able to sitdown with the refugees,

hear their stories andwhat they were suffering

for their faith, I knewthat we had to do more

as the body of Christ in the United States

for the persecutedchurch around the world.

- All right, Gia Chaconwith For the Martyrs.

Thank you for being with us this evening,

and all the best on the march.

Thanks, Gia.- Thank you.

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- [John] Coming up, anemotional homecoming

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