Gordon Robertson talks with Senior International Correspondent George Thomas about the current situation for Christians in Hong Kong
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- China has imposed asweeping new security law
tightening its grip on Hong Kong.
Christians, politicians,pro-democracy activists
have all been arrested.
Scores are fleeing the city,others are hiding underground.
- So how is the Churchin Hong Kong responding
to this persecution?
Well, George Thomas brings us the story.
- As Hongkongers see it isa totally different place
than it was two years ago.
- [George] Pastor ButchTanner moved here from Texas
in 2017 to lead KowloonInternational Baptist Church.
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Then in June, 2019,antigovernment protests erupted
over a controversial extradition law
plunging the city into monthsof chaos and bloodshed.
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- [George] Tanner's churchbecame a place for healing.
- We would have actually police officers,
plus we would haveprotestors that would gather
in our building and praytogether and sing together.
- The protests have since died down,
but fear now looms over the city's future
as China's grip on Hong Kong tightens,
six months after imposing a sweeping
new national security law.
- We have a lot of fear inHong Kong among the people.
There's a lot of fear
that things are not going tosettle down or be anywhere near
the normal that they used to be.
- [George] And thatfear is being realized.
On January 6th, more than1000 Hong Kong police officers
raided 73 differentlocations across the city
arresting 53 politicians,pro democracy leaders,
human rights activists and others.
Lam Cheuk Ting was one ofthe lawmakers arrested.
He captured the momentpolice barged into his home.
- [Translator] You aresuspected the violating
the national security law,subverting state power.
- [George] Chris Patten,Hong Kong's last governor
says what's happening inthe city is nothing short
of China's brutal destructionof a free society.
- And this is a further turningof the screw in Hong Kong,
A further attempt to destroythe freedoms of a city
which has thrived under the rule of law.
- Also arrested JohnClancey an American priest
turned lawyer, who nowfaces prison for challenging
China's authoritarian rule over the city.
Authorities have also routed up Christians
including Joshua Wong, aprominent activist seen
in this picture enteringprison in early December.
Later that month two Catholicnuns were also arrested.
- If they think they canactually look up the idea
of freedom and democracy forever,
they're kidding themselves.
The truth is they're absolutely terrified
of what liberal democracies stand for.
- Reports estimate morethan 300,000 Hongkongers
are planning to flee thecity in coming months.
Several pastors have alreadyleft the city by the way,
and others have gone underground
as the wave of persecution grows, Gordon.
- George, I remember Hong Kong,
it was one of my favoritecities when I lived in Asia.
The atmosphere was absolutely vibrant.
What's the atmosphere there now?
- Yeah, Gordon, it has changeddramatically, you know.
Put into context for your viewers.
In 1997, when the Britsagreed to hand China
back to Hong Kong, theymade a 50-year agreement,
that in 1997 they would handHong Kong back to China,
and up until 2047 Hong Kong would be this,
you know this very well, this one country,
two systems of governance,
and that was working very well.
It has been and has beenthriving, commerce, economy
and all kinds of tradeand so forth, political
and so forth has flourished in that city.
But then two years ago when China said
that it was going to pass thiscontroversial extradition law
that basically said thatanybody who commits a crime
in Hong Kong for whateverreason will have to go
to mainland China to stand trial.
Well you can imagine Hongkongers said,
"No way, your system ofjurisprudence on the mainland
"is abysmal and we don'ttrust the court system,"
and that led to the massive protest.
And today what we have seen, you know,
Hongkongers who thoughtthat they had till 2047
to enjoy this one countrytwo systems of governance
got a rude awakening two years ago.
And at the beginningof about six months ago
they passed the sweeping new security law
that basically makes Hong Kong officially
like any other city in China today.
Which has sent, you know,
it's been a politicalearthquake across the city.
- Well, I think the wholeworld is getting a taste
of what Orwellian culture can be.
And specifically a surveillance culture
where they're now pushingto even have cameras
in all classrooms.
What can you tell us about that?
- It's similar pattern that you're seeing
in the last 10, 15 years in China.
China has really found a wayto use artificial intelligence
to be able to prettymuch blanket the entire,
their own country, theentire country of China
with facial recognition,software and cameras
all around the place.
You've seen them as you'vegone to China over the years,
and the same thing'shappening in Hong Kong.
They wanna put these cameras
in schools to monitor whatteachers are saying, Gordon,
so that if they, you know,if there's any criticism
against the Hong Konggovernment, any criticism
against Beijing, against Xi Jinping,
that you will be chargedunder the so-called subversion
of state authority, thatyou are a threat against
the system of governance, against Beijing.
Again, this is another exampleof what is happening today
in Hong Kong and has been happening
in China over the last10, 15 years, longer.
But the crackdown is moreintense as we have seen
since Xi Jinping took thereins of power of China.
- Well, the past fewyears have certainly seen
a crackdown on Christianity within China,
with destroying churches,taking down crosses.
Is that in store for Hong Kong?
- Certainly is Gordon, absolutely.
I mean, the pastors that I have spoken to
they're preparing, they're preparing
for it and they've seen it already.
Those, incidentally, thosechurches that took part
in the protest and perhapsthey provided, you know,
a tent so that both policeand protestors can come,
they provided doctors.
They didn't necessarily actively engage,
but they were the handsand feet of the Church.
Today those churches and the pastors
of those congregations are under pressure.
They have gone underground.
Some of them have left,
as I mentioned in the report, Gordon,
some of them have left the city.
They estimate that in the next few months
over 300,000 Hongkongers areplanning to leave the city.
But the Church is ready.
They said they will continueto preach the gospel,
come what may they know that this message
of the good news of JesusChrist needs to be preached
whatever the circumstances.
And they see their brothersand sisters, over 70 years
of persecution, how thechurch in China has continued
to grow and they aretaking a page, so to speak,
from their brothers andsisters on the mainland.
- Well, it's going to be areal change for Hong Kong,
Christians were the heroesduring the SARS outbreak.
Christian doctors puttheir lives on the line.
Christian churches puttheir lives on the line
caring for the sick.
What a huge change.
Well, we have a viewerquestion from Instagram.
"What has happened to the United Nations?
"And why is there nota driving force coming
"against this sort of thing?"
- Yeah, (chuckles), what hashappened to the United Nations?
That is a good question, Beth.
I mean, really, I thinkwhat we are going to see
under this new administrationled by President Biden
is a completely different approach.
When Donald Trump was the president
he went to the U.N. andbasically said that, you know,
this idea that the UnitedStates is going to be governed
by a global community,by a global organization,
heck no, that's not gonna happen.
He talked about, you know, America first
and pursuing things thatwere in our interest,
beyond just the interestof the United Nations.
We are going to see a seatchange and we saw it already,
the fact that the U.S. has now rejoined
the World Health Organization,
has rejoined the Paris agreement,
and it's going to havea different approach.
This White House isgonna have a completely
different approach as itrelates to interactions
with the United Nationsand the various bodies.
Keep in mind, this is a body,the U.N. Human Rights body
that includes folks like Cubaand Pakistan and Saudi Arabia
overseeing the issues of human rights.
Like, are you kidding me?
So again, this administrationunder Joe Biden
will take a very, verydifferent approach compared
to what Donald Trump didover the last four years.
- All right, well, George, thank you
for your insights.- You're welcome Gordon.
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