- [Heather] Election 2020still far from decided,

from the presidency to whichparty will control the Senate.

- [Protesters] Count the votes!

- [Heather] More talkof potential voter fraud

with the vote counts inkey states like Michigan.

- [Protesters] Roe v. Wadehas got to go! Hey, hey!

- And a big win for pro-liferepresentation in the House.

These stories and moretonight on "Faith Nation."

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And welcome to "Faith Nation."

I'm Heather Sells, intonight for John Jessup

and Jenna Browder.

Well, tonight, the post-election struggle.

The country marks its third day uncertain

about who will serve as commander in chief

for the next four years.

Former Vice President JoeBiden is inching closer

to the presidency as votesare still being counted

in key battleground states.

And CBN's White HouseCorrespondent Ben Kennedy

joins us now with the latest.

Ben?

- Well, Heather, as wehead into the weekend,

neither candidate has the270 Electoral College votes

needed to win.

At last check, accordingto The Associated Press,

Biden stands at 264, Trump at 214.

President Trump's lead ofhundreds of thousands of votes

on Election Night inGeorgia and Pennsylvania

is now gone, as Biden'sahead in both states.

The last time Georgia voted blue

was back in 1992 for Bill Clinton.

Georgia's secretary of state said today

that they will likely head to a recount

due to the small margin.

Biden's team is calling for patience

as all the votes are counted.

But President Trump hasgone on the offensive,

pursuing legal action in a couple states,

including Georgia, tweeting,

"Where are the missingmilitary ballots in Georgia?

What happened to them?"

Now, bottom line, if Bidenwins Pennsylvania, it is over.

He has enough votes tobe the president-elect.

Heather?

- All right, Ben, thanks so much.

And CBN's Chief PoliticalAnalyst David Brody joins us now.

David, it sounds like we are in

for vote counting for several more days.

Talk, and we are justwaiting on David right now

to join us and talk about the length here.

We've got a definite wait

for votes.- I'm here.

- David, thanks for joining us.

As I was mentioning, we arevote counting right now,

and it looks like several days.

Talk about the timeline.

When might we expect a clear winner?

- Well, Heather, you said the word clear.

(Heather laughs)So there's two

different answers.

There's a winner and, well,there's a loose winner,

and then there's a clear winner.

I don't think we're having a clear winner,

honestly, until lateNovember or early December,

I'll be honest with you.

And that might be actually early.

In terms of a winner,look, I have a feeling,

probably the next 24 to 48 hours,

possibly by the end of the weekend,

we're gonna have, most likely,

Joe Biden, quote, go over the top,

and I put it in air quotes,but go over the top with 270.

What do I mean by that?

It means that you're gonna see

either The Associated Press or Fox News

or some other media outletproject him as the winner.

Maybe all of them do.

But the point is is thatthese are media projections.

They still have to be certified.

The recount's gonna happenin three of these states,

at least, maybe four, and then,

of course, you gotta recanvass,

and then you've gotta have it certified.

So just because he goesover the top of 270

doesn't necessarily meanhe has won the election.

Having said that, it isa political PR nightmare

for the president if that's the case.

- Right, well, it's apolitical PR nightmare

(laughing) for both sides, I would think.

I wanna ask you about, you know,

there's all this conversationabout stealing the election,

there's so many waysthis all could play out,

but does this end up at theSupreme Court, in your view?

Where does it kind of landat the end of the day?

- Yes, I think it's gonnaend up at the Supreme Court.

I'm at 95% on that.

I haven't checked my latestcalculation, but there!

There's my latest calculation, 95%.

And I think it's probably gonna just go

through Pennsylvania, thisidea that poll watchers

were not there at certainpoints of vote counting,

and so, the Trump campaign is gonna argue

that that was unfair.

They're gonna probablyargue unequal protection

because there were certainballots that were being cured,

in other words, fixed, in Philadelphia

and other places, butthat wasn't done at all

in some other counties in Pennsylvania,

so that'll be theunequal-protection argument,

and I think that's probablytheir strongest argument.

That's my analysis of it, but it's based

on talking to many legal experts who think

Pennsylvania is their best shot.

- All right, and we havereports that Joe Biden

will give a speech duringprime time tonight.

What do we know about that?

- Well, this is a drumbeat speech,

and what do I mean by that?

We've heard Joe Bidenin the last two days,

and this'll be the third day in a row

where we hear the drum beat as he talks

about, you know, "Let the vote be counted

and let's get ready, America.

We're gonna heal as a nation."

He's trying to showhimself as the president

of the United States,even though we can't say,

"I'm president-electof the United States."

And I think that's really what it is.

I don't want to say it's more for show,

but there's definitelya political PR portion

to all of this, and you'll seethat in prime time tonight.

- All right, very good.

David Brody, we'll betalking with you later.

Thanks for your time now.

- You bet.

- Well, should Joe Biden win,

the ambitions of his presidency

could well come down to Georgia.

Nationally, the Senate stands at 48-48,

but Republicans lead uncalled races

in Alaska and North Carolina, and Georgia,

a Republican stronghold, appears headed

to a January 5th runoff.

Georgia law requires an outright majority

to win a statewide office.

Votes are still being counted

between DemocraticSenate hopeful Jon Ossoff

and Republican Senator David Perdue

in a second round.

Separately, a secondrunoff could also happen

between Democrat Raphael Warnock

and Republican Senator Kelly Loeffler.

Both sides could end up paying out

tens of millions of dollarsfor these two runoffs.

Well, we are joined nowby Pastor Sam Rodriguez,

the president of the National Hispanic

Christian Leadership Conference,

which oversees more than 40,000 churches.

And Pastor Sam, thanks for joining us.

- Thank you for having me.

- You have been watchingthis election closely,

I know, as well.

And first of all, your thoughts

on the Latino evangelical vote.

what do you make of how people voted

and especially Latino males apparently

voting stronger for thepresident this time around?

- Tipping point, historic.

Listen, at the end of the day, if POTUS

does not get re-elected,and with an asterisk,

this will be the electionwith the asterisk on it

for multiple reasons,if that doesn't happen,

here's what I see.

I see that America embracedthe message of life,

religious liberty, and no to socialism.

That's what America did.

You go deep into the weeds, and you see

this incredible surgeof the Latino community,

primarily in Florida andTexas, but across the nation.

Right now, here's the floor.

36% of Latinos supportedPresident Trump. That's the floor.

Another estimate has it at 38%.

That's 10 percentagepoints better than 2016.

What does this mean?

It's a historic moment forthe American electorate.

The pro-life, pro-religious-liberty,

limited-government,no-to-socialism constituency

put an engagement ringon the Latino community.

We're not married, butwe're no longer flirting.

And the Latino community just emerged

as America's vaccine againstthe virus of socialism

and late-term abortion.

So, what do I see?

I see an acceptance of the message

and a possible narrowrejection of the messenger.

So right now the pro-life,the pro-religious-liberty,

the limited-government movement in America

should not be depressed.

We should actually becelebrating, in spite

of what might be happeningon Pennsylvania Avenue.

- Yeah, fascinating.Definitely not a blue wave.

I do wanna ask you, though,

if, indeed, we have a Biden presidency,

what does that mean forLatino evangelicals,

many of whom you were justsaying did not vote for him?

- Yeah, it means that we hope and pray

that a President Bidenwill continue to live out,

or better yet, actuallylive out, execute the words

that he articulated rightbefore the election.

"I am not a socialist.I am not a radical."

Well, we want to seethat now come to play.

If we see a President Biden sway

away from the radical late-term abortion,

post-birth abortion dependency, obsession,

of the new Democratic Party,then he's going to have

Latino evangelicals say, "Youknow what, Mr. President?

We're out there with the possibility

of supporting many of your policies."

But if President Biden drinksthe hard-left Kool-Aid,

you're gonna see Latinoevangelicals mobilize

like never before, just likewe did in Florida and Texas,

and you're gonna seethat 36% become 44%, 50%,

two years from now, midterms,

and definitely four years from now.

But listen, the RepublicanParty right now,

from a political standpoint, is bruised,

but the Democratic Party is bleeding.

The Republican Party has a black and blue,

because they may lose the White House.

But the Democratic Party is bleeding,

because without the Latino vote,

there is no future forthe Democratic Party.

So it's, "Dorothy, we'renot in Kansas anymore."

It's a new day indeed.

- Pastor Sam, reallyappreciate your thoughts

on the election, and I dowanna just pivot slightly

and ask you about COVID.

Obviously, we're heading into winter here.

The Hispanic community's beendisproportionately affected.

What are your concerns?

- Hey, Heather, as someone whose family

has been directly impacted by COVID,

from the get-go, I haveencouraged Latinos,

and Americans, for thatmatter, to wear a mask.

I'm a faith and scienceguy, both and not either-or.

So I encourage everyone,please wear your mask.

I don't believe inperpetual lockdowns, either.

I believe we can do better.

We can wear a mask, social distancing,

and likewise, we can open up the economy.

We should protect themost vulnerable, indeed,

but we can do both things.

So this COVID thing is veryreal, firsthand experience,

but by the grace of God, here we are.

Let's be very cautious,let's not be presumptuous,

and let's make sure we protect

the most vulnerable among us.

- All right, Pastor Sam Rodriguez.

Thanks so much for your time.

- Thank you for having me.

- Well, tonight, manyare still questioning

the integrity of that Michigan election,

and this after a MichiganCourt of Claims judge

dismissed a Trump campaign lawsuit there.

Michigan and its 16 electoral votes

went to Democrat Joe Biden Wednesday,

as he narrowly edged outPresident Trump there.

Biden rose to victory asmail-in ballots were counted.

The Trump campaign filed alawsuit claiming Democrats

mishandled absentee ballots,and that Republicans

didn't have fair accessto the counting process.

A judge dismissed that, sayingthere was meaningful access,

but the president of theRepublican Women's Federation

of Michigan told CBN Newsshe is still concerned

about massive election fraud statewide.

- [Robyn] Multiplestories, multiple reports,

eyewitness reports, ofRepublican attorneys

who are official pollchallengers being pulled out

by security, simply forasking for the ballot tally.

Another one was, anotherattorney was removed.

He said he moved his maskdown just long enough

to breathe and put it back up,

and there was a womanwho identified herself

as being from Homeland Security,

but would not give hername, and she ordered

the officers to then pull him out.

- Many of the concernsrevolve around Wayne County,

that is the largest county in Michigan.

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- As votes continue to be tallied

to determine who will be president,

at least 14 races have been called

in favor of pro-lifewomen representatives.

Seven of those womenflipped Democrat-held seats

in the House, while 11current pro-life females

won re-election.

The victory doubles the numberof women pro-life members

in the House, and itsignals a major shift.

Marjorie Dannenfelser, the president

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"a stunning blow to Nancy Pelosi

and her pro-abortion agenda."

Joining us now to talkabout what this means

for the pro-life agendais Prudence Robertson

with the Susan B. Anthony List.

Prudence, thanks for joining us.

- Thanks so much for having me.

- So you're celebrating record numbers

of pro-life women electedthis year in Congress.

Why this year, and what do youattribute their success to?

- We attribute their success to the fact

that life is winning in America,

and regardless of the uncertainty

in the presidential election,

it's clear to see that life isnot a losing issue this year,

especially because we seean unprecedented number

of pro-life women beingelected to Congress.

And this is a diverse group of women

who will no doubt stand up for the unborn.

They come from various backgrounds.

We have Maria Salazar, who was one

of our endorsed candidates.

She's a Cuban-Americanwoman who understands

the right to life.

We have Yvette Herrell in NewMexico, who is newly elected.

She is the first womanfrom the Cherokee Nation

to be elected to Congressfor the Republican Party.

And we also have proven pro-life leaders,

like Michelle Fischbach being elected,

who has served in thestate Senate in Minnesota

and advanced legislation to protect babies

from late-term abortion.

And the fact that we have so many women,

literally, like yousaid, doubled the number

of pro-life women in the House.

This is the first time thatwe've seen such a large number,

and they're going to serve as a barricade

against Nancy Pelosi'sradical pro-abortion agenda-

- Well, let me ask you a littlebit about that, if I may.

- Yeah.- Talk more

about what does this mean in terms

of setting the agenda in the House.

Obviously, Democratsstill control the House,

but how might they impact what does

and does not happen on the abortion front?

- You know, the fact thatthere are so many of them now

really serves to protectthe nation and the Senate

from having pro-abortion legislation

really infiltrate and get through.

The radical extremism that Pelosi,

Democrats, and the radical abortion lobby

are working together to try to advance

is late-term abortionthrough the moment of birth,

paid for by Americantaxpayers that are pro-life.

And the fact that these women will be able

to not only vote for pro-life policies,

but really be outspokenleaders on the issue,

it's going to make waves.

- All right, and I wanna ask you, too,

about what happened at the state level,

because I know you saw pro-life gains

in statehouses in key battleground states.

What's the significance of that,

and how could it, again, helpadvance pro-life agendas?

- That's right, absolutely.

We saw a lot of greatwins on the state level,

and that's so important,because it's state policy

that's going to challengethe extreme precedent

that Roe v. Wade sets, whichis across the board nationally,

late-term abortion throughthe moment of birth.

In Texas, we saw an amazing victory.

We protected 18 pro-life legislative seats

in the statehouse, and we also saw

three very strong congressionalpro-life candidates

win astounding victories.

And it really is justso important to promote

these candidates on the state level,

and we're so glad to seethat the pro-life movement

and our strong canvassingteam was able to reach,

across the nation, over 8 million voters,

just speak to them and highlight

the importance ofdefending unborn children

against the extremism of abortion,

and really, really turn the tide

and continue to pass pro-life laws.

- All right, Prudence Robertson

with the Susan B. Anthony List.

We're out of time, butthank you for your time.

- Thank you so much.

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- Well, we're back here on "Faith Nation."

I'm joined by CBN ChiefPolitical Analyst David Brody

and Julia Manchester of The Hill.

Thanks for joining us.I know we're all tired.

(Julia, Heather, and David chuckle)

It's been quite a week.

Let me ask both of you, though,

the main question thatI have for both of you,

a lot of pollsters, a lot of Democrats

saw a big blue wave coming.

Instead, we've got anextremely close race.

And besides concerns about polling,

what is your takeaway from the fact

that this is what we're dealing with?

Julia, go ahead.

- Thought would takecontrol of the Senate.

However, we will see if they do in January

with the two Georgia racesheading into a runoff.

And at the House level, Imean, the GOP gained seats.

Now, it should be noted that Democrats

obviously contained their majority.

However, the Republicans did well,

and I think it was particularly

a good night for Republican women.

You know, two years ago, the narrative

around the 2018 electionwas this blue wave

of Democratic women, but two years later,

we see it on a much smaller scale,

with Republican women, andthat achievement of theirs

should not be overshadowed.

Now, at the presidential level, yes,

polling showed Joe Bidenwith a much bigger landslide

over President Trump, and Ithink President Trump's campaign

did a pretty good job atgetting their voters to turn out

and reaching out to votersin a number of communities,

mainly in Florida, wherethey really reached out

to that Cuban-American votethat tends to vote conservative.

However, it's also worth noting

that there is no otherpresidential candidate

in history who has gotten asmany votes as Joe Biden has.

- All right, and David, your take

on the lack of the blue wave.

- Well, there's so muchto talk about here.

I mean, let's be honest, if wecould just take a step back.

Donald Trump, win or lose,at this point, it's looking

more like a loss, buteither way, he's a legend.

I mean, the guy overperformed,

he had the rallies of lifetimes there

in the last, whatever itwas, 10 days or two weeks,

and, you know, there was no blue wave.

And so, you know, if he'sgoing to leave after one term,

unlike a George H.W. Bush,who, it was a little bit,

it was rough for him at thattime, this is much different.

I mean, Trump is gonna leaveeven more powerful, actually.

He's gonna be a huge figure going forward,

even talk about him possiblyrunning again in four years,

so it's very differentthan George H.W. Bush.

And as for the blue wave,just never materialized,

and honestly, the pollstersand the media members

that support these pollsreally have a bunch of egg

on their face for many, many years.

- Right, well, and that's really

not good news for any of us.

Julia, maybe just briefly pick up

on this concern over polling.

What does this mean, thefact that these pollsters

were so off and peoplewere, perhaps, even voting

based on what they thoughtthe polls were saying?

- Yeah, I mean, look, wethought that a lot of pollsters

would have really gotten it together

and maybe changed some of their methods

in the four years after2016, and maybe they did

to a certain extent.

However, this was predictedto be a much bigger landslide

than it really is now, especially,

and I cover a lot ofHouse and Senate races

and I can't emphasize how muchthat applies there as well.

And also, on the note aboutthe House and Senate races,

I think one thing thiselection has taught us

is that a lot of us in the media,

a lot of pollsters, maybe even,

also overlook the ideaof a ticket-splitter.

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Joe Biden won that race.

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felt the same way.

However, a lot of voterswent into that ballot,

and they might've voted for Joe Biden,

but then they voted forRepublicans down the ballot.

So I think that's something we need

to be aware of going into other elections.

- Ah, fascinatingpolitical dynamics there.

Thanks to both of you for your time

and all your work this week.

- You bet.

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