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Faith Nation: October 1, 2020

Relief for the American economy. The 11th hour push for another Coronavirus relief package ahead of the election. Plus, it's not just the presidency at stake come November. A look at the possibility of a shifting balance of power at the U.S. ... Read Transcript


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- [Announcer] Tonight,the American economy.

- Our job is not done 'til weget everybody back to work.

- [Announcer] One more push

for another coronavirus reliefpackage, before the election,

even as large corporationslayoff thousands.

Plus, election 2020, it's notjust the presidency at stake.

A look at the possibility

of tipping the balance ofpower, at the U.S. Capitol, and.

- [Behnam] You've seen Iranians contest

their authoritarianism, bycontesting faith itself.

- [Announcer] A surprising shift away

from Islam in Iran, all this and more,

tonight on "Faith Nation."

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- A new wave of joblosses here in America.

Welcome to "FaithNation," I'm John Jessup.

- And I'm Jenna Browder,thanks for joining us.

With the Cares Act now expired,

more Americans are asking for help.

New numbers out today show 837,000

applied for jobless benefits last week.

- And major employers aresignaling future layoffs,

if there's no movement in Washington.

CBN White House Correspondent Ben Kennedy

reports on the outlook with us now

Ben, many blame the political stalemate

for these tough times going on right now.

- Yeah, John and Jenna, you're right.

Right now, there are nearly12 million people out of work,

and as you guys were talking about,

many are blaming Congressfor not getting together

on a deal on the nextcoronavirus relief package.

- We're hopeful thatwe can reach agreement,

because the needs of theAmerican people are so great.

- [Ben] Those needs being felt today,

as airlines added morethan 40,000 employees

to the list of furloughed, or laid off,

after federal funding ran out at midnight.

- It's very sad to see what's happening

in the airline industry.

I met a few of the airlineworkers on a flight,

who would lose theirjob, and their job loss,

19,000 people facing layoffs,is because of Nancy Pelosi.

- We have concerns about asufficient amount of money

to address unemployment insurance needs

of the American people.

- [Ben] Democrats now proposing

a $2.2 trillioncoronavirus relief package,

which includes a $600federal settlement per week

in unemployment insurance,

436 billion in aid forstate and local governments,

and another round of stimulus checks.

- The good news is the speaker

has come down

from her $3.4 trillion deal.

If there's a fair compromise,we're prepared to do it.

He's very focused on wanting to make sure

that all the people who'vebeen impacted by COVID,

no fault of their own,we're delivering relief.

As I've said before, our job is not done

'til we get everybody back to work,

and we're gonna keep trying.

- [Ben] In addition to airlines,

the hospitality industry is floundering.

Disney laid off 28,000 workers,

which includes their cruise line.

The cruise industry's no sail order,

set to expire today, was extendeduntil the end of October.

- You have a significant density of people

in a confined space,and unclear how optimal

the ventilation is.

And that's a recipe for COVID-19 spread.

- We are hearing that Pelosi and Mnuchin

talked for an hour today.

Airlines say they willrecall their employees,

if a deal is reached.

The $2.2 trillion package isexpected to pass Congress,

but not the Senate, becauseRepublicans have an issue

with a high price tag, John, Jenna.

- All right, White HouseCorrespondent Ben Kennedy,

thank you, and here withus now is Mark Hamrick,

Washington bureau chief,

and senior economic analyst at Bankrate.

Mark, it's good to have you with us.

You know, looking at unemployment,

applications were slightly down last week,

but now we see these massive layoffs,

from companies like AmericanAirlines, Disney, and others.

Mark, help us make sense of this.

- Sure, and when you'rereferencing that number,

as you should, Jenna, we'retalking about the total

of all programs administeredby the 50 states,

Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands,and the District of Columbia.

But there is another set of numbers

that is the claims arisingfrom the Cares Act,

the pandemic unemploymentinsurance program,

that's another 600,000 or so,

leading to a total of nearlyone and 1/2 million new claims.

This is obviously historically elevated.

Tomorrow, we'll get anew employment report.

That'll be for the month of September.

That's expected to show avery modest improvement,

from August level, down from 8.4,

to perhaps the low 8% level.

But let's remember, itwas just a year ago,

that the unemployment ratewent to a nearly 50 year low,

of 3.5%, so we're about 5% above that.

And that just shows you whata difference a year can make.

- It shows definitely what adifference a year can make,

and COVID has made.

Mark, looking at the bigger picture,

is there any way to forecast

what unemployment mightlook like, a year from now?

Will the country haverecovered, do you think?

- I appreciate the question,

because we just published

our new quarterly economistsurvey at bankrate.com.

We call it the Economic Indicator.

And the consensus of the economist

is that, remember, we're now at 8.4%,

that unemployment rate'llcome down to about 7%,

a year from now.

That's not as much improvementas we'd like to see,

and we hope that they're wrong.

We hope we'll see much betterimprovement in the economy

between now and then.

But they're also looking for something

that would give us onlythe recovery restoration

of about four and 1/2 millionjobs, between now and then.

As you referenced at the outset,

we recovered fewer than1/2 of the 22 million jobs

that were lost earlier this year.

So all of this suggests,

if the best guesses are nearly correct,

that we're still going to bedigging out for months to come.

- Ah, Mark, there are some 11th hour talks

about another relief package,before the November election.

What do you think is the likelihood

both sides would actuallycome to an agreement?

- Well, I think as the package said,

I think the House and the White House

could work out something,probably much easier

than what has already been the case.

Problem really is that theSenate is unwilling to go along.

And, because we havea system of government

that requires that, it appearsthat that's going to be

a tall order, so to speak, toget the Senate to go along.

So, I think right now the odds are against

a final passage, of anotherround of legislation.

And that's sad to say.

- Mark, final question here,with about a 1/2 a minute left,

we have some good newson the economic front.

President Trump signed the funding measure

to avoid a government shutdown.

It only goes through midDecember, your thoughts here?

- This is sort of doing the bare minimum.

Instead of the 12 appropriations measures

that would typically be required

to fund the government for the next year,

the can's been kicked once again.

This is the game

that we've come tounderstand in Washington.

Gets us through December11th, and then this is a game

that they'll be playing all over again.

- A game that we'll justhave to wait and see.

Mark Hamrick with Bankrate,

thank you so much for your insights.

- Great to be with you, thank you.

- Well to the campaign trail,

could South Carolinago blue this November?

New polling shows JoeBiden gaining ground there.

The Quinnipiac Pollfinding a statistical tie

with President Trump, at 48%support among likely voters,

and Biden 47%.

A big gain for the nominee,who was down six points,

just two weeks ago.

And notable because ademocratic presidential hopeful

hasn't won South Carolinain more than 40 years.

And the President mightnot be the only Republican

in trouble there.

Senator Lindsey Graham'sbid for reelection

is facing extreme pressure

from democratic challenger Jamie Harrison.

The same Quinnipiac Poll finding

the men tied at 48% among likely voters.

A South Carolina Democrathasn't been elected

to the Senate since 1998,

so the race could have a big impact

on the balance of power on Capitol Hill.

- Joining us now, CBN ChiefPolitical Analyst David Brody.

David, Republicans are onthe defense in the Senate.

They have more seats upfor grabs than Democrats.

How many seats canRepublicans afford to lose,

but still maintain control of the Senate?

- Three, John, if they lose four,

it becomes in control of Democrats.

Now, just to be clear,

the reason I said three to begin with,

just to do the mathright, Republicans are up

53, 47 in the Senate, if youlose three, you'd be at 50, 50.

All right, at that point,

it depends who wins the White House,

because obviously eitherVice President Mike Pence,

or Vice President KamalaHarris, will break the tie.

So bottom line is, if Democratscan pick up four seats,

they're gonna win the Senate,

regardless of who wins the White House.

And that's the way this is gonna work.

- David, what do you thinkthe likelihood of that is?

- Well, it's a pretty strong likelihood.

You know, I got to put itabove 70%, maybe 65 or so.

Look, there are 10 keybattleground states.

There's a lot of battleground states,

but when it comes to the Senate,

10 key battleground states,and the Democrat candidate

is actually leading, ortied, in nine of those 10

against the Republicans.

The Republicans onlyhave one safe seat out

of those 10 battleground states.

The Democrat is leadingin nine of those 10.

So, you know, you've got likeMartha McSally in Arizona,

and Thom Tillis in North Carolina,

Susan Collins in Maine,Cory Gardner in Colorado.

Those are the four that Ithink could potentially flip.

And if those flip, it's time

for Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

- David to the House, it seemslike a steep hill to climb,

but does the GOP have ashot at winning enough seats

to change the power structurein the lower chamber?

- Well, John here,here's a visual for you.

They have a shot, look,they need about 20 seats.

It's gonna be tough.

So, I don't know if that'sreally gonna happen.

Once again, most likely not.

As a matter of fact, theRepublicans, at this point,

have a better chance probablyof keeping the Senate barely.

I think they're gonnalose a few seats for sure,

but I think they'll have a better chance

of keeping the Senate at this point,

than actually winning back the House.

I mean, that's gonna be tough.

And part of the reason isthere's only 26 toss up races

in the House, I mean, you've got

about 190 solid Democrat seats.

You've got about 154solid Republican seats.

You put about 26 in the middle of toss up.

There's some lean left and lean right.

So, we have 26 races, andyou need to win 20 of those?

That's tough.

- David, of those House races,

are there any that you findespecially interesting,

or that you're keeping a close eye on?

- Well, you know, House racesare really hard to predict,

and so it's tough, but I will say this,

I'm gonna be watching on election night,

unroll what happens in Texas,

because I think Texas is interesting,

as it relates to theracial makeup of the state,

about the political leans of the state.

It kind of reminds me ofVirginia, back in the day

before Virginia went blue.

And it was kinda going light purple.

I'm not suggesting Texas is going blue,

but it does seem to be trending that way.

So I think a lot of thoseHouse races in Texas

is something I'm gonnabe keeping my eye on.

- All right, the Lone Star State.

Well, David, we will leave it there.

It's great to get yourinsights, thank you.

- Thanks guys.

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The political divide between older

and younger generations of evangelicals

appears to be growing.

A voter study group surveyfound 80% of white evangelicals,

over the age of 45support President Trump,

but just 60% of their youngercounterparts feel the same.

The younger evangelicals alsotend to be more supportive

of things like immigration, LGBTQ rights,

and fighting climate change.

- And Tuesday's debate highlighted

some of these generational differences.

Jack Jenkins, of Religion NewsService has written about it,

and he joins us now.

Jack, it's good to see you.

Why the divide between youngerand older evangelicals,

and maybe more importantly,

is it enough to make adifference at the polls?

- Well, we should point out to begin with

that younger evangelicals,younger white evangelicals,

still do, the majority support Trump,

and then the majority support Republicans.

But as you pointed out,

there is a significant statisticaldifference between them,

and their older compatriots.

And, when I spoke to experts about this,

they talked about how younger evangelicals

simply grew up in a different world,

than their older parents and grandparents.

They tended to grow uparound groups of people

who were not like them,

whether that it's different racial groups,

or different sexualities, orjust different identities,

political and otherwise.

And because of that, the experts say

that their form of politics is less,

quote unquote, combative.

And so they tend tobristle at the politics

that's used by President Trump.

And so that divide alsofalls along issue lines,

like for instance, climatechange is an issues

that younger white evangelicals

tend to be more concerned about,

than their older compatriots.

And the same thing, as younoted, with immigration reform.

But it's more of a trend,

it's more of a shift in another direction,

that will have a lot ofrepercussions in future elections.

How much of an effectit'll have this go around

remains to be seen, but it's notable

that the reaction to DonaldTrump's debate performance,

on Tuesday night, with alot of younger evangelicals

speaking out and expressingfrustration or disgust,

with the President'sperformance on Tuesday evening.

- And Jack, real quickly,what specifically

were they unhappy with aboutthe President's performance?

- Two main things, oneyou heard a lot of people

refer to his actions asbullying, or bullyish,

just the idea of talking overJoe Biden quite frequently,

seemed to rub a lot of youngerevangelicals the wrong way.

And there was a lot of conversation

about what looked like Trump's difficulty

to condemn white nationalism.

And regardless of how peoplefeel about that, in general,

younger white evangelicals,who spoke up on Tuesday night,

felt that Trump didn'tdo an adequate enough job

of condemning white supremacy,

and condemning whitenationalism, in particular.

Even had J.D. Greear,

head of the Southern Baptist Convention,

tweet out yesterday, athinly veiled reference

to what seemed to be Trump's,

on that moment during the debate,

talking about, J.D. Greear saying

that condemning white supremacy

should be an easy thing to do.

- Switching gears a littlebit, to the other campaign,

the Biden campaign is outwith a seven figure TV ad

by targeting Catholics and evangelicals.

What can you tell us about that, Jack?

- Right, so they justannounced this today.

Apparently the Biden campaignhas three different major ads,

two that are on television,

that will be getting geared towards

Catholic and evangelical voters,

that tout both Biden'sCatholic background,

and his Catholic faith,

as well as how his faith has sustained him

during moments of grief and loss.

You know, for instance,

the loss of his first wife and child,

and then later Beau Biden, more recently.

They also have a radio ad

that they intend to air onChristian radio stations,

that talks about, and thatthat has a parishioner

who goes to church with Biden,

talking about knowing him from mass.

And again this is gonna be in 14 states,

because this is part of theBiden's campaign strategy.

They really do feelthat they can chip away

at Trump's lock on religious voters,

virtually conservative religious voters.

And they're not trying to win them all,

but if they can win enough of them,

they think that if they targetthem with these sorts of ads,

they might be able to eke outa victory, come election day.

- And Jack, I read earlierin one of those articles,

that in one of those ads, he'sactually quoting scripture.

In just the few seconds we have left,

any realistic shot that hecan peel off faith voters,

who've traditionallysupported conservatives,

or in this case, Donald Trump?

- I think there is a small fracturing

that occurs even among white evangelicals,

that has been occurring reallysince the rise of Trump.

I think that we do see some people

who are disenfranchised,or feel disenchanted

with the Trump administration.

There's a stronger chance

that they might not show up to vote,

as opposed to voting for Biden.

But I think from Biden's perspective,

if he just peels off one or 2% of those,

in states like Pennsylvania,Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin,

that might be enough to secure a victory.

- All right, Jack Jenkins,we're out of time.

Jack Jenkins with Religion News Service.

Always great to have you on"Faith Nation," thank you.

- Thanks so much for having me.

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that's what a stunning newsurvey from Iran reveals.

It uncovers what Iraniansreally believe about Islam,

and how they feel abouttheir own government.

- And it's not what you may think.

Here's CBNs George Thomas.

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- For 14 days in June,two Dutch professors

interviewed more than50,000 Iranians online,

for an unprecedented survey,

covering topics from faith, topolitics, to religious life.

The authors say theydiscovered a huge shift,

that should fundamentally changehow we look at Iran today.

One major stand out fromProfessors Pooyan Tamimi Arab,

and Ammar Maleki, is thatdespite Iran census claims

that 99.5% of thepopulation is Shiite Islam,

only 32% of their respondentsidentified as such.

The next largest groupare the nones, at 22%,

which led the authors to conclude

that Iranians are abandoningreligion for secularism.

- Broadly speaking, thissurvey is important,

because it puts data behind

the largely non-empirical argument

that analysts have beenforced to deal with,

which is that Iraniansociety is less religious.

This survey, this dataproves that Iranian society

is exceptionally less religious.

- [George] Approximately1/2 of the population

reported losing their religion.

60% said they do not pray any more.

Younger people reported higher levels

of dissatisfaction with religion.

And an overwhelming number of respondents

were critical of authorities

using strict Islamic lawsto govern daily life.

For example, 72% of those surveyed

oppose the law mandatingall women to wear a hijab,

the Islamic veil covering.

And when the authors dug a little deeper,

on questions central to that faith,

even less numbers believedin the core tenants

of Shia Islam.

Only 37% believed in life after death.

30% believed in heaven and hell,

and even lower number, 25%,

believed in the comingof their Islamic Savior,

known as the Mahdi, or 12th Imam.

- All of these trends,the pushback on the hijab,

the lack of belief inthe coming of the Mahdi,

the lack of the willingnessto identify with Shi'ism,

and the willingness toidentify with other faiths,

are all a result of politicsin the past 40 years,

of the Iranian government.

And as the Islamic Republic

has tried to shove religiondown the throat of Iranians,

to mask their authoritariangrasp on power,

you've seen Iranians contesttheir authoritarianism,

by contesting faith itself.

- [George] The survey also revealed

that as Islam diminishes,Christianity is growing.

1.5% of those surveyed identifiedthemselves as Christian.

- And that is comparedto about 30 years ago,

being less than 1%, and that less than 1%,

everybody thought it was less than 0.5%.

- [George] Mike Ansari of Mohabat TV,

a ministry that broadcaststhe gospel into Iran,

tells "CBN News," thesurvey is significant,

because it lends credenceto what mission groups

have been saying for years.

- This data is importantbecause it's indicative

of the fact that in the country of Iran,

in the midst of persecution,and Islamic rule,

Iranians are turningtheir back to their faith,

to their institutional faith,

and receiving Christianity as a new faith.

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- [George] Iran is one ofthe most dangerous places

for Christians, and otherminority faith groups.

Non Muslims are oftenarrested, or severely tortured

for sharing or practicing their faith.

Yet, in a sign of changing times,

the survey found that 41% of respondents

believed all religionsshould have the right

to public proselytizing.

And around 54% said it was a good idea

for their children to learnabout other faiths in school.

George Thomas, "CBN News."

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- [Man] Young people, millennials,are flocking to church.

- [Woman] It's not an exaggeration to say

that we love to meet them,

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- Finally, tonight, thecountry's oldest living president

adds another candle to his cake.

- That's right, today,Jimmy Carter celebrates

his 96th birthday.

The 39th President of the United States

comes from hard working roots.

He was a Naval officer,turned peanut farmer,

before throwing his hatinto the political ring.

Besides serving as president,

Carter is known for hisunending humanitarian work.

And most importantly, his service to God.

To this day, he faithfullyserves as a Sunday school teacher

at Maranatha BaptistChurch, in Plains, Georgia.

President Carter and his wife Rosalynn

are celebrating the daytogether at their home.

- And happy birthday, Mr.President. he looks great.

- Well, that's gonna do itfor tonight's "Faith Nation."

- Have a great evening.

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