- Welcome back to the show.

I'm Roberto Torres-Cedillo

and I'm joining GordonRobertson, to discuss a topic

that is the forefront of everyone's mind,

the death of George Floyd,racism and injustice.

So, I came across thistweet that really struck me

and made me think and pause,

and the question that was posed was this.

Question for the white folks,

"What are you doing to makesure that your raising children

"who won't kill mine?"

So, if the family is thefoundation of society,

how can we start within our own homes,

tackling this issue, eradicating racism,

teaching our children,

hey racism is always immorally wrong.

How do we start there?

- Well, I think it startsaround the dinner table,

I mean right now thereneeds to be conversations

in every family, what isgoing on in our culture?

And it's not just whathappened in Minneapolis.

You've got to look at why in Georgia,

is jogging a crime?

You know, what was it that triggered

that kind of violent response where,

I'm going to get in a pickuptruck and have my shotgun

and I'm going to chase you down.

And I'm going to get anotherpickup truck to block you

and then I'm going to shoot you to death.

I mean, why?

I think in their minds,

at least from what I'm reading,

they thought they were catching a burglar,

but they had no evidencefor it, and you go why?

And then I think you know,it's sort of our culture

is having a one, two, three punch here.

You have the Georgia, whichI've already called on air.

They went out hunting.

You have Minneapolis, whereeight and a half minutes

in a choke hold.

Everyone involved inthat should have known,

you're killing him.

There's no reason, youhave him in handcuffs,

so there's no reason forsomeone to die in police custody

from a choke hold.

What is that about?

But, then the one that is just really,

sort of underscores it, is thevideo from the Central Park.

Here you have an African American male,

confronting a white female saying,

"Please put your dog on a leash."

And her response back is,

"You're being aggressiveand I feel threatened,

"and now I'm going tosic the police on you."

I'm going to, and sheannounces what she's doing.

She's, it's remarkablytransparent, her thought process.

I know how to get you.

And I'm going to do, she warns first,

I'm going to do this to you.

And then she does it and her voice change

as she's talking to the police,is absolutely astounding,

the act that she's putting on.

But then the visuals of this,

where she's mistreating this dog,

and holding the dog by the collar,

is visually, it's exactlywhat she's doing to the man.

And you watch thesethings and you just can't,

what kinda culture do we live in?

In my conversations this week,

I had one that really struck me is,

there was a grandmother, andso I'm old enough. (chuckles)

My friends are all grandmothers.

And she said, I had a conversation,

my grandson is African American

was planning a trip with his white friend,

to drive through Georgia.

And we a conversation,wouldn't it be better

for your white friend to drive in Georgia,

then for you to drive in Georgia?

And that just, I mean I don'thave to have that conversation

with my son, 'cause he's white.

But why do I live in a culture,

where, if you're African American you,

it's absolutely necessary foryou to have this conversation.

It's absolutely necessaryto go through a drill

of if you're ever arrested,

if you ever have aconflict with the police,

or an encounter with the police,here's what you need to do.

This is the, you know, youneed to be totally compliant,

you need to realizeyour life is in danger.

So, what do we have to do as a culture?

And you know obviouslywe need the conversation,

but I think more than that,

we need to have a completereview of our judicial system.

Keep in mind, in Minnesota,

the police chief is African American.

Keep in mind the attorneygeneral is African American.

In that context, you stillhave a white police officer

that thinks it's okay to doan eight and a half minute

choke hold over asuspect who's in custody.

So, it's more than justinstitutional change,

but there needs to be a heart change.

And there needs to be a complete review.

Why was this officer who hadcomplaints still on the force,

is an open question.

Is that a police union problem?

Is that a, do the policeadequately police themselves?

Who's watching the watchers?

- Right.

- And then on top of it,

why is it so hard to prosecute the police?

There's another case,that wasn't publicized

as much as the ones thatwe're dealing with now.

But, it was just a few months ago, really.

Anton Black in Maryland,

he was walking with hisnephew down the street.

There had been a whitewoman who had called,

someone has taken my nephew.

And the police seize onthis young man as the one.

And so literally, they chasehim up his own driveway

and then tase him onthe porch of his home.

He died.

But, the prosecutor in Maryland says,

"I can't file any charges here."

So, why is that?

Why is there reluctanceto hold police accountable

and hold them to a justice standard

that you and I are held to?

And why the difference?

So, it's obviously somethingwe can't solve today,

but I think if we agreetogether that we need to,

and then take the concretesteps forward to say,

all right, police union,you have to give here.

All right prosecutors,you need to be more active

in doing your job.

You can't give a pass.

And we as a culture aregoing to hold you to this.

- We got some work to do.- Yes.

- We got some work to do.

- And we need to pray.

- Yeah definitely, definitely.

Besides prayer, what's one last thing

that we need to do individually,

that you think that we need to do?

- I think you need to examine your hearts,

and just where are theracial attitudes in you?

For me, I had a very fortunate occurrence

of having an AfricanAmerican roommate in college,

who became my best friend.

But in that experience, I found out,

I grew up in rural Virginia,

and I found out just how much had,

just my environment invaded my thoughts.

I thought I wasn't racist,

but you know to hear from the other side,

and to live togetherrevealed some things in me.

So, are we holding subconscious things

you know, we may think I'm not that way,

but then when it's you know,why did you have this reaction?

So, there's no better way then to go live.

And you know, are people ofother races in your church?

Are they in your social group?

Are you reaching out?

Are you trying to findcommunity with them?

Or are you saying, wellthat's a different,

you know, that's not me.

When you look at them andsay, "You're me." (laughing)

- Exactly, yeah.

"We're brothers, and you'reme, and you're my friend."

And it really changes things.