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700 Club Interactive - March 11, 2020

A young lawyer advocating in courtrooms for pro-life clinics is healed from guilt and shame. Read Transcript


- [Gordon] A mass exodus.

- Christianity in Europe is dying.

- [Gordon] With churchesbeing repurposed as clubs,

bars, and skate parks.

- It's gonna get darker, yet.

- [Gordon] So how can it be stopped?

Plus...

- I was afraid of the shame.

- [Gordon] A lawyer with a dark secret.

- If they only knew, then they would,

they wouldn't even wantme representing them.

- See what she was hiding ontoday's "700 Club Interactive."

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Welcome to the show.

It's almost beyond belief.

Churches changed into barsand clubs, indoor skate parks

and a school for circus performers.

- Europe seems to berejecting Christianity

and embracing its pagan roots.

So what will it take to turn it around?

- Martyr's Free Church in Edinburgh,

part of the history ofChristianity in Scotland.

Today, it's Frankenstein,which describes itself

as a family-friendlyvenue but also a place

for stag parties and bar top dancers.

This is St. Paul's Churchin Bristol, England.

It's now a school for circus performers.

And in Llanera, Spain, theChurch of Santa Barbara

is now Kaos Temple, a skateboard park.

But before you get angry withthe owners of Frankenstein,

understand that Europe todayhas more empty church buildings

than it knows what to do with

because Europe is, by andlarge, no longer Christian.

These are the remnantsof a lost civilization.

Christian civilization.

It was once at the very heartof European life and culture.

Those days are long gone.

Among the British,

belief in the Christian God has plummeted.

- The trajectory's very clear.

Something like 70, 75% of British under 30

say they have no religion.

- [Dale] Theologian Stephen Bullivant,

author of "Mass Exodus,"

says Europe's move away fromChristianity is accelerating.

People will often ask me,especially the Catholic church,

"What can we do to kindof bring everyone back?"

And half-serious, I always say,

"Well, invest in time machine technology."

- The data is clear:Christianity in Europe is dying.

- [Dale] Dr. Harvey Kwiyani,

professor of AfricanChristianity and Theology

at Liverpool Hope University,

is from the Christian nation of Malawi.

He says moving to what he calls Britain's

pagan culture was a shock.

- Growing up in Africa,growing up in Malawi,

Christianity is exploding.

The median age of anAfrican Christian is 19,

Coming to Europe, theseare post-Christian people.

They have moved away from Christianity.

I teach students who would tell me,

"I'm a third, fourthgeneration pagan in my family.

- [Dale] God is still moving in Europe,

but the larger culture has been lost,

and although some governments might still

be officially Christian,

they are now openlypersecuting Christians.

- What is hard for peoplein America to understand

is that people in Great Britain really

have no notion of what Christianity is.

- [Dale] Attorney AndreaWilliams of Christian Concern

in London spends much ofher time defending clients

like Christian doctor David Mackereth,

who, because of hisChristian beliefs refused

to call a transgender mana woman and was fired.

- In essence, I'm now being compelled

to say things which I cannot say.

But when I'm told to call a man a woman

or call a woman a man,they're pushing my conscience

where it cannot go becauseI could not serve my Savior,

the Lord Jesus Christ and do that.

- [Dale] It's the same storyfor Christians across Europe.

In Finland, a Christianmember of parliament

faces possible prison time forsimply tweeting Bible verses

that condemn homosexuality.

And Bullivant warns itwill probably get worse,

as Europe returns to its pagan roots.

- At the end of that road, culturally,

I think, is probably 80, 90% no religion.

- And so to convince them to pay attention

to Christianity again is a challenge.

- Only a radical revival can change that.

If we don't, then it'sgonna get darker yet.

- [Dale] There is hope for Europe,

and it could be insomething missions leaders

call The Blessed Reflex.

It was the prayer of earlymissionaries like William Carey

and David Livingstone that one day,

the gospel would returnfrom the mission fields

of Africa and Asia tore-evangelize Europe.

And there are signs the BlessedReflex has already begun.

Dale Hurd, CBN News, London.

- It's amazing to see theprayers from the 19th century

now being answered in the 21st century

and how they wanted to, theseeds that they were planting

in Africa and Asia and LatinAmerica now coming back

and a whole new missionarymovement coming.

But let's look at what'shappening in Europe

and recognize it's happening right here

in the United States.

What will be the faceof Christianity by 2050?

The demographics, I think, are clear.

The face of Christianity inAmerica in 2050 will be Hispanic

and if it weren't forimmigrants from Latin America,

the overall population ofChristians in the United States

would be declining right now.

- You'd think that maybe it has to,

considering its historyin the present moment,

maybe it has to gocompletely away to resurge

in something fresh and new and full

of a different kind of life.

There's just so much, I don't know.

- Well, there's a lot to the root of Jesse

in the cut down stump andyou look at the desolation

that happened to Israel.

- Yeah.- And successive desolations

that happen.- Yes.

- And here, Israel is born again.

- Thriving.- And thriving

and God's spirit is being poured out.

So that's what we need to pray for.

God, pour out your spirit.

Without the sap of the life of the spirit,

all of our rituals,

all of our sacraments become lifeless.

- May it be so and let's pray to that end.

As we just saw, many Europeansare rejecting Christianity

and returning to pagan beliefsthat their ancestors held.

In the 5th century, Irelandwas a completely pagan country.

A young many named Patrickleft his home in Britain

and sailed to Ireland tobring the Christian faith

to the Emerald Isle.

- CBN Films tells hisstory in a new docudrama

coming to theaters just intime for St. Patrick's Day.

Here's a sneak peak atscenes with Robert McCormack,

one of the actors whoportrays St. Patrick.

- We're rolling, here we go.

(mumbling)

And action.

- We need a sheep that will befriendly and come up to him.

But your average farm sheepwon't come anywhere near ya.

- He's gonna have to clear a frame.

- Yeah, that's good there,

now as he walks over.- Yeah, it's perfect.

- So the scene we are filmingtoday was when Patrick

becomes a shephard, whichPatrick has no clue how to do.

- He doesn't speak the language,

so there's a lot of motioningand that's why there's

not very much dialogue in these scenes.

I see him as merchandise andhe's something to be used.

- Hey Spenser, come here.

- Although he's slightlylost hope, once he turned

towards God, that's whenhe found his faith again.

Even though he was a slave, within God,

he managed to push through and survive.

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- This March 17th,celebrate St. Patrick's Day

by seeing his true story,what he wrote himself,

in his book called "The Confession."

it was his defense.

The church authorities were seeking

to withdraw him from Ireland.

He'd become controversialbecause he wasn't preaching

in Latin, he was preachingin the local dialect.

He wasn't depending on foreign priests.

He was ordaining priestsfrom within the converts

that he was winning to Christ.

He was saying you have whatit takes to be a minister

to this flock and this village,

and all of that caused aresentment and a recall.

But you can hear hisstory in his own words,

how God spoke to him, how here a young boy

is taken away as a slave by Irish pirates

and then spends six years in slavery only

to be miraculously delivered by God.

A way of escape was made for him.

And then, 18 years later,to have God call him back

tot he very people who had enslaved him.

It's a wonderful story.

It's a story that will inspire you.

And my hope is it inspires two things.

One, people will believethat God still speaks today.

Two, people will believethat God still calls people

to missions and we need tofinish the great commission.

In our generation, we can do it.

All that's lacking is laborersfor the harvest field.

So let St. Patrick, lethis example inspire you.

Go see the movie.

It's only two days.

March 17th and 18th, it'll be in theaters.

We have 1,000 theaters nationwide.

If you wanna find a theater near you,

go to IAmPatrick.com.

There's a link where youcan click find a theater,

type in your zip code and it'll come up

with a whole list of theaters near you.

Go see the movie, thisMarch 17th and 18th.

Terry.- Just bought my tickets.

Can't wait.- Yay!

- Looking forward to it.

Well coming up, a stand for the unborn.

This lawyer fought on behalfof pro-life pregnancy centers

while hiding the shameof her own abortion.

- I thought I was a fraud andthat I was just pretending.

If they only knew, then they would,

they wouldn't even wantme representing them.

- [Terry[ So what happenedwhen her secret was revealed?

Find out next when we come back.

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- Raped and pregnant.

Nada was forced to have an abortion.

Her parents gave her noother option and years later,

she became a pro-lifeattorney and was terrified

that her past would be exposed.

- [Narrator] In 2017,attorney Nada Higuera

of the Advocates for Faithand Freedom, made headlines.

Her client, a pro-life,Christian pregnancy center

in Marietta, California refused to follow

a new controversial state law.

- In 2015, the CaliforniaLegislature passed

what's called The ReproductiveFACT Act which essentially

forced pro-life pregnancycenters to advertise abortion

and to refer their clientsto abortion clinics.

- [Narrator] At eight monthspregnant, Nada, a Christian,

stood confidently beforethe State Supreme Court

and the onslaught of media.

But privately she was afraid,

afraid her secret would be exposed.

- I thought I was a fraud andthat I was just pretending,

if they only knew, then they would,

they wouldn't even want merepresenting them in this case.

- [Narrator] Nada was theyoungest of eight daughters

born to devout, Muslim parents.

She had little or no say in her life,

even her husband wouldone day be chosen for her.

In her mind, she waslittle more than property.

- My parents only wanted a boy.

So I believed that I was unwanted,

and that I didn't havea purpose or any value.

- [Narrator] A belief etchedeven deeper in her mind

when a friend of herparents sexually abused her

from the time she was six to 16.

- He just told me thatnobody would believe me,

and so it was that along with knowing

my personality of wanting tobe a peacemaker and not wanting

to cause any strife ordivision in my family.

I felt helpless.

I was just a shell, silently surviving.

- [Narrator] It wasn'tuntil she got pregnant

that her parents confronted the man.

He fled to Yemen leaving Nadato face the consequences.

- There wasn't any questionsabout how long it's

been happening or when or how.

It was almost as if I was comingto them telling them I went

and had sex with aboyfriend and am pregnant.

- [Narrator] Nada's wasn'tthe only life affected.

- The solution to sweepthis under the rug was

"You're getting an abortion."

- [Narrator] In high school,

Nada started looking to other religions.

Then, through some Christianfriends she learned about a God

much different than the oneshe had been taught to follow.

- When I was 18, I heard thegospel for the first time

and it just struck me.

I didn't know if I believedit because, you know,

it was hard for me to believe that you

could be forgiven for all of your sins.

- [Narrator] So, in college,she kept looking for answers.

And now, away from her parent's scrutiny,

she started dating.

- I thought the answerwould be to find a man

who loved me, to showme that I do have worth

and I do have value andI'm, I can be loved.

- [Narrator] Then in her sophomore year,

she began attending aChristian church regularly.

Now working towards law school,

she grappled with the intellectualissues of Christianity.

Then on Easter in 2008, her senior year,

she decided there was only one conclusion.

- The pastor had a call and said,

"If you believe and youwant to make this confession

"of faith today, raise your hand."

And so, I did.

And that marks to me when I truly believed

that Jesus Christ is the Lord.

- [Narrator] But stillunable to silence the voices

from her youth, Nadacontinued to believe her worth

would come through a Muslim man.

One day, she found him.

- Just seeing how kindand loving that he was

and successful he was andthat he would be interested

in me and that he loves me,gave me a sense of worth.

- [Narrator] Eventually,they moved in together

and got engaged.

That's when she realizedthat her fiancé was

as serious about hisgod as she was of hers.

- I felt torn between this amazing man,

everything besides the faithwas in line with what I wanted,

but then I wanted God morethan, more than anything.

So I just felt torn between the two.

- [Narrator] Then, heended the engagement.

- I just felt like my worldhad been taken away from me,

just empty and again,not having any value,

useless and worthless.

- [Narrator] As she had often done before,

she turned to the Bible.

This time, the words cutthrough the voices in her mind,

and penetrated her heart.

- I saw myself through God's eyes now,

I saw that I was cleansed, youknow, by the blood of Christ,

that I'm sinless and spotless.

I felt like royalty reading about myself

through the scriptureand connecting with God

and understanding His love for me.

- [Narrator] Nada alsobegan to realize everyone

needed God's forgiveness,

including her parents andthe man who abused her.

But it wasn't until shefought and won the case

in favor of pro-life,

Nada realized God could evenforgive her for the abortion.

- I was afraid of the shame,just having to feel that,

when this all happened,and God redeemed that,

I felt set free, redeemed.

The word that kept comingto my mind is redeemed.

- [Narrator] Today,with her husband Grant,

Nada is raising her daughter, Nyla Grace,

to understand the value she,

and all people have in the eyes of God.

- Jesus filled my identity and my purpose.

When I felt like an empty shellall those years as a child,

now I'm, have the HolySpirit dwelling inside of me.

He knitted me togetherin my mother's womb,

to be loved more fully thanI could have ever imagined.

- And that is what God wants for you.

He wants you to be known for love,

the love that you can give and the love

that you can receive,love that comes from Him.

You are God's child.

You are wonderfully made.

You have His breath in you.

When you understand that and get that,

and understand the relationshipthat you can have with Him,

where He'll speak toyou, He'll come to you

in the cool of the evening andhave conversations with you.

He'll show you His nature.

He'll show you His heart,

He'll reveal things to you in His Word.

He will do all of these things for you.

Why, because He loves you.

He loves you infinitely.

Now, for Nada, I thinkwhat happened to her

has happened to a lot of people.

You get into life andsuddenly you're doing things

that you know are wrongand you do them anyway.

Whether you're forced to dothem or you choose to do them,

they linger with you, they haunt you.

And how do you forgive yourself?

How do you come to that place?

For her, it was a revelationof who she was in God

and how God viewed her.

What will it take for youto finally let go and say,

just as she said, "I have been redeemed,

"I have been bought with a price."

I encourage you today,if you're carrying guilt,

if you're carryingshame, look to the cross,

look to what Jesus paid for you,

look to His blood shed for you,

and here's the thought to have.

Am I worth the price that He paid?

If your automatic responseto that is "No, I'm not.

"I went too far, I did too many things,"

you're denying what Hehas said you're worth.

You're denying what Hehas already done for you,

and what He has already paid for you.

If He was willing to give His life,

to offer His own soul asa sacrifice for the things

that you've done wrong,then you should never,

ever reject that, but receiveit and receive it gladly

and let it wash away all your sin,

all your guilty conscience.

and realize that He hasfreed you from dead works.

He will cleanse your conscience,free you from dead works

so that you can serve the living God.

If you have things weighing down on you,

if they're things you say,

"I can't even forgive myselffor this," we're here for you.

I believe in confession.

I believe that confession willactually open up your heart,

those secret places thatyou're holding on to things.

These aren't thingsthat you have to confess

to the whole world,but we're here for you.

We're not here to judge you,we're not here to condemn you.

We're here to tell you, God loves you.

He'll forgive you, He'llforgive you of anything.

And if you need help with that prayer,

if you need to unburden to someone,

you don't have to identify yourself,

you don't have to leaveyour name, anything.

Just be free.

Be able to walk free.

Call us, 1-800-700-7000.

And if you'd like, something,we've got two things for you.

One is called, "OvercomingGuilt: Keys To Powerful Living."

It'll give you Biblicalsteps of what you can do

to rid yourself of guilt and shame.

God doesn't want you to have guilt at all.

Now, there is no morecondemnation for those

who are in Christ Jesus.

I want you to have this, it's free.

All you have to do is call us.

We'll send it to you as aPDF or we'll mail it to you.

There's another thing called, "A New Day."

If you pray a prayer toask Jesus into your heart,

yes, you have a new day.

It'll teach you how tolive the Christian life,

what to do now.

Call us, both are free,no obligation at all.

1-800-700-7000.

Terry.- Still to come,

God works in mysterious waysand businessman Perry Hohman

knows that to be true.

- We had a house fire.

We all got out in justa matter of minutes.

- See why he says we allneed to become more aware

of how God is working in ourlives and how to trust Him.

Perry is here live, next, so stay with us.

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As a husband for over 33years and father of five,

Perry Hohman has learned a thing or two

about communicating with others.

But today, he wants to help you grow

in your communication with God.

Take a look.

- [Narrator] Author andbusinessman Perry Hohman believes

that God communicates in several ways.

Perry wants to help youlearn how to discern

what the Lord is saying to you.

- This big, huge holly treethat was in our backyard,

and all of a sudden, it fell down.

No reason for it to fall down,

didn't make any sense for it whatsoever.

That tree is next to ournext door neighbor's house.

Now, you could not seeour garage from there.

When that tree came down,we had a house fire.

Our neighbor would've never seen it.

He came running overthe middle of the night,

pounded on the door thatwe have a house fire.

We all got out in justa matter of minutes.

- [Narrator] In his new book, "Trust God,"

Perry shares personalstories and gives practical

suggestions to help your trust in God grow

and your relationship withGod to get even stronger.

- Joining me now is Perry Hohman.

Perry, it's great to have you here.

- Hi Terry, thank you.

Thanks for having me.

- Just as in that storyof your house fire,

with God, it's often a scenariowhere something happens

that doesn't look like God is in it.

Then, in that 20/20hindsight we often have,

we look back and go, wait a minute,

God was in this all along.

Things like that have really

built your trust in God, haven't they?

- They really have.

In the instance of the house fire,

that tree has been sittingthere for a long time,

it was 100 foot tree.

All of a sudden, oneday, it just falls down.

- Yeah.- And crashes

into our neighbor's fence.

So now, we have to deal with the fence

in our neighbor's yard.- So now it's a financial...

- Right, now I've gotta deal with that.

So it wasn't maybe a night or two later

that the folks that live next door to us.

They were having visitorsfor the first time.

They just got finishedrenovating their house.

And so, visitors were in the room

that overlooked our back yard.

- Wow.- If the holly tree

is still up, they'renot seeing our backyard.

And so, the tree went down,they looked over to the garage,

and the garage was on fire.

And they're in anotherpart of the neighborhood,

so the gentleman who lived there,

he would have had to driveout of the neighborhood,

come back into ours.

The tree down, runs over,knocks on the door and says,

"You have a fire."

We all jump out, geteverybody out and by the time

we get out, the garage is blazing.

It's not until those kind of things happen

you stop and say,

"All right, I know whythe holly tree fell down.

"Thank you God for watchingover us and guiding us."

- That really is a part of our inheritance

as children of God, isn'tit, that we can trust Him,

He wants us to trust Him and then,

every once in awhile, He givesyou those God wink moments

where you get to see,ah-ha, He's really there.

Tell me a little bit about how God

has revealed His voice to you.

Whether it's audiblevoice or not I don't know,

but those moments whereyou know, wait a minute,

this is God speaking to me.- Yeah.

When I first went to write the book,

I was working in a situation,

the folks that work forL + M Sanders and Sons,

big real estate investment company

and we were going throughsome issues at that time

and I woke up in the middleof the night in a dream

and God spoke to me in a dream

that said He wants me to write a book.

I'm not an author.- Excuse me?

- Yeah, I'm not a theologian.

We have five children and we were--

- Yeah.- Very busy at the time.

The kids were in so manydifferent activities and sports

and so I just didn't thinkI had the time to do that.

But I prayed over it and I said,

"God, if you really want me to do this,

"please show me a sign, because I really

"don't think I'm up for it."

And it wasn't a night or twolater and in another dream,

He gave me the title of the book.

So then, I realized, all right,

I need to get started on this project.

So I think God talks toyou through different ways

and He can talk to youthrough inspirations.

I think a lot of times,

He talks to you through different people.

He can talk through--- For you, dreams.

- Dreams, yes, yes.

- I mean, that's interesting.

I've never had that happen,but I know people who have.

One of the chapters in thebook is called Pace Yourself.

Talk about that.

- Pacing yourself is,we live in this world

with so many technical gadgets.

We have our time beingdrained by, 24/7 these days.

And so, the question reallyis is carve some time out,

five minutes out of the day,10 minutes out of the day,

beginning of the day, end of the day,

maybe while you're driving,

maybe while you're doing errands,

and just spend it with God and say,

"God, what do you want me to do?

"How can I use the skills you gave me?

"Help me identify thoseskills and how can I make

"the lives around me better?

"How can I improve different lives?"

- And sometimes, that abilityto sense His presence,

to feel Him comes over a window of time.

It's not like you praythe prayer and badaboom,

I can trust God in everything.

It's a relationship and a journey.

- It is and if you're gonnastrengthen your relationship

with God and the people around you,

you really have to have a trust in that

and you have to open yourself up and say,

"Okay, God, what is itthat I'm supposed to find

"that you want me to do," verses,

"God, this is what I want."

And that's what a lot ofus have a tendency to do.

We have something veryspecific that we want.

But God's very creativeand He's probably got

a better idea what He wantsyou to do than you do.

I encourage folks in the book to say,

okay, "God, keep an openmind and let me look around

"at your creativity as to what you want,

"how you want me to respondto a certain situation

"or how I can help other people out.

- And often, and I reallybelieve it's often,

He's asking you to do somethingyou feel wholly unprepared

or qualified for, like you feltabout writing a book, right?

- Exactly, that was thelast thing on my mind.

- A 10 year endeavor.- It took me 10 years,

but the nice thing about it,Terry, is that I'd wake up

in the morning and maybe an hour

and I would just say a prayer.

And I would say,

"God, what do you wantme to write about today?"

And I just would sitquiet and sooner or later,

there'd be an inspiration there

and I would just start writing.

And many times, I would finish,

I don't even know what I wrote.

So those are the kind ofthings where you can just stop

and say, God, guide me,strengthen me, give me signs,

help me to know what you want me to do.

- Well friends, we are thebeneficiary of those 10 years,

(laughing) can I just say.

If you wanna learn more,

Perry's book is called simply "Trust God."

IT's available nationwide.

Trusting God will change your life.

Perry, thank you so much for being here.

- Thank you, Terry.- Great message.

- Just would like to sharewith your viewers, you know,

ask God, ask God to helpyou understand what you

should be doing to use your skill

to help the lives around you.

- He's waiting to be asked.

In You, Lord, my God, I put my trust.

I trust in You.

That's your scripture for today.

Thanks, Perry.- Thank you, Terry.

- The Lord bless you.- Thank you very much.

- Great to have you here.- Thanks for having me.

I appreciate it.- Thank you.

We'll see you next time.

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