- [John] Tonight, the healthcaredebate takes center stage

ahead of the 2020 election.

How the issue could impactpolitics for the next decade

and beyond.

And lawmakers pause to remember the life

of one of their own,Congressman Elijah Cummings.

Plus, the candidates who qualify

for the next Democratic primary debate.

All this and more,tonight on Faith Nation.

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- Healthcare and the 2020 election,

welcome to Faith Nation,I'm Jenna Browder.

- And I'm John Jessup.

The president has long promised

a great Republican healthcare plan.

So far we haven't heardmuch about the details

and what it may include.

And the Democrats planto use that against them

as voters head to the polls.

- And next month Democratswill try to reclaim

nearly 1,000 state legislative seats

they lost when PresidentObama was in the White House.

So what can Republicans do

to prevent that from happening?

Here's Jennifer Wishon.

- We hear an awful lot about

the 2020 presidential race,

but next month 538 state legislative seats

are up for grabs,

and the winners of those races,

plus more to come next year will shape

the makeup of Congress for a decade.

Voters in Louisiana, Mississippi,

New Jersey and Virginia

cast their votes November 5th.

While President Obamawas in the White House

Democrats lost nearly 1,000state Legislative seats,

now they're laser focusedon getting them back.

And they're punchingRepublicans on healthcare.

- [Woman] Sturtevant voted to deny

access to health coverageto 400,000 Virginians.

And expand plans that letinsurance companies deny coverage

for pre-existing conditions.

- [Woman] Kick people withpre-existing conditions

off their health insurance.

- [Jennifer] Democrats know protections

for people with pre-existingconditions are popular.

And even though President Trump says

he supports those protections,

there's been no action.

And Democrats smell blood.

- Republicans just don't do healthcare.

This has never been one

of their strong suits.

And it's a real and decades long problem.

It's one of the reasons we got

The Affordable Care Act

or Obama Care is because Republicans

have paid insufficientattention to this issue.

- [Jennifer] Tuesday agroup of house Republicans

working closely with the White House

released a proposalthey say gives Americans

freedom of choice,

a clear alternative to socialist policies

popular on the left.

- Parts of that proposalare really strong.

They would take the $828 billion

or worker's earnings

that employers now get to control

because of a weirdquirk with the tax code,

they would give that $828 billion

to the workers who earned it.

That's a huge change.

And then the workers could buytheir own health insurance.

It stays with them asthey move from job to job,

rather than having theiremployer choose a plan for them

that disappears whenthey move to another job.

- [Jennifer] And atthe president's urging,

protections for pre-existing conditions.

- We wanna protect pre-existing conditions

by treating those who are self employed

the same way we treat those

who get insurance through their job.

- And how the healthcare debate turns out

could have a lot to do with

those state legislative races

because after the 2020 Census,

those lawmakers willdraw congressional lines

that will stand through 2030.

Jennifer Wishon, CBN News, Washington.

- Thank you, Jennifer.

Even though the 2020 election

is a little more than a year off,

millions of Americans are already

closely watching the candidates,

and that includes Christians.

The AND campaign is a social justice

oriented faith organization

that helps promote civil

and community engagement in politics,

and just released its2020 presidential election

statement, which reads in part

our nation desperately needs Christians

to live out their faithin this political sphere

for the good of all Americans.

And the 2020 presidentialcandidates need to hear,

respond to, and respect ourvoice and earn our vote.

More than 50 faith leaders

have already signed on tothe AND campaign statement.

- And Justin Giboney with theAND campaign joins us now.

Justin, good to see you,thanks for being here.

- Hey, thanks for having me.

- So, Justin, what do you think,

faith and politics, do the two mix?

- Yeah I think the two do mix

if you know how to,

if you know how to order them properly.

The AND campaign believes

that to be faithful and toreally address politics properly

you have to understand that politics

is really just a tool.

It's not a master, it's a tool

that we can use to take care

of our neighbor andpromote human flourishing.

And that's what we intend to do.

- So walk that out for us,

what does it look like to you

for Christians to live out their faith

in the political sphere?

- Yeah I think in general,

when we talk about living out your faith

in the public sphere,

it's really about lookingout for the interest

of others and not justChristian self interest.

I mean when you're,

we're talking about poverty.

We're talking about criminaljustice issues like abortion.

Politics is an arena that gives us

a robust opportunity to really

care for others and live out our faith,

and show that we do have compassion.

- Part of the AND campaign's statement

reads candidates need to hear,

respond to and respect our voice

and earn our vote.

How specifically can these candidates

win the votes of Christians?

- Well I mean obviously Christians

are not a monolith

so there's a lot of different ways,

but I think that the AND campaign

speaks for Christians whocare about two things,

which is justice and moral order.

A lot of times our political landscape

separates justice from moral order

so that people who are more progressive

are always talking about justice.

Folks who are more conservative

are talking about moral order,

but as we understand the gospel

Christians should be talking about both.

And so for those Christianswho do care about both,

I think the candidates have to be nuanced

in how they address issues.

I think they need to address immigration

in a very compassionate way.

That doesn't mean thereshouldn't be borders.

They need to address abortion in a way

that respects life,

but is also compassionate towards women

who have crisis pregnancies.

And so it's really being willing

to get outside of some

of the places where theparty normally takes people

and have a nuanced view

that is compassionateand also convictional.

- Justin, the statement hints

at the divisive times in which we live.

It says we affirm the historic Christian

sexual ethic, yet it continues saying

we believe that religious freedom

and LGBT civil rightsare not irreconcilably

in conflict.

Most Christians would probably

agree with that first part.

How do you go about balancing both

or, as you say, find ways to disagree

without compromising our conscience?

- Yeah, a lot of times the way

that our politicallandscape presents things

to us is that it has to be all or nothing,

like it's a zero sum equation.

And we don't believe that's quite true.

So for instance for the AND campaign

we do maintain the Christian sexual ethic.

We believe that that is timeless,

it does not expire.

But that does not meanthat we can't disagree

with certain groupsand also care for them.

So I may believe in historicChristian sexual ethic,

but that doesn't mean that I think

somebody who identifies as LGBTQ

should be kicked out

of their house, should be fired

from their job, have difficulties

with baking and other things,

I don't think that's necessary.

So what we're saying is yes

there should be religious freedom

because religious freedomis very important,

but we also can be compassionate

towards those who we may be disagree with.

And I think things like The Fairness

for All Act allow us to do that.

And it's really how politics should work.

Groups that don't always agree

coming together to find a path forward.

- All right, Justin, we'regonna have to leave it there.

Justin Giboney, thank youso much for your time today.

- Thanks for having me, John.

- Well today Capitol Hill made history

and said farewell toCONgressman Elijah Cummings.

Cummings passed away lastweek at the age of 68.

For more on today's ceremony at the Hill,

we turn to Capitol Hill correspondent

Abigail Robertson.

Abigail.

- Well today lawmakers from both sides

came together to mourn the life

of their friend and colleague,Congressman Elijah Cummings

as his body lies in state

in Statuary Hall.

- [Woman] God truly blessedAmerica with the life

and legacy of Elijah Cummings.

- [Abigail] Cummings wasa civil rights leader

born and raised in Baltimore,

a city that's part

of the district he representedfor 13 terms in Congress.

- He was strong, verystrong when necessary,

but also kind and caring and honorable.

Universally respected.

- [Abigail] When hepassed away he was serving

as chairman of thePowerful House Oversight

and Reform Committee,

one of the groups investigating

the Trump impeachment inquiry.

- [Chuck] No matter your politics,

if you knew Elijah youwent to him for guidance.

- [Abigail] Today, anypolitical disagreements

were cast aside as both

Republicans and Democrats spoke

to his character, integrity and faith.

- For me, I was privileged enough

to be able to call him a dear friend.

Some have classified it asan unexpected friendship,

but for those of us that know Elijah,

it's not unexpected or surprising.

- [Abigail] RepublicanCongressman Mark Meadows

told CBN News he's been blessed

by his unique friendship with Cummings.

- Not only was he a man of principle,

but he was a man of grace.

I think that defines who he is.

Our friendship developed over the years

in a real and genuine way.

So today's a tough day,

but it's a good day.

I know that he is,

he's in a mansion that'sbeen prepared for him.

And yet I will miss him here.

- Cummings leaves behinda wife and three children,

who say he served his country

up until the very end of his life.

A funeral service will be held Friday

at New Psalmist Baptist Church

in Baltimore, where both former presidents

Barrack Obama and Bill Clinton

are expected to speak.

- Abigail, during histime on Capitol Hill,

Cummings clearly had a big impact.

Talk a little bit aboutwhat people are saying

about his legacy.

- Well I think you definitely saw that,

and he was very revered by lawmakers

on both sides of the isle.

And despite deep political differences

with some of them,

that didn't stop him frommaking true friendships

with a lot of members,

like Congressman Mark Meadows,

who we say get emotional today

when talking about Elijah Cummings.

And I asked Meadows in an interview

just a little bit ago

what he thinks Cummings' legacy

here on the Hill will be.

Take a look.

- Well I think his legacy is one

of always being direct

and speaking his mind,

but doing it in a way that,

to use his two words,efficient and effective.

He was always going to do that.

And the other thing he's known for

is always saying wellwe're better than this.

- He will certainly be misseddearly here on the Hill.

Back to you John and Jenna.

- All right, AbigailRobertson on Capitol Hill.

Thank you.

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A new Quinnipiac poll released today

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She joins the eight other candidates who

have already qualified,including front runners

Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren

and Bernie Sanders.

Other candidates have until November 13th

to reach the polling

and donor minimums toqualify for the debate.

- Here now Caitlin Conant,

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Caitlin thank you for being here.

- Thank you so much for having me.

That same Quinnipiac poll

that Jenna just mentioned

places Elizabeth Warren ahead

of Joe Biden, 28 to 21%.

Its the fourth consecutiveQuqinnipiac poll

where she's ahead of Biden.

Is this now saying that Elizabeth Warren

is the undisputed Democratic front runner?

- Well you know it's unquestionable

that she's had a really strong few months.

As you mentioned, both in the polling

and fund raising.

I think what we've seenis that there's now

two clear lanes that have established.

One is the more progressive wing

of the party, which Senator Warren

and Senator Sanders, they're kind

of attracting the same sort of voters.

But then you also have the moderate lane,

which so far formerVice President Joe Biden

has been in the lead,

butt here's a bunch

of candidates who are hopingthat if he dips at all

they can fill that void.

And so you're seeing Mayor Pete Buttigieg

who was also doing better in the polls,

who was second in theIowa State poll today

in the state, which is a jump for him>

- [John] That's a pretty big deal.

- Yeah.

And he did well in the Quinnipiacpoll this morning as well.

And you mentioned, Senator Amy Klobuchar

is someone who wants to fill that space

and thinks that there is potentially

an opening to takethose voters from Biden.

- Well one candidate who's dropping out

is Congressman Tim Ryan from Ohio.

Given the stricter qualifications

to get on the stage,

when do you expect the field

to really narrow,

and when will we get a good idea

of who the actual candidate

to take on Donald Trump might be?

- Well I think one thing to say

is that candidatesdon't decide to drop out

because they decide you know what

I don't think I couldbe president after all,

they run out of money.

And they need the money to keep going.

So I think you'll probably see,

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as we head into theearly states next year.

Candidates who have the fundraising

and the money that it takes to hire staff,

to pay for travel,

to be able to pay for TV

and do all the things that they need to do

to be able to get their message out

so that people wanna vote for them.

- Is that gonna be aproblem for Joe Biden?

He's trailing far, far behind some

of these others like Elizabeth Warren

and Bernie Sanders.

- Well you know, rightbefore I walked in here today

the Biden campaign said

they're open to having someSuper PAC support brought in.

So I think that says a lot.

They are behind SenatorsSanders and Warren,

and it is an important

and crucial element to running a campaign.

- To the impeachmentinquiry on Capitol Hill,

Lindsey Graham is introducing

a non-binding senate resolutioncondemning what he calls

a closed door illegitimateimpeachment inquiry

by the house Democrats.

If passed, what will that resolution do?

- Well I think the mainthing to focus on here

is just the messaging ofRepublicans right now.

And you'll notice that a lot

of them are criticizing the process

of this as opposed to defending

what the president mayor may not have done.

So one thing that I'm also focused on

in terms of the calender is

what does this mean for a lot

of the Senate Democrats whoare running for president,

because with the timing of this,

if the trial comes to the Senate

and there is a vote toimpeach in the house-

- [John] They're inofficial campaign cycle.

- Exactly.

That could mean that come January

or February potentially you could have

Warren, Sanders, Harris,

Klobuchar, Booker all sitting in a trial

where they can't speak,

while Mayor Pete Buttigieg

and Vice President Biden

are barnstorming the early states.

So that's something tokeep an eye on as well.

- Just a few seconds left,

but today we saw a raremoment on Capitol Hill,

we saw Mark Meadows eulogizing his friend,

Elijah Cummings,

what does this say about just

where we are and justpolitics in Washington?

- Well I think things arereally polarized right now

so it is nice that in moments like these

politicians can come together

and show that they have friendships

on both sides of the isle.

And he was a giant obviously

so it's a nice thing to see.

- Caitlin, we alwaysappreciate having you here.

Thank you so much for being here.

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Well to say President Trump has critics

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Jenna, just scrolling through Twitter

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- Yeah, quite a few, but in her new book

Kimberly Strassel saysthat's bad for America.

It's called Resistance At All Costs

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And this week the veteranWall Street journalist

came to CBN News and satdown with David Brody.

- Here's part of that conversation.

- The Resistance,

you know at the beginning,

it's very interesting,

you kind of have a delineation point

between just hating Trump

and this idea of The Resistance.

So explain a little bit about

who you're talking about

when you talk about The Resistance.

- Well I used that subtitle of the book

very deliberately,

How Trump Haters Are Breaking America,

because I wanted to make a distinction

between people who aresimply Trump critics.

And you know in my mindevery thinking person,

they look at a presidency

and there's gonna be things

that they like,

there's gonna be thingsthat they don't like.

And in fact as citizens of the country

I think we have an obligation

to think critically aboutour elected leaders.

The haters are something different.

These were the folkswho from the very moment

Donald Trump was elected

they viewed him as illegitimate

and occupying that office,

and that they were therefore,

in extension, allowed to take any actions

they wanted to get rid of him.

- You know, I'm wondering,you have so much,

I don't even know where to begin,

but why don't we talk about

some of the middle chapters of the book

because J. Edgar Comey,

and of course Mueller.

Tell me, I mean no reasonto relitigate the history

of it 'cause I think a lot

of folks at least have a sense of it,

though you do a greatjob laying it all out.

But what is kind of the underlying

resistance part of this

that people need to understand

as to what was at play

and why Trump feels likethis is a witch hunt

and what you wanted to expose in the book.

- So one of the thingsI try to do in this book

is relate what happenedover the last three years,

but also relate the ways in which

The Resistance have crossed boundaries,

undermined our institutions,

and to actually delineate them.

Say this was a rule thatwe were supposed to observe

and it got broken.

And I make the case in the book

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and one of the first examples

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it is still astonishing to me

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into a presidential campaign.

I mean this is beyond allreasonable things you do.

- You know what's fascinatingto me in the book,

we all know about liberal judges,

but you call them resistance judges.

(laughing)

I love the term, by the way.

- [Kimberly] Thank you.

- Of course you mentioned Ginsburg

and some of what she had to say,

and Supreme Court Judge John Paul Stevens,

or former Supreme Court Judge.

And then of course the travel ban drama

which was all sorts of judges

in essence kind

of going outside the purview, if you will.

Talk to me a little bitabout resistance judges

as part of this movement.

- So (mumbles) always known

that there are conservative justices

and liberal justices.

And that doesn't, there'snothing unusual about that.

What's been really unusualsince Trump became president

is judges who have been willingto go beyond differences

in ideology and actuallybreak longstanding

judicial norms.

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They're ignoring all of this stuff

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- A lot of norms,

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he violates a lot of norms,

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Explain a little bit about that.

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