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- [News Anchor] A Christiandoctor in the United Kingdom

lost his job and now alawsuit to keep his job.

It all happened becausehe held a biblical view

of males and females.

Dr. David Mackereth workedfor the British government

as a disability benefits assessor

and a judge just ruled thatDr. Mackereth's refusal

to call a bearded man madam was qoute

incompatible with human dignity.

Well here to set us straight on his firing

and the court rulingis Dr. David Mackereth.

Dr. Mackereth please explainto us why you refused

to refer to a bearded man, Iguess a transsexual, as madam.

- I'm a Christian and a doctor.

First of all as a ChristianI believe God has made us

male and female.

And it's an extremelyimportant part of his creation.

And that we can't change sex.

I believe you can't change sex

because God has made us male and female,

but also it's entirely unscientific

to say that we can change sex.

- Well how did the person andyour fellow workers respond

when you said "No I willnot call you madam."?

- It's more difficult for me

to talk about the people at the DWP,

but if I talk about my work in the NHS,

there are a lot of people I work with,

not necessarily Christians,

who are very supportive of what I've said.

- Well what are they telling you?

- There's a feeling here I believe

that not just myselfbut all of us are having

our consciences forced.

And people are afraid to speak up.

There's something of a climate of fear.

And I'm going to be perfectly honest,

I think that some ofthe people I've spoken

to at work have beenthrilled that somebody

has spoken up and takenthe stand that I have.

And there is a sense in which I'm saying

what everybody would like to say,

but many people are too afraid to say.

- You filed a lawsuit,Christian Legal Center

represented you.

What was your defense?

- My defense is that as aChristian in good conscience

I simply can't do that.

That to do that would be to lieand lying is a terrible sin.

- People here in the U.S. don't realize

that in Great Britain the country does not

guarantee free speech norfreedom of expression.

We have it in out FirstAmendment to our Constitution

but you don't have itthere. Is that correct?

- I would argue that assomebody who's lived here

for my whole life that I felt that I had

freedom of speech with some fears for it

until the court judgment.

And now I think I don'thave freedom of speech.

- If you don't have it in the Constitution

then it isn't guaranteed.

I guess the government then can decide

that it can change over time.

Speech can change.

Certain speech can be allowed,

not allowed over time, correct?

How do you feel about that? (laughs)

- I believe that although we don't

have a written Constitution

there is quite a fewpeople who is pointing out

that the Bible undergirdsour Constitution,

and the truth of the Scriptures.

So for a judge to throwout the Bible effectively

and say that it's not relevant

and it's against human dignity

is an astonishing ruling.

- Some people think it'sthe judge playing God

or overruling God on his creation.

How do you feel about that as a doctor?

- I was shocked by the judgment

and the things that it says.

It certainly seems to besaying that there's no place

for Christianity in modern Britain

and as a Christian Ibelieve with all my heart

that Christianity and the Gospel

are the best message for modern Britain

and I don't think that as Christians

we are the enemy of the people

I believe that we are the ones who are

to be salt and light.

So I'm astonished at the judge's ruling.

- Is it all about feelingsand being a good Christian,

loving people and allowing them

to be called whatever they want?

- Well of course asChristians we are commanded

to love all people and with Christian love

and that we are determined to do.

There was no desire here to upset

or offend anybody, butwe can never love people

by supporting and promoting a lie.

- So you really believethis is a lie then?

- I don't believe a person can change sex,

and I would challenge my profession

and any doctor anywhere in the world,

any philosopher, any researcher to prove

that a person can change sex.

It is impossible.

- [News Anchor] What are the chances

of you winning an appeal?

- I think we would agree that the stakes

are getting very high here.

We have to appeal, we have to go forward

and I as a Christian am determined

to go forward no matter what.

I have to, I cannot dowhat they are telling me

I have to do, and my legal team are

in agreement with this,

these wonderful people thathave been working with me.

- Some people would say that it seems

like the British Governmentis becoming Orwellian

in trying to tell you whatto say, what to think.

Do you think it's getting to that point

there in the U.K.

- That's a good question as well.

Some of us because of Brexitand because judges are now

overruling the politicians and everything.

Some of us aren't even surewhat the British Government

is anymore.

- Finally why do youthink God has allowed this

to happen to you Dr. Mackereth?

What is your message for others?

- Well the first thingis that there was a lot

of soul searching before I did this.

It didn't just happen without some warning

and prayerfulness and my desire

was to be faithful tothe Lord Jesus Christ,

and at that moment I knewthat if I simply gave in

that my fellowship with heLord Jesus would be breached,

and that I would do something that was

dishonoring to him, andhe gave me the strength

to take that stand.

Now I'm determined to continue standing.

It mat become very costly indeed,

but I'm determined to continue standing,

but I remain entirelydependent on the grace of God,

but we must fight this battle.

We can't walk away fromit, we're all involved now.

- Okay, standing for yourfaith in the United Kingdom,

Dr. David Mackereth thank youfor setting us straight today.

God bless you.

- Thank you very much.