- [Gordon] It started with a glimpse.

- I can still remember thatfirst image that I looked at.

- [Gordon] An image thatled to an encounter.

- It opened my mind up to a world

that I had never been exposed to.

- [Gordon] One man's hidden life.

- [Brady] I had a hookup with a gentleman

that I'd met on the beach.

- And what happened whenhis secret was exposed

on today's 700 Club Interactive.

(tenuous music)

Welcome to the show.

Kristen Waggoner is a senior VP at a firm

the Washington Post calls theChristian Legal Powerhouse.

She and her team haveargued and won many cases

in front of the Supreme Court.

- One of those cases includesthe high-profile victory

from Masterpiece Cakeshop.

Kristen has long-wanted tofight for religious freedom,

and she learned how to do that

by attending Regent University.

- [Narrator] In 2017, Kristen Waggoner

would again find herselfarguing a controversial case

before the Supreme Courtin Masterpiece Cakeshop

versus the ColoradoCivil Rights Commission.

Shop owner Jack Phillips had been ordered

by the state of Coloradoto make wedding cakes

for same-sex couples.

That went against his Christian beliefs.

- The principle at stake in Masterpiece

is whether an American anda creative professional

can be forced to speak a message

that violates their convictions.

- [Narrator] Since 2013,Kristen has been a lawyer

at the Alliance Defending Freedom.

She's now the senior vicepresident of the legal division.

But before she launched her career,

she wanted a solid, biblical-basededucation in the law.

- And so for me, theonly option was Regent,

and I didn't apply anywhere else.

I wanted to go to Regent.

- [Narrator] Kristen says shealways knew God had a purpose

for her life.

- When I was growing up, mydad had told me time and again

that if you miss whatGod has called you to do,

that you've basically missedthe purpose for your life.

And that true joy and fulfillment comes

from living a life designedto give glory to God.

- [Narrator] She foundher calling to go into law

at a church youth camp.

- And I wrote it down, so it's,

I've got it written out ona page of notebook paper

that I wrote when I was 13.

And it's framed and sitting by my bed.

A lot of it is abouthow hard that it will be

to pursue this calling,but that it's to focus

on the next generation andto protect religious freedom

for Christian schoolsand religious ministries.

Essentially, it's to keepthe door open for the gospel.

- [Narrator] After gettingher undergraduate degree

at Northwest University,Kristen had her choice

of law schools, but for her purposes

Regent Law School was the clear choice.

- That first year of lawschool was phenomenal.

I mean, just the way thatwe studied what the law is

and where did that come from,looking in the Old Testament,

in the New Testament.

I obviously have workedwith a number of lawyers

that have gone to Ivy League schools.

They don't get that intheir legal education,

and it was pivotal for me.

- [Narrator] After graduatingmagna cum laude from Regent,

Kristen went on to a judicial clerkship

in the Washington State Supreme Court.

- The other clerks they had were

from very big well-known schools,

many of them the Ivy League schools.

And what I quickly found was I felt

like I had had a better education

because they didn't know whatthe common law really was.

They didn't know where the law came from,

what the foundation of it was,

what purposes it should serve.

So I felt, not only as prepared as others,

but even better prepared in all respects

when I entered the marketplace.

- [Narrator] After sometime at a prestigious firm

in Seattle, Kristen took a position

at Alliance Defending Freedom, or ADF,

to fulfill God's calling and stand up

for religious freedom cases full time.

- We have lawyers that have graduated

from many of the Ivy League schools

and yet, time and again, the Regent grads,

they just excel in what they do,

and not only in the qualityof their legal work,

but in the tenacity with which they do it.

- [Narrator] In her six-plus years at ADF,

she and her team have won eight cases

before the Supreme Court,

including the Masterpiece Cakeshop case,

one of the biggest cases of her career.

- When you meet people like Jack Phillips,

it's the greatest.

It's the greatestprivilege to get to stand

by someone like that,

because you see the horrendous pressure

that's being put on them,the political pressure.

I would call him and he wouldhave just gotten off the phone

from having a death threat.

And so no matter whatkind of pressure we take

as the lawyers, to standby people like that,

how could you not be wanting to do that

and stand before the Court?

- [Narrator] Kristen continuesto pursue her calling

with passion and excellence,

built on the foundation shereceived at Regent Law School.

- Every day I try topray, not only for myself,

but for my team, four things:

that we would have wisdom,that we would have fortitude,

that we would have self-discipline,

and that we would have joy.

I can't imagine doingwhat I do without knowing

that Christ goes before us

and that ultimately thevictory is not up to me.

Otherwise, it just seemsthat it's an overwhelming job

that we're not capable of.

And we're not capable of it,but God knows what we need.

- Well, there's a lookbehind the headlines

to see the personalities involved.

And hats off to AllianceDefending Freedom.

Also, hats off to Kristen Waggoner.

What a incredible life story to say,

"This is what I want to do,

"this is what I want to do with my life.

"I want to stand in the gap."

And she took the time to say,

"How do I get properly preparedfor what I want to do?"

And she took those steps.

But what an amazing back story

and what it is to say, "Howdo we defend religious freedom

"in today's culture?"

Unfortunately, I don'tthink that cake case

out of Colorado is going tobe the end of the matter.

We're going to see again andagain and again challenges

brought to freedom of conscience,

that are you now going tobe required by the state

to violate your conscience?

We're going to see this again.

The challenges continue.

The challenges continue for thebaker involved in that case.

- Yeah, boy, makes yougrateful that quality people

like Kristen are in positionto defend people of faith.

And that understanding of the beginning,

the origin of the law, is crucial.

And not many people have that background,

that understanding,but then to have people

that you're arguing cases with

who don't have it must be...

You need tenacity (laughing)- Yeah.

- In Western civilization,- and discipline.

- and this isn't wellknown, but all of our roots

of law go back to the Torah.

That is the foundational document

for all jurisprudence in America today.

And then that was thefoundational document

for British common law.

They would routinely lookto the Bible for guidance.

- Yeah, let's do that again (laughs).

Well, Regent's goal is to produce leaders

in constitutional law.

Graduates from the programare practicing in 49 states

and more than 20 countries.

So if you'd like more information,

here's the number tocall, it's 1-866-910-7615,

or you can visit www.regent.edu.

- And let me underlineit's not too late to apply.

They're taking applications

for the class entering this September,

so you can apply and be admitted now.

Well, the ark of thecovenant inspired filmmakers

and archeologists alikein search of the answer

to the question, "Whathappened to the treasures

"of the second temple?"

You'll find the answer tothat question in our new DVD.

Take a look.

(slow mysterious music)

The Jewish treasures remainedin Rome's Temple of Peace

until 455, when the Vandals invaded Rome

and emptied its treasury.

- They will come from theircapital, which was Carthage.

They come to Rome and theystart to loot the city

to take all the marbles,all the treasures,

whatever they could,hence the name vandalism

when we want to speak about a destruction.

I don't know if theyreally knew what they were

from the point of spiritual point of view.

- With Rome in ruinsthe Vandals sailed home

to Carthage in North Africa.

And historians say they tookthe Jewish treasure with them.

Procopius writes thatthe leader of the Vandals

placed an exceedingly great amount of gold

and other imperial treasure in his ships

and sailed to Carthage.

And among these were thetreasures of the Jews.

(rhythmic percussive music)

- [Announcer] Get your copy

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- Well, it's a greatmystery of what happened

to the temple articles.

I'm talking about the gold menorah,

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that were in the temple,within the temple.

The Romans took them as trophies.

They didn't melt them down and sell them.

They put them in a templeof their own in Rome.

Then it was looted, andit went to Carthage.

And then Carthage was conqueredand went to Constantinople.

And then a Christian emperorsaid, "Well, these belong

"back in Jerusalem."

So where are they today?

Well, if you want theanswer, get your DVD,

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So if you'd like to be a part of it,

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Say, "I'd like to have Temple Treasure."

Or you can go to cbn.com/treasure, Terry?

- Well up next, from Compton to Oxford,

the improbable story of one man's journey

from poverty to the pinnacleof academic achievement.

Don't go away.

(upbeat inspirational music)

Hello, we all enjoyagainst-all-odds story,

but amidst the unlikely talesyou might hear or see on TV,

there's a difference between improbable

and miraculous (chuckling).

Well our guest today wouldn't be here

without some divine intervention.

Take a look.

- [Narrator] Caylin Moore defied the odds

as a kid growing up in Compton.

He would become a prestigiousRhodes Scholar at Oxford.

But his journey to get there

was nothing short of miraculous.

- You have to dreamdreams that are so big.

You have to dream dreams that are so big,

so unimaginable, sounfathomable, so unrealistic,

that they are destined to failwithout divine intervention.

- [Narrator] In hisbook, "A Dream Too Big"

Caylin shares how his pursuit of hope

and unflinching faith in God,

helped him overcome tremendous adversity,

and how you can too.

(upbeat contemporary music)

- Caylin joins us now.

It's nice to have youon the program today.

- Thank you, it's my pleasure to be here.

- Your mother said that your family

was sort of like the Huxtables,

and then things just kindof exploded and fell apart.

And you found yourself in Compton,

what was that like for you?

- It was just a stark contrastbetween what I experienced

in upper middle-class area.

My parents were married for nine years.

Then after they divorced,

now you hear gunshots at nighttime,

and you're getting used to hearing rats

and roaches in the wall.

It was hard to deal with as a kid.

- Your mom was an amazing lady.

I mean, she had the abilityto implant in your heart

and in your mind the ability

that you could bewhatever you wanted to be,

not where you were.

That's a hard thing to teach a child.

- I think it is difficult,

but it takes a lot of role-modeling.

So my mom, despite all of her struggles,

she went back to law school,

and she graduated from lawschool during this time period.

So that set a certain type of example.

And for me,- Yeah (chuckling)!

- I inherited that beliefin myself and that faith

from my mom.

- You outline in thebook how difficult it was

to hang onto that belief, Caylin.

You had everything, everythingworking against you, really.

I mean, your safety in thearea that you lived in,

the fear that you dealtwith because of that,

even teachers, coaches, peoplewho should've been inspiring

and calling you to a higher place

were sort of saying, "Whodo you think you are?"

- How'd you deal with that?

- I think I have to havethat faith, as I said,

the same type of faith thatI inherited from my mom.

She always showed us thatwe may live in the hood,

but the hood does not have to live in us.

So it kinda put me ina mindset that I need

to see beyond these things.

I need to know thathurt people hurt people.

So even if people are putting me down

or telling me that I can't be something,

I need to know that theyprobably went through things,

and they weren't able tobecome what they became

for whatever reason, so Ineed to see beyond that.

- You had a kind of a gritty determination

that worked on yourbehalf, that you'd like

to think every young person that lives

in difficult circumstanceswould grab hold of.

But your work ethic is unbelievable!

I mean, as I'm reading your book,

I'm thinking, "I don't knowthat I would of done that!"

(both laughing)He's doing it.

There were times that you got discouraged.

How did you pull yourselfup by the bootstraps

and say, no, we're gonnakeep going forward?

- Well, where I come fromquitting is not an option.

A lot of times I think kids can get

in a difficult circumstanceand say, "I'm gonna quit,

"and I'm gonna go back home"or, "go to mom's basement."

We didn't have a basementand there was nowhere to go.

I would be sleeping onthe floor in a garage.

So I told myself that even ifI quit, or if I wanna give up,

there's nowhere to go to, so Ineed to find something within

and find something above to hold on to

in order to push me forward.

- How did you make college a reality?

- (laughs) A lot of hardwork, a lot of mentorship,

a lot of opportunitiesthat I was afforded that,

unfortunately, in a veryunderfunded, under-resourced area,

a lot of other kidsdidn't get those chances.

- It seemed like yourantenna were up all the time

going, "Where's the opportunity?

"Where's the opportunity, aha?"

And then you dug in witheverything that you had

even going into the NCAADivision One Football arena.

You had an opportunityto be successful there

for your parents to see you play.

I mean, that was miraculous,

really.- (chuckles) It really was.

Just as you said, I alwayshad to have antennas up

about the next opportunity,

because I knew they wouldn't come

through my front door very often.

I remember going to the college.

And the first week of schoolI put on a shirt and tie,

similar to this, and I wentto every office on campus.

And I said, "Hello, myname is Caylin Moore.

"Do you have any opportunitiesfor me to better myself?"

Because I was comingfrom such a low position

that I was, like, you know,

if someone could just teach me something

anywhere on this campus,I wanna benefit from that.

- When I read your book,I mean, I wanna mention

so that we get all of this in,

because you need to read the book.

It's an amazing book.

But you went then fromyour career academically

on to become a Rhodes Scholar.

I mean, that would have seemedimpossible to most people,

most people, people who hadn't come

from where you'd come from.

What did you think (chuckling)

when they announced your name?

- When they announced, "Caylin Moore,

"you are a 2017 RhodesScholar from District,"

whichever district it was,I just, immediately I stood.

I remember I stood still,in place, in my shoes.

And I just looked at my shoes,

and I stood there for about 37 seconds.

And the reason why isthat if I stepped forward

to shake the woman'shand of congratulations,

that would be me acceptingthat anything was possible.

And for 37 seconds I wasn'tready to deal with that yet.

- Wow, but it was possible.

What would you say to youngpeople who might be watching,

not even young people.

There are people at any phase of life

where life kind of beats youdown and says, "No, you won't."

What advice would you give them

to really stand up, strapthemselves up again,

and head for the future?

- Right, I would say as difficult

as the circumstances may be,

I encourage anyone going through anything

to hold onto that faith in things unseen.

Because I know for a fact thatthere is a brighter tomorrow.

I have to believe this.

- And you're still pursuing

your brighter tomorrow.- Yeah (laughs).

- What's next for you?

You're getting a PhD,

you hope.- Yeah,

I'm applying to PhD programs in the fall,

so my hope is to become atenured professor somewhere

in studying sociology soI can help change some

of these issues that Italk about in the book.

- Let's take back academia.

(both laughing)Please.

Well, Caylin's book iscalled "A Dream Too Big."

It's the story of an improbable journey

from Compton to Oxford.

It's awesome, you've gottapick it up and read it,

not just for yourself, pass it on

to somebody else who needs it, thank you.

- Thank you.- Great story.

- Yes, ma'am, thank you.- Gordon?

- Brady and his wife went to Hawaii

for their 10th anniversary.

And while there, Brady wenttrolling the beaches for men.

Brady had tried to keephis desires under wraps,

but he knew he wouldn't be ableto keep it a secret forever.

- It was really a cycleof going through guilt

and conviction and thenhaving all these desires.

And so I'll feed thosedesires and then crashing down

with guilt and conviction again.

It was just a rollercoaster.

- [Narrator] Brady Rand was 12

when he was first exposed to pornography.

- One of my friends,he had taken a magazine

from his dad's collection.

And even to this day, I canstill remember that first image

that I looked at.

It opened my mind up to a world

that I had never been exposed to.

And so I really wantedto just explore that.

- [Narrator] Not long after that,

Brady and another male friend

had their first sexual encounter.

- We began talking about sex,

and then eventually wedid start experimenting

with each other.

It occurred to me thatI should probably talk

to somebody about this.

But I never did, just out offear of what they would think,

fear of what my parents would think.

- [Narrator] After highschool, he joined the Navy.

- I had been stationed in Hawaii.

My desires to be with othermen really kind of amped up

at that point.

And there's a lot of opportunities.

There's different bars andthere's different hangouts

and those kind of things.

- [Narrator] Brady's promiscuitywas always in conflict

with his Christian upbringing.

- God was convicting me during those times

and trying to let me know,"Hey, this isn't the right way."

But after that guilt and thoseconvictions would wear off,

it'd become more and more difficult

to abstain from those things.

- [Narrator] Brady wasdischarged from the service

and returned to Oklahoma,

where he married hishigh school sweetheart.

And they had two children.

All the while, Brady kepthis secret life hidden.

- I loved my first wifewith my whole heart.

I believed that if I married this woman,

if I had this woman withme every day of my life,

maybe that would helpstave off this desire.

- [Narrator] For many yearsBrady was faithful to his wife

and stayed active in his church.

But in 2006, the couple made plans

to celebrate their tenth anniversary.

- We'd planned aneight-day trip to Hawaii.

And I should have recognized

that that was gonna be a trigger for me.

It was probably about threeor four days into our trip.

I went back to that firstgay beach that I had gone to,

back whenever I had first moved to Hawaii.

And I had a hookup with a gentleman

that I'd met on the beach.

- [Narrator] That trip setBrady back on his old pattern

for several more years.

- I had gone six yearswithout cheating on my wife.

I had made this commitmentto God that I had now broken.

Whenever we got back from our trip,

I kind of had this mindset

of I just didn't reallycare anymore about that

and about suppressing that.

I had gotten my first desktopcomputer and, of course,

that just opens up a whole new world

as far as pornography is concerned.

And I did kind of go into this deep hole

of pornography and just kindof buried myself in that.

I started meeting other men.

- [Narrator] Brady and his wife

began attending a differentchurch, despite the fact

that her health begandeteriorating from diabetes.

- She wanted to be at church.

- She knew that she wasn'tgonna be here a lot longer,

and she wanted to make the most of it.

- [Narrator] Brady'sPastor then invited him

to attend a conference.

- I really had reachedthis point of hopelessness.

I would have thoughtsof suicide just because

of that despair and justthat guilt that I had felt.

I had really stopped hearing from God,

and I wasn't able tohear his voice anymore.

All of a sudden, I felt this desire

to go to the conference,that I needed to be there.

And looking back at thatmoment, I know that it was God.

It was the Holy Spirit.

- [Narrator] Brady's lifechanged forever that weekend.

- I'd never been to a prayer conference.

And Pastor Cory Jones, thatwas one of his conferences.

He's felt led to just bringthe church back to praying

and back to a commitment ofreally crying out to God.

And that's what his conference was about.

- [Narrator] At onepoint in the conference,

Brady felt a hand on his shoulder.

- I connected eyes with the pastor.

Within about 25 or 30 seconds,he was standing next to me.

And he had his hand on my shoulder,

and he had just begun to pray over me.

He said that whenever he was sitting there

on the stage looking out at the crowd,

that my face was the onlyface that he could see,

that everything elsewas kinda blurred out.

And God told Pastor Cory,"I want you to go and pray

"that he would be filled with the Spirit."

For the first time in my life I began

to feel the manifestpresence of the Holy Spirit

just falling on me.

And it was a powerful, powerful thing.

And all of that sin, Icould literally feel it

leaving my body.

And it was in thatmoment that I just began

to weep uncontrollably,

just tears pouring out of my face.

And it was maybe about ten seconds later

I realized that sin that Ihad asked God for 26 years

to take out of my life, I couldfeel that leaving my body,

literally leaving my body.

And at that point I beganto laugh uncontrollably

because I was so happy,and I was so excited

to finally be free of this.

And I knew that it was authentic.

I knew that this was an actual encounter

with the Holy Spirit, with God.

- [Narrator] Brady startedbeing discipled at his church

and has never looked back.

- The freedom that Ifelt from that encounter

with the Holy Spirit was life changing.

I knew that this was forever.

It's not just somethingthat I did on my own.

- [Narrator] Sadly, Brady'sfirst wife passed away in 2014

as a result of complicationsfrom her diabetes.

Two years later, Brady married Raquel.

They now have a blended family of four

and are both involved in ministry.

- If I could say anything to anybody

that's struggling today withthat, maybe suicidal thoughts,

or maybe just depression,or maybe just hopelessness,

I want them to know that Jesus is real,

that Jesus is still in thebusiness of changing people,

that he cares about you deeply.

And there is true freedomthat's available to them.

Just don't give up on hope.

- Don't give up on hope,

because hope is alwaysthere for you, it's eternal.

He is the God of all hope.

I think many people are like Brady.

You grew up Christian.

And then for whateverreason you get involved

with what the Bible calls a besetting sin.

It just seems to be a recurring pattern,

the compulsion that you can't get free of.

And sexual recurring sin are the ones

that literally the Biblesays like putting hot coals

into your chest.

It separates you from God.

That's what the Bible says.

Sin always separates you.

And whether that sinis a recurring problem

with pornography, whetherit's fornication, adultery,

any of the list of sexual sins,

the Bible says avoid these at all cost.

And even in the New Testament era,

that is the one thing theyavoid, sexual immorality.

Avoid idolatry, avoid sexual immorality.

These are the things that separate you.

And when you look atthe history of Israel,

when the Israelites wouldengage in sexual immorality,

whether that was around the golden calf

or with the people from Midian,

it separated, and it kindled God's anger.

But what's also kindledis his love and his mercy

and his guidance.

And so here he prompts Brady,

"Go to this prayer conference."

At the conference, he promptsa pastor, "Pray for him."

And the blessing to be prayer for,

the blessing of theindwelling of the Holy Spirit,

that God wanted that prayer for Brady,

wanted him to be filled with the Spirit,

wanted him to have theweight of sin removed

from his life.

If you want this, if youwant to be free, truly free,

not something the world manufactures,

but something divinewhere the weight of sin

is lifted off of you.

Pray with me and let God do all the rest.

Jesus, that's right, say his name.

Say it out loud, Jesus, I come to you,

and you know the sinthat weighs on my heart.

Jesus, I turn from it now.

And I ask that you fillme with your Spirit

so my desires are replacedby a desire for you.

Cleanse me, make me new,

for I ask it in Jesus' name, amen.

If you prayed with me,

give me a call and letme know, 1-800-700-7000.

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God bless you.(upbeat contemporary music)