Michael and Lauren McAfee are millennials challenging a new generation to reevaluate how they view the Bible.
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- Today, young people aremore skeptical about the Bible
than any previous generationin our nation's history.
Only 30% of millennials believe the Bible
is the inspired and inerrant Word of God,
and only 9% read it daily.
Well that promptedMichael and Lauren McAfee
to issue a challenge totheir fellow millennials:
read the Bible and let it standor fall on its own merits.
Take a look.
(uplifting piano music)
- [Narrator] Lauren McAfee isthe daughter of Steve Green,
founder of Museum of theBible in Washington, DC,
and president of Hobby Lobby.
Together, she and her husband Michael
are passionate about the Bible.
But as millennials, they understand
why so many of their peers feelthe Bible no longer applies
to the modern-day life.
In their book, Not What You Think,
Michael and Lauren take a closer look
at the most controversial book in history,
and explore its role in thefuture for this generation.
- Please welcome to the 700Club Lauren and Michael McAfee,
it's great to have the two of your here.
- Thanks for havin' us.- Thanks.
- Michael, the title of yourbook is Not What You Think.
What do most millennialsthink about the Bible?
- Yeah, the majority would view the Bible,
we talk about in the book,in a few different ways.
Some view it as a rule book,and so it's just a book
of morality, that's the majority view
of people that aren't reading the Bible.
Some view it as justa book of inspiration,
and so you can sort oftake the parts you want,
and leave the parts you don't like.
And some view it as littlemore than a fairy tale,
it's just a book of literature.
- So you have found thatthis is generic feeling
amongst millennials, that they fall
into one of these categories,
and the one you say is thegreatest is simply a rule book.
In our moral culturetoday, not real popular
to have a rule book, I guess, for people.
So how do you present adifferent message, Lauren?
- So in the book, we try andhighlight the meta-narrative
of the Bible, the overarching story.
I can feel that there arejust many segmented stories
in the Bible, and not easyto have a big understanding
of what is this all about.
So we try and highlight the significance
of the broad story, andeverything points to Jesus.
And that whenever we viewthe Bible in the lens
of looking at everythingpointing to Jesus,
both from the Old Testamentand then the New Testament,
that brings to life whatthe Bible is really about,
which is about a relationship with God.
- You were both raised instrong Christian families,
but I know there wasa time for both of you
where you wondered what thebook meant to each of you.
How did you come to a place of determining
that it was the Word of God,and that it was all about Jesus
as you say, and that youneeded to pay attention to it?
- Yeah, we needed to ask questions,
and so we both chose to put ourselves
in a secular university context,
because we wanted to putourselves in the fire.
And so as we did, it refined our faith,
it caused us to lean bothon our pastors and parents,
and people that we love, toask those hard questions,
and thankfully, they were willing
to allow us to ask those hard questions,
and to walk with us on the journey.
And so Not What You Think was our attempt
to help others along that same journey,
to ask the hard questions we need to ask
to own our faith for ourselves.
- So was that how it went for both of you?
- It was, so we both wentto the same university,
and got the same degree, andso we had this experience
at the same school, kind ofwrestling in the same season
of coming to terms with our own faith
and the questions that ourprofessors were posing to us.
We write about some ofthe specific lectures
that really were discrediting the Bible,
and us having to wrestle through that
and come to terms with,okay, what does this mean
about the Bible, and what dowe believe about the Bible?
- There was a time in ourcountry where it was accepted
that the Bible was theinerrant Word of God,
almost every family had onesomewhere in their bookshelf,
but over time, we've almost,because we have such...
Availability of the Scriptures,
we take it so for granted, even...
Not considering it at all.
The Bible Museum is an amazing place.
I had the opportunity tovisit last fall, and I was...
I walked away just withmy jaw dropping down.
What your family has accumulated
and put together there is astonishing.
What impact do you wantthat to have on the country?
Because it's a legacy,it's a treasure, really.
- Yeah, we hope that both through the book
and through the museum that what happens
is that people are encouragedto engage in the Bible.
That's what we really hope,
is that as millennials read this book,
or as individuals walk through the museum,
they walk away readingthe Bible for themselves
and engaging with whatGod is teaching them
through the Scripture.
- It's important for us all to do that,
but millennials, it'sespecially important for, why?
- Well we have a lot ofoptimism for our generation,
so there are a lot of--
- [Terry] I like that, Michael. (laughs)
- There's a lot ofcriticism for millennials,
and we're making the samemistakes young adults have made
for centuries, we're just doing it louder
because of social media.
But there's a lot ofcompassion and care for people,
and so part of what we wantedto do with Not What You Think
is say, hey, you care for the poor,
you care for the outcast,you have this passion
for social justice, all ofthese themes are in the Bible,
and so you might be surprised to find
that the Bible is not what you expected,
but everything you need.
- Actually, many of thosethemes came from the Bible.
- Exactly.
- Over generations, it'snot just included in there.
- Yeah.- Right.
- It was the catalyst for a lot of that.
What suggestions do you have for people
who are gonna take you up on this,
and go to the Word, and explore?
Because I think that youcan be, as you said earlier,
off-track if you just come in
and don't understandthe overarching story,
so how do you suggest people do this?
- So we recommend a few things.
We recommend praying, being prayerful
as you go to the Bible.
Recognizing the significance of this book,
it's been around for thousands of years,
and it's still speaking today,
and so this is an incrediblebook to engage with.
So be prayerful, and then we think
that it's really helpful tostart in the New Testament,
but also to see the significance
of all of the Old Testament,
everything as it points to Jesus.
And then be open-minded, just to consider,
what does this bookhave to say to me today?
- Well speaking of thisbook, the subtitle is,
Why the Bible Might Be Nothing We Expected
Yet Everything We Need.
What do you think people expect
when they go to the Word ifthey haven't really been in it?
- Yeah, well again, themajority view of people
that aren't reading the Bibleis that it's this rule book,
and so there's a fear of,well, if I read this book,
it's gonna make me feel bad about myself
or someone else that I love.
But when you find the peoplethat are reading the Bible,
they view it as a way ofgrowing closer to God,
and so it does give you rules,
and then shows that weactually all broke the rules,
and the one man who kept them, Jesus,
died in our place, onthe cross, for our sin,
and rose to give us new life.
And so it gives us anew hope that we have,
and so then we do obey the rules,
but not as a way of earning God's love,
but because we love Him.
- You know, I grew up ina denomination that...
Was Christian, but didn'tencourage reading the Bible,
and I think I was like 20 or21 before I ever read the Word,
and in fact it was theWord that caught my heart
and opened my mind and my eyes.
There's power in reading this,
it's not just another book.
What are the greatestmisconceptions, other than rules?
Because I think one of things,
you talked about mercy and justice,
people struggle withthat in the world today.
- Yeah, we talk in the bookabout some of the common things
that can be barriers for our generation,
approaching the Bible thinkingthat it's just judgmental
because it's this book of rules,
or that it's oppressive tocertain groups of people,
and so we try and wrestle with that
through those with them, andshow them actually the Bible
is a book about loving God,who is engaging with us
as people, and hopefully takedown some of those barriers
that our generation has.
- Well I wanna say the bookis called Not What You Think.
By the way, it makes agreat graduation gift
this time of year, it's availablewherever books are sold,
and I also wanna say,if you haven't gotten
to Washington, DC, tosee the Bible Museum,
put it on your agenda, it isso worth your time and effort,
and actually would be great to read this,
and then go visit there. (laughs)
- Yeah, we'd love that.
- Thank you both, it'sgreat to have you here.
- Thanks for having us.- Thanks.
- And thanks to yourfamily for this great place
that they've given the country.