Former Trans Man and Former Lesbian Say Church Was Key in Setting Them Free: 'The Lord Can Heal Anyone'
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- Welcome to Prayer Linkeveryone, I'm Wendy Griffith.
- And I am Charlene Aaron.
It's great to be back with you today.
- How you doin'?
- I'm doing great.
We certainly had some major.
- Oh, my gosh.
- Horrific tragic newsright here in Virginia Beach
in our backyard.
- You know.
And everywhere you go now, yousee hashtag Virginia strong.
VB strong.
- [Charlene] That's who we are.
Because of God.
- And all you can do in a time like this
is cry out to God.
- What else can we do?
Fall to our knees and cry out to the Lord
and just continue to pray
for the families and thosewho are in the hospitals.
- Yes, four people.
- There were four peopleinjured in Virginia.
- Some of them critical,
so please continue to pray for those
who are in the hospitalrecovering right now
and, of course, for the entire city,
we covet your prayers right now.
- Absolutely.
- Well, speaking of the shooting,
that city of Virginia Beach
is hosting a special memorial service
for the victims of thecity's recent shooting.
12 people killed, four others wounded
last Friday when an employee walked
into a building at thecity's Municipal Center
and began shooting.
The gunman was killed aftera gunfight with police.
Virginia Beach Mayor Bobby Dyer is calling
the massacre an act of evil.
He told Gordon Robertson that although
the recovery from this tragedy will
be a lifelong process,prayer is essential.
- We have community herethat is going to embrace
and love and if there'sany time of prayer, Gordon,
now is the time for prayer.
- The memorial service will be held
at Rock Church in Virginia Beach.
Rock Church is on Kempsville Road.
That's at 7:30 p.m. and you can watch
our special coverage of this service
on the CBN News Channel.
Meanwhile OperationBlessing has set up a fund
to help the families ofthe victim of the shooting
and you can give by going tocbn.com/vbshootingvictims.
- Wow, well police in aGerman town have revealed
that a speeding driverwas spared a hefty fine
because of the Holy Spirit, that's right,
the Holy Spirit.
The Viersen motorist was traveling nearly
15 miles over the speedlimit and would have
been given a ticket,but a white dove, Wendy,
amazing, swooped in front of the driver
blocking the offender's face
and making it impossible to identify them.
A lighthearted police statement suggested
that perhaps quote it was no coincidence
that the Holy Spirit intervened.
In an official statement, the police said,
"We have understood thesign and leave the speeder
"in peace this time.
"We hope that theprotected speeder likewise
"understands this hint from above and
"drives appropriately in the future."
I had a difficult time even
reading that without chuckling.
- This happened in Germany?
- In Germany.
- Wow.
- And for the police to say,
"Acknowledging the Holy Spirit."
- That's amazing.
You know, but here theyget your license plate,
so they don't even need your face.
- They will send you that ticket honey.
- Yes, they will.
- You'll get it in the mail.
- Been there, done that.
Well an Iraqi Christiansays he experienced
a series of miracleswhile being persecuted
for his faith at the handsof Islamic extremists.
This Yazidi man wasinterviewed for a documentary
called "Heart and Hands, Iraq"
by singer and songwriter Sean Feucht.
The man was
imprisoned and torturedby ISIS for two months
and he tells Feucht there was pressure
from ISIS to convert to Islam,
but amidst the persecution he says
Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him.
Take a look.
(speaking foreign language)
- When they found out that he was?
- Yes.
- Following Jesus.
(speaking foreign language)
- That's crazy.
(speaking foreign language)
- Even they once, lasttime they put 20 gallons
of gas or oil.
(speaking foreign language)
Of kerosene over him.
- Over him.
(speaking foreign language)
- And even they burnedme and I didn't burn.
- Wow.
We were just blown away by the testimony.
- But I didn't burn, that's a miracle.
- Miraculous, totally miraculous.
Wow, God is still doing miracles
and here is an update to a miraculous
story that we told youabout a few weeks ago.
Back in April, Jacob Palmer was poised
to jump from a bridgehere in Virginia Beach
in an effort to end his life when
a good Samaritan intervened.
Collin Dozier sharedthe gospel with Palmer
and was able to pull him to safety
and the ministry has since continued
and Palmer was baptized last Sunday
at the Virginia Beach oceanfront.
And Dozier took part inthe special ceremony.
Palmer said that it was a day that he
will never forget.
I can't imagine him saying otherwise
and that he thanked Dozierfor showing him the way.
What an incredible story all around.
You just see God's hand just working
in the life of this young man.
God's got big plans for Jacob Palmer.
- He really, really does.
- God bless him.- He loves him.
- Well, for 14 yearsJanet Boynes lived life
as a lesbian.
She went from relationship to relationship
with other women.
- That's right, but in 1998,
after an encounter with God she walked
away from that lifestyle and today
she helps others in thehomosexual community
find healing and freedom.
Welcome to Prayer Link, Janet.
- Hey, thanks for having me.
There's nothing like lifting up
to the name of the Lord.
- Amen, sister.
And first of all, Janet, tell us about
your decision to getinvolved with a woman.
What motivated you to do that?
- You know I believe it was from
being raised in a family of seven kids,
four different fathers, watching my father
abuse my mother, beingraped by mother's husband
and then by an altar boy.
With that being said, I was not at a place
where I wanted to be in arelationship with a man.
When I was about to get married in 1985,
three months before I was supposed
to walk down the aisle,I called off my wedding
and walked away fromthe Lord for 14 years.
I was a Christian when I wentinto the homosexual life.
- Wow.- Wow.
- That is incredible, it's amazing.
What made you finally decideto leave that lifestyle?
What happened?
- You know, the Bible saidsin is fun for a season.
And after four or five years,
I was empty.
I was no longer enjoying myself.
I got involved in drugs
where I had to put myselfin treatment in 1989.
I became bulimic, was put in the hospital
where they even strappedoff the water fountains
in the bathroom so I wouldn't purge.
My life was taking a downward spiral.
But the Lord was working on my heart
and I would go past this church
in my particular area when I was living
with this one girl
and the Lord really spoke to me,
even when I was in the world
that you're gonna goto this church someday.
And I would say to my girlfriend,
"I'm gonna go to this church someday."
And she encouraged me togo, but I wasn't going
to this church.
So I had my own cleaning business
and I was doing, workingat this health club
called Lifetime Fitness.
And 3 o'clock in themorning I told my staff
I'm gonna go to the grocery store,
which I've never done a day in my life
after I put myself in treatmentand when I was going in,
this woman was coming out,
her name is Tammy Brown and we engaged
in a conversation andafter I shared with her
about my life, she invited me to church.
And it was the same church that the Lord
told me I would go toprior to meeting her.
It was Maple Road Assemblies of God
and that's where the church assisted me
and helped me to comeout of that lifestyle.
It was all the women in the church,
they were amazing.
- Wow.
Not a coincidence.
- Isn't that amazing?
Janet, you know, you walkedaway from the church,
but God never walked away from you and was
still speaking to you even when you were
in that lifestyle.
Tell us about your ministry now to others
who are trapped in thegay and lesbian lifestyle.
- You know we have a ministry that assists
and help men and women tohave a better understanding
of possibly why they went into that life.
A lot of people don't realize 85% of women
that live the life of homosexuality
have been molested.
Even Ellen DeGeneres isnow sharing her story
that she was molested.
Rosie O'Donnell, you know, was molested.
Many, you know, stars arestarting to talk about,
not that everybody goesinto a homosexual life.
But with me being molestedand having a better
understanding of what a lot of these women
and men went through,we want to do our best
to give them the toolsto fish for a lifetime.
So we want to assist them and help them
and get them with the right counselor,
get them involved in their church
and talk to churches around the country
as to how they can work with those
that are struggling.
I'm working with pastorsand ministry leaders
behind the scenes, assisting them in
how do they deal withtheir issue in their church
'cause what I found out is when
your image and yourinfluence and your income
is being determined by people like you,
people will be silent
when they should be speaking out.
And the church is silent because
it's having an impact on being threatened
by those in the gay community.
It's really sad to watch.
- Janet, isn't it interesting
that you can be a Christian,
you can be in that lifestyle,
but that molestation is the open door
that the enemy uses andif you don't deal with it,
at some point it seems like it does take
over your life.
Is that what happened to you?
- It is and I think if you don't deal with
any root of something, you will eventually
go back to it.
Once you get to the root,
I think we all heard you eventually
will start seeing fruit.
And I, for myself, when Iwas about to get married,
I never dealt with the molestation,
I never dealt with the abuse
that I went through at home.
I thought that I could deal with this
in a marriage and I couldn't.
I think that because I watched
my mother get abused, I thought going
into that marriage,maybe once I get into it,
I would start being abused and I think
I had a lot of fear, so once I came out
of the life 14 years later,
I thought it was time for me to get
the help that I neededand that's what I did.
- [Charlene] Wow.
- [Wendy] Amazing.
- Well, Janet, there is this sense
that when Christians speakout against homosexuality
that it means that they aren't loving.
You hear that, you know,Christians are mean.
What are your thoughtson this and what advice
do you have for the church on this issue?
- You know it's funny that you say that.
They don't really see a lotof us Christians being mean.
I'm not being mean to a gay community,
but you would never understand the
threats that we get viaemail or on Facebook
or on Twitter from the gay community.
If we don't support their view,
then they call us a bigot or a hater.
You know, we're not haters,
we're just trying to be kingdom advancers.
You know?
We would like to see people not walk
out of homosexualityinto a heterosexual life,
but we want to see them walk in holiness.
And so to the church, Ithink it's really important,
those that are strugglingwith homosexuality,
we can't close our doors
because the doctor is inside the church.
Not that you have to getthe help in the church,
but I believe that whenpeople are going to church,
and they're hearing the word of God,
which is sharper than a two-edged sword
and pierces the heart of the marrow,
I believe we're gonna see lives changed.
They need to be in church so that's
where we can help them the best.
- Absolutely.
- Good word, amazingministry that you have.
- Absolutely Janet Boynes.
Thank you so much foryour time and thank you
for the ministry thatGod is having you do.
It's really, really important and we'll be
praying for you, thank you.
- God bless you.
- Thanks for having me, God bless you.
- Well, coming up, he'sa towering 6 foot 4 man
who lived for two yearsas a woman named Scarlet.
Hear why this former transgender says
he is now transformed.
After this.
- I was Muslim for four years.
I had spells cast onme and just everything
you can think of.
I never got what I was looking for.
There was no real power to change my life.
I had tried everything.
It just came to a point where it was like,
you know what, I don'twant to do this anymore.
The little old lady at the church,
she'd come and get me.
She prayed for me and all I know is I felt
the love of God.
We would read from Genesis to Revelation
and we just went deep in the word of God.
Everything about me,even my very countenance
began to change after that point.
And now I just have a desire to see them
experience the loving kindness of God
that I have experienced.
To see that true change is possible
and that what you thoughtthat you were looking for
can only be found in Christ.
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- Welcome back to the Prayer Link.
Well, many recognizedJune as gay pride month
and with the recent push for legislation
to broaden anti-discriminationprotections,
for LGBTQ, there's a message being sent
that if you don't get on board
that you're a bigot and a hater.
- That's right.
We just heard that from ourformer guest, Janet Boynes,
but Jeffrey McCall istraveling to major cities
across the U.S. with a different message.
He once lived as a transgender woman
and is sharing how God'sgrace changed his life
and can change the lives of others
living the LGBTQ lifestyle.
He's also sharing hisstory in a new book called,
"For Such a Time as This, From Transgender
"to a Son of God."
He joins us now by Skype to share more.
Jeffrey, thank you so muchfor being with us today.
- Thank you for having me.
- Now Jeffrey, you'vegot quite the testimony
and you know, how did you first of all
make that decision to live as a woman?
- Well, my whole life growing up,
I always heard, you know, in my mind
that you're more feminine.
Even these homosexual relationships
with other men aren't working
because you're truly meant to be a woman.
And in 2014, I really pursued that idea
that that's what I truly was,
was a woman inside of a man's body.
- [Charlene] Wow, andat one point you lived
as the name Scarlet, you know,
you thought that's whoyou were created to be.
What changed for you?
What changed all of that?
- Well, the Holy Spiritreally just starting
convicting me and speaking to me.
I grew up in church,
but in my mind, God wasalways way out there
and we're here.
I never had any relationshippersonally with him
or knew him.
And so around 2016, I had an encounter
where I was living as Scarlet.
I was actually secretly listening also
to a pastor named Jensen Franklin.
I wouldn't go to church as Scarlet,
but I was listening to his messages
and then other things the Lord was doing
to really just show me the truth.
And after an encounter in my apartment
where I called out to God and I was just
weeping and crying and I said "God,"
I said, "Will I ever live for you?"
And I said, "I know Godthat there's something
"more than must church."
It's like something happenedin some people's lives
where they had joy and peace
and it was crystal clear.
All my thoughts, everything I was speaking
went silent and peacefuland I heard God say,
"Yes, you will live for me."
And that was like the firstseed of hope implanted
in me to go on to a new future.
- Jeffrey, while youwere living as Scarlet,
did you struggle with guilt or depression?
- Yes, I was very depressed.
I had thought aboutcommitting suicide at times.
It was just, the furtherI went into trying
to become Scarlet, the heavier it felt.
The more depressed I was,
I actually had some time
in a psychiatric part of the hospital
because of thoughts of suicide,
so yes, I was verydepressed living as Scarlet.
- Wow, you know you said you listened,
you were secretly listeningto Jensen Franklin.
What was it that he said thatreally resonated with you?
- Yeah.
- Well, it wasn't I guess just one thing.
I would just listen to him all the time
because I wasn't obviously gonna go
to church as Scarlet andduring that time period,
when I would listen tohim it was just so many
different things he said.
And I'll never get one message,Deep Wounds, Deep Healing,
and it talked about just such deep wounds
that sometimes we have and about the Lord
can heal them, and that was one message
that specifically spoke out to me,
to know that there wasa process of healing
the Lord could bring to any of us.
- Jeffrey, our lastguest was molested when
she was a young girland that's why she got
into the lesbian lifestyle,
which she's now out of.
Did something happen toyou that opened a door
to this lifestyle?
- There were multiple things.
I never was like physically molested
or raped when I was young,but an older gentleman
in my family would repeatedly like
expose parts of his body anddifferent things like that
and that brought a confusion.
Also at a very early agemy parents were divorced.
And I heard my mother talking about my dad
had committed adultery onher and so in that, too,
I was just like wait a minute,
this is what men do to women,
I don't want to do that.
It was just like one thing after another
that my little tiny young toddler brain
couldn't understandand the enemy used that
to confuse me and deceive me,
so there several things that led up
to my identity and homosexuality.
- Right.- Wow.
- Well, Jeffrey, you are now the founder
of the Freedom March,an event where people
who have left the LGBTQ lifestyle testify
about how God has transformed their lives.
Why did you decide to start that?
- I was actually at another event.
I was asked to share mytestimony in D.C. in 2017
and while I was there,I just thought I said
everyone in this country is marking
and doing all these thingsfor what they believe in.
I said we need to havea place where people
who left LGBTQ lifestylescan share their testimonies
of leaving that to follow Jesus Christ.
And I know that sometimes the church
gets uncomfortable or triesto push these testimonies
a little bit to the backand I know the world
won't share the testimony,so when no one's
helping you, you gotta do it yourselves.
So I just did it myself and started it
and every year they've grown more and more
and there are more and more testimonies
at the Freedom Marches of people
that have left these lifestyles.
- Amen, and not only areyou doing the marches,
but you have a new book out"For Such a Time as This."
Talks about your journey.
What motivated you to write about it?
- Yeah, I just want to say real quick
the for book is called, "For Such a Time."
I just don't want anyone to get confused.
There's no as this on the end of it,
but yes, I have written a book called,
"For Such a Time," and thebook is just about my life.
It is about, I just wanted to have a book
that was like a memoirthat was very raw and real
and just tells everything I went through,
things that I don't evennecessarily want to share,
but I tried to just follow the Holy Spirit
in writing it and share everything to show
like no matter how crazyand messed up your life is,
like mine was and became,
that there's a redemption and a freedom
that can come to you throughYeshua, through Jesus.
- Amen.- I love it.
- Well, Jeffrey, youminister sometimes outside
of gay clubs and citiesoutside the country.
Do you ever get pushbackfrom the LGBTQ community
for what you're doing nowand how do you respond?
- Yes, of course, yes,ma'am, I do get pushback.
I get emails and I getcomments through social media,
very derogatory, but mything is like I've just
learned that I'm not mad at them.
I can't judge them.
I look at them and thinkGod, you love them so much.
I remember when I was under that deception
and I would say crazy thingsto think crazy things,
so I just have such a heart of compassion
and mercy to them.
We all have to rememberbefore we were born again,
we all were deceived,we all didn't have the
veils lifted over our eyes,
so that's how I look at them that they
need just as much helpif not more and just
to have a loving heart towards them
and remember that they're worth the same
as me and you and all of us Christians
because Jesus Christ died for them also.
- Absolutely brother,you're preaching, amen,
that's right, we were alllost sinners, that's right.
And recently, Jeffrey,school administrators
in Wisconsin alloweda male science teacher
to show a personaltransgender coming out video
to his students.
Can you talk about howdamaging something like this
is to young minds?
- Oh, definitely.
It's very damaging to young minds.
You know, at the adultlevel, 18 years and older,
I think, you know,everything is, people have to
make their own decisions,but when we start
trying to push it on young minds
to indoctrinate them to lies,
I think it's very dangerous and it's like
playing with fire in this country.
So I just think as brothers and sisters
in Christ Jesus need to continue to pray
against these things.
And prayer does work.
I mean, look at all that's happening
with so many topics, suchas LGBTQ and abortion.
I mean, she's are getting flipped
that no one thoughtwould ever happen again.
So we need to continue topray against the schools.
And he biggest part about the schools
is once you started teaching evolution
and that there is noGod and that we evolved
from nothing, we don't mean anything,
then you'll teach anything.
So it's once again a root problem
that's manifesting withall these different issues.
- Absolutely.
- Well, Jeffrey, thankyou so much for your time.
- Incredible story.
- Your incredible story.
- Incredible story.
- And your ministry.
Our prayers go with you,
we're excited about your new book
and we encourage people to get a copy
wherever books are sold and God bless you,
thank you so much.
- God bless you Jeffrey.
- Thank y'all.
- All right, well, coming up,
we will be praying for your needs.
Don't go away.
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- All right, we're gonnaspend the next couple
of minutes praying for your needs
and those who were hurtand lost loved ones
in the Virginia Beach shooting.
- That's right, please join us as we pray.
Heavenly Father, wejust thank you right now
that, Lord, despite the tragedy that has
taken 12 innocent lives in Virginia Beach,
you are still on the throne.
Father, we thank you thatyou're still in control
and you are still good.
And we're praying for thefamilies affected, Lord God,
those who are burying theirloved ones, Father God,
and even those who are inthe hospitals recovering
from the shooting,Father, we just ask that
you would blanket families, Lord,
and comfort and heal andbind up their wounds,
Lord God, Lord, justdraw them closer to you.
Let them feel your presence,let them feel your love.
Thank you for the churches and the pastors
and the ministers and the chaplains
that you have dispatchedto minister Lord God.
Thank you for the prayers of people
from around the world, Father.
Lord, we just thank you right now
that what the enemy meant for evil.
- That's right.
- That you, Lord, somehow, someway,
in your great power, LordGod, turn it and work good.
Bring good out of Father God and glory
to your kingdom.
- Yes, in Jesus' name.
- Thank you Father, inJesus' name we pray.
- Thank you God, hallelujah.
And Lord we list up all of those
in the homosexual lifestyle,transgender lifestyle
that have seen these interviews today
and say that's me, I feelstuck, I want to get out.
Lord, there is a way outand his name is Jesus
because Lord you, your love is greater
than any love that they could possibly
try to get in that lifestyle
and Lord you will show them the way out.
Lord we ask right now that they would just
come to you God, as they are,
and give you everything, the shame that
they might feel, the condemnation,
Lord those that evenhave suicidal thoughts,
God, rescue them right now.
- Yes, Jesus.
- Lord, you loved us whilewe were still in our sin,
Lord you died for us whileyou went to the cross,
not only for the healing of our bodies,
but to save our souls.
God your blood covers a multitude.
- Thank you Father.
- Of sins.
Lord, rescue your people today.
- Yes, Father.
- Those who are crying out to you.
- In the name of Jesus.
- In the name of Jesus.
Lord we love you and we thank you Lord.
- Yes.
- In Jesus' name, amen.
- And we also pray Father God
for those who are watching,
whatever the needs they have today.
Father, we thank you for meeting them
at the point of their needs.
Father God we thank youfor showing them Lord God,
your power, your grace,your favor, your love.
In Jesus' name we pray.
Amen.
- Amen, amen, God is good.
- God is good all the time.
- Prayer works.
- Prayer does work.
- Well, up next, we're bringing you
the word of the week, stay tuned.
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- Welcome back to the Prayer Link
and before we go, hereis the word of the week
from Nola Jones withNola Jones Ministries.
- I'm such a regular ata local smoothie shop
that when they see mepull into the parking lot,
they immediately startmaking my favorite blend.
Most of the staff arelocal college students
trying to make ends meet due
to financial aid challenges
and when I stopped by ona chilly day recently,
the young lady working told me
that she loved my coat.
She shared that she hadleft her coat back home
and wasn't able to buy a new one,
so she was just layering with shirts
to try and stay warm whileshe walked around campus.
As I was making my way back to the car,
I felt the Holy Spiritsay, "Give her your coat."
So I immediately took itoff and went back inside
and gave it to her and she was speechless.
She tried to tell me, "I can't take that."
But I insisted.
It was a brand new coatand I had just taken
the tags off that morning towear it for the first time.
She she teared up andsaid, "Wow, thank you."
As I left that store, I began thanking God
for the ability to give.
You see, I had two morecoats in my closets
with tags on them, more thanI could possible wear or need.
Yet how many of have more than we need,
but we continue to hold onto the surplus
like we're lacking.
Matthew 5:42 says that if someone asks you
for your coat, give them your tunic.
If someone tells you to go a mile, go two.
If someone asks you to borrow something,
don't turn away from them.
I believe that God blesses those who give,
immediately, cheerfullyand with gratefulness
for the ability to give.
The reason why so many people are lacking
is because so few people are giving.
Prosperity is not found in how much
you can keep for yourself,
it's found in how muchyou give away to others.
A closed fist canneither give nor receive.
- Okay, I need to go clean out my closets.
- I need to give coats,shoes, purses, all kinds
of stuff right away.
- Throw them my way.
(laughing)
It just, it's a vicious cycle.
Anyway, we are going to do what Nola said,
thank you Nola.
Well, that's gonna do it for our edition
of the Prayer Link.
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prayer requests and testimonies.
Email us at prayerlink@cbn.org.
Until next time, God blessand remember prayer works.
- I like that.