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Faith Nation: April 30, 2019

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- The Trump administration is supporting

an attempted coup in Venezuela.

The latest on what'shappening on the ground.

Punishing the President, whyone Democratic Congresswoman

is pushing party leaders tocensor the Commander-in-Chief.

And as campaign 2020 moves forward,

more presidential hopefulsare releasing policy agendas.

We'll look at one candidate'sfive trillion dollar plan

to end climate change.

All this and more tonight on Faith Nation.

(upbeat music)

Chaos in the streets of Caracas tonight

as the fight for the futureof Venezuela rages on.

The situation is fluid nowwith a government uprising

leading to violence.

Thanks for joining us forFaith Nation, I'm John Jessup.

- And I'm Jenna Browder.

The unrest has beenbuilding for months now

against President Nicolas Maduro

after what many call an unfair election.

Venezuela's oppositionleader Juan Guaido is backed

by many other governmentsincluding the United States.

- CBN News National SecurityCorrespondent, Eric Phillips

joins us now.

Eric, both President Trumpand Vice President Pence

are offering their supportfor Guaido on Twitter.

- Yeah, that's right, John,the President tweeting last

this afternoon and saying

that he's monitoring the situation closely

and that the U.S. standswith the people of Venezuela.

Now the powder keg beganto blow this morning

after Guaido, who's assumedthe role of interim president

called for Venezuelans to hit the streets

and take back their freedom.

It's the most serious challenge

to the current regime to date.

(cheers)

Throngs of people answeredthe call of their leader

clashing with the militaryover the true leadership

of the country.

(gun fires)

Sounds of gun fire and plumes of tear gas

throughout Caracas as thepush against dictator,

Nicolas Maduro and his regime swelled.

Flanked by armed guardsmenand prominent activists,

Leopoldo Lopez, Guaidoissued the call to action.

- [Interpreter] I inviteyou immediately to activate.

I invite you immediately tocover the streets of Venezuela.

It is the moment, the moment is now,

the moment of not only calm insanity

but it is also the momentof courage and sanity.

(gun fires)

- [Eric] A faction ofthe country's military

that backs Guaido joined the scores

of citizens in the effort.

The United States andseveral other nations

also recognize him asthe interim president

until another election can be held.

U.S. Senator, Marco Rubio tweeting,

"After years of suffering,freedom is waiting for people

of Venezuela.

Do not let them take thisopportunity from you.

Now is the moment to take to the streets

in support of your legitimate,constitutional government.

Do not allow this moment to slip away.

It may not come again."

Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo saying,

"The U.S. government fullysupports the Venezuelan people

in their quest for freedom and democracy.

Democracy cannot be defeated."

And National SecurityAdvisor, John Bolton wrote,

"The end of Maduro's usurpationof power is possible.

Venezuela's armed forcesshould stand loyal

to their people and the constitution."

Venezuela's Socialist Party Chief

went on state TV todefend President Maduro

while criticizing the U.S.for supporting the uprising.

- [Interpreter] What isabsolutely evident here

is the United States, inthe face of ineptitude,

in the face of not beingable to win elections

against the revolution.

They prefer a coup withoutregard for the consequences.

- Venezuela's governmentplayed down the uprising,

saying it was putting downa small coup on attempt

by military traitors workingwith right wing opponents

but that quote, "small coup"

was consisted of a few thousand people

was enough to make Spain closeit's consulate in Venezuela

because of the uncertainty.

- Well, Eric this afternoon,National Security Advisor,

John Bolton offered a starkassessment of what would happen

if Guaido's efforts fail.

- [Eric] And that's right Johnand Bolton has been tweeting

all day long about theimportance of this uprising

and here's why.

He believes it's failure could be final.

- Really now what we'reseeing is the people

of Venezuela, this has beenbuilding for a long time

that if this effort fails,

they will sink into a dictatorship

from which there are veryfew possible alternatives.

It's a very delicate moment.

I wanna stress again, thePresident wants to see a peaceful

transfer of power from Maduro to Guaido,

that possibility stillexists if enough figures

depart from the regimeand support the opposition

and that's what we'd like to see.

We wanna see Defense Minister, Padrino,

the Chief Judge of theSupreme Court, Maikel Moreno

in particular, Rafael Hernandez Dala

of the presidential guard.

- As he said a verydelicate moment in history

and all of the eyes ofthe world are watching.

And while the U.S. vigorouslysupports the opposition,

fighting for democracy,there are other major powers

that support the current regime

including China, Russia and Turkey.

John and Jenna.

- Alright, Eric, thank you very much.

Well, Jason Marczak is the Director

of the Adrienne ArshtLatin American Center

at the Atlantic Council.

And he joins us now formore, Jason good to see you,

thanks for joining us.

- Thanks Jenna.

- A lot at stake in Venezuela.

- A tremendous amount at stake (mumbles).

This is a movement in Venezuela

represents potentially the next wave

of the ability to actuallyretake the country for democracy.

As said in your reports thereare more than 50 countries

around the world thatrecognize Juan Guaido

as the interim President.

Most major Democraciesacross Latin America

led by the Colombians, the Brazilians,

Venezuela's neighbors as well as

most European Union countries as well.

The Colombians in particular,Venezuela's neighbor

have been steadfast in their desire

for a return to democracyand for Nicolas Maduro

to leave power.

- What we're seeing today, Jason

has been a long time coming.

You wrote today that Venezuelaand the United States

should be prepared for the long game

when it comes to this pushfor the fight for freedom.

Why did you say that?

- Well, because if youlook at the history of,

you look at the last 20 years in Venezuela

ever since Hugo Chavez first came to power

and there have been many attempts

to wrestle control away from Hugo Chavez

and now Nicolas Maduro.

Of course, now there's addedurgency because of the despair

of which the country hasfallen in the last few years.

But things in Venezuela do not change

from one day to the next.

There is momentum that needs to be built

and there is a longereffort that needs to be seen

for Democratic forces to prevail.

And so even thoughMaduro will likely remain

in the presidential palaceat the end of the day today,

that doesn't mean that the efforts

of the interim governments have failed.

- Jason, just lookinglong term, big picture,

what does happen nextin the immediate future

and in the long term?

- Well, in the immediatefuture what's gonna be critical

is that the more than 50 countries

that support the interim government

are steadfast in theirsupport and nothing happens

to the interim president, to Juan Guaido.

If Maduro were to put him in prison,

were to harm him in any way orothers who are close to him,

his chief of staff hasbeen in prison actually

for over a month now,

that could be a potential game changer.

You also have multipleinternational institutions,

the Organization of American States

that recognizes the interim governments,

the Inter-American Development Bank,

the primary lender for Latin America

also recognizes the interim government

and not Nicolas Maduro.

And so you seen a, over the last 90 days,

a ground swell of international support

for Nicolas Maduro and for Juan Guido

and that support's going to continue,

critical to continue moving forward

and also for mobilization to the streets

in support of the interim government.

I think the message thatthe Trump administration

has put out in the last week.

We hosted, the Atlantic Council last week,

the special representation for Venezuela

and that's a message thatthe future of Venezuela

can be inclusive of the militaryand members of Chavismo,

if they take this moment toalign with forces of democracy.

- Jason Marczak of the Atlantic Council.

Jason, thanks for being with us.

- Thanks for having me.

- Well, to campaign 2020.

Joe Biden is continuinghis push to show America

why he should replace DonaldTrump in the White House.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News,

is Robin Roberts today, Biden called it

an issue of morality in America.

- The President has a motto,make America great again.

Do you have one?

- Make America moralagain, make America return

to the essence of who we are,the dignity of the country,

the dignity of people totreating our people with dignity.

End this God awful delivereddivision that's being taken

in order to separating peopleto aggrandize his own power.

- And since announcinglast week, Biden has yet

to release any firm policy initiatives.

- And that's why otherDemocrats are trying

to grab the spotlight by goingspecific with their agendas.

And now one time topcontender, Beto O'Rourke

is out front with the firstcomprehensive proposal.

- (speaks in foreign language)from the Yosemite Valley

here in California where we are

announcing the most ambitious climate plan

in the history of the United States.

- [John] The former Texas Congressmen

is trying to reignite hisonce bright but fading star

as the first candidate tolay out a major policy plan

and his focus is on climate change.

- I want you to be part of this effort.

- [John] The 10 year,five trillion dollar plan

he says would require allAmericans to get involved

and touch every sectorfrom housing to healthcare

and transportation to pensions.

The four part proposalwhich start on day one

of an O'Rourke presidency,like recommitting

to the Paris Climate Accords

and undoing the Trumpadministration's environmental agenda.

It would also raise taxes onbusinesses and the wealthy

to pay for the sweeping plan

which aims to cut carbonemissions to net zero by 2050.

- It's hard to argue thatthere's anything more important

facing this country,this generation today.

- [John] Naming climate change

as the greatest threat America faces,

the plan gives O'Rourke thechance to potentially avoid

recent characterizationsas a political lightweight.

After an initial hot start O'Rourke

has been steadily losingsteam in the polls.

Well, joining us now isDan Cox, research fellow

at the American Enterprise Institute.

Dan, thank you for being with us.

- Great to be here.

- First off, Mayor Pete's immigration plan

appears to be pretty vague but do voters

really care about that right now

or is it more about policyat this point in the game?

- Well, I think immigration.

- I'm sorry, personality over policy.

- Yeah, personality'sgonna dominate initially

but I think voters areparticularly in the primary

gonna really care aboutnational issues and immigration

is certainly one that's beenon the radar for Democrats

and Democratic candidates for a long time.

- Do you think that will change as we head

into the general election

and will they ever haveto take a firm for once,

we kinda wanna keep it kind of gray,

will they ever have to take a firm stance

on some of these issues orcan someone like Joe Biden

just sort of scoot inthere and take the primary

without really giving a lot of details?

- Well, I think if you'rethe front runner, right

and Joe Biden clearly is according to CNN

and (mumbles) Poll he'salmost at 40% now of support.

So I think there's somedanger in being out there

with a lot of policy proposalsthat people can attack

and take apart so I think hemaybe forced to at some point

but for now he's playing it safe.

- As you just mentioned with Joe Biden

he's at the head of thesepolls but he hasn't gotten in

very deep with the policy either

so what do you make of that?

What's spurring his lead?

- Well, I think his eightyears with Obama really.

I mean, if you look at his support,

he actually has greater supportamong non-white Democrats

than white Democrats.

And I think that has a lotto do with his eight years

by President BarackObama and there's a lot

of earned goodwill amongDemocrats for that.

- Dan, your thoughts on BetoO'Rourke's climate plan.

- Well, it's certainly anaggressive comprehensive plan.

It's getting critiquefrom the left a little bit

because it's not aggressive enough.

So we're getting some folkswho were really supportive

of the sort of initialroad of the climate,

sort of energy which isnot, it wasn't like a plan,

sort of over arching principles.

But I think that thebiggest take away is that

it's going to be anincredibly important issue.

In fact, after healthcare

it's the leading issue for Democrats.

- You just, I think perfectly Segwayed

into the next question.

What is the issue thatthese campaign candidates

should be talking aboutas they head into 2020?

- Well, healthcare whetherit's Medicare for All

or just lowering healthcarecosts is an absolute winner.

It was really important anddecisive in the 2018 election

and will definitely be important.

And Trump's continuingto make it important

in the upcoming 2020 race.

- Alright, Dan thanks somuch for joining us today.

- Great to be here.

- Welcome back.

Democratic leadershipmet with President Trump

at the White House today to discuss

rebuilding America's infrastructure.

They say the President agreedto invest two trillion dollars

into a new plan.

Both House Speaker, Nancy Pelosiand Senate Minority Leader,

Chuck Schumer described today'smeeting with the President

as productive.

- And it was a very constructive meeting.

It's clear that both theWhite House and all of us

wanna get something done on infrastructure

in a big and bold way.

And there was good will in this meeting

and that was different thansome of the other meetings

that we've had which is a very good thing.

- Schumer says infrastructurepriorities includes roads,

broadband and the power grid.

- Up on Capitol Hill, agroup came together today

to defend freshmanCongresswoman Ilhan Omar.

- That's right theevent called Black Women

in Defense of ProgressiveWomen in Congress.

And the main message theyhad, they want the President

to be censored.

Abigail Robertson wasthere and she joins us now

from Capitol Hill.

Abigail, it looked like this crowd

got a little bit rowdy at times.

- That's right John, it wasa very fired up, rowdy crowd

of about 100 people and they were really

calling on Democratic leadership to defend

as you said freshmenCongresswoman Ilhan Omar.

And both Congresswoman Ilhan Omar

and Rashida Tlaib were there

and saying how they don'treally feel supported

by Democrat leadership.

Take a look.

- The thing that upsets theoccupant of the White House,

his goons in the Republicanparty, many of our colleagues

in the Democratic party

(cheers)

is that they can'tstand, they cannot stand

that a refugee, a blackwoman, an immigrant, a Muslim

shows up in Congressthinking she's equal to them.

(cheers)

When this occupant of the WhiteHouse chooses to attack me

we know that that attack isn't for Ilhan,

that attack is thecontinuation of the attacks

that he's leveled againstwomen, against people of color,

against immigrants, against refugees

and certainly against Muslims.

- And as you heard herrefer to President Trump

as the occupant of the White House,

she said today along withthe others at the rally

that they do not call him President Trump

because they don't believehe deserves that title.

- Because when Palestiniansare struggling with occupation

and their dehumanizationisn't being talked about,

that is on us to uplift them.

So I can't ever speak ofIslamophobia and fight for Muslims

if I am not willing tofight against anti-Semitism.

- Like Ilhan we refuse to bequiet on the issue of Israel.

We contest the conflation oflegitimate impassioned critique

of Israel with anti-Semitism.

And the fabrication of anotion that when the left calls

for justice in Palestine,when the left supports BDS,

then it has become the anti-Semitic left.

- Congresswoman Omarhas taken a lot of heat,

many have viewed some ofher comments as anti-Semitic

and as you saw at the rallytoday she was unapologetic

and kind of dug her heels in.

She says she is notanti-Semitic but she also added

that she will continue tospeak her mind about U.S.

and Israel relations and whatshe's seeing with Palestine.

- Alright, Abigail Robertson for us

on Capitol Hill, thank you.

- Well, the Trump administration wants

to designate the Muslim Brotherhood

as a foreign terrorist organization.

The White House saying todaythe President has consulted

with his nationalsecurity team and leaders

in the Middle East andthat the designation

is working through the internal process.

The Muslim Brotherhoodhas served as a catalyst

for other extremistterror groups like Hamas.

If the designation is applied,the U.S. would be aligned

with Egypt, Saudi Arabiaand the United Arab Emirates

identifying the brotherhoodas a terror group.

It's a regional dividing issue

with governments in placeslike Turkey and Indonesia

backing the Muslim Brotherhood.

- Well, today I sat down withSenator Mike Lee of Utah.

We talked about theadministration's announcement

on the Muslim Brotherhood censor

and the possibility of impeachment.

Take a look.

- Well, Senator Lee, good to see you.

- Good to see you, thank you.

- A group on the Hill iscalling for Chuck Schumer

and Nancy Pelosi to censor the President

over what they see as attacks

against Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

Your thoughts on that.

- I haven't seen such attacks,

I'm not sure what they're talking about.

I do think that anytime youhave a member of Congress

or another elected officialor any other prominent figure

speaking on something, Ithink others have the right

to express disagreement with that.

In so far as they're just complaining

about public disagreementby President Trump

or by anyone else, I don'tthink that is a good reason

to censor someone forcriticizing another's speech.

- Anti-Semitism making headlines again

with the shooting that we sawthis weekend in California.

Democrats, they recently movedforward with this resolution

to condemn anti-Semitism,although some say

it hardly actuallycondemned anti-Semitism,

got a lot of criticism forbeing very watered down.

What do you think, arelawmakers doing enough

to call out anti-Semitism?

- I think we should callit out wherever it exists

and I don't think we should be afraid

to acknowledge the fact that it does exist

and that where it doesexist it's not acceptable.

- The President today, heis calling, he's pushing

for the Muslim Brotherhoodto be designated

as a terror group, what do you think

is that a good move?

- Insofar as the Presidentof the United States

believes that that orany other organization

is a terror group, Ithink there's good reason

to pay attention.

The President does have afair amount of authority

to do that, he's also in aposition to receive information

about what organizationsare supporting terror.

- Democrats are very dividedon the issue of impeachment,

Senator, your thoughts on this.

Do you think we'll see anyaction on the impeachment front.

- I don't think so, I think it would be

an unwise for them politically,

really it is a politicalquestion rather than a legal one.

Any Congress at any time can decide

to make any act thatthey perceive as wrong

an impeachable offense.

But if you overreach, if youdo so where the American people

weren't behind you or youhave no path toward removal,

I'm not sure what purpose it serves

and I suspect that if they did it

they would find it tobe a political mistake.

I think it would end up

strengthening the President's positions

rather than weakening it.

- Infrastructure is the topicof the White House today.

There's some questionthough, this can actually be

an issue where Democrats andRepublicans find common ground.

I know Mitch McConnell hassaid he's kind of skeptical

about it, what do you think

can there be consensus on this issue?

Can this be a point of unity?

- I think it could be a point of unity

if we chose to do somethingthat would actually make

for more infrastructure, meaningif it could make it easier

to get more steel andconcrete into the ground

so that moms and dads throughout America

can spend more time with their families

and less time stuck in gridlocked traffic

to and from work.

I think the best way to dothat, maybe the only way

to do that right now would be to

lower the federal gasoline tax,

take it from 18.4 cents per gallon down

to four cents per gallon.

You use that to

maintain the existingfederal highway system.

The remaining 14.4 cents pergallon could be collected

and spent by the states as they chose.

What's interesting about that is

that money would goanother 30 or 40% further

than it does with federal money

because it wouldn't be encumbered

with all these federalregulations and restrictions

on how much you pay employees.

- Finally, let's talk aboutyour book Our Lost Declaration.

Tell us about this, whatmade you decide to write it?

- It has occurred to me manytimes in the last few years

that in order to understandthe founding of our country

you have to tell stories behind it

and I've written a couplebooks about the Constitution.

As I researched to writethose I realized more and more

that we need to be focusing

on the Declaration of Independence.

It's as though theDeclaration of Independence

is the picture, the Constitutionis the frame around it

but the picture itself is the Declaration.

So it's also occurred to me that

there has been a lack of civics education

in our public education system.

A lot of kids today aren't being taught

about Thomas Jefferson,

about the Declaration of Independence

about what King George was doing wrong

that led to it and about the principles,

about human nature that are embracing it.

So, I wrote this book for moms and dads,

grandmas and grandpas across America

who want their children to betaught the same way they were,

to learn these principles of our founding.

This book enables them to do that.

- Alright, Senator Mike Lee, thank you.

- Thank you.

- [John] Coming together to call on God.

How the Jewish and Christiancommunities are finding peace

after the deadly Californiasynagogue shooting.

(dramatic music)

- After the tragic synagogue shooting

in California this week, areminder of hope tonight.

- That's right it comes asthe faith community there

is joining together calling for unity.

- A piercing sadness andsuffering echoed forth

in our land and this time not far away

but here in our own county of San Diego.

And yet, a short time later,a much more powerful sound,

a sound of resilienceand strength and hope,

the sign of faith in God,the sign of the willingness

to find love even amidst themost trying and horrifying

of circumstances.

- During the interfaith vigil,

people from differentChristian denominations

joined with the Jewishcommunities to pray, sing

and they also pledged to remain faithful.

And that's something Ithink we accomplished to do

just to keep them in ourminds and in our prayers.

- And in our hearts.

- Yeah.

Well, that's gonna do itfor tonight's Faith Nation.

Thanks for joining us.

- Have a great evening.

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