- Coming up tonight on thisepisode of Faith vs. Culture,

what it means to looklike a Biblical woman.

We tackle that and more, coming up next.

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- Well, hello, and welcome to this episode

of Faith vs. Culture hereon the CBN News Channel.

I am Faithwire.commanaging editor Dan Andros,

and I'm joined as always

by author and pastor, Dale Partridge.

Dale, what's going on?

- Hey man, touchy topic, but excited

to give it a go with Scripture.

- Right, I think a lotof women will probably go

ah, man, we've got two guystelling us women what to do,

but really first of all we're not

telling you to do anything.

We're just sitting here looking at

what the Bible says and what God says,

and we're trying to relay it.

Next episode, we're goingto tackle what it means

to look like a Biblical man,

so guys, you're not offthe hook here (laughs).

I think today, Dale, inculture, there are so many

outside influences, and that is kind of

the heart of this show.

We're constantly lookingat the different things

that are pushing and pulling and tugging

from the world at Christians,

and kind of causing us to gooff the rails in various ways.

So this is a topic that's sort of come up.

I think in many of ourshows we've talked about it,

is just kind of going back to

what's it mean to be a Biblical man?

What's it mean to be a Biblicalwoman or a Biblical person?

We wanted to just dive inspecifically in two episodes

on this topic of Biblicalwomanhood, Biblical manhood,

because culture, aswe've seen, has just gone

very much off the rails lately.

They can't even really definewhat a woman or a man even is.

So I think it's worthwhileand worth our time to reset,

give ourselves a Biblicalview to start from,

and go from there.

Where would you even begin aconversation like this, Dale?

- Yeah, it's a good question.

You know, I think afew things that I hear,

and one, again, as you said earlier,

we're here to just relaywhat the Scriptures teach,

and I want to try to leave

my opinion out as much as possible.

So a couple of things that I want to say,

I think that really startthe conversation off

is when I talk about theNew Testament's definition

of gender roles, male and female roles,

especially with the women,I tend to get a response

from women that go, yeah, I hear that,

but what about the Proverbs 31 woman,

the entrepreneurial spirit of her?

What about the bravery and the boldness

of Ruth and Deborah and Esther?

I hear that quite often, and I want to

acknowledge those things, because they're

incredible principles thatyou see in the Old Testament,

but the descriptionsof Old Testament women

that are recorded inScripture are very different

than the doctrines and commands of what

a New Testament woman should be.

So Scripture, the apostles,Jesus Himself, call women

in the New Testament, whichthe New Testament commands

generally supersede theOld Testament commands.

That's the differencebetween the new covenant

and old covenant, sowhile I like to look at

the Old Testament principles,at the end of the day,

what we're going to be heldaccount to before the Lord

is the New Testament doctrines of how

a woman and a man should behave.

That's my first argument.

One thing that I often get from people,

you've heard this a lot,Dan, is but it's 2019.

You know, I rememberseeing a bumper sticker,

and on the bumper stickerit says feel far from God?

Who moved?

It implies the idea that God isn't moving

further away, we are.

So, you know, you have toask yourself that question,

is that is God relative with time?

Does He change with time?

The truth is, timedoesn't change God's Word.

It just doesn't.

The Bible doesn't change, it changes us.

That's what we're called to do.

The doctrines are the Bible are universal

and they're to be appliedlocally in our time in our life.

If we disagree withsomething in Scripture,

it's not the Bible thatneeds to change, it's us.

There's a really goodquote I saw on Twitter

from a guy Dustin Benge.

He's another pastor/theologian.

He wrote, "There is notension in Scripture.

"If we perceive tension,

"the tension is within us, not Scripture."

You know, Matthew 24:35 says,

"Heaven and earth will pass away,

"but My words will by no means pass away."

Jesus Christ is the sameyesterday, today and forever.

There's this continuoustheme throughout Scripture

that Scripture is universal.

So it's important thatwe realize that hey,

I know it can seem antiquated.

You're taking us back to patriarchal 1950.

No, I'm taking us back towhat the Scriptures say

for all time, for howall women and all men

that live under the cross should behave.

- Yeah, I mean evenjust going through Titus

as one of the books that we happen to be

looking through rightnow, and there's this

Scripture in there from what elders

and what women and the menand the older and the young

are supposed to bedoing, and you're right.

I mean we look at these words,

and where does that tension come from?

If we're feeling tension,what is causing the tension,

I think is the questionthat we have to ask,

because you look throughit, and you're right.

The tension is withmodern day cultural norms

and story lines thatthey're pushing saying,

yeah, I like that, thatsounds great, you know.

Then you read what the Bible says.

It's like, ooh, well there's tension.

Well who created the tension,

and it sure looks like theworld has created that tension

and then we have a choice to make.

- Yeah, exactly.

We're in this gap between what

the world's plan is for our lives,

and what the Scriptures'plan is for our lives.

It's so funny how opposite they are

and how opposite they're getting.

It's pretty easy to tellwhich one is the truth

because the world'srunning from one of them.

You know, another principle I think about

is that you know, ladies,as we go through this

episode today, and you'reexamining these Scriptures,

remember that the Old Testament narratives

that people like to choose,the Proverbs 31 woman,

Deborah, Ruth, these womenare wives and mothers.

Sometimes we don't like this idea to be

kind of told to really desireto be a wife or a mother,

especially in a culture thatis really against children.

My take is that Satan's plan for the world

is that men would be boys,that women would be men,

and that children, as a result,would become irrelevant.

So we look at these Scripturestoday to really examine

what it means to be a Biblical woman

and hopefully it's edifying for you.

- All right, great.

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Welcome back to the CBN News Channel.

I am Faithwire.commanaging editor Dan Andros,

along with pastor, author, Dale Partridge.

We're talking about what itmeans to be a Biblical woman.

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Dale, we were just having this discussion

about where that tension comes from inside

when we're looking at what Scripture says

and what the world's saying.

We're basically presented with a choice.

What are some of the areaswhere world is pushing one way

and Scripture's pushing another way,

and we wanted to take a look at those.

Where do you want to start?

- I think we should justopen up with Titus two.

I think it's a prettyclassic passage of Scripture

of what an older woman, I thinkan older woman is 35 and up,

should be teaching the younger women.

At the end of the day, an older woman

is anybody that is olderthan another female,

so you always havesomeone younger than you.

Titus 2:3-5 reads, "Theolder women likewise,

"that they be reverent inbehavior, not slanderers,

"not given to much wine,teachers of good things,

"that they admonish the youngwomen to love their husbands,

"to love their children,to be discrete, chaste,

"homemakers, good, obedientto their own husbands,

"that the Word of Godmay not be blasphemed."

We could talk 10 showson this passage (laughs),

so, you know, I'm goingto just race through

some of these points thatI think are critical.

You know, one is not slanderers.

We don't talk about otherpeople, men and women.

A lot of these things wouldeven apply to the men too.

Teachers of good things.

Well, what is a good thing?

Well, Jesus gets approachedby the rich young ruler

and he says, hey, good teacher,

and He says why do you call me good?

There's only one that'sgood, and that's God.

So good things are Godly things.

That's what you're a teacher of.

This is telling you to do that.

Not to wait to be asked,but to go out and teach.

It is a proactive work.

The older women shouldbe going out and teaching

Godly, good things to younger women.

That they admonish theyounger women, they encourage

through example theyoung women to love who?

To love their husbands andto love their children.

This idea of gettingmarried and to have a home.

This is a critical part of motherhood

or of womanhood that islost in today's culture.

That's the main thing,is to love their husbands

and love their children.

I'll tell you what, I'mmarried for 10 years now

and I have a wife, who, it's a ton of work

to learn how to be a greatwife and a great mother.

It says to be discrete, chaste.

That word chaste is pure,sexually pure, meaning that

you are not extra-maritallysinning in sexuality.

You're keeping yourselfpure prior to marriage

and you're keepingyourself pure in marriage

with not just yourbody, but your thoughts,

your emotions and your affections.

Homemakers, the idea is thata woman, a Biblical woman,

the locus of her ministry is in the home.

It's the centralized part of her ministry.

Now can she have other work?

Absolutely, but it will not compromise

the work that's at her home

because she recognizeshow critical that is.

Good, obedient to their own husbands.

That's an Ephesians five reference too,

as well as 1 Peter chapterthree you can look up.

I want to close with this point here.

It says that the Word ofGod may not be blasphemed.

Okay, pay attention tothis, because you either

are going to be obedientto these things or not,

and not being obedient tothese calls of character,

the Scripture says that youcould blaspheme the Word of God.

Now what does that mean?

This means that the gospel, the good news,

can actually be injured bywomen living in a manner

inconsistent with the very book

they claim to have found God through.

I want to say this another way,

and I wrote this down tobe careful with my words.

Why should a skeptic or an onlooker

believe that the gospel istrue, when you, as a lady,

are not even walking according to the book

that you received the gospel from?

That's how you canblaspheme the Word of God.

It's really critical whenpeople examine your lives

and they look at you and they go,

so you believe this gospel,but you're not following

anything else in it except the gospel?

How am I supposed tobelieve the gospel is true

when you won't evenfollow any of the other

basic commands in the gospel?

Our lives absolutely canblaspheme the Word of God,

male and female, and it's critical

to take that as a note.

- Yeah, and I'll just addone more point to that, Dale,

about blaspheming the gospel.

Paul's intention here whenhe was writing to Titus

was to kind of set themup and establish a system,

a pattern, that enabled the gospel

to flourish there in Crete,

so it's interesting, one, that he looks to

not just elders, but to the family.

He's describing throughoutthese three chapters

how men and women should behave,

because he knew thatthe family was critical

to advancing the gospel, but Ijust wanted to add that point

because a lot of timeswe can get bogged down

in looking at what our tasksare and grumbling about those.

Oh really, I've got tobe the submissive one,

or I've got to be in charge of everything

and I've got to take all these tasks?

Well, it's not just becausethat's a handy way to live.

The whole point of it isto advance the gospel.

That's our goal, is to glorify His name

and bring glory to Him.

When we keep that in mind,I think it's a lot easier

to take these tasks and run with them,

because we're realizingthat it's not about us,

it's about something greater than us.

- Yeah, and I want totouch on this for a second.

This is a really good point.

All these letters, again, whilethey're locally delivered,

many of them even open up the greeting

to a universal audience, but I want to say

on your point there, Dan, is that yes,

there is a purpose behind God's practices.

God's practices reinforce His purposes.

They're always connected.

You know, a lot of peoplewill take this idea

that oh no, this is just aletter to the people in Crete.

This is not applicable to me.

I go it's so interesting that we do this.

I say this all the time, but for example,

in this same chapter weget elders and deacons.

I don't know a church inthe Protestant mindset

across the world that doesn'thave elders and deacons.

So it's funny how the wholechurch will adopt that part,

and no problem, but whenit comes to the women,

or it comes to the men'scharacter here in that chapter,

we don't want to adopt the other part.

We like the idea thatthe gospel never changes,

even though we received it from Scripture,

but everything else is up for change.

It's interesting how thosethings that are up for change,

that should have changed with time,

or that are just writtento a specific audience,

are also the inconvenient and unpopular

Scriptures in the Bible.

So we need to look at Scripture.

Does it change?

Is it just audience only?

Because, you know, 1 Corinthianshas some hard things to say

but we haven't kicked out the1 Corinthians 13 love chapter.

We haven't kicked out partsof Romans that talk about

we're saved by grace throughfaith, and Ephesians.

So there's just a lot that weneed to look at this and go

is it authoritative inthe way that we live?

And if it is, then we needto adjust our lives to it

and abide in His Word.

- Amen, all right.

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This is Faith vs. Culture.

I'm the Faithwire.commanaging editor Dan Andros,

joined by author, pastor Dale Partridge.

We're talking aboutbeing a Biblical woman,

and I know two guys talkingabout being a Biblical woman.

Don't shoot the messenger.

We are just pointing to Scripture,

and don't worry, we're goingto tackle the guys next week

on this very same program.

So Dale, where do we fall off the rails

generally speaking here when it comes to

how we're viewing eachother as men and women

and trying to deal withthings such as the submission

and the common sort ofgripes that people have?

- Yeah, one thing.

I've always defined racismas the statement of going

I'm made in God's image and you're not.

I think that's the core of racism.

You can almost kind of begender racist in a way,

where, you know, eitherside can kind of have

this superiority of I'm madein God's image and you're not.

The reality is, the truth isthat we are equally valuable,

equally made in the Lord's image,

but different in role and purpose.

We are equally valuable anddifferent in role and purpose.

We're both made in God's imageas a complementary pairs.

I'm going to explain this.

Even in the creationnarrative, it supports this.

You actually see heaven andearth, complementary pair.

Land and sea, complementary pair.

Sun and moon, complementary pair.

Man and woman.

God did not create duplicated sameness.

You don't see Adam duplicated.

You don't see Eve duplicated.

You don't see land andland and sun and sun.

No, He's creating complementary pairs,

and you see that also with man and woman.

They're not competingelements, they are symbiotic,

equally valuable, critical to the creation

in all of its ways, but differentin their purpose and role.

I want to also point out that notice that

God doesn't pull Eve out of Adam's feet,

the man would maybe trample over her,

or that God doesn't pullEve out of Adam's head

that Eve would rule over him.

God pulls Eve out of hisrib, and out of his side,

again showing and symbolizingthis equality of value,

but difference in role.

So the Lord did give man headship.

It's explicit in Scripture.

He gave the laws of moralityto Adam in the garden.

Adam was created first.

There is the firstborn element there.

I want to explain how Eve is a helper.

Sometimes we think thatEve was created to be

a diminished element, but she's not.

That word helper is actually the same word

that we see the Holy Spiritbeing described as the Helper.

Is the Holy Spirit any less than

God the Father or God the Son?

Absolutely not, and neitheris Eve, and neither is woman.

This idea of, just last weekI heard a fantastic definition

of what it means to besubmitted to your husband.

It was by another woman, andjust on my Instagram account.

She said to be under one mission.

I thought it was abeautiful way of explaining

what's called derived authority.

The reality is as a wife insubmission to her husband,

if her husband's submissive to Christ

and Christ is submitted to the Father,

then you're just submitted to God

and you're under one mission.

It's just a beautiful reminder, again,

that we are equally value, different role,

here to serve one purpose, tofulfill the Great Commission

and let everybody know about Jesus Christ.

- That's great stuff.

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on the CBN News Channel,to finish off this episode.

Dale, why don't you goahead and close us out?

- Yeah, I've got a few notes here.

First thing is if wedisagree with something

we read in Scripture, it's not the Bible

that needs to change, it's us.

The second thing I'm going to say

is Titus two says that if we don't

walk a certain way asa woman, that you could

actually blaspheme the Word of God.

What that means is thatthe gospel can be injured

by a woman living in amanner inconsistent with

the very book that they claimto have found God through.

The last thing is men andwomen are equally valuable

before the cross, but different in role.

God made complementary pairs,not duplicated sameness,

not competitive, but asymbiotic relationship

between men and women.

- All right, a lot to chew on there.

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