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REPORT: Newspapers' Investigation Shows Sex Abuse Occurred in Southern Baptist Churches for Over 20 Years

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- Boz Tchividjian is the founder of GRACE,

which advises churchesand faith-based groups

on the issue of sexual abuse.

He joins us now with more

on the Houston Chronicle investigation.

Boz, thank you so much for coming on.

First of all, your reaction to

the scope of what the Chronical found.

- I think any normal reactionwould be one of grief,

great sadness

and some anger

that it takes a newspaperarticle to delve into this

for

so many within aparticular denomination to

begin to realize this is asystemic issue within the church.

- Southern Baptist leaders,as I've mentioned earlier,

including Russell Moore and and J.D. Greer

have apologized calling it a crisis,

and saying it's way pasttime for immediate compliance

with reporting to civil authorities,

no cover-ups, andcompassionate care for victims.

Are you satisfied thus far,24-hours after this report

from what you're hearing fromSouthern Baptist leaders?

- Well I mean

it's not whether I'm satisfied.

It's whether the throngs of

victims who've been abusedfor decades are satisfied

and see some degree of hopein the future of that church.

I think that we wouldexpect, I would expect

nothing less from theleaders to have a response

like they've responded thus far.

I mean what other responsecould you possibly make.

So I think that's a stepin the right direction.

But I also think that theleaders and church pastors

and even church membersneed to all take a step back

and ask themselves, whathave they said or done

that may have directlyor indirectly contributed

to fostering such an environment

where systemic abuse andcover-up is the norm.

And to be humble, to beteachable, and to say

we need to not only grievebut we need to ask ourselves

where we have failed, andthen start taking action.

This is going to be a long road for them

if they're going to implement

a complete cultural transformation

as it relates to the protectingof the vulnerable people

within their congregations.

- Boz, as you know fromthis investigation,

sex abuse survivors in fact had called

for a registry of offenders years ago.

Why didn't it happen?

Why weren't these leaders listening,

paying attention to thiscancer that was taking place

unfolding in the denomination.

- I think there's avariety of probably factors

that contributed to that.

My own opinion is thatprobably they'd been listening

too much to lawyers,and not enough to what

God would have them want to do.

I think the concern is ifwe put together a database,

it's going to tie in the denomination

into

all these individual churches.

So when an individual church gets sued,

now the denomination's gonna get sued.

So we have to keep that barrier

and once you develop a database

that barrier dissipates.

I say it doesn't matter.

Let's create the database,'cause what's more important?

Protecting the lives ofchildren and vulnerable people

in the throngs of churchesaround the country,

or protecting the institution?

And I think we all knowwhat Jesus would have us do

and I think it's timeto delve into that arena

and begin thinking and talking through

and implementing a database.

Yes, it's gonna be tricky.

Yes, you've gotta putyour thinking hats on

and really wrestle with what that database

is gonna look like, but it's time

to start moving in that direction.

And there are plenty ofvery intelligent people

within the SBC who can figure that out

but they just need to start doing it.

- As Mr. Greer said quote,

"The safety of the victims matters more

"than the reputation of Southern Baptist".

Mr. Tchividjian, as always sir,

thank you for coming on the show.

- Thank you.

- Moving on to some politicalnews in the country.

President Trump isheading to El Paso, Texas

to round up support for his border wall.

Some officials in the cityalready on the defense

after Trump claimed last weekin his State of the Union

that El Paso had one of thehighest violent crime rates

in the country until a barrier was built.

Democrat RepresentativeVeronica Escobar says

that information is wrong.

- At the President's Stateof the Union Address,

he claimed that my community,El Paso, Texas, quote

"used to have extremelyhigh rates of violent crime

"one of the highest in theentire country" end quote.

And he claimed that we become one of the

safest communities inAmerica because of the wall.

Data from the FBI's UniformCrime Reporting Program

shows that El Paso has historically been

one of the safestcommunities in the nation,

and that we were such longbefore a wall was constructed.

- Trump's visit to theborder wall, by the way,

follows stalled negotiationsthis past weekend

over the number of bedsthat can be used by

detained illegal immigrants.

And tonight, on CBN's Faith Nation

we'll have a look at thePresident's trip to El Paso

and on the battle over a border wall

with the latest from theWhite House and Capitol Hill.

That's on Faith Nation, onlyon the CBN news channel.

A Virginia lawmaker has backed off a plan

to introduce an impeachment bill to remove

Democratic Lieutenant GovernorJustin Fairfax from office

after allegations of sexual assault

came to light last week.

Fairfax denies the accusation.

Democratic Delegate Patrick Hope

tweeted a statement this morning saying

that he stands behind the victims

and still calls for theresignation of Fairfax,

but says additionalconversations need to take place

before anything is filed.

He tweeted, quote, "thepurpose of this additional time

"is so that we can find the best process

"to investigate these crimes

"with the broadest possible support.

"The impeachment processis about investigating

"to find the truth".

This as the Governor andState Attorney General

are embroiled in their own scandals.

Both have acknowledged wearingblackface in the 1980s.

Several state and nationalDemocratic leaders

are calling for GovernorRalph Northam to resign.

Northam says he won't step down.

- Virginia needs someone that can heal.

There's no better personto do that than a doctor.

Virginia also needs someone who is strong,

who has empathy, who has courage,

and who has a moral compass.

And that's why I'm not going anywhere.

I have learned from this,I have a lot more to learn.

- If the Governor, Lieutenantand Lieutenant Governor

and Attorney all leaveoffice or are removed,

the Speaker of the Housewould become Governor.

He's a Republican, which is giving

the Democratic officeholders another reason

to try to keep their positions.

New Jersey is now thesecond state in the nation

to require schools toteach about LGBTQ history.

Under the new law, public school teachers

must include lessons aboutthe political, social

and economic contributions ofgay and transgender people.

New Jersey Governor,Democrat Phil Murphy says

he was honored to signthe legislation into law.

He tweeted, "LGBTQ+ historyis part of our shared story,

"and students deserve to know it.

"Proud to sign a billthat makes New Jersey

"the second state in the nation to require

"an LGBTQ+ inclusivecurriculum in our schools".

California was the firststate to pass such a law.

Overseas, the Pentagon's top official

made an unannounced visitto Afghanistan today

to meet with US commandersand Afghan leaders

amid a push for peace with the Taliban.

US officials say they have no orders

to pull troops from the country,

but Afghan officials say that it is

part of the Taliban's top lists of demands

in exchange for apossible peace agreement.

The Trump administration islooking at all possibilities

for ending the 17-year war;

the longest in American history.

- My overall goal is

that the direction of thePresident and Secretary of State

not to seek a withdrawalagreement but a peace agreement

because a peace agreementcan allow withdrawal

but it is not just a withdrawal agreement

that we are seeking.

To achieve a peace agreement,

quite a number of issueshave to be dealt with.

- Officials say theyhope a final deal is made

before Afghanistan's presidential election

in July.

40 years ago today, aradical Iranian cleric

lead the overthrow ofhis country's government

and installed and Islamist regime.

It still stands as the world'sleading sponsor of terror.

As CBN's John Waage explains,

Israel stands on thefront line to prevent Iran

from expanding westward anddestroying the Jewish state.

- In 1979, the world was introduced

to the menacing glare ofthe Ayatollah Khomeini.

His Iranian revolutionousted the Shah of Iran,

a US ally, and put itsmark on American history

with a hostage crisis thatlasted more than a year.

It's leaders began to purge the country

of Western influence, and set Iran

on a path of expansionand Islamist terror.

During the revolution, the US was dubbed,

"The Great Satan" by the ruling mullahs.

Still, most of their hatedwas reserved for the country

they called "The Little Satan", Israel.

For four decades, they havevowed to wipe it off the map.

The show of force continued this month

as Iran paraded its missiles in Tehran.

- I think a clash is inevitable.

- [John] Middle Eastexpert, Michael Widlanski

says according to Israeli military sources

Iran has armed Hezbollah and Lebanon

with enough missiles tobombard all of Israel

for weeks.

- Lebanon itself is so well-armed with

Hezbollah missiles and rockets,

that Israel could face

every day

not ten rockets, not 100 rockets,

but 2500 rocket attacks every day

over a period of three weeks.

- [John] And thatdoesn't take into account

Iran's nuclear program.

In last year's UN address

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

exposed the secret nuclear site

with 300 tons of nuclear material.

- Now I also have a message today

for the tyrants of Tehran.

Israel knows what you are doing

and Israel knows where you are doing it.

Israel will never let a regime

that calls for our destructionto develop nuclear weapons.

Not now,

not in ten years,

not ever.

- [John] While Widlanski warns

Israel can take care of itself,

he worries if the mullahs aren't stopped,

their grand design couldswallow up the region.

- The Iranians want ShiaIslam to be the face of Islam.

That means they want togo after Saudi Arabia,

Iraq,

Kuwait.

They want to go after all their neighbors

and project their force all the way

to the Mediterranean and to the Atlantic.

They want to go through Lebanon,

and then through North Africa.

They want to go through Yemen.

They have a real, realexpansionist process

which is similar to what theCommunists and the Nazis had.

This is not just a religious calling,

this is very serious

power politics strategy play.

- [John] John Waage, CBN News, Jerusalem.

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immersed in the daily activitiesof a Ukrainian orphanage

as we waited to adopt three sisters.

I saw first-hand the utter loneliness,

the pain of rejection

and the overwhelming desire to be loved.

That experience changed me forever

and out of it grew aministry from my heart

called Orphan's Promise.

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in more than 50 countries worldwide.

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