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- Populist revolution.

Is that what American's voted for

when they elected DonaldTrump two years ago

or something else?

He's definitely rejected globalism

in favor of American nationalism

Many people say his policies

have helped provide for morejobs for American workers.

So is this President apopulist or a pragmatist?

Will the populist wave of the2016 presidential election

carry into the upcoming midterm election?

Well joining us is Steve Hilton.

He's host of the Fox Newsprogram, The Next Revolution,

and author of the newly releasedbook, Positive Populism.

Steve, thanks for joining us.

First, in your book, youtalked about the elite

of both political parties,

how they were shocked when Trump won,

so what didn't they getabout the populist wave

that swept Donald Trumpinto the White House?

- I think the main thing that was missed

was the fact that, for many decades now,

irrespective of who haswon actual elections,

you've had the same policyagenda driven forward,

which was basically enthusiasticabout globalization,

automation in the economy,centralization of government,

and uncontrolled immigration.

And all those things benefitedthe people at the top.

They did really well out of it.

So their lives were great.

And that's why I think they missed it.

What they didn't see wasthe working Americans

were losing out.

The people who actually do the hard work

and hope to benefit,they were missing out.

And that'd been going on for a long time

and they missed that and,therefore, they didn't understand

just how angry peoplehad gotten about the fact

that, whether they votedRepublican or Democrat,

nothing ever seemed to change.

The rich got richer and theirlives seemed to get worse.

- Well, I think some people would say

Trump is an elitist himself.

After all, he is a billionaire.

So how is he different, Steve,

from other wealthy, powerful people?

- I think there's a reallyimportant difference.

I'm so glad you asked that question

because it goes to the heart of this.

There's a difference betweenthe elite and elitism.

Elitism is, in my view, an ideology

of the kind of policies I was explaining,

the globalism and so on.

It's a policy agendy, elitism,that benefits the elite.

You can be in the elite, amember of it, and reject elitism.

I, frankly, would put myselfin that same position too.

I have a show on Fox News.

I think that puts me firmly in the elite.

But I care about thispositive populist agenda,

which I think President Trump

just was at the beginningof this movement.

And what I'm trying todo with my book is say

okay, how do we now take that revolution,

that populist revolution,

that was expressed in the 2016 election

and turn it into real lasting change,

a real movement forchange with positive ideas

for how to rebuilt economic security

and family and community in America?

Those are the things I thinkare at the heart of this,

is people's economic security,family, and community,

and I think that that'swhat positive populism,

for me, is all about.

- And it isn't just here.

It's in Great Britain.

Donald Trump supported, andI'm sure he would even say

predicted the positive vote for Britain

to leave the European Union, Brexit.

Now there's a push by someBrits to vote on Brexit again.

Is the populist movementthere fizzling out?

- Well, it's reallyinteresting what's going on.

And it really mirrorswhat's happening here too

in a sense that the people whohave had power for so long,

the elitists, if you'd like,who are in positions of power,

not just the politicians, butthe permanent bureaucracy,

what we've now startedto call the deep state,

big corporations who arevery closely connected,

they hated the fact thatthey lost power in 2016

both in the presidential election here,

but also in terms of the Brexit vote

where you had all of thealliance of the elitists

against Brexit, but itwent through anyway.

Now they're trying to get that power back.

In the UK, they're tryingto undermine Brexit

and overturn that result.

And we see here in America,

they're doing exactly the same thing.

You see it with all the reporting

of the way the people around Donald Trump

and throughout the bureaucracyare trying to undermine

and sabotage his agenda,

that anonymous op-edin The New York Times,

and just now with Rod Rosenstein recently.

One after another, almost daily,

you're seeing evidence of the elitists

trying to undermine that result.

Now the difference is that, here,

you've got someone atthe top, Donald Trump,

who really believes in it andis trying to push it through,

whereas in the UK, PrimeMinister Theresa May,

remember, was against Brexit.

She's now leading a government

that's trying to make it happen,

but she actually campaigned against it,

so the reason it may besomewhat fizzling out

is that you don't have thatstrong populist movement

pushing it forward.

- Well, so then what doyou think's gonna happen

in the UK and then hereback across the pond?

This populist wave thatswept Trump into office,

are we going to see the push continue

in the upcoming midetermor is it fizzling out

both in the UK and here?

- No, I don't think it's fizzling out here

because the people whovoted for Donald Trump.

And also, remember that populism

is not just a phenomenon on the right.

You see it also on theleft with Bernie Sanders,

support for him in the 2016 campaign.

And so I think workingAmericans, generally,

want really big change.

Now the reason I've writtenthis book, Positive Populism,

is to contribute to thegrowth of a movement

that lasts beyond one election cycle,

even beyond one presidentialcampaign and one presidency.

And so you get people whounderstand what it means

to have a policy agendathat is pro-worker,

pro-family, and pro-community,

and people are electedall throughout our system

to push those ideas forward.

That's exactly what I'm hoping to happen,

that this populist revolution,

that this spark that happened then

actually turns into a lastingmovement for the long term.

- Steve Hilton, we loveyour show on Fox News.

You're a host and author ofthe book Positive Populism.

We thank you for joining us.

- It's a pleasure, thanks.