Andrew framed and arrested Jameel on false charges, and both ended up in prison. They join The 700 Club to tell their story and how they chose true reconciliation.
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GORDON ROBERTSON:
Well, Andrew Collins
used to brag that he could tell
if someone had drugs on them
just by looking at them.
Still, his most
famous arrest came
after he cuffed a man
who didn't have any.
But that didn't stop Andrew
from filing a police report
against an innocent
man, and ultimately, it
landed both men behind bars.
NARRATOR: Andrew Collins woke up
on February 8, 2006, determined
to make a drug bust.
He was narcotics cop trying
to make a name for himself.
Jameel McGee headed to the
grocery store that morning
and had no idea he wouldn't see
his infant son for three more
years.
Andrew set his sights on Jameel
as he walked into the store.
Then, falsely accused Jameel
of possessing crack cocaine.
Jameel spent three years
in a federal prison
as an innocent man, hoping
to one day get revenge.
But two years later,
after an investigation
for falsifying police reports,
Andrew also went to prison.
In their book, "Convicted,"
Jameel and Andrew
share how their paths
crossed as free men,
and why Jameel chose to pursue
forgiveness and reconciliation
for themselves, their
community, and our racially
divided country.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Well,
for the rest of this story,
we bring in Andrew
Collins and Jameel McGee.
And welcome to "The 700 Club."
ANDREW AND JAMEEL:
Thanks for having us.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Jameel,
I'm reading this story
and I've got to say, if
it wasn't for bad luck,
you wouldn't have any luck.
It just seems to be an
ongoing thing with you.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Yes.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Do you ever
sort of cry out, why, God?
JAMEEL MCGEE: Oh, I
did, plenty of times.
Why me?
But now I know why.
I needed to get through those
things to be who I am today.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
Well, I've got to say
that you're giving Nelson
Mandela a run for his money
to come through with a smile.
Take us back to the day
when you got arrested.
You were going to see your son.
JAMEEL MCGEE: My
son's mother was
on her way to bring him for me
to see him for the first time.
I'd just went to go to the
store and get some stuff.
I got pulled over that morning
for driving on a suspended
license, so I didn't want
to make that decision
to drive again.
My cousin's friends was
at my auntie's house
where I was living at the time.
And I asked them, could
I go to the store?
Would they take me to the store?
And they was like,
yeah, I'll take you.
I'll run you over there.
And we get to the store late.
He asked me to use my phone.
I grabbed my phone,
went inside the store,
and man, when I came
out, it wasn't pretty.
I was being arrested
for possession
of drugs, which I didn't have.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
Did you did you
think it was just a big
mistake and everything was
going to get cleared up?
JAMEEL MCGEE: Yes.
Even the officer
that I was in his car
said, just calm, because
I was very, very upset.
And he was just like, calm down.
If you don't have nothing to do
with this, then worry about it.
It'll all be cleared up
when we get to the station.
And when we got to the
station, I was sent to jail.
GORDON ROBERTSON: It got worse.
JAMEEL MCGEE:
Yeah, it got worse.
GORDON ROBERTSON: All right,
Andrew, I'll turn to you.
What was going on
with you that day?
Why did you arrest him?
ANDREW COLLINS: Yeah, so
it started the day-- caught
a guy with some crack cocaine.
He made a phone call, ordered
up some more crack cocaine,
and then he told me where
the vehicle would be
and who was bringing it.
So I had in my mind
who the target was.
When I got to the store,
the vehicle was there.
There was one guy
in the car, but he
had some physical ailments, so
I knew that wasn't my target,
because I knew my guy
wasn't physically disabled.
Then all of a
sudden, another guy
comes out of the store
who ended up being Jameel.
So I thought, there's my guy.
So I went up to him.
And I just walked through
the entire motion that day
thinking, guilty, guilty
until proven innocent.
So my filter was that this
guy was absolutely guilty,
and it was my job
to bridge the gap.
So I ended up lodging him under
the name who I thought he was.
I thought I was going
after this target,
and it was two days later
that it came to my attention
through fingerprints,
that he was not the man.
So I ended up falsifying
the report even further
to make sure that the conviction
stuck, because in my mind,
I was convinced he was guilty.
And it was my job to--
GORDON ROBERTSON: So that's
why you didn't let him go?
ANDREW COLLINS: That's right.
GORDON ROBERTSON: The
finger prints came back.
You have the wrong guy and--
ANDREW COLLINS: I just
changed the report.
I put a supplemental report in
saying, I was wrong that day.
This is who it really was.
GORDON ROBERTSON: This wasn't
the only time you did this.
There's a whole string of these.
ANDREW COLLINS: Yeah.
So there was many
instances where
in the beginning of my
career, I saw it as creatively
articulating my reports.
I saw it as I wasn't
breaking the law,
I was just bending the
law to do my job better.
But looking back on it
now, that's ridiculous,
and it's illegal.
You can't do those things.
GORDON ROBERTSON: And
you went to jail for it.
ANDREW COLLINS: I did.
I ended up getting caught
with crack, heroin,
and marijuana in my office.
And that was the end of my
world as I had built it.
GORDON ROBERTSON: How
long do you spend in jail?
ANDREW COLLINS: So
I did 18 months.
I was looking at 22
years, originally.
I accepted the
Lord at age seven.
I accepted Jesus as my
Savior, but not as my Lord.
So the rest of my life, I kind
of walked out my own lordship.
And that kind of brought me
back to my place of faith.
A three day journey.
Got caught on a Tuesday,
thought about killing myself
on Wednesday, and then talked
to a pastor on Thursday.
And we talked about
that lordship piece.
Even though I had to come back
to Christ, come back to faith,
I still had consequences
I had to walk through.
But we saw God's
grace through it all.
We prayed for God's
grace, and that he
would soften the heart of
the judge and the prosecutor.
So we went from 22 years
to 12 years to 10 years
to seven years to
five years, and then I
ended up with a
37-month sentence,
which I served 18 months on.
GORDON ROBERTSON: All right,
you ultimately get out.
It ultimately comes out
you're wrongfully convicted.
You get out.
And then Andrew's out.
Let's fast forward to the
moment where you see him
and what goes through your mind.
JAMEEL MCGEE: I was angry.
Everything I thought
about in prison
and that I made a goal
for myself in prison--
whenever I got home, I was
going to try to kill him.
I was going to hurt him.
That was my goal.
And then when I came home,
when I first saw him--
now we face-to-face--
I'm like, oh boy, yeah.
It's time to get him.
Right now.
So I beelined right
over there to him.
I stick on my hand and asked
him, do you remember who I was?
And he was acting
like he was kind of--
like yeah.
He said-- and as soon as he
said my name, Jameel McGee,
I grabbed his hand,
and I locked on it.
My mind was telling me just
to hit him right there,
hit him, hit him, hit him.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
So you reach out
your hand to shake his hand?
Then you grab it and,
you're going to hit him.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Yes.
I'm squeezing his hand
really, really tight.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Andrew,
what's going through your mind?
ANDREW COLLINS: Yeah, so I'm
standing in the park that day
during a church
outreach event, and I
see this guy coming at me.
And it was clear that he
was coming straight to me.
I was going through the Rolodex
in my mind of the people who
I had offended.
And as soon as I shook
his hand, it came to me--
Jameel McGee.
And when he gripped down,
I was thinking, oh no,
this is not going to end well.
because I felt like God had
called me back to the city
to be reconciled with people
for the wrongdoings I had done.
He looked at his
son, and he said,
tell my son why he missed out
on years of his daddy's life.
And I said, man, there's
nothing I can do but tell you
I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry for
the things I did.
I was addicted to
myself and my ego.
I'm so sorry for the
things I did to you.
And I wanted
reconciliation that day,
but as you read in
the book, that's
not exactly how that day ended.
GORDON ROBERTSON: How
did that day ended?
ANDREW COLLINS: That day ended
with Jameel leaving the park
after saying some--
just a Christian that--
he said some things to me.
GORDON ROBERTSON: That
you can't say on TV
ANDREW COLLINS: And then we
didn't see each other again.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
But you let go.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Yes, I let go.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Then
what happened to you
when you let go?
JAMEEL MCGEE: Man, some things
started changing for me.
I began to do a lot
of things different
than I normally would.
But when I let go,
I knew then that I
was giving my son something
different to look up to.
So letting go--
GORDON ROBERTSON:
Did he get that?
JAMEEL MCGEE: Oh yeah.
Yes, he got that.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Was
they expecting you to--
JAMEEL MCGEE: Probably so.
GORDON ROBERTSON: --break bad.
ANDREW COLLINS: Everybody
was expecting that that day
at the park.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Pretty much
everybody that was there
expected something to go down--
GORDON ROBERSTON:
And you let go.
JAMELL MCGEE: And I let it go.
GORDON ROBERTSON: You let go.
And now-- and I find this
absolutely amazing-- you
guys are friends.
ANDREW AND JAMEEL: Yes.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
You're friends.
You didn't just let it go.
You said, I'm going to
be part of his life,
and he's going to be
a part of my life.
ANDREW COLLINS: I'm
closer to this man
and than a lot of my family.
It used to be, there
was a lot of that
that was built out of
guilt at the beginning
of our friendship.
And he's just been so
passionate and so caring to me
to allow me to walk
through that process
every time I
apologize to him when
I come to a new revelation
of how wrong I had really
treated him.
And we're able to just
look at life together.
We stand for something
greater than ourselves.
It's a black man who was
innocent but got convicted
and a white police officer.
We understand we stand for
something bigger in our country
right now, and that God has
given us this opportunity.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Well,
let's talk about this.
I mean, how do you view
your story speaking
into "Black Lives Matter?"
ANDREW COLLINS: Yeah.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Hm.
ANDREW COLLINS: I mean,
I look at a month ago,
Jameel had a really bad
encounter with police officers,
where they accused him of
smelling like marijuana,
and by the end of
the day, he's sitting
in the back of a squad
car, almost identical story
from my incident with him.
And as they search his car,
they find our book in the trunk.
And then the whole
scene changes.
They called the tow truck back.
They're no longer
towing his vehicle.
They let him out of the car,
take the handcuffs off of him
even though they've
placed their hands on him.
No drugs were ever found because
no drugs were ever present.
And yet, I get pulled over two
weeks after that because I was
speeding-- because
I was really wrong--
and never once was I worried
about getting pulled out
of my car.
Never once-- I
shook the guy's hand
and thanked him because
he was nice to me.
And he wrote it for five
over instead of 18 over.
There's a difference in
how we perceive things
and how we've experienced
police interactions,
and we get to speak to that.
We'll be in front of the
Michigan State Police
in November.
We've been in front of Little
Rock Police Department,
and we hope that there
will be more opportunities
to speak to police
departments in the cities.
GORDON ROBERTSON: You
think it will change?
JAMEEL MCGEE: I'm hopeful.
ANDREW COLLINS: Amen.
JAMEEL MCGEE: I'm
definitely hopeful.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
Reading your life story,
you have a long history
of really bad encounters
with the police.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Yes.
A lot of that I definitely want
to say, they were my decisions.
They were my decisions and--
GORDON ROBERTSON:
Some of them weren't.
ANDREW COLLINS: When the state
police are pulling you just
because--
JAMEEL MCGEE: Oh
no, not that one.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
That's not on you.
ANDREW COLLINS: Well, like
he shared in our talks
before is, the day that I
arrested him, he chose to--
I can't stand on the
same side as Jameel
and say that it's his fault.
It's not, but he says,
I jumped in the car that day.
And I knew the guys
were up to no good,
but I didn't know they were
doing that at the moment.
JAMEEL MCGEE: But I'm
hopeful though, I'm hopeful.
I'm hopeful it will change, even
though with the last incident
with the police.
It kind of jarred
me a little bit
to make me realize
this is still going on.
It's everywhere.
GORDON ROBERTSON: It's gotta
go deep in your spirit--
not again.
ANDREW COLLINS: Yes.
GORDON ROBERTSON:
Here I am again.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Yes, so
that threw me way off.
It threw me way off.
GORDON ROBERTSON: How
did you get peace?
Because I see it
today-- you're smiling.
This is just a month ago.
This is fresh.
JAMEEL MCGEE: This is fresh.
GORDON ROBERTSON: And you're
smiling, and you're saying,
God is good and I'm
loving life today.
How do you do that?
JAMEEL MCGEE: Man,
I keep pushing.
I know if I fall back off into
the anger, that type of mindset
is not going to change anything.
Because all they're going
to get is the angry guy.
If I change my approach and
keep going about my day,
OK, that happened.
I can't do nothing about--
that just happened.
So I can't do nothing about it.
It already happened.
So what I can do
something about,
is stopping it from
happening to myself again
and other people
that looks like.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Amen.
Keep preaching that.
That's a great message.
I could talk to you
guys for a long time.
We're out of time.
If you want to know
more about this story,
Andrew and Jameel have
collaborated for a book.
It's called
"Convicted," and it's
available in stores nationwide.
I encourage you to get it.
We need answers today.
We certainly know the
problem of what's going on,
and we need answers.
And this book will
show you a way.
Yeah, thanks for being here.
JAMEEL MCGEE: Thank you
ANDREW COLLINS: Thank you
GORDON ROBERTSON: Thanks a lot.