Question-- are people basically good?

I like to believe so.

I like to believe so.

Everybody have their own idea about what's wrong,

what's right, and what's not.

Um--

You're thinking.

I think there's a lot going wrong,

but, I mean, I think people are basically good.

Looking around at society now, what do you think?

I'd say you got a 50-50 shot.

Morality, integrity-- where's that in our culture today?

Less than it was before.

You know, I like to think I'm a very moral person,

but you don't see it in society these days

with the kids growing up how they are.

I mean, I think basically people want to be moral.

I think morality overall in America

is pretty low right now.

The morality among the large group of people

that still attends church--

Ah.

--it's very high.

Is that a key, going to church?

The key is the family unit.

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It doesn't anymore.

Well, yeah, it does.

That's a good statement, good.

It is.

Take two.

Do you ever hear of the word sin, S-I-N?

What does it mean to you?

It means bad-- like, bad things.

I mean, sin, basic-- the biblical term of sin, or--?

It's doing the things that God doesn't want us to do.

It's doing things that's going against what is good.

Sin.

All right.

I'm not--

What is it?

I don't know if I equate morality with sin.

No?

No.

You can be immoral, and that's not sin?

I think it-- well, I think that would be a sin.

I guess I just don't use that terminology.

I just think it got written off years ago.

What is sin?

I'm not going to tackle that question.

I know better.

Why?

Are you a sinner?

Again, I'm leaving that question out of the picture.

Why?

I don't want to go there.

Are you a sinner?

I'm sure I am.

[LAUGHING] You're sure you are?

I'm just being honest with you.

Have you sinned?

Yes, we all have.

Do you sin?

I don't think so.

Do you ever sin?

You've never sinned in your entire life, ever?

You ever told a lie, a white lie?

And did you get caught?

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What did you do about it then?

Uh, I don't know.