New York Times’ best-selling author and pastor, Max Lucado discusses his new book Anxious for Nothing.
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Gordon: TRAPPED BY
HIS OWN ADDICTION...
I WAS SITTING THERE
SAYING TO MYSELF, WHY AM I
HERE?
AM I HERE TO DIE?
Gordon: FIND OUT HOW
HIS QUESTION WAS ANSWERED.
PLUS "NEW YORK TIMES"
BEST-SELLING AUTHOR MAX
LUCADO SHARES THE MOMENT
UNDERLINED PASSAGE IN THE
BIBLE.
AND...HOW TO AVOID LIFE'S
ANXIETIES, ON TODAY'S "700
CLUB INTERACTIVE."
WELL, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
AS CLEANUP CONTINUES IN
THE WAKE OF HURRICANES
IRMA AND HARVEY, STORIES
LIKE THIS ONE CONTINUE TO
SURFACE.
13-YEAR-OLD VIRGIL SMITH'S
HOME IN DICKENSON, TEXAS,
WAS FLOODED DUE TO
HURRICANE HARVEY.
WHILE TAKING SHELTER AT A
NEIGHBOR'S SECOND FLOOR
APARTMENT, VI VIRGIL GOT A
DESPERATE CALL FROM HER
FRIEND.
HE SWAM BACK TO HIS
APARTMENT, THROUGH THE
FLOODWATERS, PICKED UP AN
AIR MATTRESS, AND BEGAN
RESCUING HIS NEIGHBORS, 17
IN TOTAL.
HELP, HELP!
IT WAS, LIKE, WE'RE HERE.
ALL I'M THINKING ABOUT
IS I KNOW HE IS ABLE TO
SAY, HE CAN RESCUE, HE CAN
SWIM.
I HAD FAITH IN THE LORD
THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING
TO BE ALL RIGHT.
IT FEELS LIKE V.J., CAN
YOU COME AND HELP US
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE CAN'T
SWIM.
I THANK GOD THERE IS NO
SNAKES OR ALLIGATORS
DIDN'T BITE US.
Gordon: WAY TO GO,
VIRGIL.
THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING
TO DO.
AND HEROS ARE COMING OUT
OF THESE TRAGEDIES.
> WELL SOME TEXANS HAVE
LIVED IN THE SAME PLACE
FOR DECADES, AND THEY
NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH
FLOODED HOMES UNTIL
HARVEY.
WHEN THE HURRICANE HIT,
THEY HAD TO FLEE, AND THEY
WERE SHOCKED BY WHAT THEY
SAW WHEN THEY RETURNED.
Reporter: WHEN THE
RELENTLESS RAIN OF
HURRICANE HARVEY CAUSED
CATASTROPHIC FLOODING IN
EAST TEXAS, MOST VICTIMS
HAD NEVER SEEN LIKE IT.
I WAS HERE IN THIS
HOUSE.
AND I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 50
YEARS.
AND I NEVER HAD ANY WATER
COME EVEN INTO MY YARD,
MUCH LESS INTO MY HOUSE.
Reporter: A SMALL,
STEADY STREAM FLOWS IN
FRONT OF LEROY'S CURB, BUT
AT THE HEIGHT OF THE
STORM, IT REACHED SIX FEET
IN HIS FAMILY HOME, WHERE
HE RAISED HIS KIDS, AND UP
UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO,
HOSTED HIS SEVEN
GRANDCHILDREN.
LEROY'S SON, JOSEPH,
REMEMBERS THE TERRIFYING
NIGHT WHEN THE WATER
WOULDN'T STOP RISING.
HE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH
TIME AT ALL.
BEFORE HE KNEW IT, IT WAS
MIDWAY TO THE DRIVEWAY,
AND THE NEXT THING IT WAS
COMING UP INTO THE GARAGE
AND HAVING TO BE
EVACUATED.
EVENTUALLY THE POLICE
AND SOME PEOPLE COME IN
AND SAID, YOU'VE GOT TO
GET OUT.
YOU'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES.
WE'RE GOING TO GO SEE THE
OTHER HOUSES AND COME BY
AND PICK YOU UP.
I JUST GRABBED WHAT I
COULD.
Reporter: EVERYTHING
LEFT BEHIND WAS DESTROYED.
WHEN THE FLOODWATERS
RECEDED, "OPERATION
BLESSING" SPRUNG INTO
ACTION.
I HAD NO IDEA YOU GUYS
WERE COMING.
SEEING YOU...YOU KNOW,
MAKES YOU BELIEVE.
NEVER LOSE FAITH.
Reporter: REMOVING
WATER-LOGGED CARPETS AND
KNOCKING OUT MOLDING
WALLS, "OPERATION
BLESSING" VOLUNTEERS
HELPED TURN A NIGHTMARE
INTO A CHANCE FOR RENEWED
FAITH.
THERE IS MORE GOOD
PEOPLE THAN I THOUGHT
THERE WAS.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS JUST
BEEN SO HELPFUL HERE.
I'M JUST OVERWHELMED.
I CAN'T SAY THE RIGHT
WORDS TO EVEN COME CLOSE
TO EXPRESSING HOW GRATEFUL
I AM.
Gordon: AND THANK
YOU.
IF YOU'RE A PART OF "THE
700 CLUB," YOU'RE PART OF
THAT RELIEF EFFORT.
IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER, WE
ENCOURAGE YOU TO JOIN.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE ENCOURAGE
YOU TO BE A PART OF THE
"OPERATION BLESSING"
DISASTER RELIEF FUND.
THAT'S A DESIGNATED FUND,
WHERE 100% OF YOUR GIFT
WILL GO INTO DISASTER
RELIEF.
SO WHETHER IT IS IRMA IN
FLORIDA, HARVEY IN TEXAS,
OR THIS BRAND NEW STORM
BEARING DOWN, MARIA,
YOU'RE A PART OF IT.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE
SUPPORT IN ORDER TO MAKE
IT POSSIBLE TO HELP PEOPLE
IN THEIR TIME OF NEED.
SO IF YOU WANT TO BE A
PART OF IT, ALL YOU HAVE
TO DO IS CALL US:
1-800-700-7000.
AND SAY, I WANT TO BE A
PART OF GIVING TO THE
"OPERATION BLESSING"
DISASTER RELIEF FUND.
IF YOU WANT TO WRITE A
CHECK, JUST PUT "OPERATION
BLESSING" DISASTER IN THE
MEMO LINE.
THERE IS ALSO A PLACE ON
THE WEBSITE, AND ON THE
"OPERATION BLESSING"
WEBSITE, WHERE YOU CAN
DESIGNATE YOUR GIFT.
SO ANY WAY YOU CHOOSE, DO
IT NOW.
1-800-700-7000.
> WELL, 3-YEAR-OLD
CAMDEN WOODEN HAS FACED
ADVERSITY SINCE THE DAY HE
WAS BORN.
DUE TO A RARE BIRTH
DEFECT, CAMDEN WAS BORN
WITHOUT ARMS OR LEGS.
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T STOP
HIM FROM BEING A BLESSING
TO HIS MOM AND YOUNGER
SIBLINGS.
TAKE A LOOK.
[BABY NOISES]
Gordon: THAT'S AN
AMAZING VIDEO.
CAMDEN'S MOTHER SAYS SHE
IS AMAZED BY HIS
DETERMINATION AND HIS
ABILITY.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE IN
THIS POST ON INSTAGRAM,
SHE SAYS, "SO IN LOVE WITH
MY FEARFULLY AND
WONDERFULLY MADE BOYS."
AND WHAT A TESTAMENT TO
LIFE.
LET'S HAVE LIFE AND HAVE
IT MORE AB ABUNDANTLY.
> WELL, COLLEGE FOOTBALL
SEASON IS JUST A FEW WEEKS
OLD, AND IT HAS ALREADY
GIVEN US A GREAT STORY.
THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA HAS
A NEW FAMILY CHILDREN'S
HOSPITAL BUILT OVERLOOKING
THE HAWKEYE STADIUM.
DURING THE TEAM'S HOME
OPENER, PATIENTS GATHERED
TOGETHER TO WATCH THE
GAME, AND THAT'S WHEN
SOMETHING SPECIAL
HAPPENED.
AFTER THE END OF THE FIRST
QUARTER, IN HOPES OF
ENCOURAGING THE CHILDREN
AND THEIR FAMILIES, 70,000
FANS TURNED IN UNISON TO
WAVE HELLO.
UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS HOPE
THIS WILL BECOME A NEW
TRADITION.
AND THE UNDEFEATED IOWA
HAWKEYES NOW HOST A BIG
GAME THIS WEEKEND.
THEY'RE TAKING ON NUMBER
FOUR, PENN STATE, AND WE
WISH THEM ALL OF THE BEST.
WHAT A WONDERFUL THING TO
DO.
> UP NEXT, IT IS THE
Gordon: AN ESTIMATED
40 MILLION AMERICAN ADULTS
SUFFER FROM ANXIETY
DISORDERS.
HOW DO WE FIND CALM IN A
CHAOTIC WORLD?
"NEW YORK TIMES"
BEST-SELLING AUTHOR MAX
LUCADO HAS THE ANSWER.
Reporter:
BEST-SELLING AUTHOR MAX
LUCADO SAYS CHANCES ARE
YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW
STRUGGLES WITH ANXIETY.
BUT HE SAYS THERE ARE WAYS
TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THE
WORRIES OF LIFE.
A NEW DAY AWAITS YOU,
MY FRIEND.
A NEW SEASON, IN WHICH YOU
WILL WORRY LESS AND TRUST
MORE.
REDUCED FEAR AND ENHANCED
FAITH.
Reporter: IN HIS
LATEST BOOK, "ANXIOUS FOR
NOTHING," MAX PROVIDES A
ROADMAP TO WORRY-FREE
LIVING AND OFFERS
PRACTICAL TIPS TO FINDING
CALM IN A CHAOTIC WORLD.
Gordon: MAX LUCADO
JOINS US NOW.
WE TEASED IT, SO I'VE GOT
TO ASK THE QUESTION: WHAT
IS THE MOST UNDERLINED
VERSE IN THE BIBLE.
I COULDN'T HELP BUT
NOTICE THE FELLOW FISHING
IN THE VIDEO THERE, HE
DOESN'T HAVE A CARE --
Gordon: HE DOESN'T
HAVE CARE IN THE WORLD.
PHILIPPIANS 4, 6-7.
ACCORDING TO KINDLE, THE
DOWNLOADABLE BOOKS
PROCEDURE, THEY MEASURE
WHAT IS THE DOWNLOADED
BOOK, AND WHAT IS THE MOST
UNDERLINED PART OF THAT
BOOK.
ACCORDING TO THEM,
PHILIPPIANS 4, 6-7, IS THE
MOST UNDERLINED PASSAGE OF
ANY BOOK ANYWHERE IN THE
WORLD.
Gordon: THAT IS
SURPRISING TO ME.
I'M NOT SURE WHY.
I GUESS IN MODERN CULTURE,
WE ARE ANXIOUS A LOT.
THE PACE OF LIFE, THE PACE
OF TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGE,
THE PACE OF ANY KIND OF
CHANGE -- EVERYTHING SEEMS
TO BE ACCELERATING.
IT DOES, DOESN'T IT?
I'VE READ THERE HAVE BEEN
MORE CHANGES IN THE LAST
30 YEARS THAN IN THE LAST
300 COMBINED.
YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN TODAY
SOMEBODY WAS ASKING ME,
ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE
NEW PHONE?
AND I THOUGHT, THERE IS A
NEW PHONE?
I CAN'T KEEP UP.
I'M BARELY LEARNING HOW TO
USE THE PHONE I HAVE.
Gordon: MY SMARTPHONE
MAKES ME SEEM DUMB.
[LAUGHTER]
Gordon: I LIKE USING
IT, BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T
UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS
DOING.
IT IS A FRANTIC PACE.
AND, ALSO, THERE IS JUST
THE ISSUE OF WE'RE
BOMBARDED BY NEWS UPDATES.
AND NEWS IS, BY NATURE,
NEGATIVE.
SO IF I'M GETTING ALERTS
THROUGHOUT THE DAY OF A
NEW DEVELOPMENT, POTENTIAL
WAR, NUCLEAR CONFLICT,
NORTH KOREA, AND NOW
HURRICANES -- WE FEEL LIKE
WE'RE -- EVERY TIME WE
TURN AROUND THERE IS
SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS
NEGATIVE --
Gordon: SOMETHING
NEW.
AND OUR ANCESTORS
DIDN'T DEAL WITH THAT.
100 YEARS OWING AGO OR 50 YEARS
AGO, IF YOU HEARD NEWS, IT
WAS ONCE A WEEK, OR MAYBE
ONCE A DAY, DEPENDING ON
WHERE YOU LIVED.
Gordon: OR ONCE A
DECADE.
YES.
YOU NEVER HEARD WHAT WAS
HAPPENING IN NEPAL OR
AUSTRALIA.
BUT NOW WE HAVE TO LEARN
HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.
Gordon: SO HOW DO WE
DEAL WITH IT?
WE ALL UNDERSTAND "BE
ANXIOUS FOR NOTHING," AND
REALIZE THAT'S A GOAL.
I CAN CONFESS THAT I CAN
KNOW THAT INTELLECTUALLY,
BUT IN MY HEART I'M GOING,
I'M ANXIOUS.
SO HOW DO IT GET THROUGH
IT?
THE REAL MESSAGE IS THE
PASSAGE, "BE ANXIOUS FOR
NOTHING."
THE BETTER EXPLANATION IS
DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO
BE IN A STATE OF PERPETUAL
ANXIETY.
THE APOSTLE PAUL, WRITING
THIS EPISAL IN THE BOOK --
EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN
PRISON, HE DIDN'T MAKE ONE
COMPLAINT.
HE SAYS, CELEBRATE GOD,
REJOICE IN THE LORD, THEN
ASK GOD FOR HELP, BE
ANXIOUS FOR NOTHING, BUT
IN EVERYTHING BY PRAYER
AND PETITION, ASK HIM.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO
MEDITATE ON GOOD THINGS.
HE GIVES NINE VIRTUES TO
MEDITATE ON.
TURN AND START TO MEDITATE
ON THINGS THAT ARE TRUE
AND GOOD AND NOBLE AND SO
FORTH.
CELEBRATE GOD, ASK GOD FOR
HELP, LEAVE YOUR CONCERNS
WITH HIM, MEDITATE ON GOOD
THINGS, C-A-L-M.
Gordon: WHY IS
THANKSGIVING SO IMPORTANT?
IN MY LOY, LIFE, I REALIZED GOD
INHABITS THE THANKSGIVING
OF PEOPLE.
HE DOESN'T I INHABIT YOUR
COMPLAINTS.
WHY IS THANKSGIVING SO
IMPORTANT?
WELL, THE HEART CANNOT,
AT ONE TIME, HOUSE ANXIETY
AND GRATITUDE.
ONE MOVES THE OTHER OUT.
AND GRATITUDE ALWAYS WINS.
A GREAT EXERCISE IN
DEALING WITH ANXIETY IS TO
TURN AWAY FROM WHAT IS
TROUBLING YOU AND MAKE A
LIST OF THE BLESSINGS THAT
YOU HAVE.
BY THE TIME YOU WRITE 10
THINGS DOWN THAT YOU'RE
THANKFUL FOR, YOU'LL FIND
THE ANXIETY IS
DIMINISHING, MAYBE EVEN
EXITING, BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T SHARE THE SAME
HEART.
THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT
GRATITUDE AND ANXIETY,
THEY DON'T GET ALONG.
AND GRATITUDE ALWAYS SHOWS
THE DOOR TO ANXIETY.
Gordon: WHY, WHEN
WE'RE IN THE STRESS -- WHY
DO WE NOT GO TO GOD WITH
IT?
I THINK ANOTHER KEY IN --
THE KEY IN YOUR BOOK IS
LET YOUR REQUESTS BE MADE
KNOWN.
HOW DO WE OVERCOME THE
TENDENCY TO SAY, I'VE GOT
TO MANAGE THIS OR I'VE GOT
TO DEAL WITH THIS, OR I'VE
GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.
YEAH.
YEAH.
I THINK IT IS A LEARNED
SKILL, GORDON.
I THINK IT IS A CHALLENGE
THAT WE ALL FACE.
I KNOW I FACE IT.
AND THAT IS, I WANT TO FIX
THINGS MYSELF OR I FEEL
LIKE IT IS ALL UP TO ME.
THE BIBLE IS SUGARED OR
SEASONED WITH THESE
PROMISES, LIKE, CAST ALL
YOUR CARES UPON HIM
BECAUSE HE CARES FOR YOU.
THIS ONE WE'RE STUDYING
HERE, BE ANXIOUS FOR
NOTHING, BUT BY PRAYER AND
PETITION, LET EVERYTHING
BE MADE KNOWN TO GOD.
SO THE HEAD WE CAN DEVELOP
IS THE SECOND WE BEGIN TO
FEEL THAT ANXIETY,
WHATEVER IT IS IN YOUR
BODY OR MY BODY -- FOR ME,
IT IS MY NECK GETS TIGHT.
THE SECOND I FEEL THAT, I
SAY, LORD, I'M GOING TO
GIVE THIS TO YOU BEFORE IT
GETS TO ME.
Gordon: WHY DON'T
MORE PEOPLE GET THIS?
I HEAR CONTINUALLY, I'M
STRESSED OUT.
I HEAR THAT A LOT AND IT
IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS,
WHEN I HEAR THAT IT IM
PARTS TO ME BECAUSE I
START WORRYING ABOUT THEM.
AND DON'T WE DESIRE NOT
TO BE THAT WAY?
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO
SAYS, I CAN'T WAIT TO GET
MORE ANXIOUS.
WE ALL WANT TO FIND A WAY
TO DEAL WITH IT.
I THINK IT IS A REAL
SITUATION IN OUR CULTURE.
I JUST HAVE A HUNCH THAT
THE DIVISION IN OUR
CULTURE, THIS POLARIZATION
IN OUR CULTURE -- ANXIETY
CREATES COMBATIVE PEOPLE,
AND CONSEQUENTLY WE FIND
IT DIFFICULT TO HAVE
IMPORTANT DIALOGUES ABOUT
VERY IMPORTANT TOPICS,
BECAUSE I FEAR THAT
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO
DISAGREE WITH ME OR PROVE
ME WRONG.
BUT IF I'M CONFIDENT THAT
GOD IS A GOOD GOD, AND GOD
IS IN CONTROL, AND HE IS
GOING TO LEAD US ALL
THROUGH THIS, THAT OPENS
THE DOOR, I THINK, TO MORE
INCREASED DIALOGUE AND
CONVERSATION.
Gordon: CAN YOU DO A
BIBLE STUDY ON CAPITOL
HILL?
I THINK WE NEED IT.
[LAUGHTER]
Gordon: GO TO THE
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
AND SAY, HERE IS HOW WE
CAN GET THERE.
YOU KNOW, EVEN ON --
I'M NOT A GREAT SOCIAL
MEDIA GURU, BUT I DO
Facebook.
I DO THESE MESSAGES ON
Facebook.
AND I NOTICED THAT THERE
ARE SO MANY TRIGGER POINTS
WITH PEOPLE.
AND THEY CAN'T JUST SAY I
DISAGREE.
THEY'VE GOT TO TELL YOU
HOW BAD YOU ARE.
Gordon: THEY'VE GOT
TO SHRED YOU.
THEY'VE GOT TO SHRED
YOU.
SO IT IS AN ANGRY WORLD WE
LIVE IN.
I'M TRYING TO TRACE THAT,
WHERE DOES ALL OF ALL OF
THAT COME FROM?
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH JUST
THIS ANXIETY THAT IS
SETTLED UPON US.
Gordon: LET'S TALK
ABOUT THE END OF IT, AND
MAY THE PEACE OF GOD COME
AND GUARD YOUR HEART AND
MIND.
YEAH.
Gordon: WHY DO WE
TEND TO BLOCK THAT?
BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY LIFE,
WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET TO
THAT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE I
RESIST HIS PEACE.
DO YOU?
Gordon: THERE WAS ONE
TIME I WAS PRAYING, AND I
WAS POURING OUT MY
COMPLAINT, AND THIS IS
BEFORE I REALIZED HE
DOESN'T INHABIT THOSE, BUT
HE IS STILL THERE.
IN HIM WE LIVE AND MOVE
AND HAVE OUR BEING.
THAT STILL, SMALL VOICE,
BUT I AM WITH YOU.
AND I WANTED TO ARGUE WITH
IT.
IT'S, LIKE, DON'T YOU
UNDERSTAND?
BUT I AM WITH YOU.
AND THAT SHOULD HAVE
BROUGHT ALL OF THE PEACE I
NEEDED, BUT AT THAT MOMENT
I WANTED TO RESIST IT.
WHY DO WE DO THAT?
WE WANT A SOLUTION WHEN
GOD JUST WANTS TO GIVE US
HIS PRESENCE, RIGHT?
AND THAT'S PART OF THE
PROMISE.
REJOICE IN THE LORD
ALWAYS, LET YOUR
GENTLENESS BE MADE EVIDENT
TO ALL BECAUSE THE LORD IS
NEAR.
SO THE APOSTLE, I THINK,
IS SAYING, SOMETIMES GOD
DOESN'T GIVE YOU A
SOLUTION.
HE DOESN'T DISENTANGLE THE
PROBLEM.
HE JUST SAYS, I'LL WALK
WITH YOU THROUGH IT.
I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF IT
WITH YOU.
Gordon: AND PAUL IS
SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE.
HE IS WRITING FROM A
PRISON CELL.
AND HE IS SAYING, I HAVE
FOUND THE SECRET TO
CONTENTMENT.
YES.
AND HE HAD REASON TO
COMPLAIN.
CHURCHES WERE SQUABBLING,
AND THEY'RE NOT QUITE
GETTING ALONE, AND HE IS
WONDERING IF SOME OF THEM
ARE GOING TO MAKE IT.
AND HE HAS NO GUARANTEE HE
IS GOING TO MAKE IT OUT OF
PRISON EVER.
Gordon: IN FACT, HE
WAS GUARANTEED HE WOULD
NOT.
RIGHT.
AND HE HAS PLENTY OF
REASON TO COMPLAIN, BUT HE
DOESN'T.
Gordon: AND HE IS
SAYING, ALL THINGS ARE
GOING TO WORK OUT.
I TRUST HIM.
ANXIETY IS A DEFAULT
EMOTION, I THINK, GORDON.
I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO
DECIDE I'M GOING TO BE
ANXIOUS.
WE DO HAVE TO DECIDE I'M
GOING TO HAVE FAITH.
SO WE GO TO ANXIETY
WITHOUT A DECISION.
IT IS JUST KIND OF THE
NATURAL COURSE WE TAKE.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO DECIDE,
OKAY, TODAY I'M GOING TO
DO MY BEST TO BE A PERSON
OF PEACE.
EVERY TIME I HAVE A
PROBLEM, I'M GOING TO GIVE
IT TO GOD.
Gordon: GOD WORK, AND
GREAT BOOK.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET IT.
IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE MANY
STRESSED OUT AMERICANS,
THIS BOOK IS FOR YOU.
AND IT'S CALLED "ANXIOUS
FOR NOTHING," AND IT IS
AVAILABLE WHEREVER BOOKS
ARE SOLD.
THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.
THANK YOU.
Gordon: COMING UP,
HIS LOVE FOR CRACK COCAINE
MEANT HE LIVED A FEW
Gordon: JOEL SMOKED
HIS FIRST JOINT WHEN HE
WAS JUST EIGHT YEARS OLD.
FROM THEN ON, POT WAS HIS
LIFE AS HE SMOKED IT
BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER
SCHOOL.
AND OVER THE YEARS, JOEL'S
DRUG USE ESCALATED INTO A
FULL-BLOWN CRACK COCAINE
ADDICTION.
UNTIL HE COULDN'T EVEN
BEAR TO LOOK IN A MIRROR.
MY RIBS ARE SHOWING.
MY WHOLE BOTTOM JAW IS
SUCKED IN.
I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK IN
THE MIRROR AT MYSELF.
YOU NEVER LOOK IN THE
MIRROR.
THE MIRROR TELLS THE TALE.
NO ONE LOOKS IN THE
MIRROR, NO ONE.
Reporter: JOEL'S
ADDICTION TOOK HIM TO THE
DEPTHS OF DISPAIR, LIVING
IN A CRACK HOUSE.
HIS PAINFUL JOURNEY BEGAN
AS A CHILD WHEN HIS
PARENTS DIVORCED.
THERE WAS MORE PEACE IN
THE WOODS WITH MY DOG THAN
ANYTHING I'M GOING TO FIND
IN THAT HOUSE.
SO I LEARNED TO GET
COMFORTABLE WITH BEING
ALONE, AND NOT TRYING TO
PUT A WHOLE LOT OF
RELIABILITY ON OTHER
PEOPLE'S AFFECTION, LOVE,
AND CARE, BECAUSE I JUST
LEARNED TO STOP TRUSTING
IT.
Reporter: JOEL STAYED
WITH HIS MOTHER, WHO
SUFFERED FROM MENTAL
ILLNESS.
BECAUSE SHE WAS A
CHRISTIAN, HE BLAMED GOD
FOR HER INABILITY TO LOVE
AND CARE FOR HIM.
FOR DAYS SHE WOULD SIT
AT OUR KITCHEN TABLE AND
NOT MOVE.
COMPLETE CATATONIA.
MY ATTEMPTS TO BE HEARD OR
TO FEEL OR RECEIVE LOVE
FROM MY MOTHER, HE WAS
INCAPABLE OF GIVING IT.
Reporter: HE STARTED
SMOKING POT, HAVING
STARTED WHEN HE WAS JUST
EIGHT YEARS OLD.
WHAT IT IMMEDIATELY DID
WAS TOOK ALL OF THAT
EMOTIONAL DISREGULATION
AND ANGST AND SADNESS, AND
I WENT, THERE IS A REASON
TO LIVE.
I LOVED IT.
I WAS SMOKING MARIJUANA
THREE TIMES A DAY, BEFORE,
DURING, AND AFTER SCHOOL.
IT WAS JUST A LIFESTYLE.
IT IS WHAT I DID TO NOT
REALLY HAVE TO FEEL.
I DON'T WANT TO GET BACK
TO FEELING.
IF I START FEELING, WHAT
AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL
OF THAT?
Reporter: WHEN JOEL
WAS IN HIS 20s,
MARIJUANA BECAME A GATEWAY
TO HARDER DRUGS.
I'D HAD ROOMMATES WHO
DID CRACK COCAINE, AND I
SAID, I'LL TRY IT.
ONCE THE CRACK CAME, IT
WAS ALMOST OVERNIGHT THAT
THIS IS WHAT IS NOW GOING
TO START RUNNING THE SHOW.
Reporter: HIS NEW
ADDICTION CONSUMED EVERY
PART OF HIS LIFE AND SOUL.
IT WAS THAT HORRIBLE
CYCLE OF HUSTLING,
COPPING, GETTING HIGH, ALL
DAY LONG.
AND THE ONLY TIME YOU'RE
GOING TO GO TO SLEEP IS
WHEN YOU'RE COMPLETELY
DEVASTATED IN ALL OF YOUR
OWN RESOURCES, YOU CAN'T
GET ANYMORE.
THE DEALER IS OUT AND
THERE ARE NO DEALERS
AVAILABLE, OR YOU RIPPED
OFF EVERYTHING FROM
ANYBODY YOU CAN STEAL FROM
THAT DAY.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT
HOPE IS ON THE HORIZON.
EMOTIONAL BANKRUPTCY.
MY LOVE TANK WAS EMPTY.
THERE WAS NO ONE FILLING
THAT.
EVERY RELATIONSHIP I WAS
IN, I WAS IN IT FOR WHAT I
COULD GET OUT OF IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO DELIVER
YOU MY HEART AND HAVE YOU
BE A BAD STEWARD OF MY
HEART AGAIN.
Reporter: JOEL WORKED
OFF AND ON TO SUPPORT HIS
HABIT.
BUT AFTER 20 YEARS OF
ADDICTION, HE MOVED INTO A
CRACK HOUSE AND STARTED
RUNNING DRUGS.
THE CRACK HOUSE CULTURE
IS ME TRYING TO HELP YOU
FIND YOUR WALLET, AND IT'S
IN YOUR BACK POCKET.
I WAS ALWAYS CONVINCED THE
POLICE WERE COMING.
I WOULD FREEZE AND NOT
MAKE ANY MOVEMENT.
TOTAL ISOLATION.
I'M SITTING THERE SAYING
TO MYSELF, WHY AM I HERE?
AM I HERE TO DIE?
IS THAT WHY I HAVE COME
HERE?
YOU'RE LOOKING UP AT
NOTHING BECAUSE I DON'T
BELIEVE IN ANYTHING.
SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE
I'M LOOKING.
AND I'M ASKING THESE
QUESTIONS INTO THIS PLACE
WHERE THERE IS NOT GOING
TO BE ANY ANSWERS.
SO REALIZING, I THINK I'M
HERE TO DIE.
DEATH IS A RELIEF.
WE TALK ABOUT OVERDOSING
AND HAVING AN HEART
ATTACK, AND I WOULD THINK
TO MYSELF, THAT'S THE
RESOLVE.
Reporter: IT IS
DESPERATION, HIS FAMILY
MADE ONE LAST ATTEMPT TO
PULL HIM OUT.
MAN, THEY JUST KEPT
CALLING.
AND FINALLY MY SISTER DID
A RESCUE MISSION.
AND SHE ROUNDED UP FRIENDS
OF MINE AND SAID, WE'RE
COMING TO GET YOU.
Reporter: THEY TOOK
HIM TO TEEN CHALLENGE, A
CHRISTIAN RECOVERY PROGRAM
FOR DRUG ADDICTS.
A FEW WEEKS INTO THE
PROGRAM, JOEL POURED OUT
HIS ANGER AT GOD.
I SAID, I DON'T KNOW
WHO YOU ARE, AND I CURSED
HIM OUT.
AND I SHOOK A FIST AT HIM
WITH ALL OF THE, WHERE
WERE YOUs?
AND THERE WAS A WEIRD PART
OF ME THAT FELT LIKE
SOMEBODY WAS LISTENING.
I HAD NEVER HEARD ANYBODY
LISTENING.
AND THE FIRST THING I
HEARD GOD SAYING WAS, I
WAS THERE ALWAYS, WITH
YOU, IN ALL OF IT.
I WAS RIGHT BY YOUR SIDE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I
SUSTAINED YOU FOR A DAY
SUCH AS THIS.
BY THE END OF IT, I WAS ON
THE FLOOR IN A POOL OF
TEARS, BODY SURFING ON
THOSE TEARS ALL THE WAY TO
THE FEET OF JESUS, AND
I'VE NEVER TURNED BACK.
Reporter: JOEL
SURRENDERED HIS LIFE TO
CHRIST AND COMPLETED
REHABILITATION.
SOBER FOR 13 YEARS, HE IS
NOW MARRIED AND COMPLETING
A DOCTORATE IN TEEN
ADDICTION.
MOST OF ALL, HE IS
GRATEFUL FOR A HEALED
HEART THAT HAS LEARNED TO
TRUST GOD.
IT WAS AN EXCHANGE OF
IDENTITIES, AND IT WAS
NOTHING LESS THAN
SUPERNATURAL.
THERE IS A KNOWING ABOUT
WHO I AM AS A HUMAN BEING
I'VE NEVER HAD.
I CAN BE VULNERABLE WITH
GOD.
I CAN HAVE HIM -- HE IS IN
THE ROOM WHEREVER I GO.
SOMETIMES IN FEELING, BUT
ALWAYS IN KNOWING.
AND I NEVER HAD THAT.
I NEVER HAD A KNOWING OF
SOMETHING CARING FOR ME.
ENTERING INTO THE RISK
WITH JESUS AND FINDING OUT
THERE WAS NONE IS THE
REWARD.
THERE WAS NEVER A RISK.
HE PROMISES TO NEVER LEAVE
ME OR FORSAKE ME.
Gordon: THAT PROGRAMS
IPROMISEIS FOR YOU.
HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.
HE WILL NEVER FORSAKE YOU.
HE HAS BEEN WALKING WITH
YOU ALL THIS TIME.
IN HIM WE LIVE AND MOVE
AND HAVE OUR BEING.
AND, YES, HE IS A GOD WHO
ANSWERS PRAYER.
HE IS A GOD WHO LISTENS.
HE IS A GOD WHO IS WITH
YOU.
NOW, TO GET THIS, TO GET
RELEASE, TO GET WHAT JOEL
FOUND, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
THE SAME WAY.
ASK FOR IT.
ASK HIM.
ASK HIM.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT ISSUES,
WHERE WERE YOU?
WHY DID THESE THINGS
HAPPEN?
ASK HIM.
ASK HIM.
HE IS THE ANSWER TO EVERY
HUMAN NEED.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK.
CALL TO ME, AND I WILL
ANSWER YOU AND SHOW YOU
GREAT AND MIGHTY THINGS.
IF YOU WANT HELP WITH
PRAYER, WE'RE HERE FOR
YOU.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PICK
UP THE PHONE AND CALL US:
1-800-700-7000.
HERE IS A WORD FROM
HEBREWS: "FOR EVERY HOUSE
IS BUILT BY SOMEONE, BUT
HE WHO BUILDS ALL THINGS
IS GOD."
GOD BLESS YOU.
WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.