Gordon: HE IS THE

PASTOR OF PASSION CITY

CHURCH, AND THE FOUNDER OF

THE PASSION MOVEMENT.

AUTHOR LOUIE GIGLIO JOINS

US.

> PLUS, EFREM GRAHAM

DROPS BY TO HIGHLIGHT THIS

WEEK'S TOP FIVE STORIES

FROM THE WORLD OF POSITIVE

ENTERTAINMENT.

ALL ON TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, WELCOME TO THE

SHOW.

HERE IS A LOOK AT THIS

WEEK'S TOP FIVE STORIES

FROM "STUDI "STUDIO 5."

Efrem: AT NUMBER

FIVE...

IF THE UNIVERSE CREATED

YOU, THEN WHO CREATED THE

UNIVERSE?

Efrem: PUREFLIX, THE

FILM-MAKERS BEHIND THE

"GOD'S NOT DEAD" FRANCHISE

IS DONATING $25,000 TO

REPLACE THE STATUE IN

ARKANSAS, AFTER A MAN

CRASHED HIS CAR INTO IT

LESS THAN 24 HOURS AFTER

IT WAS INSTALLED ON

CAPITOL GROUND.

YOU'RE UNDER ARREST?

FOR WHAT?

Efrem: THE FILM

"GOD'S NOT DEAD 2" SHOOTS

IN LITTLE ROCK.

> AT NUMBER FOUR, AND

ALSO FROM PUREFLIX...

WE'VE BEEN MARRIED 19

YEARS.

WE DON'T SHARE THE SAME

LIFE.

WE DON'T SHARE ANYTHING.

Efrem: ...THE UP

COMING FILM "THE SAME KIND

OF DIFFERENT AS ME," IS

THE REAL LIFE STORY OF AN

INTERNATIONAL ART DEALER

WHO BEFRIENDS A HOMELESS

MAN TO SAVE HIS OWN

STRUGGLING MARRIAGE.

I HAD A DREAM LAST

NIGHT.

WAS IT A GOOD ONE OR

WAS IT ABOUT ME?

IT WAS ABOUT A POOR

WHITE MAN WHO CHANGES A

CITY.

Efrem: HIS WIFE LEADS

ALL THREE OF THEM ON THE

JOURNEY OF THEIR LIVES.

HE SHARES MEMORIES OF THAT

HOMELESS MAN, DENVER

MOORE.

DENVER HAD HIS OWN

LANGUAGE AND VOCABULARY.

HE USED TO TELL ME THINGS

LIKE, MR. RON, IF THE

DEVIL AIN'T MESSING WITH

YOU, HE'S ALREADY GOT YOU.

DO ME A BIG FAVOR AND

JUST BE NICER.

YOU WANT ME TO BE

NICER?

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO THINK

ABOUT THAT.

Efrem: THE FILM HITS

THEATERS OCTOBER 20th.

> AT NUMBER THREE...

* HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE

WONDER *

Efrem: WITH THEIR

"WONDER" PROJECT AT THE

TOP OF THE CHARTS, HILL

HILLSONG UNITED HEADS TO

THE BIG WEST WITH A BIG

SURPRISE FOR FANS.

YOU HAVE TO TELL US

WHERE YOU WANT US TO COME

AND WHY, AND MAYBE WE'LL

POP UP IN YOUR CITY.

Efrem: THIS IS A

FAN'S CHANCE TO HAVE

HILLSONG SING AT A

BIRTHDAY PARTY, WEDDING,

OR CHURCH CELEBRATION,

WHEN THE BAND VISITS THE

STATE FROM JULY 18th

THROUGH AUGUST 6th.

> AT NUMBER TWO...

TWO...HILLSONG'S "YOUNG

AND FREE."

THE BAND, ALSO FROM THE

AUSTRALIAN CHURCH, CAN

COUNT JUSTIN BIEBER AMONG

HIS FANS.

THE POP STAR POSTED THIS

FROM ONE OF THE GROUP'S

RECENT CONCERTS.

> MILLIONS AND CLIMBING

ARE VIEWING THE BIEBS

ROCKING OUT TO HILLSONG'S

"YOUNG AND FREE."

AND HE POSTED NEW PICTURES

OF HIMSELF SPENDING TIME

WITH THREE PASTORS.

> AT NUMBER ONE...

ON JULY 23rd, 1967,

DETROIT WAS HIT BY A RIOT.

WE SAID IT COULDN'T

HAPPEN, BUT IT DID.

Efrem: IT HAS BEEN 50

YEARS SINCE A POLICE RAID

LED TO ONE OF THE LARGEST

RACE RIOTS IN DETROIT IN

1967.

OH, MAN, LOOK AT MY

HOUSE BACK THERE.

I AIN'T GOT NO HOME.

I'M CONSIDERING MARTIAL

LAW.

I'M GOING DOWN TO GET

MORE INFORMATION.

Efrem: THIS PAINFUL

PERIOD OF AMERICA'S

HISTORY IS THE FOCUS OF A

MAJOR MOTION PICTURE.

YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT

THIS TO ANYONE EVER.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Efrem: THE FILM

REALLY TAKES US THERE

WATCHING IT.

LET'S NOT BE STUPID IN

THIS SITUATION.

YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHERE

THE GUN IS.

I'VE GOT ALL NIGHT,

PEOPLE.

TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT IS

GOING ON HERE.

Efrem: DID YOU FIND

YOURSELVES BREAKING DOWN?

OH OH, MY GOSH, YES.

EVERY TIME THEY SAID

"CUT," I WOULD JUST CRY

AND CRY AND CRY.

AND WE WERE ALL PRAYING

OVER EACH OTHER, TO GET

OUT OF THAT FEELING FOR A

WHILE.

BECAUSE WE WERE THERE FOR

DAYS.

Efrem: "DETROIT" HITS

THEATERS AUGUST 4th.

Gordon: WELL, EFREM

JOINS US NOW, AND LET'S

JUST KICK IT OFF WITH

"DETROIT."

WHAT KIND OF ROLLER

COASTER WERE YOU HEADING

INTO?

Efrem: IT IS A HUGE

ROLLER COASTER.

THE FILM IS POWERFUL.

I FOUND MYSELF SITTING IN

THE THEATER AFTERWARDS,

UNABLE TO MOVE FOR A

LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I WAS

UNAWARE OF HOW LITTLE I

KNEW ABOUT THE 1967 RIOTS.

I LIVED 45 MINUTES OUT OF

DETROIT FOR ABOUT FIVE

YEARS, AND I KNEW ABOUT

THE RIOTS, BUT JUST THE

DETAILS OF -- THEY DON'T

EVEN CALL IT A RIOT.

THEY CALL IT A REBELLION

OR AN UPRISING BECAUSE

THEY SAY THEY WERE

REBELLING AGAINST POLICE

BRUTALITY.

YOU HAD A CITY THAT WAS

ABOUT 40% BLACK AT THE

TIME, BUT THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT, MORE THAN 90%

WHITE, AND THAT THEY WERE

BEING TREATED HARSHLY.

AND THEN THREE YOUNG MEN

GET KILLED INSIDE THE

ALGIERS HOTEL, THREE

INNOCENT MEN, AND THAT

HELPED TO TRIGGER JUST A

SHEAR UP ROAR.

AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS

IS DETROIT IS KNOWN FOR

ITS MUSIC.

THERE IS ALSO A BIG MUSIC

MARRIAGE THAT WE SEE IN

THIS FILM THAT YOU DON'T

KNOW ABOUT.

A GROUP CALLED "THE

DRAMATICS," AND THEY'RE

PART OF THE FILM AND

THEY'RE A REAL-LIFE

DETROIT GROUP.

THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO

WAS ACTUALLY IN THE BAND

AND WAS SO HURT BY WHAT

HAPPENED THERE, HE WALKED

AWAY FROM IT ALL AND

BECAME A CHURCH CHOIR

DIRECTOR, SAYING AS MUCH

AS I LOVED THE MUSIC, JUST

WHAT I'VE WITNESSED AND

SEEN, I CAN'T DO IT

ANYMORE.

SO HE WENT AND SEARCHED

FOR HIS OWN INNER PIECE

AND WALKED AWAY FROM IT

ALL.

A VERY WELL-DONE MOVIE.

IT HAS KATHRYN BIGELOW

FROM "THE HURT LOCKER."

I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE

IMPRESSED, TOUCHED, AND

MOVED.

NOT FOR CHILDREN BECAUSE,

OF COURSE, THERE IS

VIOLENCE AND LANGUAGE.

BUT JUST THE POWER OF THIS

STORY.

Gordon: IS THERE A

MIRROR FOR US, HERE WE ARE

50 YEARS LATER, 2017, AND

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE IN THE

SAME PREDICAMENT.

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

THREE WHITE OFFICERS WERE

CHARGED WITH THE SHOOTING

OF THOSE YOUNG MEN.

THEY WENT TO COURT.

ONE OF THEM INITIALLY

CONFESSED AND THEN

RETRACTED THE CONFESSION.

BUT THEY ALL GOT OFF.

THEY ALL WALKED AWAY

SCOT-FREE FOR THIS CRIME.

AND THE YOUNG ACTORS,

ESPECIALLY THESE YOUNG

BLACK MEN, HAVE

EXPERIENCED IT THEMSELVES.

AND PLAYING THIS ALL OUT

AND LIVING IT ALL OUT DAY

TO DAY HERE IN A FILM, IT

REALLY TOOK US IN.

WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON,

WHILE THIS WAS ALL

FILMING, WHAT WAS

HAPPENING IN LOUISIANA

WITH PHILANDO CASTILE, ALL

OF THIS STUFF WAS

HAPPENING.

THEY WERE LITERALLY

FILMING A MOVIE ABOUT A

STORY THAT WAS 50 YEARS

OLD, AND THEN GOING BACK

TO THEIR ROOMS AND

WATCHING STORIES THAT WERE

UNFOLDING RIGHT BEFORE

THEM.

ANTHONY MACKIE, WHO WAS

ONE OF THE LEAD CHARACTERS

IN THIS ROLE, SAID HE

LITERALLY DEDICATED HIS

PERFORMANCE TO PHILANDO

CASTILE.

THAT WAS WHAT DROVE HIM AS

HE WENT TO THE SET EVERY

DAY.

Gordon: WHERE IS THE

REDEMPTION HERE?

I'M SEARCHING FOR THAT.

Efrem: THERE IS -- IT

IS THE STRENGTH OF THE

PEOPLE TO STILL BELIEVE IN

THEIR CITY, TO STILL

BELIEVE IN THEIR FUTURE.

WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE

ALSO DROVE SEVERAL BLACK

MEN, WHO ARE FEATURED IN

THIS FILM, TO JOIN THE

POLICE FORCE, TO REALIZE

THAT I'M NOT GOING TO

AFFECT CHANGE PROTESTING

ON THE OUTSIDE, THE WAY I

WANT TO.

I NEED TO GET IT ON THE

INSIDE.

SO THEY ARE OFFICERS WHO

JOINED THE FORCE.

AND ONE OF THEM ROSE TO BE

A DETROIT POLICE CHIEF.

AND THAT DETROIT POLICE

CHIEF WORKS AT A

UNIVERSITY TODAY.

HE WAS A CONSULTANT ON THE

FILM, INTERVIEWED FOR THE

FILM.

YOU HAVE THE SECURITY

GUARD, WHO WAS WRONGLY

CHARGED WITH THE CRIME,

BEING FREED AND RELEASED,

AND THE CHARGES BEING

DROPPED.

HIS STORY IS ALSO A PART

OF THE FILM.

SO YOU HAD THOSE BEAUTIFUL

STORIES INTERWOVEN IN

THERE, AND THE MUSIC, THE

MUSIC THAT RISES FROM THE

CITY OF STREET, WHICH IS

SO POWERFUL.

IT IS INSPIRING.

Gordon: WHAT DO YOU

THINK MOVIE-GOERS SHOULD

TAKE AWAY FROM IT.

Efrem: I THINK THEY

SHOULD TAKE AWAY WE, AS A

COUNTRY, HAVE COME A LONG

WAY.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO TAKE

STRATEGIC STEPS, AND WE'VE

GOT TO BE THINKING IN OUR

ACTION, OF HOW WE GOD

FORWARD, AND NOT JUST BE

AND LIVE.

WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT

WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING.

THE BEST THING WE COULD

EVER DO IS SOMETHING LE

CRAE SAID IN AN INTERVIEW

JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.

HE GOES, WE HAVE GOT TO

COME TO A PLACE WHERE WE

NEED PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOOK

AND SOUND LIKE US.

WE NEED THEM IN OUR LIVES.

WE SIT ACROSS THE TABLE

FROM THEM, WE DINE WITH

THEM.

WE HAVE TO COME TO THAT

POSITION AND THAT POINT.

Gordon: YEAH.

WE WORSHIP WITH THEM.

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

AND EVEN THE COLLABORATIVE

EFFORT OF THOSE WHO

SURROUNDED THIS FILM TO

MAKE IT HAPPEN.

IT IS A VERY DIVERSE GROUP

OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE

THIS STORY WAS SO

IMPORTANT IT HAD TO BE

TOLD.

AND IT'S A DIVERSE GROUP.

KATHRYN BIGELOW IS A WRITE

WOMAN.

WHITE

WOMAN, AND THE WRITER IS

AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

Gordon: ALL RIGHT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT PUREFLIX.

THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH

TWO FILMS THAT LOOKS LIKE

THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOOD.

Efrem: THEY'RE GOING

TO BE VERY GOOD.

"THE SAME KIND OF

DIFFERENT AS ME," I'M SO

LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

TO LEARN ABOUT THE

CHARACTER, DENVER, AND THE

THINGS THAT HE WOULD SAY.

AND THIS UNLIKELY

FRIENDSHIP.

LITERALLY, DENVER, THE

HOMELESS GENTLEMAN, MOVES

IN WITH THIS INTERNATIONAL

ART DEALER, LIVES WITH

HIM.

HE LOSES HIS WIFE, WHO IS

SORT OF THE BRIDGE OF THE

CONNECTION HERE.

AND AS THEY'RE BURYING RON

HALL'S WIFE, DEBBIE,

DENVER IS HELPING TO DIG

THE GRAVE.

AND HE SAYS TO RON, YOU

KNOW, NOBODY IS GOING TO

BELIEVE OUR STORY.

THIS SHOULD BE A BOOK.

AND THAT WAS THE BIRTH OF

THE BOOK, A BEST-SELLING

BOOK, THAT STAYED ON THE

"NEW YORK TIMES" BEST

SELLER LIST FOR THREE

YEARS.

AND NOW WE HAVE A GREAT

MOVIE, STARRING RENEE

ZELLWEGER.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT.

Gordon: SO YOU'RE

GOING TO TELL US MORE

ABOUT THAT?

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: OKAY, WHAT IS

GOING ON WITH JUSTIN

BIEBER.

IT SEEMS LIKE HE WANTS TO

HANG OUT WITH PASTORS NOW?

HE'S DONE WITH DRIVING

FAST CARS.

Efrem: I LOVE IT.

I LOVE TO SEE WHO HE IS

CHOOSING TO BE AROUND

TODAY.

JUST LAST NIGHT OR THIS

MORNING HE POSTED AN

INSTAGRAM PICTURE OF HIM,

HIS MOM AND DAD, IN A

PHOTOGRAPH, AND THEY'RE

TRYING TO FACE TIME RICH

WILKERSON AND HE IS NOT

ANSWERING.

AND HE GOES, JUST WHEN I

NEED YOU MOST.

BUT THE FACT THAT THEY

HAVE A RELATIONSHIP LIKE

THAT, THAT I CAN PICK UP

THE PHONE AND CALL AND I'M

GOING TO HAVE INTERACTION

WITH YOU -- HE HAS BEEN IN

AUSTRALIA, HANGING OUT

WITH HILLSONG, "YOUNG AND

FREE," AND HE POSTED A

VIDEO SAYING HE WAS

SINGING TO THE SONG

"DEVIL, NOT TODAY."

NOT TODAY, SATAN, NOT

TODAY.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD A BAD OR

TROUBLING HEADLINE IN A

LONG TIME, SO I'M GRATEFUL

FOR THAT.

STAY ON THAT PATH.

Gordon: YES.

HE HAS GOOD FRIENDS NOW.

> ALL RIGHT, FOR ALL OF

THE LATEST AND POSITIVE

AND ENCOURAGING

ENTERTAINMENT NEWS, JUST

CHECK OUT EFREM'S WEEKLY

SHOW, "STUDIO 5."

IT IS AVAILABLE ON ROKU,

APPLE TV OR WATCH IT

ONLINE A.

> UP NEXT, LOUIE GIGLIO

Gordon: MOST OF US

KNOW THE STORY OF DAVID

AND GOLIATH, BUT DO YOU

KNOW WE ALL BATTLE GIANTS

EVERY DAY.

PASTOR AND AUTHOR LOUIE

GIGLIO WANTS TO GIVE YOU A

BATTLE PLAN.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: LOUIE

GIGLIO IS THE PASTOR OF

PASSION CITY CHURCH IN

ATLANTA, GEORGIA.

AND HE IS THE FOUNDER OF

PASSION CONFERENCES, WHERE

COLLEGE KIDS MEET FROM

AROUND THE WORLD FOR MORE

THAN JUST MUSIC.

THIS YEAR PEOPLE FROM ALL

50 STATES PACKED THE

GEORGIADOME TO PRAY FOR A

SPIRITUAL AWAKENING FOR

THIS GENERATION.

LOUIE USES HIS GIFT TO

CONNECT PEOPLE WITH THE

MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL.

IN HIS BOOK, HE UNCOVERS A

NEW TWIST ON THE TIMELESS

STORY OF DAVID AND

GOLIATH, AND REVEALS A

PLAN THAT WILL SILENCE OUR

PERSONAL GIANTS ONCE AND

FOR ALL.

Gordon: JOINING US

NOW IS LOUIE.

IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU

HERE.

IT IS GREAT TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: THIS BOOK,

"GOLIATH MUST FALL," CAME

OUT OF YOUR ONLY PERSONAL

STRUGGLES?

IT DID.

PEOPLE START READING THE

BOOK AND THEY SAY, WAIT A

MINUTE, YOU'RE A PASTOR.

BUT I TALK ABOUT MY OWN

STRUGGLES, PARTICULARLY

ANXIETY, THAT LED ME TO A

BIG PIT.

"GOLIATH MUST FALL," IS A

REAL LIFE STORY.

THE REAL LIFE PERSON, ME,

AND OTHER REAL-LIFE

PEOPLE, WHO GOT BROUGHT

THROUGH SOME VERY

CHALLENGING TIMES.

Gordon: YOU SAID IT

SORT OF IN PASSING, BUT

I'VE GOT TO STOP YOU ON

THIS ONE: WAIT A MINUTE,

YOU'RE A PASTOR.

WHY IS IT WE EXPECT

PASTORS NOT TO GO THROUGH

THE STRUGGLES?

ISN'T THAT WEIRD?

I THINK SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT

THIS IDEA IF YOU'RE A

PASTOR, YOU'VE GOT A

DIFFERENT LINE OF

COMMUNICATION WITH GOD.

BUT IT HELPS US REMEMBER

WE'RE ALL MADE OUT OF THE

SAME FABRIC, ALL OF US ON

PLANET EARTH.

SOMETIMES A PASTOR DOESN'T

FEEL FREE TO FEEL WHAT HIS

STRUGGLES ARE BECAUSE THE

CHURCH IS LOOKING FOR

HIM -- TO LEAN ON HIM.

AND WHEN THIS HAPPENED TO

ME, WE WERE PLANTING A

CHURCH.

I WAS BECOMING A LOCAL

CHURCH PASTOR FOR THE

FIRST TIME.

ONE OF THE MEETINGS,

GORDON, THAT WE WERE GOING

TO WAS IN A LIVING ROOM.

ONLY 20 PEOPLE.

THAT'S HOW SMALL THE

CHURCH WAS.

WE HADN'T EVEN OPENED OUR

DOORS TO THE PUBLIC YET,

AND I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A

BREAKDOWN.

MY WIFE IS DRIVING ME.

I CAN'T STOP SHAKING.

I'M ABOUT THREE WEEKS INTO

THIS SIX-MONTH PROCESS.

AND I SAID, BABE, I DON'T

KNOW IF I'M GOING TO MAKE

IT.

I WALK IN THE DOOR, SIT

DOWN WITH A BUNCH OF

FRIENDS, AND I SAY, LOOK

AT ME.

I AM YOUR PASTOR, AND I AM

A MESS.

AND GRATEFULLY GOD SLOWLY

BROUGHT ME OUT OF THAT.

BUT NO PASTOR WANTS TO SAY

THAT.

NO PASTOR WANTS TO SAY,

HEY, GUYS, I'M GOING TO

LEAD US, BUT I'M A MESS.

BUT THE TRUTH IS EVERY

PASTOR STRUGGLES IN THE

SAME WAY EVERY PERSON

STRUGGLES, AND WE ALL KNOW

THAT --

Gordon: IT IS A HUGE

THING FOR YOU TO ADMIT

THAT.

IT WAS A BIG THING TO

ADMIT IT.

IT WAS BIG THAT NIGHT.

AND THEN AFTER A PROCESS

OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS, I

SORT OF STARTING COMING

BACK TO LIFE AGAIN.

AND AFTER A FEW YEARS, BY

THE GRACE OF GOD I WAS

MYSELF AGAIN.

I WENT ON A TOUR WITH

CHRIS TOMLIN A FEW YEARS

LATER, AND WE WERE DOING

BASKETBALL ARENAS, 8,000,

10,000 PEOPLE A NIGHT, AND

I

BASKETBALL ARENA.

IT WAS INCREDIBLE,

BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW YOU'RE

A MESS BEFORE YOU KNOW

YOU'RE A MESS.

WHEN A FINALLY COMES TO

HIS WIFE AND SAYS, BABE,

HERE IS THE STORY, AND I'M

JUST GOING TO BE HONEST,

SHE'S LIKE, NO KIDDING.

AND SO WHEN I SHARED THAT

THAT NIGHT, I WAS

EXPECTING PEOPLE TO BE,

LIKE, OH, WOW, WE DIDN'T

KNOW.

BUT PEOPLE WERE, LIKE, WE

HAVE BEEN SEEING THIS

FRAGMENTING FOR A LITTLE

WHILE.

WE'VE DONE A 16 NATION,

SEVEN CITY WORLD TOUR, A

LOT OF US TOGETHER, THAT

YEAR.

AND INTERESTING, ONE OF

THE GUYS IN THE ROOM IS A

MUSICIAN.

SO ON SOME OF THESE EVENTS

WE'RE ALL ON MIC TOGETHER,

AND HE SAID, I'VE BEEN

NOTICING A FEW NIGHTS THAT

WHEN YOU'RE STANDING

THERE, YOU'RE MAKING THIS

SOUND (MUMBLING).

AND HE SAID, NOW I KNOW IT

WAS A MANIFESTATION OF THE

FACT THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO

CRACK.

SO PEOPLE SAW IT COMING,

AND I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON

TIME, BUT A GUY STOOD UP

IN THAT 20-PERSON GROUP,

AND SAID, I WENT TO VISIT

A CHURCH THIS WEEKEND,

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ONE

YET, AND THIS WAS THE

MESSAGE.

HE QUOTED A PASSAGE OUT OF

ISAIAH, AND THAT PASSAGE

BECAME ONE OF THE KEY

BRICKS IN THE ROAD THAT I

WALKED ON BACK INTO THE

LIGHT AGAIN.

SO AS SOON AS WE'RE

WILLING TO ADMIT WHERE

WE'RE ARE, GOD BEGINS THE

PROCESS OF LEADING US ON

THE JOURNEY TO WHERE HE

WANTS US TO BE.

Gordon: IT'S ALWAYS

THAT WAY.

WE FIRST HAVE TO ADMIT, I

NEED HELP.

I NEED A SAVIOR.

I NEED YOU.

AND LOOK TO HIM.

> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE

BOOK, BECAUSE THE GOLIATHS

YOU HAD TO DEFEAT FOR YOU

WERE VERY REAL.

AND SO FOR, OF AL FOR -- OF ALL OF

THE ONES YOU LIST IN THE

BOOK, WHAT IS THE HARDEST

ONE?

I THINK IT IS THAT

FEAR.

THERE ARE A LOT OF

GOLIATHS IN OUR WORLD.

AND WE SORT OF LET THE

TEXT IDENTIFY THESE

GIANTS.

WE'RE LETTING THE REAL

GIANTS IN.

AND THE FIRST GIANT SAYS

WHEN GOLIATH CAME OUT 40

DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS, THEY

WERE TERRIFIED.

WHEN THEY SAW HIM, HEARD

HIM, KNEW HIS TRACK

RECORD -- AND I THINK FEAR

HAS A GRIP ON PEOPLE.

THERE ARE 365 VERSES IN

THE BIBLE THAT SAY DO NOT

BE AFRAID.

SO GOD KNOWS THAT OUR

TENDENCY IS TO BE AFRAID.

HE COMPARES US TO SHEEP IN

THE 23rd PSALM, WHO NEED

A SHEPHERD.

WHY?

BECAUSE SHEEP HAVE A

TENDENCY TO BE HYPER

AFRAID ALL THE TIME.

WE HAVE THIS ABILITY,

BECAUSE OF OUR BROKENNESS

AND SINFULNESS, TO WANT TO

TAKE ON THE WEIGHT OF THE

WORLD, MANAGE THE AFFAIRS

OF THE WORLD, AND THAT

LEADS US TO BE FEARFUL

PEOPLE WHO ARE GRIPPED BY

ANXIETY.

ANXIETY HAS A DEATH GRIP

ON THIS NATION RIGHT NOW.

Gordon: IT'S THE

HEADLINES, IS THE

GOVERNMENT GOING TO COME

THROUGH?

IS NORTH KOREA GOING TO

LAUNCH A MISSILE AT US?

WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN

REALTIME ON OUR NIGHT

STANDS.

I CAN WAKE UP IN THE

MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND

GET A TERRORIZING HEADLINE

RIGHT ON MY SCREEN.

AND SO 23rd PSALM, "THE

LORD IS MY SHEPHERD," AND

HE SAID, "EVEN THOUGH I

WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF

THE SHADOW OF DEATH, I

WILL FEAR NO EVIL."

WHY?

BECAUSE I'M STRONG?

NO.

BECAUSE I'VE GOT A

TECHNIQUE?

NO.

BECAUSE I'VE READ LOUIE'S

BOOK?

NO.

BECAUSE YOU ARE WITH ME.

THERE IS A SHEPHERD IN OUR

LIVES NAMED JESUS WHO

WALKS THROUGH THIS LIFE

WITH US, AND HE CAN HANDLE

IT.

I USED TO TAKE JOY I HAVE

A FRIEND WHO HAS MY BACK.

I REALIZED, HE IS 5' 11"

AND WEIGHS 162 POUNDS, AND

WHAT IF HE CHANGES HIS

MIND?

I CAN'T COUNT ON THAT.

WHEN I HAVE A SHEPHERD WHO

LEADS ME.

THAT SHOULD BE THE THING

THAT COMFORTS YOU.

I SORT OF PUT THAT INTO

PRACTICE EVERY NIGHT WHEN

I WENT TO BED.

I WOULD OFFLOAD TO THE

SHEPHERD THINGS THAT WERE

BOTHERING ME.

AND I WOULD SAY, I'VE GOT

TO SLEEP.

I CAN'T SOLVE THIS

TONIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO

TRUST IT TO YOU.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO MANAGE

IT FOR YOUR GLORY AND MY

GOOD.

Gordon: IF YOU WANT

TO HEAR MORE, "GOLIATH

MUST FALL," AND YOU CAN

FIND IT NATIONWIDE

WHEREVER BOOKS ARE SOLD.

THANK YOU.

IT IS A PLEASURE BEING

HERE.

Gordon: COMING UP,

SHE SUFFERED THROUGH

SEVERE PAIN IN HER FACE

AND NECK.

WHEN MEDICINE DIDN'T WORK,

FIND OUT WHAT DID, WHEN WE

RETURN.

Gordon: WANDA WAS

TIRED OF BEING IN PAIN.

HER FACE AND NECK HURT,

AND SHE BEGAN DEVELOPING A

PAINFUL RASH.

WHEN MEDICINE DIDN'T WORK,

WANDA TRIED SOMETHING

ELSE: SHE TURNED ON HER

TELEVISION.

TAKE A LOOK.

I NOTICED THE PAIN WAS

GETTING MORE INTENSE.

AND IT WAS ALL DOWN THE

LEFT SIDE OF MY HEAD AND

MY FACE, AROUND MY EAR.

Reporter: WANDA

FERGUSON SOON DISCOVERED

SHE HAD SHINGLES.

IT WAS SO PAINFUL, AND

I BEGAN TO HAVE RED

SPLOTCHES APPEAR ON MY

NECK AND MY HAIR AND DOWN

MY EAR, AND ONE OR TWO

HERE ON MY CHEST, AND ONE

ON MY BACK.

Reporter: HER DOCTOR

PRESCRIBED PAIN

MEDICATION, BUT THE RELIEF

WAS ONLY TEMPORARY.

I WAS FEELING SO BAD, I

COULDN'T LAY DOWN OR SIT

UP WITHOUT BEING IN

MISERY.

Reporter: WITHIN JUST

THREE DAYS, HER ACTIVE

LIFE CAME TO A COMPLETE

STAND STILL.

I DIDN'T DO MUCH OF

ANYTHING.

I JUST LAID AROUND.

I JUST COME IN HERE,

TRYING TO GET SOME KIND OF

RELIEF, AND I SAT DOWN ON

MY COUCH.

AND WHEN I DID, I FLIPPED

THE TELEVISION ON BECAUSE

I HAD BEEN WATCHING "THE

700 CLUB" FOR 35 YEARS.

AND GORDON ROBERTSON AND

TERRY MEEUWSEN WERE ON.

AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER I

TURNED IT ON, HE SAID,

SOMEBODY OUT THERE HAS

SHINGLES.

Gordon: YOU'VE GOT

SHINGLES ON THE LEFT SIDE

OF YOUR FACE AND IT IS

VERY PAINFUL, AND GOD IS

HEALING YOU NOW.

I NEVER HEARD HIM SAY

THAT BEFORE.

AS SOON AS HE SAID THAT, I

KNEW IT WAS FOR ME.

AND I SAT UP AND LISTENED.

AND WHEN I DID, HE SAID,

THOSE BLISTERS ARE GOING

TO GO AWAY.

Gordon: THEY'RE GOING

TO FADE AND YOUR SKIN IS

GOING TO BE NORMAL.

WHAT THE DOCTORS SAY ABOUT

NERVE DAMAGE, IT DOESN'T

APPLY TO YOU.

GOD IS RESTORING YOUR

NERVES.

WHEN HE SAID THAT, THE

PAIN LEFT IMMEDIATELY.

IT WAS INSTANT.

THE PAIN LEFT, AND I

JUMPED OFF THE COUCH AND I

JUST STARTED PRAISING GOD

AND THANKING JESUS AND

PRAISING THE LORD WITH ALL

OF MY HEART, BECAUSE I

KNEW I HAD BEEN HEALED

INSTANTLY.

Reporter: A FEW DAYS

LATER, WANDA WAS BACK AT

THE OLD REC CENTER, HER

OLD STOMPING GROUND.

I GO TO THE OLD REC

CENTER, MONDAY THROUGH

FRIDAY.

AND I GO AND WALK 30

MINUTES.

AND I GO AND GET ON THE

STATIONARY BIKES.

AND THEN I LIFT WEIGHTS,

80-POUND WEIGHTS ABOUT 10

OR 15 TIMES.

Reporter: WANDA LOVES

JESUS, BUT SHE LOVES TO

SHARE HER STORY WITH

OTHERS.

I WOULD TELL ANYBODY,

ANYWHERE, ANY TIME, IF

YOU'RE REALLY TRUSTING, HE

WILL DO EXACTLY WHAT HE

SAYS.

HE SAID HE WOULD DO IT IN

ISAIAH 53: 5: "BY HIS

STRIPES WE ARE HEALED."

I JUST PRAISE GOD FOR HIS

POWER TO HEAL.

HE LOVES TO HEAL.

Gordon: IT IS

FUNDAMENTAL, HE LOVES TO

HEAL.

IT GETS RID OF ALL OF THE

BARGAINING.

IT GETS RID OF ALL OF THE

PLEADING.

AND YOU JUST UNDERSTAND

AND YOU SAY, FATHER, GET

ME TO THE PLACE WHERE I

BELIEVE.

I BELIEVE -- HELP MY

UNBELIEF.

THAT'S A WONDERFUL PRAYER

TO PRAY.

SO OFTEN IN OUR VERY

PRAYERS, WE'RE CONFESSING

OUR UNBELIEF.

IF WE'RE MAKING SOME KIND

OF BARGAIN, GOD, IF YOU'LL

DO THIS, I'LL DO THAT.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS -- NO.

THE PRICE FOR HEALING HAS

ALREADY BEEN PAID.

HE HAS ALREADY BORNE OUR

INFIRMITIES.

HE HAS ALREADY TAKEN ALL

OUR PAIN.

AND IF HE HAS DONE THAT,

WE DON'T HAVE TO BEAR IT

ANYMORE.

I WANT TO PRAY FOR YOU

RIGHT NOW.

AND LET'S JUST BELIEVE

GOD, BELIEVE HIS WORD.

HE SENT HIS WORD AND

HEALED OUR DISEASE.

LORD, I JUST LIFT ALL OF

THE NEEDS IN THE AUDIENCE

TO YOU RIGHT NOW, AND I

JUST SPEAK OVER THEM

HEALING, THAT YOU CAME AS

SAVIOR, AS HEALER, AS

DELIVERER, AS RESTORER.

YOU CAME TO SET US FREE

FROM ALL OF THESE THINGS.

SO WE RECEIVE IT NOW IN

JESUS' NAME.

THERE IS SOMEONE, YOU'RE

SUFFERING WITH SEVERE

SINUS INFECTIONS.

IT'S RIGHT ABOVE YOUR LEFT

EYE AND IN YOUR LEFT

CHEEK, AND GOD HAS JUST

HEALED YOU OF ALL OF THAT

RIGHT NOW.

SOMEONE ELSE, YOU'VE GOT

SEVERE ANXIETY.

IT HAS LED TO DEPRESSION

AND FEAR.

WE JUST BREAK THAT SPIRIT

OF FEAR OVER YOU RIGHT

NOW.

BE FREE IN JESUS' NAME.

AMEN.

AND AMEN.

HERE IS A WORD FOR YOU

FROM DEUTERONOMY 32: "HE

IS THE ROCK, WHO'S WORK IS

PERFECT.

FOR ALL OF HIS WAYS ARE

JUSTICE.

A GOD OF TRUTH AND WITHOUT

INJUSTICE.

RIGHTEOUSNESS AND UPRIGHT

IS HE."

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE