As seen on "The 700 Club," July 11: Much ado about nothing? White House on defensive after New York Times report; Netanyahu counters anti-Jewish UNESCO vote with Genesis, and more.
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Hey, it's good to
have you with us.
You're watching the "700 Club".
And after months of looking
into Russian influence
on the presidential election,
congressional investigators
are now looking somewhere else.
Guess what?
Former FBI director
James Comey, they'll
be trying to figure
out if he mishandled
classified information
in his memos,
which he wanted to get leaked
to "The New York Times".
And there are new
details about the meeting
between President Trump's
son and a Russian lawyer
just before the election.
National security
correspondent Eric Rosales
brings us the story
from Washington.
ERIC ROSALES (VOICEOVER):
The White House
is again on the defensive
following a "New York Times"
report Donald Trump Jr.
was informed in an email
that damaging information
about Hillary Clinton was being
offered was part of a
Russian government effort
to help his father's campaign.
Trump Jr. wasn't the
only one at the meeting.
So were then Trump campaign
manager Paul Manafort
and Trump's son-in-law and
current adviser Jared Kushner.
And the meeting took
place at Trump Tower
with a Russian lawyer
linked to the Kremlin.
According to Trump Jr.,
she was an "individual
who I was told might
have information
helpful to the campaign."
This is the first
time that the public
has seen clear evidence
of senior level
members of the Trump
campaign meeting
with Russians to try
to obtain information
that might hurt the
campaign of Hillary Clinton.
ERIC ROSALES
(VOICEOVER): In the past,
the president's
son denied having
any contact with Russians
about the campaign.
The White House Deputy Press
Secretary Sarah Huckabee
Sanders says the campaign never
followed up on the meeting
and that neither Trump
Jr. nor the campaign
ever colluded with anyone
to influence the election.
And she says the
president only recently
learned of that meeting.
Donald Trump Jr.'s lawyer
released a statement
saying this is much
ado about nothing.
But the same may not be true
for former FBI director James
Comey.
A new report reveals
four of the seven memos
that he wrote following
his interactions
with President Trump contained
classified information.
The revelation
reported by "The Hill"
undercuts Comey claim during the
Senate Intelligence Committee
hearing last month
that he believed
that the information in the
memos were unclassified.
I understood this to be
my recollection recorded
of my conversation with the
president as a private citizen.
I felt free to share that.
I thought it very
important to get it out.
ERIC ROSALES (VOICEOVER):
Comey revealed during testimony
that he shared the memos with
a Columbia University Law
professor who then shared
the memos with reporters.
"The Hill" points out
that Comey's actions
raise the possibility that he
broke his own agency's rules
and ignored the same security
protocols that he publicly
criticized Hillary Clinton
for regarding her decision
to keep classified documents
after leaving the State
Department in 2013.
However, Comey's
friend disagrees.
In an emailed statement,
Columbia Law professor Daniel
Richman told CBN News, "Jim
Comey never gave me a memo that
was classified, and the memo
whose substance I passed
on to 'The Times' has never, to
my knowledge, been classified.
Memos that went to
Congress and not
me may well have
been classified."
President Trump responded
to the report about Comey
by tweeting, "James Comey
leaked CLASSIFIED INFORMATION
to the media.
That is so illegal!"
Now congressional
investigators will
look into Comey's memos,
trying to figure out
where and how they were
created, like were they
written on an unsecured computer
and when the government decided
that the memos contained
classified information, before
or after Comey shared them.
Eric Rosales, CBN
News, Washington.
Well, Jay Sekulow
is with us now.
He's Chief Counsel of the
American Center for Law
and Justice and he's a member
of President Trump's legal team.
Jay, what is the
upshot of all this?
There are all these
investigations.
Does anybody find
anything of significance?
No.
I mean, yeah, well, one
thing of significance,
James Comey leaked information.
Originally, everybody
thought it was one memo.
Now we know it's four memos.
Certainly the
government's position now
is that this was
government material.
So James Comey
testified that these
were his-- he called them
recollection recorded
his private information.
But the United States
government Department of Justice
has taken the position that this
is in fact government material.
He then leaked
government material
to a third party who then leaked
it to "The New York Times".
That's a crime.
So the investigation that
needs to be going on right now
needs to be focusing
on James Comey.
And by the way, four
of the seven documents
that were released, these notes
of James Comey, reportedly
now had contained
classified information.
Well he also gave four of
these memos to this professor.
Originally everybody
again thought it was one.
But here's the real problem Pat.
I mean this is what's so
interesting as a lawyer.
You've got a situation now
where the basis upon which
a special counsel
was put forward
was when James Comey said I gave
this information to my friend
to leak it to "The
New York Times",
these memos and
conversations he had
with the president
of the United States
for the purpose of
getting a special counsel.
He got a special counsel in
a sense because of the memos
that he illegally
leaked on conversations
he had with the president
of the United States.
To me that undercuts this
entire special counsel probe.
I mean it's based on
illegally leaked information.
I don't think a lot of people
are drawing that analysis right
now, but that's the analysis
that needs to be looked at.
We're looking at it legally.
We have to look at it legally.
You've got illegally
leaked information
that served as a base
for a special counsel
to be appointed.
If that seemed to
be OK, it's not.
Jay, what are the Department
of Justice rules having
to do with the evidence
of impropriety?
Have they violated that?
I mean Mueller and Comey
were so close together.
Sure.
Well could you imagine if
an FBI agent was conducting
an investigation, that FBI
agent gets fired and filled
out what's called the form
302s which are basically
what James Comey did,
notes of a meeting,
except that's a witness, this
was the president of the United
States, and then
leaked them after he
got terminated from his
FBI position to the press?
What would be happening
to that FBI agent?
He'd be being visited
by other FBI agents.
And a grand jury
would be impaneled.
And a case would be
brought against him
for leaking government
information.
By the way, it doesn't
have to be classified
to be a crime under 18 USC 641.
So that's what you got to
realize what happened here.
So that whole basis
of the transaction
on the James
Comey's side of this
is suspect from the beginning.
We now know it was
multiple memos.
We now know that those memos
may well have contained
classified information.
And you know, the protests
contrary to the law professor
friend of his, well really?
I mean that's the
basis upon which
we're feeling OK about this
to the American people?
Ask yourself this
question everybody
that I'm talking to right now.
Why is it OK that James
Comey leaked conversations
he had with the president of the
United States to anybody, let
alone ultimately to
"The New York Times"?
Why is that OK?
It's not.
This whole concept
of obstruction
of justice, Alan
Dershowitz says there's
no way a president
could obstruct justice
since he's the ultimate arbiter
of when cases are to be brought
or not brought.
And he can also pardon the
subject of any investigation.
Can there be
obstruction of justice
by a president in the case
they're talking about?
Like Comey said, he's
going to have it referred
to the special counsel?
Absolutely not.
I mean, just think about
what would be happening
if there was in fact
charges being made
or investigations take place.
Remember, the president
received a recommendation
from both his attorney general
and deputy attorney general
that James Comey was no longer
capable of leading the FBI
and that they needed
new leadership in there.
The president took
action and decided
to terminate James
Comey's position
as the director of the FBI.
He has the constitutional
right under Article 2
to do just that.
He did it.
He exercised his
constitutional authority.
You can not be prosecuted
for obstruction of justice
for exercising a
constitutional right that
vests in the presidency of
the United States, period.
And that really should be
the end of that discussion.
There is no way that
under these facts that
have been alleged and
asserted and the facts that we
know that this could constitute
an obstruction of justice.
If that was the case then any
time a president fired anybody
you could be able to
bring an obstruction case.
The president had the authority
to make that determination.
He exercised it.
He had the constitutional
right to do it.
What about Trump Jr.?
Have you gotten any
insight on that as to what
they're charging him?
Well, they're not charging
him with anything right now.
I mean first of all, what are
they going to charge him with,
having a meeting with somebody
to get opposition research
on an opposing candidate?
Well you know, you
ran for president.
I mean, that happens.
PAT ROBERTSON: You sure do.
People have meetings.
And they're trying to make
this some kind of, you know,
Russian interference.
And Everybody ignores the
fact that the Ukrainians
were working with the DNC in
support of Hillary Clinton,
right?
That gets a pass.
So a meeting with a
lawyer from Russia
who said, initially or
reportedly, that she
had information about opposition
research on Hillary Clinton,
and ends up not being
the case by the way.
So no, that's not a violation.
There's no illegality
in the meeting.
And of course there was no
follow up and no action taken.
So again, it's a bit
of a media frenzy.
But if you get past the frenzy
and look at what the facts are,
what's the illegality?
I keep saying that
with collusion.
So all this collusion
they're alleging,
what exactly is collusion?
First of all, collusion
is not a crime.
But what is a crime here?
Well no, this is not a crime.
A meeting with an individual
who had opposition research
on a candidate that happened--
and this particular lawyer
happened to be Russian.
Does that all of a
sudden change the rules?
No.
As I said, you
ran for president.
You know how opposition
research works.
Well you have a
whole department.
That's what they do.
They find holes
in the opposition
to try to exploit
them for your benefit
in a political campaign.
Jay, we have tremendous
problems facing our nation.
We've got debt problems.
We have trade problems.
We have problems
with North Korea.
When is this stuff going to end?
I think the American
people are sick of hearing
Russian involvement in the
election that's just long past.
Can they shut it down ever?
Well you know, this thing
needs to be done quickly.
I mean our goal is,
speaking now as one
of the president's lawyers, is
to get this matter over with.
Again, at this point, let
me just be very clear here.
There is no way an
obstruction of justice charge
can be brought
against the president
for exercising his
Article 2 power.
So that's number one.
Number two, you raised
the issue-- let's talk
about a really serious
issue, North Korea.
This is a really serious
issue that the American people
are facing and the president
having to deal with.
So any of these things laying
over the president in any way
becomes a bit of a distraction
even for our enemies.
So the president's singular
focused right now on these--
when I say singular,
multiple issues,
focused like a
laser beam on them.
But yes, I don't like the fact--
I don't think it's good
for the United States
to have this hanging around.
So the president has been very
clear, as has those individuals
that have been contacted,
that they'll participate
when they need to participate.
But right now there's no
investigation of the president.
We've not notified of any
investigation of the president
of the United States, period.
Well Jay, I
appreciate your work.
And the president seems
to have good spirits.
He just keeps on plugging.
He's an amazing man.
Yeah, he's doing his job.
Yeah, amen.
Well, do the best you can.
Thanks, Pat.
We're all with you.
We're doing it, sir.
God bless you.
Thank you.