REPORTER: In the months leading up

to the 2016 presidential election, author and speaker

Lance Wallnau was one of several evangelical Christian leaders

who believed against all odds that Donald Trump would

be the 45th President of the United States.

LANCE WALLNAU: I had the strangest sense

that I was dealing with something different.

I was dealing with someone who wasn't

an evangelical Christian who was anointed for an assignment.

And I didn't know where to go with that.

So I went home, and all that I heard

the Lord say is Donald Trump is a wrecking ball to the spirit

of political correctness.

REPORTER: Wallnau compared Trump to the Persian King

Cyrus cited in the Bible.

Cyrus decreed that Jews living in captivity in ancient Babylon

could return to Israel and rebuild their temple.

Wallnau expands on that theme in his book, "God's Chaos

Candidate, Donald J. Trump and the American Unraveling."

Well, Lance is here with us to talk more about this.

And I've got to congratulate you.

You wrote this book before the election.

I like to say to people, if you're going to prophesize,

you've got to do it before it happens.

Yeah, that's right.

INTERVIEWER: And here it came to be.

Yeah.

Why?

What inspired you to do this?

Well, he was running in the primaries against 15

other experienced people.

And that was when the Lord spoke to me

and said that he had his hand on him,

and that he was going to use him.

And I heard the word Isaiah 45, and I looked it up

and I felt so powerfully that this

would be the 45th president.

But the line that freaked me out,

Gordon, was such says the Lord to Cyrus, whom I've anointed,

though you have not known me.

And I started thinking how often Christians

want to vote for the Christian guy,

and they don't think in history, that during crucibles,

during particularly trying periods,

a Churchill or a Lincoln may be where God hides himself.

And so, I just read--

I don't know why I didn't catch it earlier,

but that same Isaiah 45 says in verse 15, verily thou art a God

that hides thyself.

I think God hid himself in Donald Trump,

and I think he's hidden right now

doing something in America that would amaze us,

if we understood it.

And Isaiah wrote that, and he had a direct revelation

in the Temple of God.

He saw the glory, and then he wrote surely

you are the God that hides.

Right.

And God seems to take delight in picking the unusual.

LANCE WALLNAU: He does.

Or out the norm.

Which leaves none of us safe.

INTERVIEWER: Right.

What is it that you think Trump is ordained,

if you will, or anointed to do?

What is he supposed to do?

When I wrote the book, I felt--

and it was probably because I had seen some tremendous,

ominous forebodings what would happen if he wasn't elected.

And I felt then as I do now that America's financial situation

is precarious because of its debt and its deficit, et

cetera.

And my thinking then was that he was anointed as a Cyrus

because he's going to stand in a crucible.

And I think we do have a crucible coming.

I think America's unraveling is happening in front of our eyes.

We really do have two totally incompatible worldviews

colliding, institutionally right now.

It won't take much economically, it

won't take much of a global incident

to really bring this thing to a full boil.

This will be like a Lincoln or a Churchill, someone

who God has put into position-- who

has the disposition to make the right decisions

in that crucible.

And I anticipate it's going to get a little more bumpy, not

easier.

And as much as I want everyone to breathe a sigh of relief,

I think Christians need to recognize

we have a window, actually, to be able to move forward

and to affect change.

And that if we just sit back and say, well, that was done

and go back to business as usual,

we will be making a historic mistake.

Have we done that through the generations, though?

I don't think it's anything new that we invest so much

in the presidential election that we neglect

to train the next generation.

LANCE WALLNAU: Yeah, but I think the cost is cumulative.

It's kind of like if you're going

to abuse your body in your 20s, keep doing that in your 30s.

Now do that in your 50s and watch what happens.

I think we're like the older man right now.

And so, we institutionally surrendered media.

I mean, it's not a fiction that there is a bias in media.

It's not a fiction that Hollywood has a bias.

And it's not a fiction in academia

is hostile to Christian thinking and conservative thinking.

But what happens when academia, and Hollywood, and media

upstream from where cultures form

start electing people that resonate with those messages?

We've got Millennials coming up who

are literally going to be 40, 50, 60 million of them voting.

And you know what they by and large

resonate with is socialism.

And the truth is they don't understand socialism

because there's no debate being given

to them from Marxist professors saying,

do you really want to forfeit your dream?

As your segment just said, Millennials have dreams.

If they understood that their dreams have

to be cashed in so that everybody can have

fair share to the same dream and how that doesn't

work in history, I think you'd see a Millennial awakening.

So I think we've got to engage the next generation

and think through, what does Christian worldview really

mean in secular terms?

How can we make it palatable to a secular audience?

I think you're hitting the nail on the head.

I was really disturbed by a survey that

showed Millennials agreed with this statement, from each

according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Yes.

Which is straight out of Marx.

I mean, they identified with that statement.

They thought that that was a good thing to do.

I know.

Without realizing the social cost.

And by the way, some countries have tried that

and it didn't work.

And like Margaret Thatcher said,

that socialism works up until the point where you run out

of people with money.

Then there's no one else to distribute it from.

Which is a good point.

What do you think that God is saying right now?

I felt that it was daring enough in 2015.

There's only like three people that

were saying Trump's the man, because everybody was looking

for a Christian first, and then people

piled on later as they lost Cruz and they lost other people.

But I say, no, he's the guy, because God's got a controversy

with the American church.

We would love to have our deliverer on a white horse,

but the church isn't engaging the nation,

so God's going to do his untidy work

in a Samson-like prophetic sense.

And he may slay Philistines with a jaw-bone of an ass--

and not with eloquent oratory.

But God's about to do something that's going to be unique.

After I got the book out, I thought, well,

my job's done now.

I can get out of politics.

But it wasn't that easy.

The next thing that happened was I

felt the Lord said Daniel interceded.

Cyrus came to power as a secular reformer.

After that, Ezra was arising as a teaching priest,

and Ezra mobilized the people of God

to move in the direction God called them.

And after that, Nehemiah came and built a wall.

And the Lord said study the sequence, intercessor's birth

and electoral breakthrough.

Christians showed up in unprecedented numbers

and got this man elected.

He is not a spiritual reformer.

He's a secular reformer, but he will be our friend

and he believes the church has answers.

It wouldn't surprise me if Donald Trump says something--

like Cyrus made a decree--

if Trump makes a decree or a statement

that challenges the church to get engaged in the inner city

and put their faith back into the nation.

The nation needs to be spiritized.

He's that kind of a guy that he can go that way.

When that decree happens, the church

is going to have to move from its obsession with itself

and its own existence to engaging the world around it.

At that moment, I think there will

be an awakening in America, and then the Nehemiahs

can come build the walls or restore the boundaries that

need to be reset.

INTERVIEWER: Yeah, I think we're in an Ezra season.

There you go.

And that is the teaching of the Torah.

LANCE WALLNAU: That's it, exactly.

This is how you conduct life as a community.

There it is.

And if you do that, then we'll succeed.

LANCE WALLNAU: And my God, if God can raise up

oracles that are willing to-- we had a season of revivals.

I love revival, but Christians prefer

to escape engaging culture into a kind of a spiritual zone.

If we can get the new breed of revivalists

to go out and be oracles that take these ideas--

Millennials really are intrigued by courageous articulation

of worldviews, if you've got your act together.

And I think that there's going to be something happening

on campuses where Christians and conservatives are

going to come alive, speaking what they believe.

And when the pushback comes, instead of crumbling,

I think we have a generation that's not going to crumble.

And it will be sexy then to be in the minority,

and the minority is going to be Christian conservatives.

OK.

That's where I'm putting my poker chips.

I'm sticking them in the middle.

OK.

There are going to be some forces against that, though.

Oh, my gosh, of course there will be.

And we're already seeing that.

We're already seeing--

I think, you know, it's been slowly building,

but I think we're at a point where Christian views are

openly mocked.

LANCE WALLNAU: Totally, which is why it's perfect,

because it's--

now, conservatism is really the minority.

Remember Abbie Hoffman and George Carlin back in the day?

They were able to be controversial,

because they were the outspoken liberals

against the conservative majority.

Now the outspoken minority is the conservative,

because these campuses are so dominated by liberal thought.

And Millennials have a heart for the underdog.

There's this justice thing.

I think that God is setting something up

where when the right-- think about it,

young Whitfields and young Wesleys, young Edwards.

They're many times-- the awakeners were young--

we think they're older, but they were young,

and they were Cambridge kids and Oxford kids.

I'm praying for God to raise up these young oracles that

will be able to literally push back on the cultural chaos.

And it will be very attractive, because there'll

be a community of people inviting people to Jesus

is the ultimate reasonable factor, that Jesus is still

appealing.

It's Christianity that turns off Millennials.

But I think we can have a rebranding in one generation.

INTERVIEWER: How would you encourage people that

are watching right now to pray?

What should they be specifically praying for?

I believe we have to pray for a re-mobilization

of the grassroots believers.

And when I say that, you know, the left

is very vigilant on creating websites now

that are training and mobilizing grassroots.

You're seeing protests going all over the place.

I'm not so sure, Gordon, that the church is

going to want to initiate this.

It's counter-intuitive to put together

activity that pulls people out of the church focus.

But I do think Christian leaders have to do it,

and they have to start mobilizing locally

to get believers together that will begin

to organize and show up, in terms

of the public manifestation of unity.

We probably need to have a move of God

where Christians aren't afraid to come out of the closet,

and march, and declare that they are for love

and they're not for hate, they're for solutions and not

for problems.

There has to be an answer to the perpetual organizing

on the left, and it has to come about from a praying, prophetic

community that is mobilizing on the right

and saying there are people that believe for a better

future for America, and it's not anarchy, and it's not anger.

And I think that that will have its own life.

It will take on its own grassroots, other morphing.

But it has to start there where we connect with each other.

And those people that share a concern for America

say I'm not going to sit back and just watch

history unfold or unravel.

I'll show up.

Where am I needed, like the Minutemen?

And I think every state is going to have

its own substructure of how the community of faith

shows up in the battle.

As a church, have we lost even the thought that we can change

the culture, that we can change things--

whether it's problems in the inner city, or race relations,

or the current police climate, or any of the things that you

look at our communities and you shake your head and say,

I wish it could be different.

But have we even lost the idea that we can make a difference.

That's the power of popular culture.

It's worn us down.

Listen, I was writing this book, "God's Chaos Candidate,"

and at the same time that my friends have

books like "Harbinger," which are predicting

the downfall of America.

I'm saying not so fast Hashimoto.

I think God actually is going to do something unusual

and reverse the situation.

But I was in the minority, because there

was almost more faith for the collapse of America

than there was for--

[INTERPOSING VOICES]

It's like in our righteousness,

we want judgment.

Oh, we're almost in agreement with the devil.

Not realizing that judgment is going to hurt us.

Right, I'm praying against the pilot, but I'm on the plane.

But this is the 500th year of the Reformation.

So I think that God is going to visit us

in this year of the Reformation.

All right, they're playing the music.

We're out of time.

And if you want to learn more, the book

is called "God's Chaos Candidate."

It's available wherever books are sold.