Internationally bestselling author, Andrew Klavan sits down with Scott Ross to discuss his transformation from agnostic Jew to faithful Christian, and God's hand in all of it.
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Because I was
unhappy as a child,
I became addicted to daydreams.
I became a real daydreamer.
And that really taught
me how to write.
SCOTT ROSS: Bestselling
author Andrew Klavan
grew up an angry young man.
That's probably why the
characters in his books
are usually tough as nails
and looking for answers.
Here you are, a Great Neck Jew,
Great Neck as in Long Island,
right?
Long Island, yep.
A Jewish background.
Were you religious?
Well we were raised
in the religion.
We were taught, sent
to Hebrew school,
we would celebrate
Passover and Yom Kippur
and such certain holidays.
And we were bar mitzvahed.
But the weird thing about
it was my parents really
didn't believe in God.
SCOTT ROSS: Learning rules
about a God who didn't exist
made no sense to Andrew, so he
threw himself into literature.
ANDREW KLAVAN: Because I didn't
get along with my father,
I looked for male role
models in fiction.
And I found them in
the tough guy fiction
and in Hemingway and
Raymond Chandler,
who had this great
detective Philip Marlowe.
And I modeled myself
after these guys.
And the more I read,
the more I found
that Christianity was
at the center of almost
every great story that I love.
We didn't have a New
Testament in my house, right?
We were Jews.
So I went out and bought
myself a New Testament
and started to read the gospel
according to Luke, purely
as a piece of literature
to find out what
everybody was talking about.
It convinced me that
this figure of Jesus
was at the center of Western
culture, which I loved.
And he was the center of
all the books that I love.
And that was not a religious
idea, that was a literary idea.
I didn't believe in it at all.
You were in a search
for truth, though.
That was a thing in your
gut that you were out
looking for truth.
And this was all part of that,
but you didn't recognize it
then, right?
Never.
And that was one
of the things that
bothered me about the kind
of Judaism I was raised in.
Judaism is a beautiful religion,
but when you empty it of God
it has no meaning.
And so that's been a very
intense quest for me,
to make sure that
the things I'm saying
have at least attempt to have
a relationship with reality.
NARRATOR: Andrew's
search for truth
made him realize that
life didn't make sense
without the existence of God.
But he still had no
connection to Him.
ANDREW KLAVAN: And so I began
in my mind to actually believe
that there was a God.
But I didn't quite
know it yet, there
was a little bit of a
lack of communication.
And so what I did one day
was I did an experiment.
I was reading a book, and this
guy before he went to sleep
said a prayer.
And I thought, well
if he can say a prayer
I can say a prayer too.
And it sort of seemed
random at the moment.
It seemed like praying to
a God who wasn't there,
but in my mind I already
had come to believe.
And I said this
three word prayer.
I said thank you Lord.
And I fell asleep.
And I woke up the next
morning and truly everything
had changed.
I mean everything.
There was a new
clarity to everything.
My heart was filled
with gratitude.
I was experiencing a
joy that had been there,
but had been locked away.
And suddenly knowing
God opened me up
to my own experience of life.
And my prayers got longer
and more elaborate,
and I would pray in
my car and all this,
and it transformed my life.
And so one day I was driving
in the Santa Barbara hills
and I said the same
prayer to God again.
I said thank you Lord.
You've changed everything.
Now what can I do for you?
Like a voice, almost aloud,
the words came into my mind--
now you should be baptized.
Baptized?
ANDREW KLAVAN: Yes.
And I said out loud
as I was driving,
I said you've got
to be kidding me.
There's a prayer for you.
There's an answer I was
not expecting, you know?
NARRATOR: Yeah.
And it really did create
tremendous problems.
A lot of anxiety in my mind.
My father was still alive, and
even though he and I had never
gotten along we'd
made a separate peace.
He was a good grandfather.
And you know, I didn't
want to start that trouble.
I knew that would
really explode.
So I really had to
think to myself,
is this voice the voice of God
or is it some kind of delusion?
Some kind of crazy idea
that's come into my mind?
After five months of looking
at it I thought, nope.
You know, this
makes perfect sense.
I know exactly why I came
to this decision now.
And so yeah, I really
understood that that voice
was telling the truth.
Do you consider
yourself a completed Jew?
What kind of Jew are you?
I don't like to use words
like completed Jew, because I
know some Jews find it, you
know, like they are incomplete.
They find it an insult. All
I can say is for myself,
I never knew my Jewish
self until I found Christ.
And I found my
Jewish self in Him.
What's the pursuit now?
What's the dream now?
What's the vision now?
I want to remember people like
me who are living in a world
where Atheism is
the default setting.
Especially for people
who consider themselves
intellectuals.
I want to speak into
that world that we're all
living in of broken people,
of terrible violence,
terrible hatred, terrible
sorrow and grief,
and speak of Jesus there.
You know?
Because God is God
of the real world.
He's not God of a fantasy world
where everything works out
for the best.
He's God of this world
of trouble and pain.
And so I don't want to forget
the people who are like I was,
sitting there thinking I
don't know how to live.
If I can just like maybe put
the next step in front of them.
You can't cross the river, you
can't jump across the ocean,
you've got to take
a step at a time.
And I think that if I
can put a step in front
of people that would be great.
I would consider myself
a very successful guy.