Author of "A Hope and a Future", Rabbi Jonathan Bernis discusses faith and how to trust God in uncertain times.
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Well, part of
the American dream
is the confidence
that our children
will live better than we do.
But fewer and fewer
parents believe
that's possible anymore.
And for many, a loss
of hope has come
to saturate a world that's
increasingly chaotic.
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NARRATOR: Current headlines
like the constant threat
of terrorism, an
unstable economy,
and recent racial
tensions can leave
us feeling like the
world is out of control.
But even in the midst
of this uncertainty,
messianic rabbi Jonathan
Bernis says there is hope.
He's working all things
together for good.
I want you to be filled with
His hope, to fulfill His plans,
and experience His peace
knowing that your future is
safe in His hands.
NARRATOR: In his latest
book, "A Hope and a Future,"
Jonathan challenges you to
see yourself and your future
through God's eyes.
Well, please welcome to
the 700 Club my dear friend,
Jonathan Bernis.
And it's great to have
you here, Jonathan.
It's great to be
with you, thanks.
Yeah.
It's an honor to
have you on the show.
You had your whole
life mapped out.
You were-- you
were saying, I was
going to be-- I'm going
to be a millionaire by 30.
I'm going to-- the
world is my oyster.
And what happened to you?
I had one ambition
from the time
that I had my bar
mitzvah when I was
13-- to be a multimillionaire
successful businessman
and just travel the world.
And that was my goal.
And so I did all kinds
of business activities
in high school.
I had a car dealership
and then a travel agency.
In high school, you
had a car dealership?
In my last couple of years of
school, buying performance cars
and reselling-- fixing
them up, reselling.
GORDON ROBERTSON: Wow.
And yeah, socking
away all the money.
That was my goal.
That was my plan.
I went to school for
business administration.
And everything was
going on track.
And then a friend of mine got
saved and made me her project.
So that's when
everything changed.
You had an encounter with her.
There was a meeting.
And you felt the physical
separation between you
and a living God-- the
presence of God and heaven.
I did.
I didn't see any vision.
I didn't hear any voice.
But I was at a Bible-- I went
to a Bible study with her just
to appease her.
I didn't really want to
go, but she kept bugging.
And I finally said yes.
And at that study-- the
leader, after the study group,
put a Bible in my
hand, took me upstairs,
and began to go over scriptures
about sin and separation
from God.
And Gordon, I had
this incredible--
I started to sweat.
I started to-- the
lights got brighter.
And I-- looking back, I
realize the presence of God
came into that room--
the living God.
I had never experienced
that before.
And I grew up in a Jewish
home believing in God,
believing in the Bible or
the people of the book,
but never an encounter
with a living God.
God was a distant
God, a holy God.
But in that room, I felt
the presence of God.
And I prayed a
prayer just because I
wanted this unpleasant
experience to end.
But that prayer changed my life.
That experience changed my life.
And I woke up and
immediately had a desire
to read the scriptures, which
I had never read before.
I had never read my own Bible.
The New Testament,
I was taught, was
the book for the Christians.
And it took me a while to find
a Bible, believe it or not.
I didn't know where
to find a Bible.
And I wanted to read
the New Testament,
so I knew I couldn't
go to the synagogue.
But somebody had given
me a Bible years earlier
in high school.
And I got on my motorcycle
and drove 60 miles
to my home to find that Bible.
The word of God
never returns void.
And when I read
the New Testament
and saw Jesus was
Jewish-- I didn't
know that Jesus was Jewish,
that all of the first disciples
were Jews.
It just-- it just
transformed my life.
And I knew very
early on after that
that God was calling me
into full-time ministry.
For you, that's-- this
has got to be a huge break.
It's like you're-- you know,
from a family's perspective,
you're now saying, I'm
different from you.
And what-- what was
that like going through?
It was a very, very
difficult experience
to tell you the truth.
I finally told my parents.
And I had been-- I had been
experimenting with drugs
and Eastern religions.
And all that seemed to be fine.
But when I told my
parents I believe
that Jesus is our Messiah,
my mother began to cry.
My father was very upset.
They sent me to the rabbi.
The rabbi listened
to me very patiently
and then began to tell me that I
was hurting the Jewish people--
that what Adolf
Hitler began, I was
continuing with the spiritual
destruction of our people.
There was a lot of rejection.
And many Jewish believers
experience great rejection
because of a 2000 year
history of anti-semitism
in the name of Christ
and Christianity.
So I became one of them.
It's very much an us
and them mentality.
But I just became absolutely
rooted in the reality
that I am still a Jew.
This is my Messiah.
And a lot of the people that
rejected me in the beginning
have now come to know the Lord.
I'm still praying for
my mother and my sister.
But my brother's come to faith.
And God is working
among the Jewish people.
Why is it so hard?
I mean, within the
Jewish community,
if you start saying
you're messianic,
there is an automatic rejection.
If you say, I'm now a completed
Jew, there's a rejection.
There's even a-- an abhorrence,
to even use the term.
JONATHAN BERNIS: There is.
If you want to be a
Christian, that's OK.
Yes.
But it means separation
from our community.
Why-- why is that?
Why isn't there an
acknowledgment that--
JONATHAN BERNIS: Well,
that's a great question.
---the New Testament is
entirely written by Jews.
And Christianity, is in its
essence-- basic essence,
a Jewish religion.
Well, you and I know that.
But there's a 2000
year history that
separates church
and synagogue as two
distinct religious
entities-- institutions--
and a desire on both sides
not to blur the lines.
And so for us to
come along and say,
we're-- we not only believe
in Jesus and Yeshua,
but we are still Jews.
And He is our promised Messiah.
It goes against a
2000 year history
of the Jewish community, that
rabbinic Judaism at its root
rejects Jesus, the
Messiahship of Yeshua.
But that's changing.
Hundreds-- tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands
of Jewish people, have
come to know their Messiah
in the last 30 years.
Right.
And it seems to be accelerating.
It seems to be--
It's accel-- ever
since the restoration
of Jerusalem in 1967.
Gordon, there's some connection
between the restoration
of Jerusalem and the
blindness coming off
of the eyes of
the Jewish people.
GORDON ROBERTSON: And that
was the prayer of Paul.
That was the prayer of Paul.
Yeah.
He wanted to count
himself accursed so
that they could come to faith.
I would give up
my very salvation,
he said, for the salvation
of my own people.
I can't even comprehend that.
Giving up our life, yes-- but
someone that knew the depths of
and joy of heaven and the
realities of hell, and he says,
I'd give it all up for my own
people, the people of Israel.
It's remarkable.
How do you tie what is
currently happening in Israel
and what is currently happening
to the Jewish people worldwide?
How do you tie that
to Jeremiah 29:11?
Well, this promise--
which I believe
is for every believer--
it's this incredible promise
in the midst of a very bad
chapter of Israel's history.
The 10 northern tribes are gone.
The two tribes in the south
are now captives in Babylon.
In the midst of that
promise-- or in the midst
of that exile-- God says,
I have a plan for you.
I know the situation you're in.
But I have a plan for you.
And it's a good plan
to give you peace,
to give you hope and a
future-- not to harm you.
That's a national
promise for Israel.
And then it goes on and talks
about, I'll bring you back.
You've rejected me.
I've scattered you.
But I'm going to bring
you back from captivity.
Gordon, look at Israel today.
You were just there.
God has fulfilled His word.
He is faithful.
And that--
Yeah, the desert has bloomed.
That same God who's
been faithful to Israel
is faithful to us and will--
and has a plan for our life
and promises to
fulfill that plan.
Why is it so important
to hold on to that hope?
And I'm hearing
it-- a pretty steady
drumbeat in America
today, that judgment
is coming, that there's
really going to be bad things.
Our best days are behind
us, they're not ahead of us.
And we seem, as a culture,
to be losing hope.
We are.
I'm not sure if I
completely believe that.
But financially,
things are a mess.
Iran is racing towards
nuclear capability.
The world is a dangerous place.
And I think there is a
shortage of hope right now.
Hope is confident
expectation in a-- in what
God promises for the
future, in a good future.
And I just think there's a
deficit of hope right now.
And people are looking for
something to hang on to.
We have the answer.
How do you find it because I
know the drum beat is steady,
and I hear it-- I hear it
even in the vocal inflection
of Christians today?
It's almost like, we have
to get into the bunker now.
And how-- how do you
find hope in the middle
of what we're going through?
I think that there is a deficit
of hope even among Christians,
even within the church.
And it's-- it's going back
to really trusting in God,
getting back into His word.
If you seek me with all your
heart, you will find me.
That's what it says
in the next verse.
If you seek me, you'll find me.
But it's first believing that
God really cares about us,
that He loves us.
And we've got to get over
the insecurity that He can--
He can use us.
We're on TV.
He can use us.
But He can't-- what about me?
Yes, God has a plan
for us, the church.
But what about me individually?
It's harder to trust God for
our own needs, our own healing,
than for others.
We've got to get
over the unbelief,
God didn't come
through in times past.
I have trouble believing Him for
my future-- or unforgiveness,
condemnation.
Yes, God has a plan for me.
But I'm not worthy of that plan.
Well, you're not.
That's the reality.
But He who knew no
sin became sin for us
that we might be made the
righteousness of God in Him.
I think we've got to
get back into the word.
We've got to get in back
to the essentials of prayer
and really believe.
We've got to get this-- I'd say
in Yiddish-- the schmutz out
of our life.
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And get back to
believing in God.
Go back to the-- to
the very beginning,
the way they lived in
the very beginning.
These people experienced
a transformation.
And they changed the world.
We can change the world.
What do you see next for
the church in the world?
Well, I think we have the only
answer, the only peace plan.
We-- we're called to pray
for the peace of Jerusalem,
the Shalom of Jerusalem.
The only peace plan that will
work is the Prince of Peace.
He's the only one that can
touch a mili-- a jihadist--
and actually caused
them to become
a lover of the Jewish
people and Israel
through a relationship with God.
The gospel in prayer--
the proclamation
of the gospel in prayer-- is
God's plan to change mankind.
And I think we have to be
about the Father's business.
We have to work while
it's day, for night
will come when no man can work.
And I think there's a
separation going on.
But God is calling a people
to get-- grow closer to Him
and be vessels for Him.
And I believe that
the Church is going
to get brighter and brighter.
The light's going to get
brighter and brighter
as the darkness gets
darker and darker.
Yeah.
I couldn't agree more.
Now's the time for us to
really redouble our efforts
to preach the gospel.
JONATHAN BERNIS: Now's the time.
I really believe we're
in the last days.
If--
And when you hear of terrorism
or you hear of ISIS or you
hear of turmoil, that's
exactly the time to go in
and preach the gospel.
And we have the only message
that can transform lives.
"A Hope and a Future,"
and that's Jonathan's book.
It's called "A
Hope and a Future."
I encourage you to get it if
you want an in-depth study
of Jeremiah 20:11-- 29:11.
What it means for you
individually-- not just
for a people, not
just for Israel,
not just for the church
in a general sense,
but for you individually.
I encourage you to get it.
It's available wherever
books are sold.
Jonathan, thanks
for being with us.
Great to be with you.
All right.