[APPLAUSE]

Terry: HI, EVERYBODY.

WELCOME TO "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

THE 1973 ROE VS. WADE

DECISION MAY HAVE LEGALIZED

ABORTION ACROSS AMERICA, BUT

IT DIDN'T END THE DEBATE.

THE CONTROVERSIAL SUPREME

COURT DECISION HAS DIVIDED

THE COUNTRY INTO TWO CAMPS:

PRO LIFE AND PRO CHOICE.

Gordon: RYAN AND

BETHANY KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW

DIFFICULT THAT CHOICE CAN

BE, BECAUSE OF A CHOICE

RYAN'S MOTHER MADE BEFORE HE

WAS BORN.

WATCH THIS.

* I KNOW I WAS MEANT TO

BE *

* THIS LIFE WAS MEANT FOR

ME *

*

*

* OH, YOUR TEARS, THEY WERE

NOT IN VAIN *

* ALTHOUGH YOU COULD NOT

SEE *

* WHAT GOD MEANT FOR ME

*

* GOD MEANT FOR ME TO BE

Gordon: PLEASE WELCOME

RYAN AND BETHANY BOMBURGER

TO "700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

RYAN, YOU HAD SOME REAL

UNUSUAL BACKGROUND GROWING

UP.

AND YOUR MOM MADE A CHOICE

FOR YOU.

WHAT WAS IT?

SHE MADE AN INCREDIBLY

BRAVE CHOICE.

MY BIOLOGICAL MOTHER CHOSE

TO GIVE ME LIFE, EVEN THOUGH

SHE HAD BEEN RAPED.

SO I WAS PLACED FOR

ADOPTION, AND AN AMAZING

FAMILY OF 15, MULTI-RACIAL

FAMILY OF 15, AND BECAUSE OF

MY BIOLOGICAL MOTHER'S

DECISION, I WAS ABLE TO LOVE

AND BE LOVED.

IT IS JUST AN AMAZING THING,

TO BE GIVEN THE GIFT OF

LIFE.

Gordon: SHE HAS BECOME

PART OF YOUR LIFE AGAIN.

HOW DOES THAT WORK?

NO.

NO.

ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHO

MY BIOLOGICAL MOTHER IS AT

ALL.

BUT MY PARENTS, HENRY AND

ANDREA BOMBBURGER, WHO ARE

AMAZING PEOPLE, BROUGHT OUT

SO MUCH IN THIS LIFE THAT

MANY IN THE ABORTION

INDUSTRY SAID SHOULD HAVE

BEEHAVE BEEN ABORTED.

Gordon: HOW DID YOU

LEARN THIS STORY?

A TEENAGER, I FINALLY

UNDERSTOOD.

MY MOM THOUGHT SHE EXPRESSED

IT TO ME WHEN I WAS YOUNGER,

BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL MY

TEENAGED YEARS WHAT THAT

MEANT.

SO IT WAS AT THAT POINT, IT

WAS A PRETTY DEVASTATING

MOMENT TO UNDERSTAND HOW I

CAME TO BE.

Gordon: HOW DID YOU

DEAL WITH THAT?

WHAT WAS THE PROCESS FOR YOU

JUST TO BE COMFORTABLE JUST

BEING YOU.

TEENAGED YEARS AREN'T THE

BEST TIME FOR A WHOLE LOT OF

PEOPLE.

THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF

CONFUSION GOING ON.

BUT IT ADDED A WHOLE LOT

MORE CONFUSION, AND ANGER.

EVEN ANGER TOWARDS GOD, LIKE

HOW CAN THAT EVEN BE, AND

THEN RESENTMENT.

BUT I THINK WORKING ALL OF

THAT OUT -- MY PARENTS LOVED

ALL OF US, ALL 13 OF THEIR

KIDS INCREDIBLY, AND I THINK

THAT HELPED MY PROCESS OF

HEALING.

AND THEN I REALIZED THAT MY

STORY COULD ACTUALLY BE USED

IN POWERFUL WAYS.

WHICH I WOULDN'T REALIZE

UNTIL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT I HAD

A STORY AT THAT POINT.

Gordon: UH-HUH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOUR

SITUATION COULD HAVE EASILY

GONE NEGATIVE WITH IT AND

REALLY START -- YOU CAN TAP

INTO A LOT OF ANGER WITH

THAT, CAN'T YOU?

AND WHAT CONVINCED THAT THAT

WAS THE WAY TO GO?

WELL, I BELIEVE LOOKING

AT THE EXAMPLE MY PARENTS

SET, WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO

TAKE SITUATIONS IN YOUR LIFE

THAT MAY BE THE ASHES SORT

OF SITUATION, AND YOU CAN

MAKE THINGS SO BEAUTIFUL OUT

OF IT.

AND I THINK THE POINT I

REALIZED THAT WAS ACTUALLY

AT REGENT'S UNIVERSITY,

DURING A COMMISSIONING

SERVICE, WHERE I SHARED HOW

I CAME TO BE, AND WHY I

WANTED TO GET MY MASTER'S

DEGREE, WHAT IT WAS SO

IMPORTANT TO ME.

WHEN I SHARED MY STORY,

PEOPLE WERE CRYING.

ONE WOMAN CAME UP TO ME JUST

BALLING AND SAYING, YOU NEED

TO SHARE THIS WITH AS MANY

PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.

I REALIZED AT THAT MOMENT I

HAVE THIS VERY POTENT STORY

THAT CAN BRING HEALING TO

PEOPLE, THAT CAN BRING

HOPE.

AND I STARTED AT THAT POINT,

BACK IN 1997.

Gordon: OKAY.

WHERE HAVE YOU GONE WITH

THAT STORY?

WOW!

WE HAVE GONE -- I MEAN,

ALL ACROSS THE NATION.

LITERALLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO

REACH MILLIONS WITH THE

STORY THROUGH THE RATINGS

FOUNDATION AND OUR

COMPAIGNS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE

TO SHARE THE STORY WITH MORE

AND MORE PEOPLE THROUGH

MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

THE MEDIA ACTE REACTED WITH

A FRENZY TO OUR WEBSITE.

WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHARE

THIS STORY OF SOMEBODY WHO

COULD BE EASILY WRITTEN OFF

BECAUSE YOU'RE UNWANTED, BUT

INSTEAD ADOPTED AND LOVED.

IT IS AMAZING TO BE ABLE TO

SHARE LITERALLY WITH

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

Gordon: BETH, HOW DID

YOU TWO MEET?

WE ACTUALLY MET AT

REGENT.

Gordon: ANOTHER REGENT

SUCCESS STORY.

HE GRADUATED, AND I WAS

STILL THERE, AND HE WAS THE

LEAD SINGER OF A BAND AND I

WAS WORKING ON PUTTING ON A

SHOW.

Gordon: SO YOU FELL FOR

THE SINGER OF THE BAND.

I DID.

I FELL IN LOVE WITH HER.

IT WAS LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT.

RIGHT?

ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: YOU WERE

FIRST.

BETH, YOU'VE GOT YOUR OWN

STORY?

I WAS THAT GIRL THAT GREW

UP IN YOUTH GROUP AND LOVED

THE LORD FROM A YOUNG AGE

AND GREW UP IN CHURCH.

AS I HIT MY TEENAGED YEARS

AND MY 20s, LIFE SOMETIMES

HANDS YOU DISAPPOINTMENTS,

AND THINGS THAT YOU THOUGHT

GOD WAS GOING TO DO FOR YOU

BECAUSE YOU WANTED IT, WERE

GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY AND

IT DIDN'T QUITE.

I REALLY BECAME SOMEWHAT

JADED, AND I BEGAN TO MAKE

MORE SELFISH DECISIONS AND

THINKING THAT I COULD MAYBE

CONTROL MY LIFE BETTER THAN

GOD.

Gordon: I CAN RUN THE

UNIVERSE BETTER.

I CAN DO THIS.

Gordon: I CAN RUN MY

UNIVERSE BETTER?

RIGHT.

IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK THAT

WAY.

Gordon: WHAT WERE THE

DISAPPOINTMENTS?

DISAPPOINTMENTS IN THINGS

THAT MAY NOT SEEM BIG TO

OTHER PEOPLE, BUT THINGS I

WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT, AND I

THOUGHT AT THAT TIME I WAS

SUPPOSED TO WALK INTO THOSE

SITUATIONS AND THEY WERE

SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, AND

RELATIONSHIPS THAT I THOUGHT

MIGHT END UP AS SOMETHING

AND DIDN'T.

AND I REALIZE THAT GOD HAD

GREATER THINGS FOR ME.

YOU KNOW, THAT

DISAPPOINTMENT AND BEING

VERY SHORT-SIGHTED CAN

REALLY PUSH US TO BE SELFISH

AND MAKE UNGODLY, SELL

SELFISH DECISIONS.

AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS IN MY

TEENS AND EARLY 20s.

Gordon: I THINK A LOT

OF CHRISTIAN KIDS WALK THAT

SAME WALK.

WHAT WOULD YOU TELL A

TEENAGER WHO HAS GROWN UP IN

THE CHURCH AND IS GOING,

WAIT A MINUTE, THIS ISN'T

TURNING OUT THE WAY I

THOUGHT.

YOU START LOOKING AROUND THE

CHURCH, AND IF YOU WANT TO

FIND PROBLEMS IN THE CHURCH,

IT IS PRETTY EASY.

AND YOU START FINDING

PROBLEMS AND DEFECTS AND

MAKING EXCUSES WHY YOU CAN

DO THAT.

RIGHT.

Gordon: WHAT WOULD YOU

TELL THEM?

I THINK ONE OF THE

BIGGEST THINGS IS, FIRST OF

ALL, IT HAS TO BE A

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOU AND

JESUS.

AND YOU GETTING TO KNOW HIM,

AND YOU PRESSING INTO HIM.

AND WHEN HE PUTS THE DESIRES

IN YOUR HEART, SOMETIMES

THEY HAVE TO MARINATE FOR A

LITTLE BIT.

WHEN THINGS DON'T HAPPEN AS

QUICKLY, AND YOU'RE DESIRE

IS A GODLY DESIRE, GOD IS

JUST PUTTING THINGS IN LINE

FOR YOU.

AND TO WAIT IS A VERY HARD

THING TO DO.

BUT IN ANY LANGUAGE, WAIT

MEANS WAIT.

JUST HOLD IT DOWN.

AND AS YOU PURSUE GOD, HIS

TIMING -- FOR ME THAT'S

HUGE -- HIS TIMING WAS NOT

MY TIMING.

IN THE MIDDLE, DON'T BE THE

SHEEP THAT ROCKS OFF THE

EDGE OF THE CLIFF WHILE

YOU'RE JUST GRAZING.

BE WHO GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO

BE AND STAY FOCUSED.

I LOOK BACK ON MY LIFE AND I

SEE A LOT OF MY UNGODLY

DECISIONS LED ME TO BEING

SINGLE AND PREGNANT IN MY

EARLY 20s.

I REALIZED AT THAT POINT I

COULD NO LONGER BE SELFISH

BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY

AFFECTING OTHERS, AND IT HIT

HOME FOR ME.

I HAD A DEFINING MOMENT.

I LOOK BACK AND I THINK OF

FEBRUARY 14th, WHICH WAS

VALENTINE'S DAY, AND IT WAS

A SATURDAY MORNING, 9:00 IN

THE MORNING, AND I HAD MY

FIRST ULTRASOUND, AND THERE

I WALK INTO THIS EMPTY ROOM,

JUST BY MYSELF, WITH THE

ULTRASOUND TECH.

AND I SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME

MY DAUGHTER'S LITTLE BEATING

HEART.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD THIS

DEFINING MOMENT AS I SAW IN

THE EMPTINESS OF THE ROOM, I

FELT THE FULLNESS OF THE

LOVE OF GOD FOR ME.

I JUST FELT HE WRAPPED MY

HEART AND HER HEART AND HIS

HEART, AND CALLED ME,

REALLY, BACK TO HIMSELF.

I WENT HOME THAT VERY NIGHT,

AND GOD GAVE ME PSALM 34: 5,

"THEY LOOKED TO HIM AND WERE

WAITING, AND THEIR FACES

WERE NEVER COVERED WITH

SHAME."

THAT'S WHAT THE RADIANCE

FOUNDATION IS PREDICATED

UPON.

FOR ME IT WAS SO PERSONAL,

BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MATTER THE

SHAME OF MY YESTERDAY'S

DECISIONS, UNGODLY AND

SELFISH AS THEY WERE, BUT

WHEN GOD IN FUSES YOU WITH

HIS GLORY, HIS GLORY BECOMES

WHAT PEOPLE SEE.

AND IT IS NOT SHAME

ANYMORE.

I ALWAYS WANTED FOR MY CHILD

AND FOR MY LIFE TO WALK IN

THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT HAVING FELT

THAT TRANSFORMATION

PERSONALLY AND HAVING WALKED

THROUGH THAT ON MY OWN, THAT

SORT OF HAS BEEN THE IMPETUS

FOR GETTING BACK INTO THE

WILL OF GOD FOR MY LIFE.

Gordon: WE'RE GOING TO

HAVE SOME MORE WITH THE

BOMBURGERS IN JUST A

SECOND.

> AND WE'LL BE JOINED BY A

FORMER BOARD MEMBER FROM

PLANNED PARENTHOOD, AND

SHE'LL TELL US ABOUT THE

RACIST ROOTS OF THAT

ORGANIZATION.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS IT.

STAY TUNED.

Gordon: WE'RE BACK WITH

MORE FROM RYAN AND BETHANY.

BEFORE THE BREAK, BETHANY,

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT

PSALMS.

HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR

PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH

SEXUAL SIN, WHETHER THAT IS

ABUSE OR THEIR OWN CHOICE --

HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR THEM

TO GET PAST THE SHAME?

AND WHY DOES THAT SEEM TO

WANT TO DRAG US BACK IN AND

KEEP US LOCKED INTO A

PATTERN?

WELL, I THINK THAT THERE

IS ALWAYS THIS PLOY AND THIS

STRATEGY OF THE ENEMY TO

KEEP YOU IN A DARK PLACE.

AND GOD SAYS BRING IT OUT IN

THE LIGHT AND I WILL REDEEM

ALL THINGS.

AND I DEFINITELY -- BECAUSE

IT IS SUCH A PERSONAL AND A

PHYSICAL THING, AND A LOT OF

TIMES WE THINK THIS IS

SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE

COULD HAVE CHANGED.

AND IF WE HADN'T DONE WHAT

WE DID, WE WOULDN'T BE IN

THIS SITUATION.

AND SO YOU TAKE A LOT OF THE

GUILT AND THE SHAME, AND YOU

CAN LIVE IN GUILT AND SHAME

FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE.

AND THEN YOU REALIZE,

THOUGH, IF YOU PRESS IN AND

YOU SAY I WANT MORE FOR MY

LIFE.

I WANT TO KNOW THE GOD THAT

CREATED ME BECAUSE EASE UP

THERE SAYING, I KNOW WHAT

YOU DID AND I LOVE YOU

ANYWAY.

AND HE SAYS THAT AGAIN AND

AGAIN IN HIS WORD.

Gordon: WHY IS IT SO

HARD FOR US TO BELIEVE

THAT?

RIGHT.

OF COURSE IT IS HARD BECAUSE

THERE IS A LIAR THAT TALKS

TO US CONSTANTLY.

I THINK WHEN HE SAYS TAKE

EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE, IT'S

A REALLY IMPORTANT PLACE TO

START.

YOU NEED TO THINK AS GOD IS

PERCEIVING YOU, AND THAT

RIGHTEOUSNESS ISN'T

SOMETHING THAT ONE DAY

YOU'RE GOING TO SPIN AROUND

IN A PHONE BOOTH AND END UP

FEELING THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF

CHRIST.

IT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO

PRESS INTO HIM.

Gordon: YOU HAVE TO

WORK ON.

YOU HAVE TO WORK ON YOUR

THOUGHTS.

YOU HAVE TO WORK ON YOUR

THOUGHTS AND YOU HAVE TO

ALLOW HIM TO TAKE OVER THOSE

PLACES.

Gordon: YOU'RE

SCRIPTURE FROM PSALMS THEN

BECAME A FOUNDATION.

YEAH.

Gordon: AND YOU'RE

TRYING TO SHARE THIS WITH

OTHER PEOPLE.

HOW IS THAT WORKING?

YEAH.

WELL, THE RADIANCE

FOUNDATION -- OUR VISION IS

TO INSPIRE PEOPLE TO LIVE A

LIFE OF MEANING BY EMBRACING

THEIR GOD-GIVEN PURPOSE.

SO THROUGH POWERFUL SPEAKING

ENGAGEMENTS AND NATIONAL

MEDIA COMPAIGNS AND

COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE'RE

ABLE TO ADDRESS A MYRIAD OF

ISSUES AND WHAT GOD SAYS

ABOUT YOUR PURPOSE.

AND HOW YOUR CHOICE ANOTHER

HELP YOU OR HINDER YOU FROM

WALKING OUT THAT PURPOSE.

THAT GOD HAS DETERMINED YOU

WALK OUT.

Gordon: IF PEOPLE WANT

TO GET IN TOUCH, WHERE DO

THEY GO?

THEY GO TO THE

radiancecampaign.org OR

toomanyaborted.com.

Gordon: WHY ARE PEOPLE

SO OPPOSED TO JUST THE

CONCEPT THAT WE'RE KILLING

TOO MANY BABIES.

ANY TIME YOU SPEAK THE

TRUTH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE

OPPOSITION.

PEOPLE WANT TO ALWAYS PUT

ABORTION IN THIS POLITICAL

CONTEXT.

IT IS A SPIRITUAL THING, A

MORAL THING.

ANY TIME YOU SPEAK THE

TRUTH, THERE IS ALWAYS GOING

TO BE ALL KINDS OF PUSHBACK

AND ALL KINDS OF

OPPOSITIONS.

THE MEDIA COVERAGE OF OUR

FIRST CAMPAIGN IN 2010,

WHICH SAID OUR BILLBOARD

SAID BLACK CHILDREN ARE IN

DANGER BY ABORTION, BROUGHT

OUT ALL KINDS OF WHAT I CALL

ABORTION APOLOGYISTS.

WPSALM 39: "WE ARE ALL

FEARFULLY AND WONDERFULLY

MADE."

NOT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE A

GRAND SCHEME BY TWO PARENTS,

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE CREATED BY

GOD.

THE BILLBOARDS IN ATLANTA,

WHICH SHOW HOW ROE VS. WADE

HAS MOCKED HUMAN RIGHTS

STATISTICS.

WE'RE ILLUMINATING PLANNED

PARENTHOOD'S HISTORY FOR

RACISM --

Gordon: FOR THE

AUDIENCE, WHAT ARE THE

STATISTICS?

YOU'RE LOOKING AT

1.21 MILLION ABORTIONS EVERY

YEAR.

OUT OF THAT, DISPROPORTION

NATELY, THE BLACK POPULATION

HAS ABORTIONS UP TO FIVE

TIMES THAT OF THE MAJORITY

OF POPULATIONS.

IN FACT, IT IS SO EPIDEMIC,

IN NEW YORK CITY WE'RE

LOOKING AT 60% OF ALL BLACK

PREGNANCIES END IN

ABORTION.

60%.

IN PHILADELPHIA, 50% OF ALL

BLACK PREGNANCIES END UP IN

ABORTIONS.

WHILE IT IS LOWERING IN

OTHER COMMUNITIES.

WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THROUGH

OUR CAMPAIGN WHERE THIS

DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT IS

FELT THE MOST.

WE'RE GETTING ALL KINDS OF

POSITIVE FEEDBACK,

PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO ARE

SAYING THANK YOU FOR

ILLUMINATING THE TRUTH, AND

THANK YOU FOR SAVING

SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND MEN ARE COMING OUT OF

THE WOODWORK, MEN WHO HAVE

BEEN PROFOUNDING IMPACTED BY

ABORTION, HAVING FORCED

THEIR GIRLFRIENDS OR WIVES,

AND THEY'RE COMING OUT AND

SAYING I WISH I WOULD HAVE

MADE A DIFFERENT CHOICE.

WE BELIEVE THERE ARE THREE

LIVES AT STAKE, THE UNBORN

CHILD, AND THE WOULD-BE

MOTHER AND THE WOULD-BE

CHILD, AND THERE IS

POSSIBILITY IN EACH ONE OF

THEM THAT IS BEING

EXTINGUISHED BY PLANNED

PARENTHOOD.

Gordon: IF YOU WANT TO

KNOW MORE, GO TO

radiancefoundation.org OR

GOING TO CBN.COM.

THE BOMBURGERS HAVE CREATED

A VIDEO THAT SHOWS SOME OF

THE FACTS OF THE ABORTION

ISSUE, AND LEAVES YOU TO

DECIDE.

THE PROBLEM WITH UN...

UN...UNTRUE.

* LIES, LIES, DON'T BELIEVE

THEM *

* LIES, LIES, DON'T BELIEVE

THEM.

*

* LIES, LIES, DON'T BELIEVE

THEM *

* LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES

THE COUNTRY IS VERY

CLEAR.

THEY FEEL THIS IS A SETTLED

ISSUE.

I'M NOT FOR ABORTION.

I'M PRO-CHOICE.

BLACK WOMEN DON'T HAVE

ACCESS TO INSURANCE AND

DOCTORS.

WE STAND FOR THE TEACHING

OF HONEST, REALISTIC SEX

EDUCATION.

EVERYONE AGREES

PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION IS

HORRIFIC.

SO MANY WOMEN WERE FOUND

BLEEDING, DEAD, WITH HANGERS

IN THEIR BODIES.

YOU DON'T FIGHT FOR THE

RIGHTS OF FEMALES IN THE

WOMB.

THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS.

THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS

THAT YOUR KIDNEYS WOULD

HAVE.

* DON'T TELL ME LIES

* DON'T TELL ME LIES

Gordon: WELL, JOINING

OUR DECISION IS DR. LAVERN

TOLBURT.

DR. LAVERN, WELCOME TO "700

CLUB INTERACTIVE."

GOOD MORNING.

Gordon: YOU WERE A

MEMBER OF PLANNED

PARENTHOOD'S BOARD OF

DIRECTORS.

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

IT WAS VERY

EDUCATIONALLY.

FROM 1975 TO 1980 I WAS ON

THE BOARD OF PLA PLANNED

PARENTHOOD IN NEW YORK

CITY.

THERE I LEARNED THE TRUTH

ABOUT ABORTION.

ABORTION HAD JUST BECOME

LEGAL NATIONALLY A FEW YEARS

EARLIER.

AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE

INFORMATION THAT IS

AVAILABLE NOW ABOUT FETAL

DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WERE

NO ULTRASOUNDS.

WE DID NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF

DATA, BUT WHAT WE FELT, AND

WHAT I FELT, ALSO, THAT

EVERY WOMAN HAD A CHOICE,

THAT WAS UNTIL I SAT ON THE

BOARD.

AND THERE I LEARNED FOR

EVERY ABORTION PERFORMED, A

DEATH CERTIFCATE HAD TO BE

ISSUED.

AND SO A DEATH CERT SAT

CERTIFCATE IS ONLY ISSUED

WHEN SOMEONE WHO IS ALIVE

HAS DIED.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S BIGGEST

CHALLENGE WAS TO OVERTURN

THAT DEATH CERTIFICATE

RULING.

AND I LEARNED LATER THAT

THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN

OVERTURNING THAT WHEN I

SPOKE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF

HEALTH.

AND I ASKED, ARE DEATH

CERTIFICATES STILL

REQUIRED?

THIS IS, OF COURSE, AFTER I

RELOCATED TO LAS VEGAS.

AND THEY TOLD ME, A DEATH

CERTIFICATE IS ONLY REQUIRED

IF THERE IS MUSCLE

MOVEMENT.

AND I ASKED, MUSCLE

MOVEMENT?

DO YOU MEAN BEATING OF THE

HEART?

AND THEY SAID YES, ONLY IF

THE BABY TAKES A BREATH

BEFORE IT DIES.

SO MY EDUCATION ON THE BOARD

OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD WAS

VERY, VERY INSTRUCTIVE.

I LEARNED HOW ABORTIONS WERE

PERFORMED.

AND WHEN I READ THIS

DOCUMENTATION, I WENT TO THE

BOARD MEETING, AND I SAID

THIS IS TRAUMATIC FOR THE

MOTHER AND THE BABY.

AND A WOMAN SAT ACROSS FROM

ME AND SHE SAID IT IS NOT

TRAUMATIC.

NOW, IMAGINE, I WAS THE

YOUNGEST PERSON ON THE

BOARD, THE ONLY

AFRICAN-AMERICAN ON THE

BOARD, AND I LOOKED AROUND

THIS ENORMOUS BOARD ROOM

TABLE AND I WONDERED WHO ARE

THESE PEOPLE?

WHY IS ABORTION MORE

NECESSARY FOR BLACK WOMEN

THAN FOR OTHER POPULATIONS?

WELL, THAT WAS QUICKLY

ANSWERED WHEN I RECEIVED THE

DOCUMENTS ON POPULATION

CONTROL.

AND I WONDERED, WHICH

POPULATION ARE THEY TRYING

TO CONTROL?

AND A BOOMERANG CAME BACK TO

ME.

Gordon: DID YOU KNOW

THE STATISTICS AT THAT POINT

IN TIME ABOUT HOW MINORITIES

HAD A HUGE PERCENTAGE, MUCH,

MUCH HIGHER THAN THE

MAJORITY POPULATION?

NO, I DID NOT KNOW IT

THEN, BUT I COMPLETED

DOCTORAL STUDIES AT THE

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND

HUMAN SERVICES, AND THEY

HIRED PLANNED PARENTHOOD IN

1969 AND 1970, WHEN

PRESIDENT NIXON CALLED FOR

COMMISSION ON POPULATION

GROWTH AND THE AMERICAN

FUTURE.

AND THAT IS WHEN I LEARNED

THAT THE REASON PLANNED

PARENTHOOD WAS HIRED TO PUT

FACILITIES IN THE INNER

CITIES WAS TO SUPPRESS THE

FERTILITY RATE OF THE FIVE

MILLION BLACK WOMEN WHO WERE

CONSIDERED TO BE AT RISK, OF

PREGNANCY, THAT IS.

Gordon: IS THAT WHY YOU

GOT INVOLVED IN

TOOMANYABORTED.COM?

ABSOLUTELY.

WHEN I RELOCATED TO

LOS ANGELES, I STARTED AN

ORGANIZATION CALLED BLACK

LIFE.

AND WE WENT TO CHURCHES AND

SPOKE TO PASTORS TO EDUCATE

THEM ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING

ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

BUT THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IT.

IT SOUNDED TOO HYSTERICAL

AND TOO FAR-FETCHED.

ONE PASTOR, HOWEVER, DID

RESPOND AND HE OPENED THE

CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER THAT

HAS SAVED THOUSANDS OF

PEOPLE.

AND HE SHALL REMAIN

NAMELESS, OF COURSE, BECAUSE

HIS WORK IS VERY, VERY

IMPORTANT.

BUT I'M COMMITTED TO

EDUCATING THE BLACK

COMMUNITY, AS IS RYAN AND

BETHANY AND THOSE PEOPLE IN

THE BLACK PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT,

ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON AND

PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S

AGENDA.

UNFORTUNATELY WE SAY PLANNED

PARENTHOOD, BUT IT DOESN'T

STOP THERE.

THIS IS A WONDERFUL COUNTRY,

THE ONLY PLACE IN THE WORLD

I WANT TO LIVE.

IT IS OUR GOVERNMENT THAT

HIRES THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD

TO PROVIDE ABORTIONS TO

BLACK WOMEN IN THE INNER

CITY.

Gordon: ARE YOU

GETTING -- YOU KNOW, RYAN

AND BETHANY WERE TALKING

ABOUT THE MEDIA RESPONSE AND

EVEN A RESPONSE FROM THE

NAACP.

ARE YOU GETTING THE SAME

KIND OF OPPOSITION?

YES.

WE ARE IN DIALOGUE WITH THE

HEAD OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD

HERE IN LOS ANGELES, WHEN WE

DID RYAN'S

toomanyaborted.com Billboard

campaign and the issues for

life CAMPAIGN.

WHEN THAT HIT LOS ANGELES,

THE HEADS OF PLANNED

PARENTHOOD RESPONDED, AND

THEY WERE VERY, VERY UPSET

WITH THE MESSAGE.

WE FEEL THE MESSAGE HAS GOT

TO BE COMMUNICATED TO OUR

COMMUNITY, TO THE INNER

CITY.

BECAUSE AT THE GRASSROOTS

LEVEL, IF WE STOP HAVING

BORTIONS, GET -- ABORTIONS,

GUESS WHAT?

WE WILL CLOSE EVERY ABORTION

CLINIC IN OUR COMMUNITY.

Gordon: YOU HAVE ALSO

WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED

"KEEPING YOU AND YOUR KIDS

SEXUALLY PURE."

IS THAT PART OF YOUR

CAMPAIGN?

"KEEPING YOU AND YOUR

KIDS SEXUALLY PURE," IS AS A

RESULT OF MY DISSERTATION

RESEARCH.

WHILE WE ARE ADDRESSING

PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND THE

FACILITIES IN OUR

NEIGHBORHOOD, PARENTS DON'T

UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON

IN OUR CHILDREN'S SCHOOLS.

SCHOOL-BASED CLINICS OPERATE

TO THE TUNE OF $90,000 TO

$300,000 A YEAR PRIMENARYLY

FOR SALARIES.

AND IN THESE SCHOOL-BASED

CLINICS, CHILDREN ARE

REMOVED OFF-CAMPUS, TAKEN

FOR ABORTIONS, AND BROUGHT

BACK TO SCHOOL BEFORE

3:00 P.M., AND THEY GO HOME

AND THEIR PARENTS HAD NO

IDEA THAT THEIR CHILD HAS

HAD MAJOR SURGERY.

THESE PROCEDURES ARE

PERFORMED ON OUR CHILDREN

WITHOUT PARENTAL

NOTIFICATION OR CONSENT.

MY BOOK FOCUSES ON THE

HISTORY OF PLANNED

PARENTHOOD IN AMERICA, OUR

GOVERNMENT'S INVOLVEMENT,

AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS

SCHOOL TO ALERT PARENTS, TO

MAKE THEM AWARE AND SO THEY

CAN BE PROACTIVE ON BEHALF

OF THEIR CHILDREN.

Gordon: THE BOOK IS

"KEEPING YOU AND YOUR KIDS

SEXUALLY PURE."

IT IS AVAILABLE IN

BOOKSTORES NATIONWIDE.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE

INFORMATION ON THE RADIANCE

FOUNDATION, YOU CAN GO TO

700clubinteractive.com AND

WE'LL HAVE THEIR SITE ALL

AVAILABLE FOR YOU.

DR. LAVERN, RYAN, BETHANY,

THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: I THINK THIS IS

A REAL CLARIANT CALL FOR THE

CHURCH TO GET INVOLVED.

AND ONE OF THE PRIME WAYS WE

CAN GET INVOLVED IN ABORTION

CLINICS.

WE NEED VIABLE ALTERNATIVES

THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE

WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN.

HERE IS A CLOSING STATEMENT

FROM JAMES: "PURE AND

GENUINE RELIGION MEANS FOR

CARING FOR ORPHANS AND

WIDOWS IN THEIR DISTRESS,

AND REFUSING TO LET THE

WORLD CORRUPT YOU."

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.